portions

[Guest guest]

I recently saw an excellent article; can't remember what magazine. It

had large pictures to demonstrate portion discrepancies. It showed a

latte in Italy which was about 4 ounces. The smallest latte at Starbucks

is 12 oz. Then it showed a fettucini plate from a typical American

restaurant. It was 3x bigger than one in Italy. It showed Mc's

fries. Other countries have actually refused super sizes; you can't get

them! Their largest order of fries was smaller than our small fries.

I also heard a great piece on NPR. It said that during the fast food

wars in the 80's, each chain was constantly trying to make more profits.

They realized that super sizing items cost them only a few pennies per

item, but they could charge the consumer 10, 20 cents, etc. Taco Bell

also found that when they introduced their 99 cent items, they found

customers would spend more money. It was pretty fascinating. We, the

unsuspecting public, are like the lab rats pressing the feeder pellets.

We seem to have no idea or choice in what we are doing. It's up to us to

educate ourselves and vote with our pocketbooks!

-Shaun

Re: Fat Loss and Alcohol

> I'm sure the fact that you were starving yourself and doing

excessive

> cardio had more to do with the fact that you lost weight than

> drinking alcohol did. Alcohol disrupts protein synthesis and is

> thereby responsible for muscle loss. This is not something

> prescription medications do. Alcohol also blocks the absorbtion of

> many nutrients; again, meds don't do this.

>

> The fact that French women drink more wine then American women but

> overall tend to weigh less has more to do with their portion sizes,

> which are a fraction of American sizes, than with their alcohol

> consumption. I lived in France for a while and can tell you that

> French women just naturally consume far fewer calories, wine and

all;

> they don't snack on crap all day long, they don't eat on the run,

> they don't eat on the street, they don't eat in their cars, and the

> LARGEST meal at Mc's in France is smaller than our *smallest*

> meal. There you have it--the French " paradox " isn't so paradoxial

at

> all.

>

> Finally, alcohol actually lowers your testesterone, which is used

for

> building muscle, and increases your estrogen, which is used for

> storing fat. Meds don't do this.

>

> It's quite simple really. You want to get LEAN (NOT skinny, but

> lean), don't drink.

>

> Dani

>

>As for French women, they also usually walk to market everyday for

fresh foods....lots of walking. Also isn't there more iodine in

their water???

Pat

[Guest guest]

Shaun,

Excellent point. I've read a couple of books that touch on this

subject, inc. " Fast Food Nation. " I lived in Europe for over a year

and have traveled there extensively on numerous occassions, and one

of the most striking things is the dearth (or absence, really) of

obese and/or overweight people. Just about everyone is trim.

I'm sure that as Europeans become more " Americanized, " the population

there will catch up to our growing obesity epidemic. But, as of

right now, their portions are significantly smaller. No one wants

the super size fries. People eat out much, much less, and there are

far fewer convenience (packaged) items. They also drink hardly any

soda and eat many more fruits/veggies. And, yes, people there walk

every where, all the time. Many people don't have cars. Drive-

through windows are non-existent. Very few people even think about

food or " diets " ; they eat to live, not live to eat.

Dani

> > I'm sure the fact that you were starving yourself and doing

> excessive

> > cardio had more to do with the fact that you lost weight than

> > drinking alcohol did. Alcohol disrupts protein synthesis and is

> > thereby responsible for muscle loss. This is not something

> > prescription medications do. Alcohol also blocks the absorbtion

of

> > many nutrients; again, meds don't do this.

> >

> > The fact that French women drink more wine then American women

but

> > overall tend to weigh less has more to do with their portion

sizes,

> > which are a fraction of American sizes, than with their alcohol

> > consumption. I lived in France for a while and can tell you that

> > French women just naturally consume far fewer calories, wine and

> all;

> > they don't snack on crap all day long, they don't eat on the run,

> > they don't eat on the street, they don't eat in their cars, and

the

> > LARGEST meal at Mc's in France is smaller than our

*smallest*

> > meal. There you have it--the French " paradox " isn't so

paradoxial

> at

> > all.

> >

> > Finally, alcohol actually lowers your testesterone, which is used

> for

> > building muscle, and increases your estrogen, which is used for

> > storing fat. Meds don't do this.

> >

> > It's quite simple really. You want to get LEAN (NOT skinny, but

> > lean), don't drink.

> >

> > Dani

> >

> >As for French women, they also usually walk to market everyday for

> fresh foods....lots of walking. Also isn't there more iodine in

> their water???

> Pat

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Right on - Mad Max

One pointer I give to people --- if the catagory of food (veges, meats, etc...)

has few to none HB's, like grains, then you should limit your intake of that

whole catagory. Lots of HB's , then you don't worry too much about how much.

KM

Maddviking@... wrote:

I've sat here on the sidelines and read post after post about the concern for

portions of fat vs protein vs carbs etc etc. For me, I don't worry about too

much fat or too much protein but I do worry about too many carbs. It is hard

to eat the required weight to gram ratio daily amount of proteins and fat

required, especially if you're overweight, so eating too much protein is just

out

of the question. I don't eat in portions, I eat until I'm full and then

stop. High protein and fat eaters don't have the appetites that carb eaters do

(betcha can't eat just one...). A type O on the BTD should never walk away from

the table hungry. The fat that I eat is my fuel and my body will expel what

it doesn't use along with unused protein. Overloading on carbs will not only

make me sick but my body will store it as fat. After you have been on the

diet for a while, you'll detox and get your body back to where it is supposed to

be and you'll be able to sense whether eating extra eggs is a problem or not

for you. ly, besides red meat, eggs are one of the staples to my diet

(cholesterol 122--gee, I guess the doctors were wrong about eggs too). They're

quick, easy, and taste good.

If you follow the diet, you can eat as much of the HBs as you want and the

portions will take care of themselves, believe me, just don't overload on

neutrals like EZ bread. Do what you will that makes you feel comfortable but

the

fine tuning isn't in measuring portions but in leaning toward the foods that

invigorate you. In time, your body will tell you.

[Guest guest]

It's one palm/fist sized portion for protein and one for carbs. So, a chicken

breast the size of your palm and a corn and bean combo the size of your fist.

You can have as many authorized veggies as you want so don't worry about the

tomato and broccoli.

portions

Okay so I make things so much harder then they are! But ladies to tell me

this please. When I use the palm fist method, do I use it on EACH item or the

meal? For instance tonight I had 4 oz. of chicken tenderloin, 1/2 cup chili

beans, 1/2 cup corn, 1/2 cup diced tomatoes, and a handful of brocolli, this was

all mixed up and cooked together, Now was I suppose to eat that mixture as the

size of my fist or each item?

Thanks!

[Guest guest]

if i'm filled to that perfect level, what is the amount of food i should be

eating at each

meal? AND....... how do I get solid proteins as a vegetarian?

[Guest guest]

On 9/1/2010 10:42 AM, labillsy wrote:

> Did you know a tablespoon of peanut butter, isn't much peanut butter?

Oh, don't I know it! I no longer spread it on bread when I allow

myself to eat some but add it to my morning oatmeal. That little bit

goes a lot further because the heat of the oatmeal melts it so it

infuses with the whole bowl of oats.

> Now I need to go shopping and buy a food scale.

Have you seen this one:

http://www.amazon.com/EatSmart-Digital-Nutrition-Scale-Professional/dp/B0013IDHTO/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8 & s=home-garden & qid=1283807578 & sr=8-14

It not only weighs your food but has a built in database to tell you

the exact number of calories and other nutritional info. I've seen

it in Bed, Bath, Beyond for the same price, but just use one of

those 20% off coupons to get it for less.

Sue in NJ

[Guest guest]

From an early point we use hunger/fullness scales, discuss slow eating and talk about differences in portions of watery foods like vegetables vs dense foods like meats.  I use food models to give them estimates but I have NEVER told patient in 7 years that they need a specific amount like ½ cup, when this advice was given by MD’s I found patients just felt wrong when they were unable to sustain that amount.   Some people need months of reassurance but eventually they learn to trust their bodies.  I believe that even if it takes time less specific portion advise and more emphasis on diet balance, quality and listening to signs of fullness makes it work in the long-term.  Just my 2 cents.  From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of AbbySent: Friday, December 30, 2011 8:19 AM Subject: portions I find that many patients get caught up in staying with 1/2 to 1 cup portions as a rule of thumb, but fail to recognize hunger and fullness. I focus more on listening to their bodies and helping them become aware of what their bodies are telling them while continuing to eat off a small plate. Does anyone have any input on what they practice with patients or talk about regarding portions in support groups or follow up visits? I have some patients that get very upset when I explain to them that there is no exact amount to be eating after surgery, but to stay around 1/2 - 1 1/2 cup portions.

[Guest guest]

Thank you – I completely agree!-

Abby

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Olson Diane L

Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 1:11 PM

Subject: RE: portions

amen!!

Diane Olson MS RD CDE

UW

Health Bariatric Surgery Program

University of Wisconsin Hospital and Clinics

(608) 265-1718

dolson3@...

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Laschkwitsch, :LPH Weight Management Institute

Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 11:47 AM

Subject: RE: portions

From an early point we use hunger/fullness scales, discuss slow eating and talk about differences in portions of watery foods like vegetables

vs dense foods like meats. I use food models to give them estimates but I have NEVER told patient in 7 years that they need a specific amount like ½ cup, when this advice was given by MD’s I found patients just felt wrong when they were unable to sustain

that amount. Some people need months of reassurance but eventually they learn to trust their bodies. I believe that even if it takes time less specific portion advise and more emphasis on diet balance, quality and listening to signs of fullness makes it

work in the long-term. Just my 2 cents.

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Abby

Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 8:19 AM

Subject: portions

I find that many patients get caught up in staying with 1/2 to 1 cup portions as a rule of thumb, but fail to recognize hunger and fullness. I focus more on listening to their bodies and helping them become aware of what their bodies are telling them while

continuing to eat off a small plate.

Does anyone have any input on what they practice with patients or talk about regarding portions in support groups or follow up visits? I have some patients that get very upset when I explain to them that there is no exact amount to be eating after surgery,

but to stay around 1/2 - 1 1/2 cup portions.