Re: Bioidentical Estrogen and Hormones

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I have seen using adequate amounts of natural> progesterone bring estrogen levels in balance. Most women are estrogen> dominant because of synthetic hormones in food, the chemicals in personal> care products (the average person uses between 8-16 personal care products> daily), the environment and the plastics that our society loves the> convenience of.

--------> A lot of my problems that the

popular literature says are signs of estrogen dominance have gone away

with the higher doses of iodine, a small amount of estradiol

replacement.

(sore breasts, PMS, luteal phase headaches) and a mostly paleo diet (no grains and lowered amounts of raw dairy).

A few years ago I worked with a couple of doctors treating

my problems as if it was estrogen dominance. That only made it

worse. I had horribe headaches at work every afternoon, could not

sleep, and incrediably sore breasts for 2 weeks every month.

About 1 1/2 years ago I got on estradiol and then iodine last

fall. I'm seeing steady improvements in my health. I teach

high school and sure couldn't have continued the way I felt 2 years ago.

Lynn

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> > (sore breasts, PMS, luteal phase headaches)

For clarity...these symptoms are now gone and

were fairly horrible....I'm typing too fast as I'm headed out of town

in a few hours.

Bye

Lynn

>

[Guest guest]

Interesting how for Lynn it was just progesterone but iodine treatment

has helped in every situation....along with helping the thyroid and

doing the cleanses.

K xo

Lynn wrote:

I have seen using adequate amounts of natural

> progesterone bring estrogen levels in balance. Most women are

estrogen

> dominant because of synthetic hormones in food, the chemicals in

personal

> care products (the average person uses between 8-16 personal care

products

> daily), the environment and the plastics that our society loves the

> convenience of.

--------> A lot of my problems that the

popular literature says are signs of estrogen dominance have gone away

with the higher doses of iodine, a small amount of estradiol

replacement.

(sore breasts, PMS, luteal phase headaches) and a mostly paleo diet

(no grains and lowered amounts of raw dairy).

A few years ago I worked with a couple of doctors treating

my problems as if it was estrogen dominance. That only made it

worse. I had horribe headaches at work every afternoon, could not

sleep, and incrediably sore breasts for 2 weeks every month.

About 1 1/2 years ago I got on estradiol and then iodine last

fall. I'm seeing steady improvements in my health. I teach

high school and sure couldn't have continued the way I felt 2 years ago.

Lynn

[Guest guest]

Sorry, meant to forward this on to my mother who is having unusual

problems and has low thyroid...as I have been telling her for a year or

more..... her ND has her on the cleanses.

I am encouraging her to get her hormones tested.

She is also on the paleo diet but feeling a real drag in her energy.

It is quite a puzzle.

& Terry Reid wrote:

Interesting how for Lynn it was just progesterone but iodine

treatment

has helped in every situation....along with helping the thyroid and

doing the cleanses.

K xo

Lynn wrote:

I have seen using adequate amounts of natural

> progesterone bring estrogen levels in balance. Most women are

estrogen

> dominant because of synthetic hormones in food, the chemicals in

personal

> care products (the average person uses between 8-16 personal care

products

> daily), the environment and the plastics that our society loves the

> convenience of.

--------> A lot of my problems that the

popular literature says are signs of estrogen dominance have gone away

with the higher doses of iodine, a small amount of estradiol

replacement.

(sore breasts, PMS, luteal phase headaches) and a mostly paleo diet

(no grains and lowered amounts of raw dairy).

A few years ago I worked with a couple of doctors treating

my problems as if it was estrogen dominance. That only made it

worse. I had horribe headaches at work every afternoon, could not

sleep, and incrediably sore breasts for 2 weeks every month.

About 1 1/2 years ago I got on estradiol and then iodine last

fall. I'm seeing steady improvements in my health. I teach

high school and sure couldn't have continued the way I felt 2 years ago.

Lynn

[Guest guest]

> Interesting how for Lynn it was just progesterone but iodine treatment

> has helped in every situation....along with helping the thyroid and

> doing the cleanses.

>

> K xo

------> Actually the first comment is from Loretta Lanphier's post.

Mine are below hers in red with the ----->.

I only use progesterone in the final part of my cycle. I use estrogen

all month.

I did some cleanses a few years ago but didn't see much difference

that held for very long. Still had hot flashes and felt crummy. But

I'll probably do cleanses again in the near future. Right this moment

I'm doing quite well so I'm leaving well enough alone.

I'm going to retest my iodine levels in another month. When I tested

last Dec. I was at 70% loaded so I've been varying my intake from 12.5

to 25 mgs a day. That's probably been the best thing for my

breasts...starting estradiol relieved some of the monthly swelling and

pain but not all. So far upping my iodine is helping the rest

(although I've had some minor bouts with it through a few cycles but

it's no longer a regular deal)

Lynn

>

> Lynn wrote:

>

> > I have seen using adequate amounts of natural

> > > progesterone bring estrogen levels in balance. Most women are

estrogen

> > > dominant because of synthetic hormones in food, the chemicals in

> > personal

> > > care products (the average person uses between 8-16 personal care

> > products

> > > daily), the environment and the plastics that our society loves the

> > > convenience of.

> >

> > --------> A lot of my problems that the popular literature says are

> > signs of estrogen dominance have gone away with the higher doses of

> > iodine, a small amount of estradiol replacement.

> > (sore breasts, PMS, luteal phase headaches) and a mostly paleo diet

> > (no grains and lowered amounts of raw dairy).

> >

> > A few years ago I worked with a couple of doctors treating my

> > problems as if it was estrogen dominance. That only made it worse. I

> > had horribe headaches at work every afternoon, could not sleep, and

> > incrediably sore breasts for 2 weeks every month.

> >

> > About 1 1/2 years ago I got on estradiol and then iodine last fall.

> > I'm seeing steady improvements in my health. I teach high school and

> > sure couldn't have continued the way I felt 2 years ago.

> >

> > Lynn

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> Sorry, meant to forward this on to my mother who is having unusual

> problems and has low thyroid...as I have been telling her for a year or

> more..... her ND has her on the cleanses.

> I am encouraging her to get her hormones tested.

> She is also on the paleo diet but feeling a real drag in her energy.

>

> It is quite a puzzle.

-----> Hi ,

How old is your mom? I'm 52 so my hormones are in flux for sure.

Simply treating my thyroid didn't make a bit of difference. I had to

also get my other hormone levels up, get off too many carbs (getting

off ALL gluten made a huge difference in my ability to digest and my

acid reflux), add in liver, heart and cod liver oil, and make sure I'm

getting enough iodine plus other trace minerals.

Getting trace minerals in can be next to impossible since they often

aren't in our vegetables anymore and digestive problems will cause

what's there to pass right through.

I believe that was happening with me until I started healing my gut

from the gluten exposures.

One big change is that for the first time in years my appetite is now

under control. I can space my meals out so that I'm eating around

every 4-6 hours instead of thinking food nonstop. I feel WAY better

doing this.

Lynn

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Lynn

Glad to

hear that what you are doing is working for you and that you have taken

responsibility for your health concerns.

We are all certainly different and what works for one may not work for

another. Having

said that, I offer the following for thought.

Estrogen

(synthetic and bioidentical) will alleviate many if not most pms and menopausal

symptoms and is the reason so many women got on it years ago---symptoms were

being relieved and it made them look and feel younger. However, the jury is still out about

bioidentical estrogen and whether or not it also can harm just like synthetic

estrogen---especially after years of use.

Most hormonal cancers in women are estrogen driven and estrogen causes

cells to divide rapidly. MD’s

(not all, but most) have been so indoctrinated about estrogen that they feel it

is the magic bullet for any hormonal concern and now the mantra is that “just

a little” will not hurt you or we will do this for only a while and

before you know it the patient gets relief and they hang on to the estrogen for

dear life. I would highly caution

anyone who is using estrogen to monitor their levels religiously and to only use

it for a very limited amount of time.

Another

reason of estrogen dominance that I failed to mention is that after menopause,

progesterone levels can fall very low while estrogen levels only fall to around

50%. This places the hormones

out-of-balance and changes the estrogen:progesterone ratio, causing estrogen to become toxic

without progesterone to balance it.

The side-effects

you describe in your experience with natural progesterone (assuming you were

using transdermal progesterone and not oral) sound like progestin side-effects. In fact, natural progesterone will

usually help relieve a headache and helps women to sleep better. It can also help with tender breasts. I don’t believe that natural

progesterone is a magic bullet or an end-all as some believe but I do believe

that it is

a much safer way of bringing the hormones into balance. For those that do experience

side-effects (which may occur as the body is trying to balance), they will

usually resolve after adjusting the dosage, making sure that you are compliant

with correct application and proper amounts, taking the required 7 day break

each month and using it for at least 3-6

months. The side effects

that you mention may also be from the natural progesterone having an effect on

the estrogen receptors. I tell women that no one ever died of a hot flash, etc.

but many women have died because of the cumulative effects of estrogen. As someone already mentioned, a good quality magnesium along with calcium usually helps

with headaches, sleeping, etc.

Lugols,

etc. is something that most women should be educated about and encouraged to

try as it seems that when concentrating on the thyroid that many hormonal

issues are relieved. I am enjoying

reading all the relief of health issues that people on this list are experiencing,

but my ears especially perk up when I read a testimony dealing with hormonal

issues being relieved.

I offer

the above for education only and am not trying to change anyone’s mind or

be confrontational. I do encourage

research, however. Taking responsibility for our health or lack of it is

usually the first step in getting well. Even if we find the best natural

practitioner/MD in the world, we will do ourselves a severe disservice if we do

not do our own research and educate ourselves.

Have a

great day, everyone!

Loretta

I have seen using

adequate amounts of natural

> progesterone bring estrogen levels in balance.

Most women are estrogen

> dominant because of synthetic hormones in food, the chemicals in personal

> care products (the average person uses between 8-16 personal care products

> daily), the environment and the plastics that our society loves the

> convenience of.

--------> A lot of my problems that

the popular literature says are signs of estrogen dominance have gone away with

the higher doses of iodine, a small amount of estradiol replacement.

(sore breasts, PMS, luteal phase headaches) and a mostly paleo diet (no

grains and lowered amounts of raw dairy).

A few years ago I worked with a couple of doctors treating my

problems as if it was estrogen dominance. That only made it worse. I had

horribe headaches at work every afternoon, could not sleep, and incrediably

sore breasts for 2 weeks every month.

About 1 1/2 years ago I got on estradiol and then iodine last fall.

I'm seeing steady improvements in my health. I teach high school and sure

couldn't have continued the way I felt 2 years ago.

Lynn

[Guest guest]

Loretta writes:

but many women have died because of the cumulative effects of estrogen. >>

Loretta, would you please give some documentation for this assertion?

Thank you,

Lynne

[Guest guest]

Dr. Loretta,

Thank you for your interesting thoughts. Are there any

drawbacks, in your opinion, to staying on natural progesterone

for a long time without taking Biest supplementation?

Thanks,

Karin

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-----Original Message-----From: iodine [mailto:iodine ]On Behalf Of Dr. Loretta LanphierSent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 2:06 PMiodine Subject: RE: Re: Bioidentical Estrogen and Hormones

Hi Lynn

Glad to hear that what you are doing is working for you and that you have taken responsibility for your health concerns. We are all certainly different and what works for one may not work for another. Having said that, I offer the following for thought.

Estrogen (synthetic and bioidentical) will alleviate many if not most pms and menopausal symptoms and is the reason so many women got on it years ago---symptoms were being relieved and it made them look and feel younger. However, the jury is still out about bioidentical estrogen and whether or not it also can harm just like synthetic estrogen---especially after years of use. Most hormonal cancers in women are estrogen driven and estrogen causes cells to divide rapidly. MD’s (not all, but most) have been so indoctrinated about estrogen that they feel it is the magic bullet for any hormonal concern and now the mantra is that “just a little” will not hurt you or we will do this for only a while and before you know it the patient gets relief and they hang on to the estrogen for dear life. I would highly caution anyone who is using estrogen to monitor their levels religiously and to only use it for a very limited amount of time.

Another reason of estrogen dominance that I failed to mention is that after menopause, progesterone levels can fall very low while estrogen levels only fall to around 50%. This places the hormones out-of-balance and changes the estrogen:progesterone ratio, causing estrogen to become toxic without progesterone to balance it.

The side-effects you describe in your experience with natural progesterone (assuming you were using transdermal progesterone and not oral) sound like progestin side-effects. In fact, natural progesterone will usually help relieve a headache and helps women to sleep better. It can also help with tender breasts. I don’t believe that natural progesterone is a magic bullet or an end-all as some believe but I do believe that it is a much safer way of bringing the hormones into balance. For those that do experience side-effects (which may occur as the body is trying to balance), they will usually resolve after adjusting the dosage, making sure that you are compliant with correct application and proper amounts, taking the required 7 day break each month and using it for at least 3-6 months. The side effects that you mention may also be from the natural progesterone having an effect on the estrogen receptors. I tell women that no one ever died of a hot flash, etc. but many women have died because of the cumulative effects of estrogen. As someone already mentioned, a good quality magnesium along with calcium usually helps with headaches, sleeping, etc.

Lugols, etc. is something that most women should be educated about and encouraged to try as it seems that when concentrating on the thyroid that many hormonal issues are relieved. I am enjoying reading all the relief of health issues that people on this list are experiencing, but my ears especially perk up when I read a testimony dealing with hormonal issues being relieved.

I offer the above for education only and am not trying to change anyone’s mind or be confrontational. I do encourage research, however. Taking responsibility for our health or lack of it is usually the first step in getting well. Even if we find the best natural practitioner/MD in the world, we will do ourselves a severe disservice if we do not do our own research and educate ourselves.

Have a great day, everyone!

Loretta

I have seen using adequate amounts of natural> progesterone bring estrogen levels in balance. Most women are estrogen> dominant because of synthetic hormones in food, the chemicals in personal> care products (the average person uses between 8-16 personal care products> daily), the environment and the plastics that our society loves the> convenience of. --------> A lot of my problems that the popular literature says are signs of estrogen dominance have gone away with the higher doses of iodine, a small amount of estradiol replacement.(sore breasts, PMS, luteal phase headaches) and a mostly paleo diet (no grains and lowered amounts of raw dairy). A few years ago I worked with a couple of doctors treating my problems as if it was estrogen dominance. That only made it worse. I had horribe headaches at work every afternoon, could not sleep, and incrediably sore breasts for 2 weeks every month. About 1 1/2 years ago I got on estradiol and then iodine last fall. I'm seeing steady improvements in my health. I teach high school and sure couldn't have continued the way I felt 2 years ago.Lynn

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Absolutely. You can also do a

search on the NIH Women’s Health Initiative.

I included info from government sites as

many people seem to believe studies and clinical trials to be the only

authority and also some info from some natural medicine sites.

http://www.cwhn.ca/resources/menopause/hrt-glance.html

http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/291/14/1769

http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/iyh-vsv/med/estrogen_e.html

http://www.mercola.com/2001/jul/4/hrt.htm

http://www.mercola.com/2000/apr/9/estrogen_heart_disease.htm

http://www.natural-progesterone-advisory-network.com/estrogen-dominance-linked-to-cancer.php

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/medmaster/a682922.html

http://www.all-natural.com/estrog-1.html

Loretta Lanphier

From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of Lynne234923@...

Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 5:32

PM

iodine

Subject: Re: Re:

Bioidentical Estrogen and Hormones

Loretta writes:

but many women have died because of the

cumulative effects of estrogen. >>

Loretta, would you please give some

documentation for this assertion?

Thank you,

Lynne

[Guest guest]

Thanks Lynn,

That is helpful.

I think part of her problem ( as well as mine and my boys') is that we

are all dealing with high mercury toxicity.

I'm seeing her today so will suggest iodide/iodine. We can't get

Lugol's or Iodorol here so I've ended up with a combination of

Potassium iodide and kelp....that may help her.

Funny thing, she is taking an adrenal, thyroid, pituitary glandular

from the ND but still not feeling well. I gave her 30mg of desiccated

thyroid to try daily for one week prior to this and she felt great.

Lynn wrote:

> Interesting how for Lynn it was just progesterone but iodine

treatment

> has helped in every situation....along with helping the

thyroid and

> doing the cleanses.

[Guest guest]

Lynn,

I am certain that she needs her hormones balanced. She is 61.

She is being treated for mercury toxicity at the moment so that will be

next. Although she is tired now, addressing what could be a main

culprit is a sound strategy.

She has needed BHRT but read so much about HRT that she has never taken

that road.

That is next!

10 years ago, her ND found that she wasn't digesting her starches so

she has basically stuck to low glycemic, gluten free foods. She is now

on the paleo diet to clean her out. I really think she needs iron so

she just got the Salus liquid supplement. I haven't talked to her in a

few days to see how she is but will see her tonight.

Thanks for sharing your experience.

Lynn wrote:

> Sorry, meant to forward this on to my mother who is having

unusual

> problems and has low thyroid...as I have been telling her for a

year or

> more..... her ND has her on the cleanses.

> I am encouraging her to get her hormones tested.

> She is also on the paleo diet but feeling a real drag in her

energy.

>

> It is quite a puzzle.

-----> Hi ,

How old is your mom? I'm 52 so my hormones are in flux for sure.

Simply treating my thyroid didn't make a bit of difference. I had to

also get my other hormone levels up, get off too many carbs (getting

off ALL gluten made a huge difference in my ability to digest and my

acid reflux), add in liver, heart and cod liver oil, and make sure I'm

getting enough iodine plus other trace minerals.

Getting trace minerals in can be next to impossible since they often

aren't in our vegetables anymore and digestive problems will cause

what's there to pass right through.

I believe that was happening with me until I started healing my gut

from the gluten exposures.

One big change is that for the first time in years my appetite is now

under control. I can space my meals out so that I'm eating around

every 4-6 hours instead of thinking food nonstop. I feel WAY better

doing this.

Lynn

..

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I must be doing it wrong. I take 1/8 teaspoon of .01% Estrace

(estradiol vaginal cream) and rub it on my wrists for the first 3 weeks

of the month.

At the same time, I rub 1/8 teaspoon of Pro-Gest by Emierita

(progesterone cream) split between each breast. Then I go off both for

a week.

I don't have the $125 to call Layna Berman of Your Own Health and

Fitness who gave me the procedure a couple of years ago over the phone.

I tried to take notes but know I wasn't right. Felt intimidated and

never have been able to know for sure.

Could this be part of the abdominal swelling I have?

On Jun 22, 2006, at 6:22 AM, Lynn wrote:

> I only use progesterone in the final part of my cycle. I use estrogen

> all month.

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