Re: Adding iodine, was: Loading Test

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> ----- writes:

> >>Don't want to increase thyroid meds if I'm going to add iodine. Don't

> want to take progesterone if I'm going to add iodine. Meantime, I'm

> feeling like crap & want to get out of the holding pattern!>>

>

> ,

> I missed the beginning of this thread....what is your thinking on

> thyroid/iodine/progesterone? Why do you think you are feeling like

crap?

>

> I'm also trying to take armour, iodoral, h.c. and progesterone. How are

> you thinking they interact?

>

Hi, Dahlia,

I'm feeling like crap for several reasons, all interrelated. I am

waiting to make changes based on the results of the 11-vial hormone

test from Diagnos-Techs and the iodine loading test.

1) adrenal fatigue - bad, cortisol number in Oct were 3, 3, 3, 1;

feeling much better on HC and beginning to get out & about a bit.

2) thyroid meds not optimized - on 3 grains nature-throid; still feel

" goiterish " from time to time

3) low progesterone - definitely contributing to #1, and probably

contributing to #2

So, that being said here is my thinking on thyroid/iodine/progesterone:

1) Progesterone

-low is obviously contributing to poor adrenal function, since

progesterone is a precursor to cortisol.

-when I recently supplemented with progesterone to stop bad menstrual

bleeding, I felt " hyper " like on too much thyroid meds. so I don't

want to increase thyroid meds if progesterone is low & needs to be

increased.

-adding progesterone to the mix will oppose estrogen that is presently

unopposed and binding thyroid, so again that would affect how much

thyroid meds I need.

2) Iodine

-If deficient, can obviously affect thyroid function & possibly amount

of meds needed, so again, I don't want to increase thyroid meds prior

to adding iodine.

-Have read on another forum that correcting iodine can increase

progesterone, so don't want to supplement progesterone until iodine is

added in.

3) Thyroid

-Still having a goiter feeling from time to time, so I suspect iodine

deficiency.

-See points 1 & 2 re: progesterone and iodine.

Dahlia, IMO, it's very important to add/remove one thing at a time, to

ensure that I know what's causing benefits or problems. Also

important that I've learned that some of these things affect the

other. Previously I had no idea. Nor do drs, unfortunately.

Warmly,

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-Hi ,

Please be aware that goiter comes with hypO or hypER thyroid... both

ways. Only way to know for sure what you have is FT4 and FT3 and

possibly a TSH. Adrenals should be maximized forst for OPTIMAL not

normal ranges. Depending on your thyroid panel, you probably need to

know where your antibodies are (if you have any) before taking iodine

so you can monitor progress either way once you start. Otherwise how

will you know if it is taking you for a ride or helping you?

Progesterone is a key, but further down the line. Sounds like you

have a lot of adjusting to do. Eat well and watch the supplements.

Also have your iron checked as that can cause lots of issues as well.

Also might want to make sure you're not insulin resistant which would

be common in your scenario. B's are also vital as are magnesium,

calcium, and selenium and D.

E (Ellen in Missouri)

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>

>

> >

> > ----- writes:

> > >>Don't want to increase thyroid meds if I'm going to add iodine.

Don't

> > want to take progesterone if I'm going to add iodine. Meantime, I'm

> > feeling like crap & want to get out of the holding pattern!>>

> >

> > ,

> > I missed the beginning of this thread....what is your thinking on

> > thyroid/iodine/progesterone? Why do you think you are feeling like

> crap?

> >

> > I'm also trying to take armour, iodoral, h.c. and progesterone.

How are

> > you thinking they interact?

> >

>

>

> Hi, Dahlia,

>

> I'm feeling like crap for several reasons, all interrelated. I am

> waiting to make changes based on the results of the 11-vial hormone

> test from Diagnos-Techs and the iodine loading test.

>

> 1) adrenal fatigue - bad, cortisol number in Oct were 3, 3, 3, 1;

> feeling much better on HC and beginning to get out & about a bit.

>

> 2) thyroid meds not optimized - on 3 grains nature-throid; still feel

> " goiterish " from time to time

>

> 3) low progesterone - definitely contributing to #1, and probably

> contributing to #2

>

> So, that being said here is my thinking on thyroid/iodine/progesterone:

>

> 1) Progesterone

>

> -low is obviously contributing to poor adrenal function, since

> progesterone is a precursor to cortisol.

>

> -when I recently supplemented with progesterone to stop bad menstrual

> bleeding, I felt " hyper " like on too much thyroid meds. so I don't

> want to increase thyroid meds if progesterone is low & needs to be

> increased.

>

> -adding progesterone to the mix will oppose estrogen that is presently

> unopposed and binding thyroid, so again that would affect how much

> thyroid meds I need.

>

> 2) Iodine

>

> -If deficient, can obviously affect thyroid function & possibly amount

> of meds needed, so again, I don't want to increase thyroid meds prior

> to adding iodine.

>

> -Have read on another forum that correcting iodine can increase

> progesterone, so don't want to supplement progesterone until iodine is

> added in.

>

> 3) Thyroid

>

> -Still having a goiter feeling from time to time, so I suspect iodine

> deficiency.

>

> -See points 1 & 2 re: progesterone and iodine.

>

> Dahlia, IMO, it's very important to add/remove one thing at a time, to

> ensure that I know what's causing benefits or problems. Also

> important that I've learned that some of these things affect the

> other. Previously I had no idea. Nor do drs, unfortunately.

>

> Warmly,

>

>

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>>I'm feeling like crap for several reasons, all interrelated. I amwaiting to make changes based on the results of the 11-vial hormonetest from Diagnos-Techs and the iodine loading test.1) adrenal fatigue - bad, cortisol number in Oct were 3, 3, 3, 1;feeling much better on HC and beginning to get out & about a bit.2) thyroid meds not optimized - on 3 grains nature-throid; still feel"goiterish" from time to time3) low progesterone - definitely contributing to #1, and probablycontributing to #2So, that being said here is my thinking on thyroid/iodine/progesterone:1) Progesterone-low is obviously contributing to poor adrenal function, sinceprogesterone is a precursor to cortisol.-when I recently supplemented with progesterone to stop bad menstrualbleeding, I felt "hyper" like on too much thyroid meds. so I don'twant to increase thyroid meds if progesterone is low & needs to beincreased.-adding progesterone to the mix will oppose estrogen that is presentlyunopposed and binding thyroid, so again that would affect how muchthyroid meds I need.2) Iodine-If deficient, can obviously affect thyroid function & possibly amountof meds needed, so again, I don't want to increase thyroid meds priorto adding iodine.-Have read on another forum that correcting iodine can increaseprogesterone, so don't want to supplement progesterone until iodine isadded in.3) Thyroid-Still having a goiter feeling from time to time, so I suspect iodinedeficiency.-See points 1 & 2 re: progesterone and iodine.Dahlia, IMO, it's very important to add/remove one thing at a time, toensure that I know what's causing benefits or problems. Alsoimportant that I've learned that some of these things affect theother. Previously I had no idea. Nor do drs, unfortunately.>>

,

Thanks for your complete reply, and candor too. I appreciate the complexities of what you're trying to do, and I agree that one thing at a time is the really smart way to go. I'm sorry to hear you are feeling like crap.

I had the impression you were doing really well. Hopefully, the testing will help you sort things out.

Seems like you're highlighting iodine and h.c., which makes a ton of sense, and will probably help you. Is Nature-thoid the same as Armour? Is it highly regulated in terms of potency, batch to batch?

One interesting discovery I recently made, which came as a big surprise (to me, anyway), was that I was actually using too much h.c., and I think it was slowing my recovery down. It's a long story, I can email you privately if you want to hear it, but I guess the point is, one thing at a time, for a long enough time, seems really crucial.

Dahlia

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HI ... I have a goiter .. I have low cortisol and pain in adrenals .. Get tired very quickly, have topo much estrogen too ..

Which do you think is the best to take first?

I also have rhuematoid arthritis and fibromyalgia, raynauds .. Al diagnosed.

I was taking a big dose of magnesium ...

Thanks

Bee

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>>I'm feeling like crap for several reasons, all interrelated. I amwaiting to make changes based on the results of the 11-vial hormonetest from Diagnos-Techs and the iodine loading test.1) adrenal fatigue - bad, cortisol number in Oct were 3, 3, 3, 1;feeling much better on HC and beginning to get out & about a bit.2) thyroid meds not optimized - on 3 grains nature-throid; still feel"goiterish" from time to time3) low progesterone - definitely contributing to #1, and probablycontributing to #2So, that being said here is my thinking on thyroid/iodine/progesterone:1) Progesterone-low is obviously contributing to poor adrenal function, sinceprogesterone is a precursor to cortisol.-when I recently supplemented with progesterone to stop bad menstrualbleeding, I felt "hyper" like on too much thyroid meds. so I don'twant to increase thyroid meds if progesterone is low & needs to beincreased.-adding progesterone to the mix will oppose estrogen that is presentlyunopposed and binding thyroid, so again that would affect how muchthyroid meds I need.2) Iodine-If deficient, can obviously affect thyroid function & possibly amountof meds needed, so again, I don't want to increase thyroid meds priorto adding iodine.-Have read on another forum that correcting iodine can increaseprogesterone, so don't want to supplement progesterone until iodine isadded in.3) Thyroid-Still having a goiter feeling from time to time, so I suspect iodinedeficiency.-See points 1 & 2 re: progesterone and iodine.Dahlia, IMO, it's very important to add/remove one thing at a time, toensure that I know what's causing benefits or problems. Alsoimportant that I've learned that some of these things affect theother. Previously I had no idea. Nor do drs, unfortunately.>>

,

Thanks for your complete reply, and candor too. I appreciate the complexities of what you're trying to do, and I agree that one thing at a time is the really smart way to go. I'm sorry to hear you are feeling like crap.

I had the impression you were doing really well. Hopefully, the testing will help you sort things out.

Seems like you're highlighting iodine and h.c., which makes a ton of sense, and will probably help you. Is Nature-thoid the same as Armour? Is it highly regulated in terms of potency, batch to batch?

One interesting discovery I recently made, which came as a big surprise (to me, anyway), was that I was actually using too much h.c., and I think it was slowing my recovery down. It's a long story, I can email you privately if you want to hear it, but I guess the point is, one thing at a time, for a long enough time, seems really crucial.

Dahlia

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>

> -Hi ,

>

> Please be aware that goiter comes with hypO or hypER thyroid... both

> ways. Only way to know for sure what you have is FT4 and FT3 and

> possibly a TSH.

Oh, don't worry...I have all of that. I'm an old hat now with thyroid

& adrenals. All low, even on 3 grains of Naturethroid.

Adrenals should be maximized forst for OPTIMAL not

> normal ranges.

Currently on Cortef.

Two years ago when dx'd hypo, my endo didn't look at this. Guess he

sneezed or something during the 2 seconds that they reviewed that in

med school.

Depending on your thyroid panel, you probably need to

> know where your antibodies are (if you have any) before taking iodine

> so you can monitor progress either way once you start. Otherwise how

> will you know if it is taking you for a ride or helping you?

I do know that as well. TPO neg. TgAB positive but lowered over the

past 6 months.

> Progesterone is a key, but further down the line.

Not too far, though, if you have virtually none at age 39...

Sounds like you

> have a lot of adjusting to do.

Oh yeah!

Eat well and watch the supplements.

> Also have your iron checked as that can cause lots of issues as well.

Iron has been checked & is good.

> Also might want to make sure you're not insulin resistant which would

> be common in your scenario.

Well, SUPPOSEDLY I am, but all blood sugar issues have resolved on Cortef.

Thanks for your input, Ellen.

Warmly,

[Guest guest]

I'm sorry to hear you are feeling

> like crap.

> I had the impression you were doing really well. Hopefully, the testing

> will help you sort things out.

Thanks for your concern, Dahlia. I am DEFINITELY feeling better than

previously, that's for sure! But still not back to my old self,

whoever that was!

>Is Nature-thoid the same as Armour?

> Is it highly regulated in terms of potency, batch to batch?

Yes & yes. Nature-throid is by Western Labs, and they've NEVER had a

recall.

>

> One interesting discovery I recently made, which came as a big surprise

> (to me, anyway), was that I was actually using too much h.c., and I

think

> it was slowing my recovery down. It's a long story, I can email you

> privately if you want to hear it

Please do e-mail me with that info. Thanks!

[Guest guest]

>

> HI ... I have a goiter .. I have low cortisol and pain in adrenals

... Get

> tired very quickly, have topo much estrogen too ..

>

> Which do you think is the best to take first?

>

> I also have rhuematoid arthritis and fibromyalgia, raynauds .. Al

diagnosed.

>

> I was taking a big dose of magnesium ...

>

> Thanks

>

> Bee

>

Hi, Bee,

I think it's MOST important to get tested first...have you done saliva

testing?

Assuming that you need HC, I would start that first then see how

things go. Proper saliva testing will give you a good idea of what to

address next.

You have fibro...have you been dx'd with hypothyroid as well?

Warmly,

[Guest guest]

IMO you would likely have an easier time if you took HC 5mg 4X a day (last dose at bedtime).

I have taken 50mg Iodoral/day for almost a year. I also use 250mg progesterone every day, and am not able to lower progesterone. I have not been aole to lower my hormones on Iodoral.

Gracia

---> > Hi, Dahlia,I'm feeling like crap for several reasons, all interrelated. I amwaiting to make changes based on the results of the 11-vial hormonetest from Diagnos-Techs and the iodine loading test.1) adrenal fatigue - bad, cortisol number in Oct were 3, 3, 3, 1;feeling much better on HC and beginning to get out & about a bit.2) thyroid meds not optimized - on 3 grains nature-throid; still feel"goiterish" from time to time3) low progesterone - definitely contributing to #1, and probablycontributing to #2So, that being said here is my thinking on thyroid/iodine/progesterone:1) Progesterone-low is obviously contributing to poor adrenal function, sinceprogesterone is a precursor to cortisol.-when I recently supplemented with progesterone to stop bad menstrualbleeding, I felt "hyper" like on too much thyroid meds. so I don'twant to increase thyroid meds if progesterone is low & needs to beincreased.-adding progesterone to the mix will oppose estrogen that is presentlyunopposed and binding thyroid, so again that would affect how muchthyroid meds I need.2) Iodine-If deficient, can obviously affect thyroid function & possibly amountof meds needed, so again, I don't want to increase thyroid meds priorto adding iodine.-Have read on another forum that correcting iodine can increaseprogesterone, so don't want to supplement progesterone until iodine isadded in.3) Thyroid-Still having a goiter feeling from time to time, so I suspect iodinedeficiency.-See points 1 & 2 re: progesterone and iodine.Dahlia, IMO, it's very important to add/remove one thing at a time, toensure that I know what's causing benefits or problems. Alsoimportant that I've learned that some of these things affect theother. Previously I had no idea. Nor do drs, unfortunately.Warmly,

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I'm sorry to hear you are feeling> like crap.> I had the impression you were doing really well. Hopefully, the testing> will help you sort things out. Thanks for your concern, Dahlia. I am DEFINITELY feeling better thanpreviously, that's for sure! But still not back to my old self,whoever that was!>Is Nature-thoid the same as Armour? > Is it highly regulated in terms of potency, batch to batch?Yes & yes. Nature-throid is by Western Labs, and they've NEVER had arecall.> > One interesting discovery I recently made, which came as a big surprise> (to me, anyway), was that I was actually using too much h.c., and Ithink> it was slowing my recovery down. It's a long story, I can email you> privately if you want to hear itPlease do e-mail me with that info. Thanks!

Hi !

The weird thing I am finding is that the h.c. was definitely making me tired--I had tried to lower my dose, and felt more energetic, like the hc was suppressing my adrenals. But then everything started going loopy and I decided to return to a strict, regular dosing of h.c. like this: 10, 7.5,5,2.5. After a few days, I was so sleepy I could barely stand it. NEver felt like that. Thought, well, h.c. is making me need more armour. I posted to Val and she suggested, oh I forget now, but to definitely cut back on Iodoral. I did that, and it helped, and also cut back on h.c. to this: 7.5, 5, 5, 2.5. My temps are improving and yesterday I felt like a real person.

I take h.c., armour and iodoral all together twice a day, 8 hours apart. And I take my h.c. alone twice a day. So I'm basically swallowing something 4 times a day like this: a.m.: 7.5 h.c., 45 armour, 1 1/2 iodoral. 4 hours later, 5 mg h.c., +4 hrs repeat of 1 and +4 hours, 2.5 h.c. You posted once on how taking them together or separate--can't remember, think I'm having symptoms??!--made a big diff and I started to experiment, and found that is a big factor. When I took my armour first, I never had any energy.

Of course, this is only a couple of days, and we all know nothing can be proven in a few days. But I plan on trying to keep steady on 20 mg of h.c. and 37.5 iodoral and 45 armour.

What are you currently taking? Why do you prefer nature-throid rather than armour, just curious?

Also what supplements are you taking? I just cut way back on the tons of minerals, inc. mag, I was taking.

I like your posts,

Dahlia

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>I take h.c., armour and iodoral all together twice a day

I take iodine in the evening because it tends to make me a little tired /

relaxed.

Skipper

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Dahlia

I am glad you are finding this regimen successful but it makes no sense to me! Iodoral is one of the most important things you can take. I would think you would want to continue on 50mg Iodoral and do cortef 5mg 4X a day. It is so important to take HC 4X a day, not 2X a day. You also probly need more Armour if you are so sleepy.

Gracia

Hi !

The weird thing I am finding is that the h.c. was definitely making me tired--I had tried to lower my dose, and felt more energetic, like the hc was suppressing my adrenals. But then everything started going loopy and I decided to return to a strict, regular dosing of h.c. like this: 10, 7.5,5,2.5. After a few days, I was so sleepy I could barely stand it. NEver felt like that. Thought, well, h.c. is making me need more armour. I posted to Val and she suggested, oh I forget now, but to definitely cut back on Iodoral. I did that, and it helped, and also cut back on h.c. to this: 7.5, 5, 5, 2.5. My temps are improving and yesterday I felt like a real person.

I take h.c., armour and iodoral all together twice a day, 8 hours apart. And I take my h.c. alone twice a day. So I'm basically swallowing something 4 times a day like this: a.m.: 7.5 h.c., 45 armour, 1 1/2 iodoral. 4 hours later, 5 mg h.c., +4 hrs repeat of 1 and +4 hours, 2.5 h.c. You posted once on how taking them together or separate--can't remember, think I'm having symptoms??!--made a big diff and I started to experiment, and found that is a big factor. When I took my armour first, I never had any energy.

Of course, this is only a couple of days, and we all know nothing can be proven in a few days. But I plan on trying to keep steady on 20 mg of h.c. and 37.5 iodoral and 45 armour.

What are you currently taking? Why do you prefer nature-throid rather than armour, just curious?

Also what supplements are you taking? I just cut way back on the tons of minerals, inc. mag, I was taking.

I like your posts,

Dahlia

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Probably by allowing magnesium into your depleted cells.

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> >From: srapp785@...

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> >

> >I take h.c., armour and iodoral all together twice a day

>

> I take iodine in the evening because it tends to make me a little tired /

> relaxed.

>

> Skipper

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>>Please do e-mail me with that info. Thanks!>...

sorry, folks, this email was supposed to go private, to .

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from Gracia:

>I am glad you are finding this regimen successful but it makes no sense to me! Iodoral is one of the most >important things you can take. I would think you would want to continue on 50mg Iodoral and do cortef >5mg 4X a day. It is so important to take HC 4X a day, not 2X a day. You also probly need more Armour >if you are so sleepy.

Hi Gracia,

I think I might not have been clear: I am taking hc 4x/day and armour/iodoral 2x/day..Twice those doses intersect. I plan on switching my hc dosing to 5mg 4x a day, as the other dosing isn't working for me. I do plan on upping the Armour when my temps steady out, which they don't seem to do. Decreasing the h.c. seems to give me more energy, so perhaps it is suppressing my own adrenals. And I want to wait another week or so to add the 4th Iodoral, as I think it makes me slightly hyperT. Does this make sense to you?

Thanks for your always valuable input.

Dahlia

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>Probably by allowing magnesium into your depleted cells.

Then at least I seem to have plenty of magnesium to go into those cells :

)

I wonder why it waits until I take my nightly dose of Lugol's.

Skipper

>

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> > >I take h.c., armour and iodoral all together twice a day

> >

> > I take iodine in the evening because it tends to make me a little tired

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