hyperT and copper deficiency

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The other day, someone mentioned a relationship between copper deficiency and hyperthyroidism (boy, and what timing for me!!!). My thyroid has been overworking lately (without any iodine or Armour), and I have been supplementing with zinc for many months, which I know drives down copper levels.

I see a small study talked about online involving hyperthyroid women with low copper levels, but I can't find the reference for it. I would like to bring it in to my doctor. Has anyone seen this article or know what journal it is in?

Also, RBC minerals from Genova is the test I want, right? It is better than serum copper or ceruloplasmin, from what I am understanding. Does that sound right?

Thanks,

Olif

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I know www.ithyroid.com has a discussion about copper levels and hyperthyroidism, and I think this might be the site someone referred to.

Lynn.

I see a small study talked about online involving hyperthyroid women with low copper levels, but I can't find the reference for it. I would like to bring it in to my doctor. Has anyone seen this article or know what journal it is in?

Thanks,

Olif

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Lynn:

"I know www.ithyroid.com has a discussion about copper levels and hyperthyroidism, and I think this might be the site someone referred to."

Thanks, Lynn. I have found that site, but I am wondering where he is getting his info. Does anyone know if this is a good site? I would just like more info to go on, like studies that show a possible link between copper deficiency and hyperthyroidism.

I just realized that Shomon has a book on hyperthyroidism, so I am ordering it interlibrary loan.

Thanks,

Olif

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What is interesting about this is that I am a bit hypothyroid and my copper levels (as measured by hair test) are off the charts. I have been detoxing on this for about a year and will get retested soon. Mild hypothyroid problems seem to be clearing up with the iodine supplementation of 50 mg per day.

Karima

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Lynn:

"The interpretation depends on the specific mineral, but if a hair test shows a mineral level off the chart, it may mean the body is not able to metabolize it and therefore just excretes it into the hair."

I believe this is true for zinc, magnesium, and calcium. I have not read it is the case with copper. High hair copper is probably high copper.

-Olif

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"It was mentioned by one of the Dr's at the Iodine conference as a good reference."

Thanks, Steph!

I started supplementing with copper on Tues. By Wed. afternoon I started feeling a little better. I am definitely feeling better today!

Now I have to decide if I am going to go by symptoms or take the expensive RBC elements test that I am not sure I will get reimbursed for...

Is there a way to contact the person who owns ithyroid? It looks like they have a forum, but I don't think it is working.

-Olif

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Lynn:

“Re: hyperT and copper deficiencyIt can be a little tricky interpreting mineral hair test levels and extrapolating that to bioavailable levels of those minerals. The interpretation depends on the specific mineral, but if a hair test shows a mineral level off the chart, it may mean the body is not able to metabolize it and therefore just excretes it into the hair.

My calcium levels are very high on my hair tests, but several expert interpretations say it's only because my body is not metabolizing properly, not because I'm high in calcium.”

I grew up with copper pipes and had a copper IUD in the 80’s, my health was never the same afterwards, prior to that I could not understand why so many women were complaining about their hormones. Afterward the IUD I was never the same.

Once I increased my copper antagonist supplements, I started having all the copper detox symptoms: itchy rash behind knee, etc. Then I realized what copper symptoms feel like, and the hair test results made sense given the symptoms. I was a bit more trusting of the test at that point. I will definitely go take another test of the same type to see what changes there have been in the past year. I agree that symptoms are more reliable than tests.

I got the same result on the calcium as you did and am experimenting with adding a bit more magnesium through diet. Am not as certain about the cal mag balance though, it is very tricky.

Don’t think I am hyper t, energy is not great a lot of the time and I take adrenals. Although it has been improving.

Thanks for sharing your knowledge. There is a lot to learn.

Karima

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> Re: hyperT and copper deficiencyKarima,

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> If you haven't done so, I recommend you read Dr. Larry 's

information on hair analysis and copper levels at:

> http://drlwilson.com/Articles/copper_toxicity_syndrome.htm. I would

be interested to know if his article rings true for you.

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> Also I saw this recommended elsewhere as a good reference about copper

physiology: http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?isbn=0309072794 & page=224

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> Lynn

Thanks yes i did read the Larry material and it totally fits,

spaced out feeling etc. The other article I will check out, the more

information the better. Hard part is determining when there is balance

again, particularly as I am detoxing so many things at once, bromine,

copper and god knows what else! But it does work, at it for a year and

feel much improved. Bromine detox symptoms are really decreasing a lot

recently, despite my continued high dose of Iodine.

Karima