Doctors vs. Gallblader - what is the problem with those doctors?

[Guest guest]

I have one 7mm gallstone...Does anyone have ever done a ultrason

before and after the flush to make sure the flush really works?

I found out about my gallstone after I have my baby. I had some upper

stomach pain during my pregnancy and it didn't go away after I had

the baby. I want another baby and I want to be sure I won't have an

attack while pregnant.

I consult with 4 different doctors.

The first one (the general doctor) told me I should have my

gallblader out. I never have an attack but have dull pains here and

there and they seems to be happen more and more often and the funny

thing is that they are on both sides...not only on the right where

the gallblader is. He said I have it removed while I am young.

My second doctor the surgeon told me to have it out. It sounds like

he was a sales person and he would recommend it to his own family. He

told me the flush doesn't work and could clog my bile ducts.

The third surgeon again tried to " sell me " a gallblader

removal...again I didn't buy it.

The last doctor (a gastro one). Told me that I shouldn't have a

surgery unless I have an attack. I really trusted this one...and

again I asked if the flush works. He told me there is no scientic

prove that it works.

Second question:

If it really works...why don't doctors recommend them????

[Guest guest]

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----- Original Message -----

From: meninala<mailto:meninala@...>

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Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 1:48 PM

Subject: Doctors vs. Gallblader - what is the problem with those

doctors?

I have one 7mm gallstone...Does anyone have ever done a ultrason

before and after the flush to make sure the flush really works?

I found out about my gallstone after I have my baby. I had some upper

stomach pain during my pregnancy and it didn't go away after I had

the baby. I want another baby and I want to be sure I won't have an

attack while pregnant.

I consult with 4 different doctors.

The first one (the general doctor) told me I should have my

gallblader out. I never have an attack but have dull pains here and

there and they seems to be happen more and more often and the funny

thing is that they are on both sides...not only on the right where

the gallblader is. He said I have it removed while I am young.

-Why

My second doctor the surgeon told me to have it out. It sounds like

he was a sales person and he would recommend it to his own family. He

told me the flush doesn't work and could clog my bile ducts.

- If the flush isn't effective, then there should be no concern about

clogging bile ducts.

The third surgeon again tried to " sell me " a gallblader

removal...again I didn't buy it.

-Guess I cannot talk you into either a set of encyclopedias or a new

vacuum either.

The last doctor (a gastro one). Told me that I shouldn't have a

surgery unless I have an attack. I really trusted this one...and

again I asked if the flush works. He told me there is no scientic

prove that it works.

-Great guy. What does scientific proof have to do with the efficacy of a

therapy that has never been subjected to scientific enquiry?

Second question:

If it really works...why don't doctors recommend them????

For all of the above reasons. -Dave

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[Guest guest]

I just want real answers for those two questions.

Has anyone ever done an ultrasound before and after

the flush to make sure the flush really works?

If it really works...why don't doctors recommend

them?

I know that there must be doctors that only want to

make money....but come on...there must be one that is

honest....and tell us the truth!!!

--- meninala <meninala@...> wrote:

> I have one 7mm gallstone...Does anyone have ever

> done a ultrason

> before and after the flush to make sure the flush

> really works?

>

> I found out about my gallstone after I have my baby.

> I had some upper

> stomach pain during my pregnancy and it didn't go

> away after I had

> the baby. I want another baby and I want to be sure

> I won't have an

> attack while pregnant.

>

> I consult with 4 different doctors.

>

> The first one (the general doctor) told me I should

> have my

> gallblader out. I never have an attack but have dull

> pains here and

> there and they seems to be happen more and more

> often and the funny

> thing is that they are on both sides...not only on

> the right where

> the gallblader is. He said I have it removed while I

> am young.

>

> My second doctor the surgeon told me to have it out.

> It sounds like

> he was a sales person and he would recommend it to

> his own family. He

> told me the flush doesn't work and could clog my

> bile ducts.

>

> The third surgeon again tried to " sell me " a

> gallblader

> removal...again I didn't buy it.

>

> The last doctor (a gastro one). Told me that I

> shouldn't have a

> surgery unless I have an attack. I really trusted

> this one...and

> again I asked if the flush works. He told me there

> is no scientic

> prove that it works.

>

> Second question:

> If it really works...why don't doctors recommend

> them????

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

no but gallstones come out of my but enough proof for me

no bunnys or rabbits or anything magic

menina wrote:

> I just want real answers for those two questions.

>

> Has anyone ever done an ultrasound before and after

> the flush to make sure the flush really works?

>

> If it really works...why don't doctors recommend

> them?

>

> I know that there must be doctors that only want to

> make money....but come on...there must be one that is

> honest....and tell us the truth!!!

>

>

>

> --- meninala <meninala@...> wrote:

>

> > I have one 7mm gallstone...Does anyone have ever

> > done a ultrason

> > before and after the flush to make sure the flush

> > really works?

> >

> > I found out about my gallstone after I have my baby.

> > I had some upper

> > stomach pain during my pregnancy and it didn't go

> > away after I had

> > the baby. I want another baby and I want to be sure

> > I won't have an

> > attack while pregnant.

> >

> > I consult with 4 different doctors.

> >

> > The first one (the general doctor) told me I should

> > have my

> > gallblader out. I never have an attack but have dull

> > pains here and

> > there and they seems to be happen more and more

> > often and the funny

> > thing is that they are on both sides...not only on

> > the right where

> > the gallblader is. He said I have it removed while I

> > am young.

> >

> > My second doctor the surgeon told me to have it out.

> > It sounds like

> > he was a sales person and he would recommend it to

> > his own family. He

> > told me the flush doesn't work and could clog my

> > bile ducts.

> >

> > The third surgeon again tried to " sell me " a

> > gallblader

> > removal...again I didn't buy it.

> >

> > The last doctor (a gastro one). Told me that I

> > shouldn't have a

> > surgery unless I have an attack. I really trusted

> > this one...and

> > again I asked if the flush works. He told me there

> > is no scientic

> > prove that it works.

> >

> > Second question:

> > If it really works...why don't doctors recommend

> > them????

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

The reason why is because pharmaceutical companies can't patent olive oil or

epsom salts or grapefruits. They are only interested in their bottom line

(profit) and most studies are funded by -- guess who? The pharmaceutical

giants.

You can find the most honest doctor in the world, but he can only state the

facts under the theories under which he has been educated. The flushes are

so way out of his or her paradigm that they won't even go there.

Lori

----- Original Message -----

From: " menina " <meninala@...>

<gallstones >

Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 8:50 PM

Subject: Re: Doctors vs. Gallblader - what is the problem with

those doctors?

> If it really works...why don't doctors recommend

> them?

[Guest guest]

I have had 2 ultrasounds for gallstones, the first over 10 years ago

the second recently, both showed large stones, after flushing on both

occasions I could identify the stones that showed up in the ultrasound.

To answer your question I have only had the " before " , not " after "

ultrasounds, because I felt I had the evidence, and didn't want to

expose my body to more ultrasounds. I did experience a big improvement

in my health and am satisified I flushed out the offending stones.

After the recent flush I thought about taking the stones into the

hospital, just to show the doctors that told me it was impossible for

olive oil to move them, how quickly they can be passed. But then I

remembered their attitude and decided it would probably be a waste of

time, they really were only interested in surgical removals.

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I have one 7mm gallstone...Does anyone have ever done a ultrason

> before and after the flush to make sure the flush really works?

> >

I had an ultrasound done about a month ago, and my dr gave me the

paperwork to have another one done later this month. I'll have two

flushes under my belt by then. I'll definitely post the results here

when I get them. One thing to keep in mind is that I wasn't

diagnosed with " gall stones. " I was diagnosed with " sludge in the

gallbladder and fatty infiltration in the liver. " I'm guessing that

the " sludge " (described by my dr as something that could turn into

gallstones in the future) are probably soft stones that weren't easy

to see on the u/s.

> Second question:

> If it really works...why don't doctors recommend them????

>

Doctors can't tell you what they don't know. Most of them honestly

care about helping people, or at least they did when they first

entered the medical field. The problem is that doctors receive years

of instruction on surgury and drugs, and very little on nutrition

and herbs and natural healing. They're constantly getting more

information from the pHARMaceutical companies that sell both drugs

and surgical equipment. I'm sure that many of the people who work

for the pHARMa companies also mean well, but the ones who make the

top decisions put profit ahead of people.