Re: iodine in thyroid as a blood disinfectant ??? -- an Iodine Myth

[Guest guest]

I've checked with Kessler and several other sources and concluded that Jarvis

was mistaken.

There is absolutely no evidence that the iodine in the thyroid serves as a blood

disinfectant.

It is not consistent with what is known about physiology or biochemistry.

Thus, this belief belongs in the category of IODINE MYTH.

Zoe

Here is the quote by Jarvis that is being referred to. I have written to

Kessler to ask if there is any validity in this.

" All the blood in the body passes through the thyroid gland every 17 minutes.

Because the cells making up this gland have an affinity for iodine, during this

17-minute passage the gland's secretion of iodine kills weak germs that may

have gained entry into the blood through an injury to the skin, the lining of

nose or throat, or through absorption of food from the digestive tract. Strong,

virulent germs are rendered weaker during their passage through the thyroid

gland. With each 17 minutes that rolls around they are made still weaker until

finally they are killed if the gland has its normal supply of iodine. If it does

not, it cannot kill harmful germs circulating in the blood as Nature intended it

should. " http://www.jcrow.com/iodine.html

Zoe

[Guest guest]

Thanks for checking this out Zoe. I wonder what basis Jarvis had for making

those statements. Actually, it's good news for me that this is a myth.

Since I don't have a thyroid due to congenital misdevelopment, I thought

I've been missing out on the germ-killing function. And since I've rarely

had any viral or bacterial illnesses, that seemed anomalous.

Lynn

> I've checked with Kessler and several other sources and concluded that

Jarvis was mistaken.

>

> There is absolutely no evidence that the iodine in the thyroid serves as a

blood disinfectant.

>

> It is not consistent with what is known about physiology or biochemistry.

>

> Thus, this belief belongs in the category of IODINE MYTH.

>

> Zoe

>

>

> Here is the quote by Jarvis that is being referred to. I have written

to Kessler to ask if there is any validity in this.

>

> " All the blood in the body passes through the thyroid gland every 17

minutes. Because the cells making up this gland have an affinity for iodine,

during this 17-minute passage the gland's secretion of iodine kills weak

germs that may have gained entry into the blood through an injury to the

skin, the lining of nose or throat, or through absorption of food from the

digestive tract. Strong, virulent germs are rendered weaker during their

passage through the thyroid gland. With each 17 minutes that rolls around

they are made still weaker until finally they are killed if the gland has

its normal supply of iodine. If it does not, it cannot kill harmful germs

circulating in the blood as Nature intended it should. "

http://www.jcrow.com/iodine.html

>

> Zoe

[Guest guest]

>From: " Zoe & " <ZOEA@...>

>I've checked with Kessler and several other sources and concluded that

>Jarvis was mistaken.

>

>There is absolutely no evidence that the iodine in the thyroid serves as a

>blood disinfectant.

>

>It is not consistent with what is known about physiology or biochemistry.

>

>Thus, this belief belongs in the category of IODINE MYTH.

I'm not quite sure it's a myth yet.

After all, the thyroid gland is full of blood vessels. Look at this

http://www.besthealth.com/besthealth/bodyguide/reftext/html/endo_sys_fin.html

" The endocrine system is composed of glands that release their hormones

directly into the bloodstream for chemical signaling of target cells "

************************

It has access to the blood stream. It releases thyroid hormone into the

blood stream, which of course contains 4 or 3 molecules of iodine. Is

everyone sure it never releases simply iodine into the blood stream. It

wouldn't surprise me to find that along with the thyroid hormone some iodine

was released too.

Even if it does not release simple iodine into the blood stream, what

happens in the liver and in the organs that take a molecule away from

inactive T4 to make it into active T3? What happens to the molecule of

iodine that was removed? I never hear that. It may actually have a

purpose.

Skipper

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>From: " Lynn McGaha " <lmcgaha@...>

I thought

>I've been missing out on the germ-killing function. And since I've rarely

>had any viral or bacterial illnesses, that seemed anomalous.

I don't know if it has a germ killing function, but with low body temp

created by hypothyroidism infections aren't necessarily as obvious.

Sometimes people don't get " sick " because they're body doesn't have the

strength to fight the infection.

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[Guest guest]

The thyroid does release iodide (not iodine) into the blood stream. This is

especially true when there are high levels of iodide in the blood (e.g., from

supplementation). The thyroid may uptake more than it needs, and then it

releases the excess iodide back into the blood stream.

There is a beautiful study on rats that measured exactly what iodine forms were

in the blood before it entered the thyroid, and which ones were in the blood

after it was in the thyroid, given different levels of iodide supplementation.

However, the question in this myth is whether the iodide/iodine in the thyroid

serves as a DISINFECTANT for the blood. I don't think there is any evidence

that the iodide in the thyroid -- or in the blood--, per se, serves as a

disinfectant.

There is, however, some evidence that the immune system uses the iodide in its

phagocytosis process.

When the T4 is changed into T3, an iodide (not iodine) ion is released back into

the blood stream.

Eventually, the blood with the iodide is filtered by the kidneys and the iodide

may be excreted, or it may be returned to the blood to continue the cycle.

Iodine is the disinfectant form (there is one other form of iodine that acts as

a disinfectant, but I can't remember which one). Iodide per se does not act as

a disinfectant.

Zoe

>

>There is absolutely no evidence that the iodine in the thyroid serves as a

>blood disinfectant.

>

>It is not consistent with what is known about physiology or biochemistry.

>

>Thus, this belief belongs in the category of IODINE MYTH.

I'm not quite sure it's a myth yet.

After all, the thyroid gland is full of blood vessels. Look at this

http://www.besthealth.com/besthealth/bodyguide/reftext/html/endo_sys_fin.html

" The endocrine system is composed of glands that release their hormones

directly into the bloodstream for chemical signaling of target cells "

************************

It has access to the blood stream. It releases thyroid hormone into the

blood stream, which of course contains 4 or 3 molecules of iodine. Is

everyone sure it never releases simply iodine into the blood stream. It

wouldn't surprise me to find that along with the thyroid hormone some iodine

was released too.

Even if it does not release simple iodine into the blood stream, what

happens in the liver and in the organs that take a molecule away from

inactive T4 to make it into active T3? What happens to the molecule of

iodine that was removed? I never hear that. It may actually have a

purpose.

Skipper

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Iodine

[Guest guest]

I thought SSKI, which is used as a disinfectant, was just potassium

iodide? Or am I misunderstanding something? Sharon

> Iodine is the disinfectant form (there is one other form of iodine

that acts as a disinfectant, but I can't remember which one). Iodide

per se does not act as a disinfectant.

[Guest guest]

I don't really understand the real difference between iodine and iodide,

other than iodide joins with something else to make a new compound. I'm not

sure why this prohibits it from disinfecting.

This says, sodium iodide doesn't disinfect -

http://web.mit.edu/mitoc/www/activities/hiking/water.html

sodium iodide has no disinfectant activity,

But, this implies potassium iodide can -

http://wiretap.area.com/Gopher/Library/Article/Outdoors/watfilt.bc

disinfectant activity of iodide is not as readily affected as

chlorine by water pH or organic content

So, after one molecule of iodine is removed from T4, what iodine compound

does it become?

If the liver removes one molecule of iodine, does it become the same iodide

compound as if it were removed by the brain, or other organ that can

deiodinize?

Skipper

>From: " sharflin " <sharflin@...>

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>Subject: Re: iodine in thyroid as a blood disinfectant ??? -- an

>Iodine Myth

>Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 22:49:16 -0000

>

>I thought SSKI, which is used as a disinfectant, was just potassium

>iodide? Or am I misunderstanding something? Sharon

>

> > Iodine is the disinfectant form (there is one other form of iodine

>that acts as a disinfectant, but I can't remember which one). Iodide

>per se does not act as a disinfectant.

>

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Yeah as crazy as it sounds that has been my experience. When I was REALLY

sick with chronic fatigue symptoms, I rarely if ever caught colds and stuff

like that. My husband even remarked about it at the time. But then as I

started to get better, I started getting more colds. It is weird but

clearly there are many things about immunity that we don't yet understand.

Irene

At 02:02 PM 7/29/2006, you wrote:

>Sometimes people don't get " sick " because they're body doesn't have the

>strength to fight the infection.

>

>Skipper

[Guest guest]

Maybe you get out and amongst (sick) people more now then when you were

fatigued. Just a thought.

--- Irene.M@... wrote:

> Yeah as crazy as it sounds that has been my experience. When I was REALLY

> sick with chronic fatigue symptoms, I rarely if ever caught colds and stuff

> like that. My husband even remarked about it at the time. But then as I

> started to get better, I started getting more colds. It is weird but

> clearly there are many things about immunity that we don't yet understand.

>

> Irene

>

>

> At 02:02 PM 7/29/2006, you wrote:

>

> >Sometimes people don't get " sick " because they're body doesn't have the

> >strength to fight the infection.

> >

> >Skipper

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

>From: Irene.M@...

>

>Yeah as crazy as it sounds that has been my experience. When I was REALLY

>sick with chronic fatigue symptoms, I rarely if ever caught colds and stuff

>like that. My husband even remarked about it at the time. But then as I

>started to get better, I started getting more colds. It is weird but

>clearly there are many things about immunity that we don't yet understand.

That's the concept I've read about somehwere. Reactions like fever and

runny noses are signs the immune system is working. So, if you have a

bacteria or virus when your immune system is low, you might not feel well

but you won't have the outward signs.

Hypothyroidism also interferes with fever, as my wife only had a temp of 97

when she had pneumonia. The nurse wasn't happy with the reading.

Those signs they try to suppress with cold medicines are actually what our

body needs to do to fight the infections.

Skipper

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Skipper,

After one IODIDE is removed from the T4, it becomes T3. Selenium-based enzymes

throughout the body are responsible for the conversion, or " deiodination " .

I've not researched this, but it is my understanding that the ion removed is

iodide, and the same process would be happening wherever in the body.

[Actually, it is not really iodide (I-) because the valence would be wrong. In

order to form the thyroid hormones, it has to go through a two-step process to

become the right valence to attach to the tyrosine molecule that is part of the

thyroglobulin. So I would assume it would go through another transformation as

it is uncoupled from the T4 molecule.]

If you would like to read more about how T4 is created and then transformed into

T3 by the selenium-based enzymes, our website has a discussion of this, as well

as research links. The " Thyroid Hormone " section talks about how the T4 is

transformed into T3 in various parts of the body. The " Thyroid Hormone

Synthesis " section talks about how the hormones are created in the thyroid.

http://72.148.194.153/iodine/body/thyroid/thyroid_frame.htm

Zoe

So, after one molecule of iodine is removed from T4, what iodine compound

does it become?

If the liver removes one molecule of iodine, does it become the same iodide

compound as if it were removed by the brain, or other organ that can

deiodinize?

Skipper

[Guest guest]

agreed. Isn't it the Road Back Foundation that believes in fighting

" stealth infections " with antibiotics for years? It might be preferable to

use iodine. I suppose stealth infections are what the compromised immune

system can't deal with.

gracia

> >From: Irene.M@...

>>

>>Yeah as crazy as it sounds that has been my experience. When I was REALLY

>>sick with chronic fatigue symptoms, I rarely if ever caught colds and

>>stuff

>>like that. My husband even remarked about it at the time. But then as I

>>started to get better, I started getting more colds. It is weird but

>>clearly there are many things about immunity that we don't yet understand.

>

> That's the concept I've read about somehwere. Reactions like fever and

> runny noses are signs the immune system is working. So, if you have a

> bacteria or virus when your immune system is low, you might not feel well

> but you won't have the outward signs.

>

> Hypothyroidism also interferes with fever, as my wife only had a temp of

> 97

> when she had pneumonia. The nurse wasn't happy with the reading.

>

> Those signs they try to suppress with cold medicines are actually what our

> body needs to do to fight the infections.

>

> Skipper

>

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> Iodine

[Guest guest]

Skipper, I haven't had time yet to research in depth the disinfectant properties

of iodine. It is clearly a crucial issue, and I would love for someone to

really look at this.

With iodine, the chemical form is crucial as to what effects it will have. And

there are a lot of different chemical forms -- for example, iodide (I-) [the

form found in KI and NaI], iodine (I2), HOI, O1-, HI2O-, IO2-,H2OI+, T1, T2, T3,

T4, other iodoproteins, and iodolipids. At this point, I am just starting to

appreciate that the form makes a big difference. I don't yet understand the

chemistry.

Gottardi is considered the expert on " Iodine Aqueous Chemistry " -- i.e., how

iodine acts in watery solutions like blood. Kessler has done a lot of research

on disinfectants, too, as well as developing an external iodine disinfectant in

use today.

I would love to understand the disinfectant qualities of iodine -- especially as

it works in the body. It is so important. You can find some relevant research

on the website under Iodine as a " Disinfectant " .

http://72.148.194.153/iodine/special/special_topics_frames.htm

Zoe

I don't really understand the real difference between iodine and iodide,

other than iodide joins with something else to make a new compound. I'm not

sure why this prohibits it from disinfecting.

This says, sodium iodide doesn't disinfect -

http://web.mit.edu/mitoc/www/activities/hiking/water.html

sodium iodide has no disinfectant activity,

But, this implies potassium iodide can -

http://wiretap.area.com/Gopher/Library/Article/Outdoors/watfilt.bc

disinfectant activity of iodide is not as readily affected as

chlorine by water pH or organic content

[Guest guest]

If I may say a few words here. I know that you guys are much more

knowledgeable than I am, but as I have hashimotos I do know a little

about this. Don't forget the not only does T4 convert to T3, but T3

to T2 and T2 to T1. I'm sure that T2 and T1 must be in the mix

somewhere also. They are finding that T2 is very important, whereas

it was used to be thought of as inert. V

>

> Skipper,

>

> After one IODIDE is removed from the T4, it becomes T3. Selenium-

based enzymes throughout the body are responsible for the conversion,

or " deiodination " .

>

> I've not researched this, but it is my understanding that the ion

removed is iodide, and the same process would be happening wherever

in the body.

>

> [Actually, it is not really iodide (I-) because the valence would

be wrong. In order to form the thyroid hormones, it has to go

through a two-step process to become the right valence to attach to

the tyrosine molecule that is part of the thyroglobulin. So I would

assume it would go through another transformation as it is uncoupled

from the T4 molecule.]

>

> If you would like to read more about how T4 is created and then

transformed into T3 by the selenium-based enzymes, our website has a

discussion of this, as well as research links. The " Thyroid Hormone "

section talks about how the T4 is transformed into T3 in various

parts of the body. The " Thyroid Hormone Synthesis " section talks

about how the hormones are created in the thyroid.

>

> http://72.148.194.153/iodine/body/thyroid/thyroid_frame.htm

>

> Zoe

>

> So, after one molecule of iodine is removed from T4, what iodine

compound

> does it become?

>

> If the liver removes one molecule of iodine, does it become the

same iodide

> compound as if it were removed by the brain, or other organ that

can

> deiodinize?

>

> Skipper

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

According to homeopathic principals, when you get sick (i.e., show symptoms

of illness, like runny nose, sneezing, cough, diarrhea, vomiting, etc.) that

is a SYMPTOM, not the illness. And it is your body's immune system working

and expelling the virus/bacteria/whatever from your body. When you are

exposed (and not immune) to these virus/bacteria, and your body is not

strong enough to mount a defense, you will not " get sick " (i.e., show

symptoms as above), but the bacteria/virus/whatever will hang out in your

body. You will not be well (i.e., not vibrant, healthy), but you won't show

symptoms because your body is not using its defense to get the stuff out

(usually via mucous).

That is where chronic disease comes from, not having a vibrant immune system

that can expel these bugs.

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> >

> > >Sometimes people don't get " sick " because they're body doesn't have

the

> > >strength to fight the infection.

> > >

> > >Skipper