iodine and Neanderthals and animals...now case for copper

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I haven't really thought about this much for iodine and animals ... it came> up about copper though. It seems some animals "hoard" copper and some don't.> The copper "hoarders", interestingly enough, are the ones who eat a lot of> seaweed, since seaweed tends to chelate copper.> --------> Very interesting post as I just finished reading Andre Voisin's 1959 book, Soil, Grass and Cancer. He makes a point for the role of copper in animals diets to reduce cancer by building an enzyme called catalase.Copper seems involved in reproductive issues as well as zinc so I wonder if the problem (esp. for women) isn't too much copper but way too low zinc. How to get it balanced I don't know as it's extremely hard to do by supplementation when it's not in our foods.Lynn In his book Soil, Grass and Cancer (Crosby Lockwood,

London, 1959), French author Andre Voisin, biochemist and agriculturist, demonstrated

how health and disease are related to the soil via the nutritional quality of the

crops produced thereon. In regard to foot and mouth disease in cattle, Voisin quoted

German and French data showing the disease hardly ever occurred in granite and sandy

regions, but that sometimes in soils high in lime it affected up to eighty per cent

of animals. The susceptibility to the disease Voisin ascribed to copper deficiency,

which prevented the animals producing enough catalase, the predominant protective

enzyme of the immune system.

Similar examples of lowered catalase in both humans and animals

that permitted otherwise harmless germs to act pathogenically to produce different

disease symptoms were given, and as the title of the book indicates, the importance

of trace minerals in the prevention of cancer was emphasized.http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyglibcat/020122horne.21stcentury/020122ch5.html and see Sally Fallon's review on the weston price site:http://www.westonaprice.org/farming/splendor.html http://www.westonaprice.org/bookreviews/soil_grass.html

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Copper is an element that seems to have a narrow window

of viability. It also accumulates.

On the Pheiffer model, overmethylated constitution, which

I have correlated to TCM excess constitution, tends to have

a lot of copper already, even more than they need, so should NOT

supplement copper. Undermethylated or TCM deficient constitution

often needs copper, and one way I look for this is extremely

difficult problem with cracking and callousing of the heels

despite all grooming efforts,

and fungal tendency of the feet especially as one gets older,

which says me poor oxygenation at the periphery of the body,

possibly poor oxygenation elsewhere as well.

This can happen even when thyroid levels are already

fine, enough iron etc, so copper is like a last missing piece that

we usually ignore as not on the radar screen. Then even 1-2 mg

copper can be sufficient to show rapid improvement. Skin on

the foot begins to transform and heal rapidly. Copper does

accumulate, so prepare to back down initial amounts. Too high

a copper supplement can have an effect in some people as similar

to coming down with a UTI, very frequent urination, a bit burning,

so drink a glass of cranberry juice and cut the copper supplement

in half. See also my msg blog entry for copper in the last

month or so, and Links->Nutrients folder for more on copper

(and iodine etc). My copper supp is Solgar 2.5 mg - and

I take half of one of these in the morning with breakfast.

I chew it up. Copper competes with zinc and iron, so take

zinc and iron at some other time of day, such as with dinner.

Do not overdo the copper. A little goes a long way. It's not

for everyone. And remember that copper accumulates.

Carol

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" Lynn " <lyn122@...> wrote:

>

> I haven't really thought about this much for iodine and animals ...

it

> came

> > up about copper though. It seems some animals " hoard " copper and

some

> don't.

> > The copper " hoarders " , interestingly enough, are the ones who eat

a

> lot of

> > seaweed, since seaweed tends to chelate copper.

> >

>

> --------> Very interesting post as I just finished reading Andre

> Voisin's 1959 book, Soil, Grass and Cancer. He makes a point for

the

> role of copper in animals diets to reduce cancer by building an

enzyme

> called catalase.

>

> Copper seems involved in reproductive issues as well as zinc so I

wonder

> if the problem (esp. for women) isn't too much copper but way too

low

> zinc. How to get it balanced I don't know as it's extremely hard

to do

> by supplementation when it's not in our foods.

>

> Lynn

>

> In his book Soil, Grass and Cancer (Crosby Lockwood, London,

1959),

> French author Andre Voisin, biochemist and agriculturist,

demonstrated

> how health and disease are related to the soil via the nutritional

> quality of the crops produced thereon. In regard to foot and mouth

> disease in cattle, Voisin quoted German and French data showing the

> disease hardly ever occurred in granite and sandy regions, but that

> sometimes in soils high in lime it affected up to eighty per cent of

> animals. The susceptibility to the disease Voisin ascribed to copper

> deficiency, which prevented the animals producing enough catalase,

the

> predominant protective enzyme of the immune system.

> Similar examples of lowered catalase in both humans and animals

that

> permitted otherwise harmless germs to act pathogenically to produce

> different disease symptoms were given, and as the title of the book

> indicates, the importance of trace minerals in the prevention of

cancer

> was emphasized.

>

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> 0122ch5.html

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> and see Sally Fallon's review on the weston price site:

> http://www.westonaprice.org/farming/splendor.html

> <http://www.westonaprice.org/farming/splendor.html>

> http://www.westonaprice.org/bookreviews/soil_grass.html

> <http://www.westonaprice.org/bookreviews/soil_grass.html>

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Copper seems involved in reproductive issues as well as zinc so I wonder if the problem (esp. for women) isn't too much copper but way too low zinc. How to get it balanced I don't know as it's extremely hard to do by supplementation when it's not in our foods.

LynnIt's a really interesting question. Copper is *extremely* important for the developing fetus, and, it is thought for that reason, women's copper levels go way up during and just after pregnancy. Women hoard copper rather than excreting it. Which in some environments must be just fine ... the problem is, if you have copper water pipes and soft water, you are getting a LOT of copper. High copper levels are associated with all kinds of health problems.

OTOH if you get too much zinc, you can go too low on copper. You can't really know how much of each you need unless you know how much copper you are actually getting (by testing your water and food) and testing how much you tend to hoard it.

Which is why I ended up opting for the " seaweed cure " . Seaweed only chelates the copper that is excreted into the gut, so I figure the body then has a say in the matter. Seaweed also chelates other excreted metals (like mercury) so they don't get re-absorbed. But it doesn't change mineral levels unless said minerals get excreted into the gut (as part of the bile I think). Partly I have this idea that our ancestors ate a lot of polysaccharides, more than we do today, so adding polysaccharides to one's diet is in general a good thing.

I take some zinc too, in a balanced calcium/magnesium/zinc/Vit D pill. And vitamin C with each meal: Vit C seems pretty harmless (in some experiments they even use it intravenously, and at the worst it gives diarrhea). --

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hello, fyi, I read recently that the use of the birth pill is another reason for increased copper/low zinc levels, regards, sandra