Re: Iodine for kids?

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Dr. Brownstein recommended detoxified iodine for my kids. My son is almost 7 and my daughter is 4. You can see it at www.iodinesource.com -it is so much more expensive there. I pay $6 (I think) for a bottle from Dr. B. I have to get a shipment of stuff ordered today so if you want some let me know and I will get some for you. I just put 2 drops in their juice 3x a week. My daughter's stomach has flattened out since doing it. I have not done their basal's since but they were around 96.2 - 97.

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Iodine for kids?

My daughter 9 years old, hypothyroid and on Armour. My son is 5, and I've been taking his temps the last few days, and they are around 97ish (I haven't gotten him before he starts moving the morning yet). He was slow to talk, slo to potty train, studders, but his gross motor skills are very advanced. He's not much for sitting still, but still takes naps. Aside from tranquilization, I have no idea how to get a blood test from him ;-) I would like to start supplementing both of them with Lugol's, maybe I can get my daughters thyroid working on its own, and perhaps I an relieve my sons symptoms and avoid the need for Armour.

Does anybody have any idea how much iodine would be necessary for kids? My daughter weighs around 80 lbs, my son around 45ish.

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>From: " Ives " <mives@...>

>BlankMy daughter 9 years old, hypothyroid and on Armour. My son is 5, and

>I've been taking his temps the last few days, and they are around 97ish (I

>haven't gotten him before he starts moving the morning yet).

Broda said that morning temp should be between 97.8 and 98.2 if he's

normal. He also said it was a good test, but not 100% accurate.

Also, helpful to use 2 thermometers as they don't always read the same, and

it's the underarm temp he recommended.

>He was slow to talk, slo to potty train, studders,

According to some German researchers dysarthria (neuromuscular speech

problems) is a primary sign of hypothyroidism and should be treated. I

don't know if stuttering falls into that category or not.

Of course, so is slow development.

>but his gross motor skills are very advanced. He's not much for sitting

>still, but still takes >naps. Aside from tranquilization, I have no idea

>how to get a blood test from him ;-)

The labs know how, and those were not fun days. They have to hold him down.

>I would like to start supplementing both of them with Lugol's, maybe I can

>get my >daughters thyroid working on its own, and perhaps I an relieve my

>sons symptoms and >avoid the need for Armour.

Maybe. However, there's great danger in having a hypothyroid child and not

treating him. It is DANGEROUS to avoid thyroid supplementation for

children. It's a lot riskier than with an adult, because their development

is at stake. Do not risk your children's development with some concept of

curing them naturally.

If you've noticed, not many in this group have eliminated thyroid meds. Of

course, some of them may eventually. But, we'll have to wait and see how

common that is.

>

>Does anybody have any idea how much iodine would be necessary for kids? My

>daughter weighs around 80 lbs, my son around 45ish.

Dr. Derry said 1 drop of Lugol's Solution is safe for everyone. That's

where I would start. If they are iodine deficient, that should fix that

problem.

Do not risk your child's health waiting for their thyroids to get better on

their own.

If going to the doctor make sure you get TSH, T4, T3 and antibodies ran. AM

cortisol is also helpful. My child was severely hypo with a TSH of 2.2.

And hard to recognize since his symptoms were completely different from

either parent.

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dosing lugols is dynamic cause iodine is so volatile that the

concentration drops with time so you need more

i have written up on iodine dosing and also lithium which imo is also

essential if you are doing iodine

but my approach is fine detailed and requires finesse and the ability

to read which is not for everyone, most noticably some members of

this board

'iodine' and 'lithium' in the index of http://tinyurl.com/2csa3

alos a braod based mineral supplementation as per 'minerlas i take'

will help with the hyper

i would completely avoid any more vaccines for him

note: to those who are easily offended by what i write for whatever

reason, please consider i have some experience in this area of

children with autistic traits and supplementation to help them and if

you make life to much hassle for me on this board i am simply not

going to post

i am not interested in explaining myself to save you the trouble or

reading or justifying what i write

let those who are interested pick up what they want to pick up

and 'high valitudinaal double blind clinicial trial types' dissappear

back down the revenous maw of an an incompedent pharma to rest at

ease in the corrosive juices of stupidities

YES NO REFERENCES BUT DON'T USE GOOGLE OR YOU MAY HAVE TO THINK

>

> BlankMy daughter 9 years old, hypothyroid and on Armour. My son is

5, and I've been taking his temps the last few days, and they are

around 97ish (I haven't gotten him before he starts moving the

morning yet). He was slow to talk, slo to potty train, studders,

but his gross motor skills are very advanced. He's not much for

sitting still, but still takes naps. Aside from tranquilization, I

have no idea how to get a blood test from him ;-) I would like to

start supplementing both of them with Lugol's, maybe I can get my

daughters thyroid working on its own, and perhaps I an relieve my

sons symptoms and avoid the need for Armour.

>

> Does anybody have any idea how much iodine would be necessary for

kids? My daughter weighs around 80 lbs, my son around 45ish.

>

> Best,

>

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Note, dysarthria (speech problems) in the article below.

Am J Otolaryngol 2001 Jan;22(1):70-72 Related Articles, Books, LinkOut

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/utils/fref.fcgi?http://www.harcourthealth.com\

/scripts/om.dll/serve?arttype=full & article=aajot0220070

Dysarthria as the leading symptom of hypothyroidism.

Stollberger C, Finsterer J, Brand E, Tschabitscher D

Medizinische Abteilung, Krankenanstalt Rudolfstiftung,Vienna, Austria.

[Record supplied by publisher]

Typical symptoms of hypothyroidism are lethargy, cold intolerance,

slowing of intellectual and motor activity, declining appetite, increasing

weight, and dry skin. A 43-year-old man with hypothyroidism presented with

dysarthria as the leading symptom. Further symptoms were cramps in the legs

after exercise, dizziness, and stunned feeling. He suffered from severe

snoring for 4 years, and obstructive sleep apnea syndrome was diagnosed 2

years before. Creatine phosphokinase was elevated. Electromyography was

myogenic. Echocardiography showed a thickened myocardium. An otolaryngologic

investigation revealed macroglossia and hypertrophy of the uvula. After

administration of L-thyroxine, the symptoms rapidly improved.

***Dysarthria may be the leading symptom of hypothyroidism and can be

promptly resolved after hormone substitution.

PMID: 11172218

************************

Many of us are bothered by slow speech or other problems before we get

thyroid meds.

Stuttering can be caused by dysarthria -

http://www.med.umich.edu/1libr/pa/pa_bstutter_hhg.htm

" Stuttering is 4 times more likely in boys than in girls. In most cases,

true stuttering is an inherited problem. It can also occur when a child with

normal dysfluency or normal dysarthria is pressured to improve and becomes

sensitive about the problem. "

Even if it's not " officially " that doesn't mean stuttering isn't a sign of

hypothyroidism. Many things are that doctors are not aware of.

One good page on childhood hypothyroidism -

http://tinyurl.com/mtmhd

" Often the only sign of hypothyroidism during childhood is an abnormal rate

of linear growth. Actually the child may not be short compared to other

children of the same age if he or she were above average in height before

the disease occurred. Therefore, the most important feature of

hypothyroidism is a decrease in the rate or velocity of growth in height. If

the disease is recognized early and adequately treated, the child will grow

at an accelerated rate until reaching the same growth percentile where the

child measured prior to the onset of hypothyroidism. Hypothyroidism

progresses very slowly and insidiously, making the diagnosis difficult for

physicians. In the more advanced and long-standing the child may have other

general symptoms of hypothyroidism, such as easy fatiguability, mild weight

gain in association with a reduction in appetite, constipation, an

intolerance of cold weather, dry skin, and either delayed (usual) or early

(rare) onset of sexual development at adolescence. "

One of my son's symptoms was lack of appetite, had I read this and ignored

the part that talked about " with mild weight gain " I might have gotten him

treated a little sooner. Some hypos are appear anorexic, and he was one.

Even took him to a psychiatrist because of his refual to eat more than a few

bites. Put him on 3 grains of Armour and he started eating and growing like

he should.

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,Any particular reason that Dr. B recommends detoxified iodine vx. Lugol's?LinnOn Sep 18, 2006, at 9:27 AM, ladybugsandbees wrote:Dr. Brownstein recommended detoxified iodine for my kids.  My son is almost 7 and my daughter is 4.  You can see it at www.iodinesource.com  -it is so much more expensive there.  I pay $6 (I think) for a bottle from Dr. B.  I have to get a shipment of stuff ordered today so if you want some let me know and I will get some for you.    I just put 2 drops in their juice 3x a week.  My daughter's stomach has flattened out since doing it.  I have not done their basal's since but they were around 96.2 - 97.   B.My Ebay Auctions:  http://tinyurl.com/o9nqvMY SOY CANDLE STORE IS OPEN!  COME VISIT:http://www.marloquinn.com/SoyScentsational  . 

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I didn't ask but I know that Lugol's tastes nasty and this stuff does not.

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Re: Iodine for kids?

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Any particular reason that Dr. B recommends detoxified iodine vx. Lugol's?

Linn

On Sep 18, 2006, at 9:27 AM, ladybugsandbees wrote:

Dr. Brownstein recommended detoxified iodine for my kids. My son is almost 7 and my daughter is 4. You can see it at www.iodinesource.com -it is so much more expensive there. I pay $6 (I think) for a bottle from Dr. B. I have to get a shipment of stuff ordered today so if you want some let me know and I will get some for you. I just put 2 drops in their juice 3x a week. My daughter's stomach has flattened out since doing it. I have not done their basal's since but they were around 96.2 - 97.

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thx for your link. great info. of interest to me was assisting liver enzymes (I took Levaquin)...and if i read correctly...your research indicates magnesium is of benefit...particularly the chelate, glycinate, aspartate forms. cindiandrew <alevin@...> wrote: note: to those who are easily offended by what i write for whatever reason, please consider i have some experience in this area of children with autistic traits and supplementation to help them and if you make life to much hassle for me on this board i am simply not going to posti am not interested in explaining myself to save you the trouble or reading or justifying what i writelet those who are interested pick up what they want to pick up and 'high valitudinaal double blind clinicial

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>From: " andrew " <alevin@...>

>but my approach is fine detailed and requires finesse and the ability

>to read which is not for everyone, most noticably some members of

>this board

>note: to those who are easily offended by what i write for whatever

>reason, please consider i have some experience in this area of

>children with autistic traits and supplementation to help them and if

>you make life to much hassle for me on this board i am simply not

>going to post

>

>i am not interested in explaining myself to save you the trouble or

>reading or justifying what i write

So, you insult us, tell us not only don't you need to give references for

what you say, but don't even have to explain any expertise you may have,

spell quite poorly, write quite poorly, and we should care whether you post

or not?

I guess there may be those among us who enjoy rudeness. After all, many of

us are too dumb to read.

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Interesting, Skipper. My son has never been a good eater at all. And to

look at him, he is very muscular and well-developed for a 5 year old. He's

rather " ripped " and buff looking, lol! But his eating habits are pretty

bad, and I've taken to not buying any junk at all, or that is all he will

eat (and sneak it as well). So no more cookies, etc., in the house. He

eats a lot of eggs, chicken, and peanut butter crackers. Occasionally he'll

go on a veggie kick and eat a plateful of veggies, that that may be one day

every 2 weeks? We were doing good with vitamins for awhile, but now he is

refusing those.

He's been telling me that he likes to snuggle with me because " you're so

warm, mommy " , that's what made me start checking his temps, and I'm finding

him low, in the 97's even during the afternoon. However, he will wear

nothing but a t-shirt and no socks, etc., in the dead of winter when its 10F

outside, and spend his day playing in front of the wood stove.

Technically, his speech is " within the average range " whatever that is, but

he's far on the slower side. He was much slower to talk than my daughter,

there is the stuttering (his mouth can't get the words out as fast as he

wants them to, he gets frustrated at his very verbal, VERY mouth older

sister), then lashes out and hits. He has quite a temper, and did while I

was pregnant even. I was extremely hypo while pregnant with him, this

pregnancy was the one that sent me spiraling down in the dumps to the point

where I was barely functioning at all.

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~If you can stay calm, while all around you is chaos...then

you probably haven't completely understood the situation.~

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purpose of storing dead batteries.~

>

> One of my son's symptoms was lack of appetite, had I read this and ignored

> the part that talked about " with mild weight gain " I might have gotten him

> treated a little sooner. Some hypos are appear anorexic, and he was one.

> Even took him to a psychiatrist because of his refual to eat more than a

few

> bites. Put him on 3 grains of Armour and he started eating and growing

like

> he should.

>

>

> Skipper

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>

> Broda said that morning temp should be between 97.8 and 98.2 if

he's

> normal. He also said it was a good test, but not 100% accurate.

My daughter is seeing a Broda doc, and I have an appt. with her on

October, and will bring my son if necessary. Neither my aughter nor I have

hashi's, so I'm not sure how much may be environmental and how much may be

genetic in our hypo-ism.

>

> Also, helpful to use 2 thermometers as they don't always read the same,

and

> it's the underarm temp he recommended.

Good idea on the 2thermometers. I'm going to try to get him in the

morning, maybe I can slip in in there before he wakes up.

> The labs know how, and those were not fun days. They have to hold him

down.

If we go that route, we will only get blood from him once. There is no way

he will sit still for that again.

> Maybe. However, there's great danger in having a hypothyroid child and

not

> treating him. It is DANGEROUS to avoid thyroid supplementation for

> children. It's a lot riskier than with an adult, because their

development

> is at stake. Do not risk your children's development with some concept of

> curing them naturally.

Skipper, believe me, I know this. I went to the ends of the earth to get my

daughter treated, as her pediatrician wanted nothing to do with it. I,

however, do believe that there is a reason for hypothyroidism, and it

doesn't " just happen " . If I can find the reason for it (not hashi's in our

case), I would much rather cure the cause than to keep slapping that bandaid

over it forever. I've been hypo for at least 15 years, maybe longer. I

don't plan on risking them at all. If Iodine and the missing vitamins &

minerals gets his metabolism going, then that is what I will do. If it does

not, then I will pursue thyroid replacement. It is very possible that his

poor diet or some environmental cause is the reason. I'm very, very suspect

to our water now, or possibly the air in our environment. I am hypo, my

daughter is hypo, my son may be, and I suspect my husband may be. I have

two horses right now with low basal temperature (and I haven't checked the

other 3 yet-they aren't willing, and a horse must be willing to have its

temp. taken). I have a 40% cancer death rate among my animals in the 15

years we've lived here (1 in that scenario is accidental, so that may bump

the rate up a bit).

> Dr. Derry said 1 drop of Lugol's Solution is safe for everyone. That's

> where I would start. If they are iodine deficient, that should fix that

> problem.

That's where I started this morning, I gave him 1 drop in juice. We'll see.

It certainly can't hurt.

> Do not risk your child's health waiting for their thyroids to get better

on

> their own.

Don't worry, I won't.

>

> If going to the doctor make sure you get TSH, T4, T3 and antibodies ran.

AM

> cortisol is also helpful. My child was severely hypo with a TSH of 2.2.

> And hard to recognize since his symptoms were completely different from

> either parent.

Yep, BTDT. Both my daughter and I are hypo.

Best,

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in fact the douglas labs magnesium taurate appears to be the best

magnesium available

its very important with magnesium that it is fully reacted, that is,

theres no inorganic magnesium left, otherwise the inorganic magnesium

feeds intestinal yeast preferentially

magnesium chelate in my expereince always has issue with a lack of

full reaction

mag glycinate seems to not hit the right pathways,

mag aspartate seemed to be a bit enervating

if there are liver enzyme problems it would pay to completely remove

fish, shellfish and prawns from the diet to eliminate mercury and

arsenic

>

> thx for your link. great info.

> of interest to me was assisting liver enzymes (I took

Levaquin)...and if i read correctly...your research indicates

magnesium is of benefit...particularly the chelate, glycinate,

aspartate forms.

> cindi

>

>

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>From: " Ives " <mives@...>

>My daughter is seeing a Broda doc, and I have an appt. with her on

>October, and will bring my son if necessary. Neither my aughter nor I have

>hashi's, so I'm not sure how much may be environmental and how much may be

>genetic in our hypo-ism.

No Hashimoto's is a presumption on your part. Per Arem in " The Thyroid

Solution " 10% of those with antibodies don't have the ones that are

detectable. These are seen by ultrasound (I think) and recognized by the

damage done. They still have Hashimoto's.

>If we go that route, we will only get blood from him once. There is no way

>he will sit still for that again.

Being held down doesn't imply concent on his part.

I,

>however, do believe that there is a reason for hypothyroidism, and it

>doesn't " just happen " . If I can find the reason for it (not hashi's in our

>case), I would much rather cure the cause than to keep slapping that

>bandaid

>over it forever.

That's well and good, but an extremely difficult task. 20 years ago they

didn't know the mineral selenium was necessary, so they didn't know lack of

it could cause hypothyroidism.

The cause is extremely difficult to find, unless it's lack of iodine.

I've got a LIFE magazine from the late 1950s. In the west, they were happy

to talk about the fact that Washington said the residents were going to get

a light show, but not to be concerned because they were only testing Atomic

weapons.

Nuclear power plants all over the place. Of course, those are perfectly

safe.

Lugol's Solution will prevent thyroid cancer from nuclear discharge if taken

in time, assuming they tell us about it.

>If it does

>not, then I will pursue thyroid replacement.

The window of opportunity is much narrower for a child.

It is very possible that his

>poor diet or some environmental cause is the reason. I'm very, very

>suspect

>to our water now, or possibly the air in our environment. I am hypo, my

>daughter is hypo, my son may be, and I suspect my husband may be. I have

>two horses right now with low basal temperature (and I haven't checked the

>other 3 yet-they aren't willing, and a horse must be willing to have its

>temp. taken). I have a 40% cancer death rate among my animals in the 15

>years we've lived here (1 in that scenario is accidental, so that may bump

>the rate up a bit).

DC Jarvis used to give horses Apple Cider Vinegar and Lugol's Solution and

it greatly improved their life. YOu can read about that in " Vermont Folk

Medicine " and it might be in the excerpt of that on Jcrow.com.

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Have you tried to have blood taken from your son yet? If not you never

know. Sometimes they surprise you. I really expected a huge fight from my

son, he was three at the time and he was quite OK with it. He complains a

lot more now (he's 4). One thing I do now is try and coordinate my blood

tests with his. We go in together and they take my blood first then his.

He is not thrilled about it but he goes along. I usually have to promise

him a " surprise " when we are done in order to get him in there

in the first place. There is a place for bribery.

Don't know if any of this helps.

Irene

At 06:48 AM 9/18/2006, you wrote:

My daughter 9 years old,

hypothyroid and on Armour. My son is 5, and I've been taking his

temps the last few days, and they are around 97ish (I haven't gotten him

before he starts moving the morning yet). He was slow

to talk, slo to potty train, studders, but his gross motor skills are

very advanced. He's not much for sitting still, but still takes

naps. Aside from tranquilization, I have no idea how to get a blood

test from him ;-) I would like to start supplementing both of them

with Lugol's, maybe I can get my daughters thyroid working on its own,

and perhaps I an relieve my sons symptoms and avoid the need for

Armour.

Does anybody have any idea how much iodine would be necessary for

kids? My daughter weighs around 80 lbs, my son around 45ish.

Best,

Handcrafted Jewelry ~

http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com

Curly Horse Rescue ~

http://www.CurlyRescue.com

~If you can stay calm, while all around you is chaos...then

you probably haven't completely understood the situation.~

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purpose of storing dead batteries.~

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> No Hashimoto's is a presumption on your part. Per Arem in " The Thyroid

> Solution " 10% of those with antibodies don't have the ones that are

> detectable. These are seen by ultrasound (I think) and recognized by the

> damage done. They still have Hashimoto's.

I had not heard this at all. Is that the only reference that suggests this?

> Being held down doesn't imply concent on his part.

No, it does not. But I won't even get him in the truck if he goes through

that. I don't believe in physically forcing my children, as it will only

make matters worse. He can and will learn to do what is necessary, but

rushing him and forcing him will not do him any good. As I said, I will

have him tested if this trend continues and I cannot turn things around

nutritionally.

> That's well and good, but an extremely difficult task. 20 years ago they

> didn't know the mineral selenium was necessary, so they didn't know lack

of

> it could cause hypothyroidism.

I believe at least part of the cause for hypothyroidism and many endocrine

dysfunctions is due to the chemicals in our environment. www.vitaroyal.com

Best,

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Curly Horse Rescue ~ http://www.CurlyRescue.com

~If you can stay calm, while all around you is chaos...then

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>From: " Ives " <mives@...>

> > No Hashimoto's is a presumption on your part. Per Arem in " The Thyroid

> > Solution " 10% of those with antibodies don't have the ones that are

> > detectable. These are seen by ultrasound (I think) and recognized by

>the

> > damage done. They still have Hashimoto's.

>

>I had not heard this at all. Is that the only reference that suggests

>this?

No, but Arem is an endocrinologist. I do believe that's known by others

too, just not going to look up another reference for it. But, if you do a

search, I'm sure you can find others saying it.

>

> > Being held down doesn't imply concent on his part.

>

>No, it does not. But I won't even get him in the truck if he goes through

>that. I don't believe in physically forcing my children, as it will only

>make matters worse. He can and will learn to do what is necessary, but

>rushing him and forcing him will not do him any good. As I said, I will

>have him tested if this trend continues and I cannot turn things around

>nutritionally.

You know, my son was the same way. Only he knew he should get it done, but

his involuntary responses wouldn't let him. His knowing it was for his own

good was only a little helpful.

Fear of needles is pretty bad for some people, they simply can't help it.

My son had to be held down for lab tests, my daughter simply fainted. I

guess, it's OK to take blood from someone if they fainted because it's

easier, even if you don't have their full consent?

If you know you're going to be hurt, sometimes it is irrational fear that a

five year old has a lot of problems banishing, and that's understandable.

>

> > That's well and good, but an extremely difficult task. 20 years ago

>they

> > didn't know the mineral selenium was necessary, so they didn't know lack

>of

> > it could cause hypothyroidism.

>

>I believe at least part of the cause for hypothyroidism and many endocrine

>dysfunctions is due to the chemicals in our environment. www.vitaroyal.com

I think it's the main cause. Fluoride, rocket fuel, atomic energy, maybe

fallout from nuclear testing, how do we know there's not fallout from Korea

or Iran running nuclear tests? The wind carries things all around the

world. Maybe our depleted uranium is coming back to us. (Of course,

proponents say it's not radioactive anyway, and it's a lie it's hariming

anyone.)

This is why it's so hard to find the real cause.

Sometimes thyroid hormones compensate for other problems we'll never find.

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I just wanted to comment that my , age 6, who also has Hashi's, stutters to. I had her "evaluated" by a speech pathologist at the school and they said she had a mild speech disfluency that may or may not go away with time. Her onset was around the age of 5. They denied her SPED services. All I requested through the school was some speech therapy. She doesn't seem to get as upset as you describe your son doing. But we take her to private speech therapist just the same. It has helped immensely.

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Interesting, Skipper. My son has never been a good eater at all. And tolook at him, he is very muscular and well-developed for a 5 year old. He'srather "ripped" and buff looking, lol! But his eating habits are prettybad, and I've taken to not buying any junk at all, or that is all he willeat (and sneak it as well). So no more cookies, etc., in the house. Heeats a lot of eggs, chicken, and peanut butter crackers. Occasionally he'llgo on a veggie kick and eat a plateful of veggies, that that may be one dayevery 2 weeks? We were doing good with vitamins for awhile, but now he isrefusing those.He's been telling me that he likes to snuggle with me because "you're sowarm, mommy", that's what made me start checking his temps, and I'm findinghim low, in the 97's even during the afternoon. However, he will wearnothing but a t-shirt and no socks, etc., in the dead of winter when its 10Foutside, and spend his day playing in front of the wood stove.Technically, his speech is "within the average range" whatever that is, buthe's far on the slower side. He was much slower to talk than my daughter,there is the stuttering (his mouth can't get the words out as fast as hewants them to, he gets frustrated at his very verbal, VERY mouth oldersister), then lashes out and hits. He has quite a temper, and did while Iwas pregnant even. I was extremely hypo while pregnant with him, thispregnancy was the one that sent me spiraling down in the dumps to the pointwhere I was barely functioning at all.Best,Handcrafted Jewelry ~ http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.comCurly Horse Rescue ~ http://www.CurlyRescue.com~If you can stay calm, while all around you is chaos...thenyou probably haven't completely understood the situation.~~Flashlights are tubular metal containers for thepurpose of storing dead batteries.~>> One of my son's symptoms was lack of appetite, had I read this and ignored> the part that talked about "with mild weight gain" I might have gotten him> treated a little sooner. Some hypos are appear anorexic, and he was one.> Even took him to a psychiatrist because of his refual to eat more than afew> bites. Put him on 3 grains of Armour and he started eating and growinglike> he should.>>> Skipper

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s used to freak at the site of needles too. But I talked with her. I told her how important it is that we check her thyroid hormone levels. And that we need to do this because I love her and want her to be a healthy happy little girl. She now understands. She knows she doesn't feel well. She knows it's not normal to always feel tired and to be 84 lbs at 6 years old.

This is why, I also believe, that she does not put up a fight with her supplements, Lugol's or Armour. We talked with her. After all it is her health.

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Re: Iodine for kids?

Have you tried to have blood taken from your son yet? If not you never know. Sometimes they surprise you. I really expected a huge fight from my son, he was three at the time and he was quite OK with it. He complains a lot more now (he's 4). One thing I do now is try and coordinate my blood tests with his. We go in together and they take my blood first then his. He is not thrilled about it but he goes along. I usually have to promise him a "surprise" when we are done in order to get him in there in the first place. There is a place for bribery.Don't know if any of this helps.IreneAt 06:48 AM 9/18/2006, you wrote:

My daughter 9 years old, hypothyroid and on Armour. My son is 5, and I've been taking his temps the last few days, and they are around 97ish (I haven't gotten him before he starts moving the morning yet). He was slow to talk, slo to potty train, studders, but his gross motor skills are very advanced. He's not much for sitting still, but still takes naps. Aside from tranquilization, I have no idea how to get a blood test from him ;-) I would like to start supplementing both of them with Lugol's, maybe I can get my daughters thyroid working on its own, and perhaps I an relieve my sons symptoms and avoid the need for Armour. Does anybody have any idea how much iodine would be necessary for kids? My daughter weighs around 80 lbs, my son around 45ish. Best, Handcrafted Jewelry ~ http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.comCurly Horse Rescue ~ http://www.CurlyRescue.com ~If you can stay calm, while all around you is chaos...then you probably haven't completely understood the situation.~~Flashlights are tubular metal containers for thepurpose of storing dead batteries.~

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Has no one suggested using EMLA (Lidocaine) cream for needle sticks for

these little ones? It's rather pricey and you need a script, but

invaluable to have when you have little ones who are going to have more

than the usual amount of exposure to needles. Apply it topically about

an hour before the stick and they don't feel a thing. When I had my

then 2 yo. give a blood draw of five vials, he buried his head in my

shoulder and never felt a thing. The phlebotomist was amazed. It

stays effective for years, too, so the investment is well worth it.

wrote:

s used to freak at the site

of needles too. But I talked with her.

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>From: " Ives " <mives@...>

>Interesting, Skipper. My son has never been a good eater at all. And to

>look at him, he is very muscular and well-developed for a 5 year old. He's

>rather " ripped " and buff looking,

Hypothyroidism causes muscle swelling. I'm not sure what it's called, but

it makes the muscles appear a bit larger. I'm not sure it's always

" hoffman's " , but they do swell up.

HYPO SYMPTOMS ONLY

Enlarged muscle fibers with muscle weakness (Hoffman's syndrome)

>and peanut butter crackers.

Peanuts are goitrogens. I don't know if peanut butter is. (Of course, read

labels and don't buy the soy kind.) Crackers are on the level of cookies.

>Technically, his speech is " within the average range " whatever that is, but

>he's far on the slower side.

I think that many children who need speech therapy are that way because they

are hypo.

It also greatly affects the attitude. I put one of my son's on Armour

because he started whining, crying, and covering up with a blanket in the

summer time. When I put him on Armour the house got much more peaceful.

Thyroid affects emotions. (I remember wanting to cry all the time over

stupid things. I didn't do it on the outside because I'm male, but I sure

felt like crying all the time when I was severely hypothyroid.) I think

that son was hypo because of the braces and because of the fluoride dental

rinse his orthodontist gave him. Of course, now if I saw something like

that in the house I'd throw it down the drain. He's not on Armour any more.

He just needed it during that period of time.

>and did while I

>was pregnant even. I was extremely hypo while pregnant with him, this

>pregnancy was the one that sent me spiraling down in the dumps to the point

>where I was barely functioning at all.

Low thyroid during pregnancy makes the child much more likely to be

hypothyroid. It's not a good time, and the doctor should have treated.

Skipper

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Hmm, thanks for the info : )

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Re: Iodine for kids?

Has no one suggested using EMLA (Lidocaine) cream for needle sticks for these little ones? It's rather pricey and you need a script, but invaluable to have when you have little ones who are going to have more than the usual amount of exposure to needles. Apply it topically about an hour before the stick and they don't feel a thing. When I had my then 2 yo. give a blood draw of five vials, he buried his head in my shoulder and never felt a thing. The phlebotomist was amazed. It stays effective for years, too, so the investment is well worth it. wrote:

s used to freak at the site of needles too. But I talked with her.

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My son was also evaluated, and she told me that it ws not uncommon, and he just needed to slow down and think about what he wanted to say. He didn't show any problems with eye contact, etc. His did not onset, he was slow to begin to talk (well, slow compared to my daughter who never shuts up) , and as he progressed to sentences he began to studder because he couldn't get the words out as fast as he wanted them to, mostly in trying to get his point across to his sister.

I was told he would grow out of it (and he has gotten much better in the past 6 months), and didn't require any kind of therapy.

Best, Handcrafted Jewelry ~ http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.comCurly Horse Rescue ~ http://www.CurlyRescue.com

~If you can stay calm, while all around you is chaos...then you probably haven't completely understood the situation.~~Flashlights are tubular metal containers for thepurpose of storing dead batteries.~

I just wanted to comment that my , age 6, who also has Hashi's, stutters to. I had her "evaluated" by a speech pathologist at the school and they said she had a mild speech disfluency that may or may not go away with time. Her onset was around the age of 5. They denied her SPED services. All I requested through the school was some speech therapy. She doesn't seem to get as upset as you describe your son doing. But we take her to private speech therapist just the same. It has helped immensely.

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Hmmm, I hadn't thought of that, good idea! I'll have to talk to my doc. about it.

Best, Handcrafted Jewelry ~ http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.comCurly Horse Rescue ~ http://www.CurlyRescue.com

~If you can stay calm, while all around you is chaos...then you probably haven't completely understood the situation.~~Flashlights are tubular metal containers for thepurpose of storing dead batteries.~

Has no one suggested using EMLA (Lidocaine) cream for needle sticks for these little ones? It's rather pricey and you need a script, but invaluable to have when you have little ones who are going to have more than the usual amount of exposure to needles. Apply it topically about an hour before the stick and they don't feel a thing. When I had my then 2 yo. give a blood draw of five vials, he buried his head in my shoulder and never felt a thing. The phlebotomist was amazed. It stays effective for years, too, so the investment is well worth it.

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One thing to remember with Emla cream is not to leave it on too long either as the numbness will wear off.  Most of the time they won't recommend this unless the child is having to endure repetitive routine blood draws.  I don't know why they don't use it more often other than the fact that they don't really give a hoot whether it causes a kid anxiety.   LinnOn Sep 19, 2006, at 12:03 PM, Ives wrote:Hmmm, I hadn't thought of that, good idea! I'll have to talk to my doc. about it. Best, Handcrafted Jewelry ~ http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.comCurly Horse Rescue ~ http://www.CurlyRescue.com ~If you can stay calm, while all around you is chaos...then   you probably haven't completely understood the situation.~~Flashlights are tubular metal containers for thepurpose of storing dead batteries.~Has no one suggested using EMLA (Lidocaine) cream for needle sticks for these little ones?  It's rather pricey and you need a script, but invaluable to have when you have little ones who are going to have more than the usual amount of exposure to needles.  Apply it topically about an hour before the stick and they don't feel a thing.  When I had my then 2 yo. give a blood draw of five vials, he buried his head in my shoulder and never felt a thing.  The phlebotomist was amazed.  It stays effective for years, too, so the investment is well worth it.. 

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I'm going to see a new doctor myself next month, she is a Broda doc. My daughter is currently seeing her, and I'm going to talk to her about my son when I'm there (it takes 3 months for an appt., so I'll see if I can pick her brain there). If she wants to run labs on him, I'll get her to rx. the Lidocaine.

I took my sons temp again this morning, it was 96.4, then the second one was 95.9. He's definately low temp, so I'm going to continue looking into this. I have found out that my water is very high in calcium and iron, and I'm looking into a water softener. Iron is very inflammatory, and high calcium imbalances magnesium, zinc and potassium. Its very possible that this is the root cause of all our problems. I was not diagnosed hypothyroid until I lived here for a few years. My daughter is 9 and already hypo, and now my son with the low body temp. I also have 2 horses living here with low body temps, and the only thing similar is the water and air that we share. Its too much coincidence.

Best, Handcrafted Jewelry ~ http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.comCurly Horse Rescue ~ http://www.CurlyRescue.com

~If you can stay calm, while all around you is chaos...then you probably haven't completely understood the situation.~~Flashlights are tubular metal containers for thepurpose of storing dead batteries.~

Re: Iodine for kids?

One thing to remember with Emla cream is not to leave it on too long either as the numbness will wear off. Most of the time they won't recommend this unless the child is having to endure repetitive routine blood draws. I don't know why they don't use it more often other than the fact that they don't really give a hoot whether it causes a kid anxiety.

Linn

On Sep 19, 2006, at 12:03 PM, Ives wrote:

Hmmm, I hadn't thought of that, good idea! I'll have to talk to my doc. about it.

Best, Handcrafted Jewelry ~ http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.comCurly Horse Rescue ~ http://www.CurlyRescue.com

~If you can stay calm, while all around you is chaos...then you probably haven't completely understood the situation.~~Flashlights are tubular metal containers for thepurpose of storing dead batteries.~

Has no one suggested using EMLA (Lidocaine) cream for needle sticks for these little ones? It's rather pricey and you need a script, but invaluable to have when you have little ones who are going to have more than the usual amount of exposure to needles. Apply it topically about an hour before the stick and they don't feel a thing. When I had my then 2 yo. give a blood draw of five vials, he buried his head in my shoulder and never felt a thing. The phlebotomist was amazed. It stays effective for years, too, so the investment is well worth it.

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Right. I usually brought the tube along and if we were longer than an

hour after the application, I'd reapply as needed until the time for

the stick. Fortunately, we typically weren't held up very long. It

has astonished me at how surprised most of the professionals were at

this particular application of the stuff. It isn't a huge paradigm

shift, after all.

Linn wrote:

One thing to remember with Emla cream is not to leave it on too

long either as the numbness will wear off. Most of the time they won't

recommend this unless the child is having to endure repetitive routine

blood draws. I don't know why they don't use it more often other than

the fact that they don't really give a hoot whether it causes a kid

anxiety.