Does anyone know the shelf-life of Epsom Salts?

[Guest guest]

I did a Hulda liver cleanse recently and got no stones. I had

not done a cleanse for almost a year and was expecting to produce many

stones - didn't happen. This was my 5th life-time cleanse over the

past 2.5 years. Either I have no gallstones to expel or the magnesium

sulfate was no good. I think I've had it in a semi-open container for

2 years. Anyone have any info on the shelf-life and storag of MgSO4?

I searched searched and searched on the net and found almost nothing on

the topic. Thanks to all who respond!

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I don't know what would change in the Epsoms over time unless it just

absorbed moisture. This wouldn't destroy it's effectiveness. I would

speculate you could narrow down the cause of no stones to two possible

explanations:

1) You don't have any stones due to great diet, lifestyle, and

supplements (you would know if this fits or not).

2) You have stones that were so entrenched your flush didn't dislodge

them. A more intense preparation phase and another flush 2 weeks or

more from now would help that. This would include a colon cleanse,

parasite cleanse, liver support, and stone softening. Organic apple

juice daily, herbs (curcuma, gold coin grass, milk thistle, coptis -

see Dr. Chang's website), good oils, and lecithin can help with

the liver support and stone softening. This is not meant to be an

exhaustive list of all that you can do to prepare for a successful

flush, but you get the picture...

Please let us know if you try again, what your results are, and what

you did differently.

Best Regards,

Vince

>

> I did a Hulda liver cleanse recently and got no stones. I had

> not done a cleanse for almost a year and was expecting to produce many

> stones - didn't happen. This was my 5th life-time cleanse over the

> past 2.5 years. Either I have no gallstones to expel or the magnesium

> sulfate was no good. I think I've had it in a semi-open container for

> 2 years. Anyone have any info on the shelf-life and storag of MgSO4?

> I searched searched and searched on the net and found almost nothing on

> the topic. Thanks to all who respond!

>

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

From: lizsapar<mailto:lizsapar@...>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 8:02 AM

Subject: Does anyone know the shelf-life of Epsom Salts?

Anyone have any info on the shelf-life and storag of MgSO4?

Forever, unless exposed to a reactive agent.

[Guest guest]

Great Liz! I vote for you are free of gall stones right now due to

your change in diet. This is why I think that:

I just last night did my 9th flush in about 2 years. I got no stones

except a few chaff and pinhead size things that I wouldn't have gone

to the trouble of flushing for. I had to flush to know I have reached

the bottom of the stone problem. My first flush I got about 50 marble

or larger size stones. the next one I got about 200 smaller ones.

More flushes of from 200 to 450 stones each added up to over 2000

stones: Hulda 's number of stones that we must remover before

ridding ourselves of allregies permanently. (I used to have terrible

allergies but now have none). The last couple of flushes have been

done about 6 months apart and have only gotten about 50 tiny stones

out each time. I thought I may be nearing the " end " of flushing

except for the maintenence phase. I purposely waited a few months

each time to see if I would make more stones (so the flush was worth

the trouble). I have been getting my diet straightened out little by

little and I have totally eliminated hydrolyzed oils, vegetable oils,

white flour, sugar. I try to eat some raw foods all along. I take a

mixture almost every day of fennel, milk thistle, cayenne, turmeric,

flax seed, and lecithin. I've also done oral chelation and have had

12 amalgam fillings removed in the last few years. My cholesterol is

about 180 and I'm 48 years old. I've done kidney flushes, colon

flushes, and parasite cleanses. I take colloidal silver just to help

the ol immune system stay on top of everything. I drink Kombucha Tea

and Kefir for what that's worth. I also like to buy organic apple

juice by the gallon and drink it regularly. I'm sure I do a lot of

other " extra " things that I do automatically and can't think of off

the top of my head.

My conclusion is: liver flushing does what " they " say it does. It

removes gallstones without surgery. Liver flushing must NOT make

stones from oil and grapefruit juice, other wise noone would ever quit

getting stones out no matter how many times they flushed. Changing

the diet and lifestyle to make less stones works, and flushing the

stones works. I think we've proved that, and I'm pretty happy about it

I think we've achieved that illusive dream, for now, of being

gallstone free. We need to keep it up, because modern technology

makes the purest garbage taste good and then they put it on our

grocer's shelves with attractive labels. It would be easy to slip and

be back where we started, but we won't let that happen.

Best regards,

Vince

> >

> > I did a Hulda liver cleanse recently and got no stones. I had

> > not done a cleanse for almost a year and was expecting to produce

many

> > stones - didn't happen. This was my 5th life-time cleanse over the

> > past 2.5 years. Either I have no gallstones to expel or the

magnesium

> > sulfate was no good. I think I've had it in a semi-open container

for

> > 2 years. Anyone have any info on the shelf-life and storag of

MgSO4?

> > I searched searched and searched on the net and found almost

nothing on

> > the topic. Thanks to all who respond!

[Guest guest]

When was the last time you had a gallbladder attack Vince?Just

wondering if doing all this does indeed take away the attacks.

>

> I just last night did my 9th flush in about 2 years. I got no

stones

> except a few chaff and pinhead size things that I wouldn't have gone

> to the trouble of flushing for. I had to flush to know I have

reached

> the bottom of the stone problem. My first flush I got about 50

marble

> or larger size stones. the next one I got about 200 smaller ones.

> More flushes of from 200 to 450 stones each added up to over 2000

> stones: Hulda 's number of stones that we must remover before

> ridding ourselves of allregies permanently. (I used to have

terrible

> allergies but now have none). The last couple of flushes have been

> done about 6 months apart and have only gotten about 50 tiny stones

> out each time. I thought I may be nearing the " end " of flushing

> except for the maintenence phase. I purposely waited a few months

> each time to see if I would make more stones (so the flush was worth

> the trouble). I have been getting my diet straightened out little

by

> little and I have totally eliminated hydrolyzed oils, vegetable

oils,

> white flour, sugar. I try to eat some raw foods all along. I take

a

> mixture almost every day of fennel, milk thistle, cayenne, turmeric,

> flax seed, and lecithin. I've also done oral chelation and have had

> 12 amalgam fillings removed in the last few years. My cholesterol

is

> about 180 and I'm 48 years old. I've done kidney flushes, colon

> flushes, and parasite cleanses. I take colloidal silver just to

help

> the ol immune system stay on top of everything. I drink Kombucha

Tea

> and Kefir for what that's worth. I also like to buy organic apple

> juice by the gallon and drink it regularly. I'm sure I do a lot of

> other " extra " things that I do automatically and can't think of off

> the top of my head.

>

> My conclusion is: liver flushing does what " they " say it does. It

> removes gallstones without surgery. Liver flushing must NOT make

> stones from oil and grapefruit juice, other wise noone would ever

quit

> getting stones out no matter how many times they flushed. Changing

> the diet and lifestyle to make less stones works, and flushing the

> stones works. I think we've proved that, and I'm pretty happy

about it

>

> I think we've achieved that illusive dream, for now, of being

> gallstone free. We need to keep it up, because modern technology

> makes the purest garbage taste good and then they put it on our

> grocer's shelves with attractive labels. It would be easy to slip

and

> be back where we started, but we won't let that happen.

>

> Best regards,

>

> Vince

>

>

> > Hi,

> >

> > I don't know what would change in the Epsoms over time unless it

just

> > absorbed moisture. This wouldn't destroy it's effectiveness. I

would

> > speculate you could narrow down the cause of no stones to two

possible

> > explanations:

> >

> > 1) You don't have any stones due to great diet, lifestyle, and

> > supplements (you would know if this fits or not).

> >

> > 2) You have stones that were so entrenched your flush didn't

dislodge

> > them. A more intense preparation phase and another flush 2 weeks

or

> > more from now would help that. This would include a colon

cleanse,

> > parasite cleanse, liver support, and stone softening. Organic

apple

> > juice daily, herbs (curcuma, gold coin grass, milk thistle,

coptis -

> > see Dr. Chang's website), good oils, and lecithin can help

with

> > the liver support and stone softening. This is not meant to be an

> > exhaustive list of all that you can do to prepare for a successful

> > flush, but you get the picture...

> >

> > Please let us know if you try again, what your results are, and

what

> > you did differently.

> >

> > Best Regards,

> >

> > Vince

> >

> > --- In gallstones , " lizsapar " <lizsapar@y...>

wrote:

> > >

> > > I did a Hulda liver cleanse recently and got no stones.

I had

> > > not done a cleanse for almost a year and was expecting to

produce

> many

> > > stones - didn't happen. This was my 5th life-time cleanse over

the

> > > past 2.5 years. Either I have no gallstones to expel or the

> magnesium

> > > sulfate was no good. I think I've had it in a semi-open

container

> for

> > > 2 years. Anyone have any info on the shelf-life and storag of

> MgSO4?

> > > I searched searched and searched on the net and found almost

> nothing on

> > > the topic. Thanks to all who respond!

>

[Guest guest]

I would be interested in the answer also. I've known several people who had

their gall

bladder removed and still have pain. I presume it was from the unexpelled stones

in

their liver.

Kathleen

On 27 Nov 2005 at 4:45, wrote:

> When was the last time you had a gallbladder attack Vince?Just

> wondering if doing all this does indeed take away the attacks.

[Guest guest]

,

WOW - you really have taken a brillliant path to good health. Right ON!!

<mashelle68@...> wrote:

When was the last time you had a gallbladder attack Vince?Just

wondering if doing all this does indeed take away the attacks.

>

> I just last night did my 9th flush in about 2 years. I got no

stones

> except a few chaff and pinhead size things that I wouldn't have gone

> to the trouble of flushing for. I had to flush to know I have

reached

> the bottom of the stone problem. My first flush I got about 50

marble

> or larger size stones. the next one I got about 200 smaller ones.

> More flushes of from 200 to 450 stones each added up to over 2000

> stones: Hulda 's number of stones that we must remover before

> ridding ourselves of allregies permanently. (I used to have

terrible

> allergies but now have none). The last couple of flushes have been

> done about 6 months apart and have only gotten about 50 tiny stones

> out each time. I thought I may be nearing the " end " of flushing

> except for the maintenence phase. I purposely waited a few months

> each time to see if I would make more stones (so the flush was worth

> the trouble). I have been getting my diet straightened out little

by

> little and I have totally eliminated hydrolyzed oils, vegetable

oils,

> white flour, sugar. I try to eat some raw foods all along. I take

a

> mixture almost every day of fennel, milk thistle, cayenne, turmeric,

> flax seed, and lecithin. I've also done oral chelation and have had

> 12 amalgam fillings removed in the last few years. My cholesterol

is

> about 180 and I'm 48 years old. I've done kidney flushes, colon

> flushes, and parasite cleanses. I take colloidal silver just to

help

> the ol immune system stay on top of everything. I drink Kombucha

Tea

> and Kefir for what that's worth. I also like to buy organic apple

> juice by the gallon and drink it regularly. I'm sure I do a lot of

> other " extra " things that I do automatically and can't think of off

> the top of my head.

>

> My conclusion is: liver flushing does what " they " say it does. It

> removes gallstones without surgery. Liver flushing must NOT make

> stones from oil and grapefruit juice, other wise noone would ever

quit

> getting stones out no matter how many times they flushed. Changing

> the diet and lifestyle to make less stones works, and flushing the

> stones works. I think we've proved that, and I'm pretty happy

about it

>

> I think we've achieved that illusive dream, for now, of being

> gallstone free. We need to keep it up, because modern technology

> makes the purest garbage taste good and then they put it on our

> grocer's shelves with attractive labels. It would be easy to slip

and

> be back where we started, but we won't let that happen.

>

> Best regards,

>

> Vince

>

>

> > Hi,

> >

> > I don't know what would change in the Epsoms over time unless it

just

> > absorbed moisture. This wouldn't destroy it's effectiveness. I

would

> > speculate you could narrow down the cause of no stones to two

possible

> > explanations:

> >

> > 1) You don't have any stones due to great diet, lifestyle, and

> > supplements (you would know if this fits or not).

> >

> > 2) You have stones that were so entrenched your flush didn't

dislodge

> > them. A more intense preparation phase and another flush 2 weeks

or

> > more from now would help that. This would include a colon

cleanse,

> > parasite cleanse, liver support, and stone softening. Organic

apple

> > juice daily, herbs (curcuma, gold coin grass, milk thistle,

coptis -

> > see Dr. Chang's website), good oils, and lecithin can help

with

> > the liver support and stone softening. This is not meant to be an

> > exhaustive list of all that you can do to prepare for a successful

> > flush, but you get the picture...

> >

> > Please let us know if you try again, what your results are, and

what

> > you did differently.

> >

> > Best Regards,

> >

> > Vince

> >

> > --- In gallstones , " lizsapar " <lizsapar@y...>

wrote:

> > >

> > > I did a Hulda liver cleanse recently and got no stones.

I had

> > > not done a cleanse for almost a year and was expecting to

produce

> many

> > > stones - didn't happen. This was my 5th life-time cleanse over

the

> > > past 2.5 years. Either I have no gallstones to expel or the

> magnesium

> > > sulfate was no good. I think I've had it in a semi-open

container

> for

> > > 2 years. Anyone have any info on the shelf-life and storag of

> MgSO4?

> > > I searched searched and searched on the net and found almost

> nothing on

> > > the topic. Thanks to all who respond!

>

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Vince,

I sent a response to that I think I should have sent to you,

essentially congratulating you for a brilliant health practice. It is so good

to know people can do it - that is not " eat " what the MD-surgeons feed us about

gallbladder removal. Taking control over one's health involves good ol common

sense

Liz

Vince Richter <new_man85@...> wrote:

Great Liz! I vote for you are free of gall stones right now due to

your change in diet. This is why I think that:

I just last night did my 9th flush in about 2 years. I got no stones

except a few chaff and pinhead size things that I wouldn't have gone

to the trouble of flushing for. I had to flush to know I have reached

the bottom of the stone problem. My first flush I got about 50 marble

or larger size stones. the next one I got about 200 smaller ones.

More flushes of from 200 to 450 stones each added up to over 2000

stones: Hulda 's number of stones that we must remover before

ridding ourselves of allregies permanently. (I used to have terrible

allergies but now have none). The last couple of flushes have been

done about 6 months apart and have only gotten about 50 tiny stones

out each time. I thought I may be nearing the " end " of flushing

except for the maintenence phase. I purposely waited a few months

each time to see if I would make more stones (so the flush was worth

the trouble). I have been getting my diet straightened out little by

little and I have totally eliminated hydrolyzed oils, vegetable oils,

white flour, sugar. I try to eat some raw foods all along. I take a

mixture almost every day of fennel, milk thistle, cayenne, turmeric,

flax seed, and lecithin. I've also done oral chelation and have had

12 amalgam fillings removed in the last few years. My cholesterol is

about 180 and I'm 48 years old. I've done kidney flushes, colon

flushes, and parasite cleanses. I take colloidal silver just to help

the ol immune system stay on top of everything. I drink Kombucha Tea

and Kefir for what that's worth. I also like to buy organic apple

juice by the gallon and drink it regularly. I'm sure I do a lot of

other " extra " things that I do automatically and can't think of off

the top of my head.

My conclusion is: liver flushing does what " they " say it does. It

removes gallstones without surgery. Liver flushing must NOT make

stones from oil and grapefruit juice, other wise noone would ever quit

getting stones out no matter how many times they flushed. Changing

the diet and lifestyle to make less stones works, and flushing the

stones works. I think we've proved that, and I'm pretty happy about it

I think we've achieved that illusive dream, for now, of being

gallstone free. We need to keep it up, because modern technology

makes the purest garbage taste good and then they put it on our

grocer's shelves with attractive labels. It would be easy to slip and

be back where we started, but we won't let that happen.

Best regards,

Vince

> >

> > I did a Hulda liver cleanse recently and got no stones. I had

> > not done a cleanse for almost a year and was expecting to produce

many

> > stones - didn't happen. This was my 5th life-time cleanse over the

> > past 2.5 years. Either I have no gallstones to expel or the

magnesium

> > sulfate was no good. I think I've had it in a semi-open container

for

> > 2 years. Anyone have any info on the shelf-life and storag of

MgSO4?

> > I searched searched and searched on the net and found almost

nothing on

> > the topic. Thanks to all who respond!

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the removal of stones also has to do with the olive oil and whatever

juice you used along with it

if you have a clogged bowel or parasites then you will get stones a

couple of days later (assuming you did not expel the epson salt and water/

grapefruit juice in diarhea.)

if that is the case maybe need some other means of helping it

come out laxative/enema suppository

lizsapar wrote:

> I did a Hulda liver cleanse recently and got no stones.

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I've never had a gallbladder attack. My strategy is to prevent one so

I never have one. There are several people on the list who can answer

you with first hand info. Hopefully they'll chime in. The archives

are full of the accounts also.

My take on all that I've read is: yes, doing ALL this will take away

permanently gall bladder attacks. The other side is that doing SOME

but NOT ALL of this will not necessarilly permanently take away

gallbladder attacks or even prevent surgery. Doing the diet changes,

herbs and foods that support the gall bladder and soften stones, and

the flushes will get rid of the stones and heal your liver and

gallbladder. The trick is to be dedicated and diligent enough to

ensure your success.

Best Regards,

Vince

>

> When was the last time you had a gallbladder attack Vince?Just

> wondering if doing all this does indeed take away the attacks.

> >

[Guest guest]

Thanks Liz. " Taking control over one's health involves good ol common

sense " and a whole lot of effort and a willingness to be different in

order to be better off. Swimming up stream is much harder than

floating with the current, but the water is much cleaner

Vince

>

> Vince,

> I sent a response to that I think I should have sent to

you, essentially congratulating you for a brilliant health practice.

It is so good to know people can do it - that is not " eat " what the

MD-surgeons feed us about gallbladder removal. Taking control over

one's health involves good ol common sense

> Liz