Food for thought...

January 6, 1999

> Food for thought...

Hello Mr Hurt,

I just visited your web page on food supplements and cancer and was

HORRIFIED! You ask readers to inform you of any errors, but to be honest,

there are so many on that page I do not know where to begin! You claim not

to give medical advice, but that is EXACTLY what you do on this page under

the " Garlic, Cayenne, and Ginger Sandwich " heading. The very first line of

this section states: " Garlic kills cancer - it is a natural antibiotic "

These two " facts " are completely unrelated, an antibiotic is a compound

that kills bacteria, and I am aware of NO evidence that a bacterial

infection can cause cancer. If you are aware of a SCIENTIFIC study that

refutes this, please send the reference to the above email address and I

will eagerly read it.

I would also appreciate seeing the SCIENTIFIC studies that back up your

many other claims on this webpage, especially the " facts " that " garlic kills

cancer " and the fact that wearing a bra can cause breast cancer! Sentences

like " A Garlic poultice will kill cancer cells, even if applied over the

skin above the affected area, even for deep tumors " NEED a reference to a

SCIENTIFIC study to back up their validity, otherwise you are giving false

hope to already desperate people (i.e. cancer patients). As I read your web

page I did not know whether to laugh at the " facts " presented, or cry in

sympathy for the people who would read this and believe it.

Please if you have ANY proof of ANY of your claims (and I mean real,

scientifically valid proof) put references to the studies on your web page

(so that interested individuals can research it for themselves), if not

then, in all good conscience, you should remove this material from public

view where it probably does more harm than good.

Sincerely,

J. Hey, Ph.D.

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Dr. J:

You have made very good points in your suggestion that I show scientific

proofs or remove the material from my web site at

http://www.datadepo.com/cures for cancer for giving false hope. I have no

practical rebuttal and no scientific proofs. However, I do have the

following unscientific, impractical, and absurdly mindless rebuttal that can

be food for your thought:

1. I have seen no scientific proof that the remedies presented do not work,

and I have read substantial testimony from a medical doctor indicating that

they do work. His name is Dr. Schulze. He practices in Santa

, CA. You can get his contact info from my references page, and read

his materials at http://www.healthfree.com as well as another reference I do

not recall right now at http://www.datadepo.com/cures for cancer/cancerlinks.hts.

2. The real false hope given to people by the medical establishment at

unbelievably astronomical prices is some piece of work. Where is its

scientific proof? I point you to G. 's book " World Without

Cancer " which presents irrefutable proof that cancer treatments typical of

the medical establishment are not only ineffective, but in many cases

actually bogus. In other words, people actually live longer with

alternative treatments than they do with surgery, chemotherapy, and

radiation, the common " treatments " from medicos. People flock to the

doctors to get cured of cancer because they trust doctors, even though most

are condescending and scoff at patients' efforts to find alternative cures

when the doctor cures don't work.

3. While herbalists, naturopaths, and alternative treatment practitioners

DO work to earn a living, the amount of money they suck from sick people is

far less than the medical establishment sucks. A major reason for this is

the pressure applied by the conspiratorial economic network made up of

medical doctors controlled by the A.M.A., pharmaceutical companies, and

insurance companies. If THEY were doing their job, cancer would be cured by

now and there would be no interest by anyone in alternatives that offer SOME

KIND OF HOPE to counterbalance utter paucity of hope epidemic in the medical

community.

4. Pompous, incredulous attitudes by educated pseudo-scientists do much to

dissuade the common man from seeking or believing in alternatives to

organized medicine. However, alternatives abound, and people flock to them

because they see others around them suffering and dying like flies while

medicos who were supposed to cure them carry home fat, insurance-subsidized

paychecks of $150,000 to millions a year. The common man would prefer to

suffer excoriation and humiliation at the hands of people like you than to

die prematurely in a shriveled, miserable, cancer-ridden knot of

putrifescent flesh and bone.

5. They actually do get hope from cheap and effective alternative

treatments like garlic, essential fatty acids, hot-cold showers, bacteria

and virus suppressents like cat's claw and echinacea, juice of wheat and

barley grasses, mistletoe, burdock root, red clover, milk thistle, slippery

elm bark, turkey rhubarb, a score of antioxidants, oxygen therapy, elements

like selenium and germanium, vitamins like C-E-A-B17, and various electronic

devices. They SHOULD get hope. Even if it is profoundly difficult to hit

upon the right combination of treatments, the cost is pale in contrast to

medical treatments that actually kill people and make them feel miserable

till they die anyway.

6. Let's face it: we are all going to die anyway. Typically, the best you

can hope for from any cancer cure is 30 or 40 more years of life, and most

people who get cancer do not survive 5 years. So, the truth is: the only

hope any of us have for a long life is a FALSE HOPE (and I think 150 to 200

years is a moderately short life). We should be living 500 years, not just

80 years (and 80% of the men over 80 have developed prostate cancer). And

you quibble with me over whether garlic gives false hope? What planet are

you from?

7. On top of all this, I personally do not know a single person who from an

early age has injested daily amounts of raw garlic or amygdalin-bearing

seeds like apricot kernels and apple seeds and who got cancer. Do you?

Furthermore, I do not know or know of a single person with cancer who has

used the garlic compresses and eaten 5 to 10 fat garlic cloves with a

tablespoon of cayenne a day who has NOT alleviated the symptoms and outlived

doctors' expectations or actually cured cancer. Do you? I do not know of

any group of dead cancer patients treated with chemotherapy or radiation who

would not have lived longer and with less suffering had they used the kinds

of alternatives mentioned here. Do you?

8. I think the burden of proof is on you, Dr. J. I do not accept that

burden. What is the alternative to alternative treatments? It is organized

medicine, of course, and statistically it has failed miserably at curing or

even treating cancer. It has done this to the tune of billions of dollars a

year in treatments that have left people bald, emaciated, debilitated,

depressed, demoralized, burdens on their families and the national

economies, sicker than they were before, and facing certain premature death.

While largely ignoring alternative treatments that remain unfunded, official

and institutional cancer research spends megafortunes arriving at

ineffectual treatments that cost patients even more fortunes. All we can do

is sit out here and marvel at the charade that passes for cancer research.

That and indulge our interest in cost-effective alternatives.

9. I have emphesyma. It is a lousy disease, but I am not in pain. I went

to a Chinese medicine practitioner, an actual doctor, not in medicine, but

in biochemistry. He provides pills that had ingredients with weird-looking

Chinese names translated into English. He charges $90 a month, and the

pills are somewhat different for different kinds of emphesyma patients. I

asked how it worked. He said it was not as much biochemical in nature as

energy-flow in nature. he prescribes special exercises to go along with the

pills. Lung function improves, sometimes as much as 30%, with duration.

There is no " scientific research " to back up chinese medicine like this.

But it has been working for 4,000 years or more to cure all kinds of woes.

Just wait till I get some of THEIR cancer cures on my web site. You are

going to have a field day. Research indeed!

10. I think you should write to Andy Rooney about this issue. I would love

to hear him tear into it on 60 minutes. He would probably settle the

argument this way:

" Out of every 9 people with cancer,

a. Three are not allowed any treatment at all, but MUST eat a high-protein

sugarless diet with daily portions of linseed oil and cottage cheese.

b. Three have to get surgery, chemo, and radiation to treat their cancer,

no matter what it is.

c. Three have to get only apricot kernels, cholostrum, garlic, essiac,

cancell, and the hoxsey formula.

There is no choice in this. The first, fourth, and seventh get method a,

and so on. We will keep careful records for 10 years and throw out the two

loser methods. "

Rooney has a way of trimming the fat from a dispute, doesn't he?

Anyway, Dr. J, you did make a good point and I want to acknowledge that. I

really do not have any scientific research. I would like to have some.

Would you like to participate in a study? Could you enlist the assistance

of any of your colleagues?

By the way, do you have cancer, or do you know anyone who has it?

Warmest regards,

Hurt

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December 10, 2006

We all know that Iodine is the fuel for our thyroids. The thyroid's

job is to make thyroid hormones. Thyroid hormones directly influence

each and every single one of the trillions (my kids would say

go-jillion) cells in our bodies. Each and Every single cell. I'm

told no other organ in the body can boast that- not even the heart

(Corneas have no direct blood supply for example). Following that

train of thought, why wouldn't iodine play some part in how our bodies

deal with disease of any and every sort, no matter the cause- even

genetic?

E (Ellen in Missouri)

December 10, 2006

well here's the thing, ellen. I have Hashi's....but I'm not a cretin

(honest, i'm not):-) - so obviously I don't have severe iodine

deficiency...so severe iodine deficiency doesn't quite explain my

Hashi's.

cindi

>

> We all know that Iodine is the fuel for our thyroids. The thyroid's

> job is to make thyroid hormones. Thyroid hormones directly influence

> each and every single one of the trillions (my kids would say

> go-jillion) cells in our bodies. Each and Every single cell. I'm

> told no other organ in the body can boast that- not even the heart

> (Corneas have no direct blood supply for example). Following that

> train of thought, why wouldn't iodine play some part in how our bodies

> deal with disease of any and every sort, no matter the cause- even

> genetic?

December 10, 2006

I think maybe you misunderstand- if I read your post correctly. Holy

cow, my daughter has Hashi's and she's no cretin either! BTW

Cretinism happens during development, so you can have myxedema to the

point of coma and death and not be a cretin. You might google

cretinism and Hashimoto's and see what it is so I don't take up more

space here than necessary. My daughter got Hashi's at a very early

age, yet is not suffering from cretinism either, yet is very sick.

Would iodine help her? I don't know- that's why I'm here, to become

informed. Can iodine influence her disease (one way or the other) you

bet. Question is, would it be for better or worse?

Hashi's is by definition autoimmune. You may have enough iodine and

not be using it particularily well. The antibodies are damaging your

thyroid and so it can't produce the hormone particularily well either

and causes your problem. Could giving your thyroid a burst of iodine

influence this? As long as you have functioning tissue, you bet!...

but would it be for better or worse? This can be influenced by

anything from selenium, magnesium, hormones, etc. Either way, I

guarantee you if you are not on thyroid replacement of some sort, you

stop all iodine (diet and otherwise), you will go into myxedema coma

and die- that is the nature of being human. The only animal I know of

that absolutely can survive for years without a thyroid or replacement

is a horse.

My point was that as long as we have thyroid tissue still functioning

(and maybe I should have said it this way) we are being influenced by

iodine, good or bad. In that way, iodine plays a part in every disease

and disorder we may have. Sometimes it's huge (such as Graves or

thyroid cancer) sometimes very little.

I'm here because I want to learn more about iodine and supplementation

options etc. I just hate seeing posts that forget that there is much

yet that is unknown about our bodies and our world. When someone

makes a definitive, blanket statement that I know is not factual, I

can't help it, I am compelled to post that it is not ALWAYS (blanket)

true, and why. If I didn't and no one else did, I would feel awful

thinking I didn't say a thing and now everyone here feels the info is

factual when in reality it may not be. Knowing the difference could

change someone's life, possibly a lurker out there we never hear from.

My intent certainly is never to offend.

We all have things to share, and things to learn and that's why I

stepped beyond my lurker (learner) status and began to share myself.

E (Ellen in Missouri)

> >

> > We all know that Iodine is the fuel for our thyroids. The thyroid's

> > job is to make thyroid hormones. Thyroid hormones directly influence

> > each and every single one of the trillions (my kids would say

> > go-jillion) cells in our bodies. Each and Every single cell. I'm

> > told no other organ in the body can boast that- not even the heart

> > (Corneas have no direct blood supply for example). Following that

> > train of thought, why wouldn't iodine play some part in how our bodies

> > deal with disease of any and every sort, no matter the cause- even

> > genetic?

>

December 10, 2006

i think maybe you did misunderstand...or either we're just confusing

each other (smile) - because I don't disagree with anything you've

written here.

and yes, I understand cretinism...and that was in response to

someone saying Hashi's is the result of iodine deficiency. a

blanket statement. obviously in light of severe iodine deficiency

causing goiter/cretenism...Hashi's is not total iodine

deficiency...and is not that simplistic.

and you also bring up another question I've had...my thyroid is

atrophic...I'm on full replacement...so that does that change my

iodine needs as per iodine loading test?. no answers on that one

yet...

cindi

>

> I think maybe you misunderstand- if I read your post correctly.

Holy

> cow, my daughter has Hashi's and she's no cretin either! BTW

> Cretinism happens during development, so you can have myxedema to

the

> point of coma and death and not be a cretin. You might google

> cretinism and Hashimoto's and see what it is so I don't take up

more

> space here than necessary. My daughter got Hashi's at a very early

> age, yet is not suffering from cretinism either, yet is very sick.

>

> Would iodine help her? I don't know- that's why I'm here, to

become

> informed. Can iodine influence her disease (one way or the other)

you

> bet. Question is, would it be for better or worse?

>

> Hashi's is by definition autoimmune. You may have enough iodine

and

> not be using it particularily well. The antibodies are damaging

your

> thyroid and so it can't produce the hormone particularily well

either

> and causes your problem. Could giving your thyroid a burst of

iodine

> influence this? As long as you have functioning tissue, you

bet!...

> but would it be for better or worse? This can be influenced by

> anything from selenium, magnesium, hormones, etc. Either way, I

> guarantee you if you are not on thyroid replacement of some sort,

you

> stop all iodine (diet and otherwise), you will go into myxedema

coma

> and die- that is the nature of being human. The only animal I know

of

> that absolutely can survive for years without a thyroid or

replacement

> is a horse.

>

> My point was that as long as we have thyroid tissue still

functioning

> (and maybe I should have said it this way) we are being influenced

by

> iodine, good or bad. In that way, iodine plays a part in every

disease

> and disorder we may have. Sometimes it's huge (such as Graves or

> thyroid cancer) sometimes very little.

December 10, 2006

Cindi! Gotcha! We were saying the same thing all along. Grief!

I don't think I can answer your question at the end tho. I'm still at

the learning phase to be sure on the whole iodine needs for autoimmune

thyroid issues. Still struggling to be sure.

I do know this. Usually " full replacement " is a term used by endos to

mean a certain number- I think 150 mcgs of T4, but I could be mistaken

on the number- can't remember to be truthful. This doesn't indicate

that your thyroid is no longer functioning, just the doc's supposition

that with that high a dose that it is probably functioning little if

any. There's a reason the meds go up to 300 mcg's- different people

need different doses. You may have burned out, but the only way

you'll truly know for sure is with a full-body thyrogen scan- not

something I'd personally recommend. You can go to thyca.com for more

info if you're curious what it is.

Hopefully someone else more knowledgeable on the loading test can

answer you on that one. I'm curious myself.

whew! glad we got all that finally straight

E

> >

> > I think maybe you misunderstand- if I read your post correctly.

> Holy

> > cow, my daughter has Hashi's and she's no cretin either! BTW

> > Cretinism happens during development, so you can have myxedema to

> the

> > point of coma and death and not be a cretin. You might google

> > cretinism and Hashimoto's and see what it is so I don't take up

> more

> > space here than necessary. My daughter got Hashi's at a very early

> > age, yet is not suffering from cretinism either, yet is very sick.

> >

> > Would iodine help her? I don't know- that's why I'm here, to

> become

> > informed. Can iodine influence her disease (one way or the other)

> you

> > bet. Question is, would it be for better or worse?

> >

> > Hashi's is by definition autoimmune. You may have enough iodine

> and

> > not be using it particularily well. The antibodies are damaging

> your

> > thyroid and so it can't produce the hormone particularily well

> either

> > and causes your problem. Could giving your thyroid a burst of

> iodine

> > influence this? As long as you have functioning tissue, you

> bet!...

> > but would it be for better or worse? This can be influenced by

> > anything from selenium, magnesium, hormones, etc. Either way, I

> > guarantee you if you are not on thyroid replacement of some sort,

> you

> > stop all iodine (diet and otherwise), you will go into myxedema

> coma

> > and die- that is the nature of being human. The only animal I know

> of

> > that absolutely can survive for years without a thyroid or

> replacement

> > is a horse.

> >

> > My point was that as long as we have thyroid tissue still

> functioning

> > (and maybe I should have said it this way) we are being influenced

> by

> > iodine, good or bad. In that way, iodine plays a part in every

> disease

> > and disorder we may have. Sometimes it's huge (such as Graves or

> > thyroid cancer) sometimes very little.

>

December 10, 2006

www.drbrownstein.com "Iodine, why you need it, Why You Can't Live without it" Your breast tissue in the number two storage site for iodine, after the thyroid (#1) ...for men its the prostate. You still do NEED iodine in your system. karen michigan

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December 10, 2006

I don't see your iodine test results in the database cindi. Why don't you post

them. I hope you are not assuming that an adult would should signs of

cretinism spontaneously once they reach a certain level of iodine deficiency,

it is a developmental condition. Adults would get fun stuff like autoimmune

disease and cancer.

--- cindi22595 <cindi22595@...> wrote:

> well here's the thing, ellen. I have Hashi's....but I'm not a cretin

> (honest, i'm not):-) - so obviously I don't have severe iodine

> deficiency...so severe iodine deficiency doesn't quite explain my

> Hashi's.

> cindi