Re: Losing it again hlep

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Hi Dawn,

I don't take more next time if I miss a dose.I don't know what I can

offer to help, but, is there a reason your daily cycle is so

muddled? That can't be helping. I know I feel worse if I lose my

routine.

Hope you feel better soon.

I'm doing OK thanks for asking, but glad when I've got through this

episode.

Helenx

>

> I went to bed this morning and read until 2 30 yesterday afternoon

> then went to sleep. I got up 2 am had someting to eat, took my

armour

> but wasn't sure what day I was on so don't know how much to take.

I am

> going to go back ot bed now and try to get up at dinner time so I

see

> some day but I am very confused and feel sick. I dont know what I

have

> done, have I taken too much or not enough and do I start on normal

> amount again tomorrow or should i take into acount what i took

tonight

> or does that count as yesterdays? I feel a little dissacociated

and I

> keep fortgetting things really badly. Ihave a frontal headache

again

> and I feel sick again. Don't want another of those horrible

episodes

> where I ednded up in hospital.

>

> I will ocme straight online whne i get up to see if anyone can

help me.

> Luv to all

> Dawnx

>

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> keep fortgetting things really badly. Ihave a frontal headache

again

> and I feel sick again. Don't want another of those horrible

episodes

> where I ednded up in hospital.

>

> I will ocme straight online whne i get up to see if anyone can

help me.

> Luv to all

> Dawnx

Hi Dawn

Can't help with the Armour but just wanted to say I'm sorry you're

feeling bad again and I'm thinking of you. I'll keep an eye out for

your post later. Hoping you feel brighter when you wake. Wish I

could say something more helpful but try not to worry about things

that might never happen. I know that's easier said than done

particularly when you have that " it's happening again " feeling -

that's so scary - but please try to tell yourself everything will be

ok and that somehow you'll find the way through. I'm sure folk will

help you later when you post again.

Sending lots of love your way

x

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HI

I hope you are ok and I will look for your post later, do you usually take your armour at 2am? I guess by doing that you dont really know what day to make that dose, if in doubt I wouldnt take anymore until a new day, I mean in the morning of a new day and that way you can start a regular routine and try and stick with it. It seems your 'body clock' is a bit out and you are sleeping and getting up at different times to everybody else and then when you wake you dont know if you have taken your armour or not and that could cause you to double dose without realising, I think routine is the key here.

The confusion could be because you are sleeping in the day and then waking up feeling dissorientated, I know that feeling and its awful.

Take care and hope to hear from you soon, I know I havent been that helpful, not really sure what else to say to help

From: blondiethefirstuk <whitbywitchuk@...>Subject: Losing it again hlepthyroid treatment Date: Thursday, 24 July, 2008, 5:35 AM

I went to bed this morning and read until 2 30 yesterday afternoonthen went to sleep. I got up 2 am had someting to eat, took my armourbut wasn't sure what day I was on so don't know how much to take. I will ocme straight online whne i get up to see if anyone can help me.Luv to allDawnx

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Hello Dearest Dawn,

I don't use Armour so I can't comment on your dose, but I just

wanted to mention something. In your message, you were concerned

about having another episode that might land you in hospital. Even

though this might not help too much, the way I look at it is to take

each day at a time and know that nothing stays the same for too

long, and that this will pass. As you know, some days can be awful

with this thyroid stuff and then the next day the symptoms and

mental fogginess and confusion can abate and then things get better

again. I think this thyroid stuff can be a bit like a yo yo or a

see saw - up and down and in between all the time.

Also, you are not where you were when you went into hospital last

time, as time has moved on and you are in a different place with

your health and in your life. If you feel really lousy, is there a

doc that you can talk to, to get some assistance with the doses and

your symptoms? It may be good to have a chat to a doc, to alleviate

your worries about the symptoms, etc.

Maybe you can send a private email to Sheila to see if she can help

in some way or suggest a doc who can.

I am really thinking about you. I just said a little prayer for you

and sent a huge amount of good vibes your way.

Big Hug from P

>

>........but I am very confused and feel sick. I dont know what I

have done, have I taken too much or not enough and do I start on

normal amount again tomorrow or should i take into acount what i

took tonight or does that count as yesterdays? I feel a little

dissacociated and I keep fortgetting things really badly. Ihave a

frontal headache again and I feel sick again. Don't want another of

those horrible episodes where I ednded up in hospital.

[Guest guest]

Hello again

I am still not right. Thanks for your lovely support. I have a little

pressure in my head. I did take another 1/2 grain about 1/2 hour ago

because I am afraid I might be going really hypo. I have been on 90

for a long time now and being asleep for so long yesterday not sure I

hve the reserves or even if mybody bothers to convert any more. that

is why I was trying to put up dose. I am having problems takin a

complete breath I dn't know whether that is hypo or adrenal. I have

been poorly wiht this virus now for nearly 10 days which could be

knocking me out of wack. I don't like disorientation it is scary.

Reasons I am so bad with my sleeping i don't know ubt I have been like

that for a long time now. I was more nocturnal waking at tea time

though than middle of night like last night or rather this morning. I

really don't know where I am. I am trying not to panic. I have that

slight headache again and very large bags under the eyes, feel as

though my head is swollen. Of course it can't be I suppose. I know

when I am sleeping i am dehydrating perhaps electolytes are off too I

really don't know what is going on. I would ring up doctor but I don;t

see the point really they never know what is wrong. I am definately

going to try and get my routine on now that I have managed to wake up

during the day, that will be good. I know in the STTM book it says

holding a dose too long can result in hypo coming back atcha with a

real vengence adn that might be what has happened. Sorry for big block

of text. Any advice gratefully acccepted. Perhpas I should lay off the

niacin? That is the only thing extra Itook over last couple of days

except an extra half grain of Armour.

lotsa luv

Dawnx

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Hi Pat hon

I got ur prayer thankyou. It is abating amazingly, I put on some hc

cream and some prgesterone cream very small dose and as the armour

kicked in as well it seems to have helped a lot, along with P vibes

. I think it is a combo of everything. And you are right, this time

different place, and different treatment. So bad what hormones can do,

trouble is when I lose my marbles I aren't sure what to do to help

myself. Unfortunately Ihave no doc that would be able to help at all,

nor even reassure because teh local docs I talk to haven't a clue

about any of this stuff. I think of the top of mi head I might need

stronger adrenal support, maybe isocort would be a good one for now.

Trouble is I ahve no idea where to get it from without paying nearly

15 quid for postage which I cannot afford. Maybe someone on here might

know of a place to order from?

I was just about to email Shiela as my brain began to return. Thanks

so much for all your helps. Still got a bit of pressure in there but

it is nothing in comparison with what i had.

lotsa luv and hugs and thanks

Dawnx

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Hi Dawn

I understand what you mean about not knowing whether you have taken too

much or not enough. It seems so hard to know which way up you are with

this disease... Have you taken your pulse and temperatures? I find

that taking these regularly helps reassure me that despite the fact I

may be feeling edgy or a bit palpy I haven't taken too much.

I don't know where you are with your raises etc. but I know that you

had a TSH of 30 odd recently despite being on some Armour so unless you

have raised to huge amounts you are unlikely to be on too much.

I too have had a cold this week and have had a bit of a strange week

with sleep. I think it probably does affect things.

Anyways I hope you start feeling better soon

(((DAWN)))

Leah x

> >

> >........but I am very confused and feel sick. I dont know what I

> have done, have I taken too much or not enough and do I start on

> normal amount again tomorrow or should i take into acount what i

> took tonight or does that count as yesterdays? I feel a little

> dissacociated and I keep fortgetting things really badly. Ihave a

> frontal headache again and I feel sick again. Don't want another of

> those horrible episodes where I ednded up in hospital.

>

[Guest guest]

Perhpas I should lay off the

> niacin? That is the only thing extra Itook over last couple of days

> except an extra half grain of Armour.

Dawn, I'd definitely lay off the niacin. I'm not saying you might

not need it eventually but at least if you stopped it and you felt

better you'd know it was that. Often this is about a process of

elimination, especially when on so many things and more especially

after introducing something new.

A little of something new often floors me, out of all proportion to

the amount I've taken.

I don't know if anyone will agree but it seems logical to me in the

first instance to eliminate the niacin as a possible contributor for

how you are feeling.

Love to you

x

[Guest guest]

Yes

I will do that. I am also going to leave out the Q10 for a while too

even though I have been on that a couple of days longer it may have

built up so better safe than sorry eh? Don't want this again it is a

pain. I am also very very tired even though I only got up 3 and a

quarter hours ago, feel doped.

Thanks

lotsa luv

Dawnx

[Guest guest]

Hi

Nice to hear from you and sorry your still not feeling right, I know what you mean about the

dissorientated feeling, I still have to some degree, its more like 'being there but not there' if you know what I mean, but its not half as bad as it used to be, tiredness makes it worse for me. I was under the impression that your body doesnt have to convert when you are taking armour? I may be wrong though, but doesnt it contain all the hormones and you dont need to convert the T4 to T3?

I thinkj getting yourself into some routine may help, get up at the same time and go to bed at roughly the same time, your body clock will adjust to that eventually, wish I could help more, take care of yourself though

From: blondiethefirstuk <whitbywitchuk@...>Subject: Re: Losing it again hlepthyroid treatment Date: Thursday, 24 July, 2008, 3:06 PM

Hello againI am still not right. Thanks for your lovely support. I have a littlepressure in my head. I did take another 1/2 grain about 1/2 hour agobecause I am afraid I might be going really hypo. I have been on 90for a long time now and being asleep for so long yesterday not sure Ihve the reserves or even if mybody bothers to convert any more. thatis why I was trying to put up dose. I am having problems takin acomplete breath I dn't know whether that is hypo or adrenal. I havebeen poorly wiht this virus now for nearly 10 days which could beknocking me out of wack. I don't like disorientation it is scary. Reasons I am so bad with my sleeping i don't know ubt I have been likethat for a long time now. I was more nocturnal waking at tea timethough than middle of night like last night or rather this morning. Ireally don't know where I am. lotsa

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Hi Dawn

The list that you sent me of your medications, I showed to Dr Peatfield. He pointed out that you are doubling up on some of your supplements and I have highlighted these in red. If you are taking too much of a particular supplement, this might be a problem. Can you help here Bob please?

Armour 1 1/2 grains…Forest Pharmaceuticals

Seroxat 30mg……………..I only take the Branded Seroxatepam 5mg………… various brands genericsOlmatec/olmesartan medoxomil 10mg…………….varies, generic sometimesBendoflumethiazide Diuretic 2.5mg….varies according to pharmacy, genericVit C tab, various shops…currently 500mgMultivit … WHSelenium ACE….Wassen InternationalCalcium and Mag with D… WH-ca 800mg/magnesium not stated amount but says 100% rda/D 5ug, sometimes Osteocare when I can afford it.

Cod liver Oil….. WHVitamin B complex… was WH now taking drops by Biocaremagnesium 200mg…Lifespan triple source (before taking this muscle cramps)

ACE adrenal supplement drops…just finished Biomax waiting for new drops ‘Adrenal Aide’ to arriveHC cream….. on demand when anxious and food does not work for blood sugar lows3 x garlic pearls…WH

B12 drops….Biocare because my gums bleeding and I was breathless and Japanese ranges are way higher than ours my blood tests said I was nowhere near their ranges so I think it is safe. Vitamin D3 1000iuTurmeric

> keep fortgetting things really badly. Ihave a frontal headache again> and I feel sick again. Don't want another of those horrible episodes> where I ednded up in hospital.> > I will ocme straight online whne i get up to see if anyone can help me.> Luv to all> DawnxHi DawnCan't help with the Armour but just wanted to say I'm sorry you're feeling bad again and I'm thinking of you. I'll keep an eye out for your post later. Hoping you feel brighter when you wake. Wish I could say something more helpful but try not to worry about things that might never happen. I know that's easier said than done particularly when you have that "it's happening again" feeling - that's so scary - but please try to tell yourself everything will be ok and that somehow you'll find the way through. I'm sure folk will help you later when you post again. Sending lots of love your way xNo virus found in this incoming message.

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You are all so lovely, thankyou xxx

Thanks for showing that to Dr P Shiela, I see where he is coming from

yes.

I have no idea whether it is that or whether I am having Seroxat

problems after seeing this page

http://www.medications.com/se/paxil

people with confusion and much of the stuff I went into hospital with

to some digree apart from nobody there was speaking gibberish yet.

Does Dr P have any tips for coming off Seroxat? I hate to ask but I

want to come off and I am afraid. But I think it is messing with my

head more and more, maybe it keeps working then stopping, oh I dont

know, I am clutching at straws heer. Perhaps I just need Isocort or

something for my adrenals stronger. Perhaps I am just going mad?

I love you all thanks so much for your support. I will try to sleep

better hours now, at least I got up during the day today.

lotsa luv

Dawnx

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Hi Dawn,

Corlan Pellets by Celltech are cheap enough and over-the-counter

(2.5mg) so not on prescription. Best use is for aphthous (mouth)

ulcers; ask for them for that purpose, anyway.

At a push, they'd give you a clue...they are hydrocortisone tabs.

On the niacin front, I thought about the way it's produced in the

body (from tryptophan); it's about 1 of niacin from 60 tryptophan

molecules.

So, 1000mg of tryptophan would (in theory) provide about 16mg of

niacin (guaranteed to be bio-available).

How much niacin as a supplement gets through a compromised gut is

anybody's guess....and maybe why so much is needed.

SSRIs interfere with the release and metabolism of serotonin (arises

from tryptophan) ~ too much serotonin would tend to cause a rise in

melatonin (which makes you go to sleep).

Figuring this backwards, too sleepy ~ too much melatonin, hence,

likely > too much serotonin ~ could the consumed niacin be blocking

conversion down the tryptophan > niacin route? Causing too much

serotonin to be made? ~ just a thought ...

http://www.theroadback.co.uk/

best wishes

Bob

>

> Hi Pat hon

>

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Hi P,

http://forums.about.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?tsn=30 & nav=messages & webtag=ab-thyroid & tid=37992

Shows the Starvation chart !

Bob

>> Hello Dearest Dawn,>

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Thanks Bob

I should hold off that then. No more niacin. That experience sounds

very reasonable Bob, sensible.

I went to that withdrawal site once before, I was really considering

it but the products that they sell to do it are really really

expensive and my poor brain couldn't work out how to get hold of same

from elsewhere, you know what my brain fog is like hon. The principle

is sound the nutrition side. I would need to plan it really carefully

with all the things I am on and I am really scared I would muck it up

(sob). That is the most hopeful site yet though Bob, it seems it can

be more painless that way.

Good idea about the mouth ulcer pills, thanks so much, ur brill

lotsa luv

Dawnx

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Hey Bob hon

Is it ok to swallow those pills, it says hold next to ulcer don't

suck. I have peridontal disease so I would need to swallow, do you

think that they would still be ok on? Would be great sublingual but

not sure about it with my gum infections.

lotsa luv

Dawnx

[Guest guest]

Hi Dawn,

So glad to hear that things are getting better for you (O:

I wish that you had a doctor who could support you through this.

Big hug,

P

[Guest guest]

Hi Dawn

I believe seroxat does stop working after time, I think it did for me, I think I just became immune to it, you CAN come off it, I did, but please do it very slowly to avoid ending up back on it, out of everything you are taking that is the one thing that could mess with you the most.Take care

From: blondiethefirstuk <whitbywitchuk@...>Subject: Re: Losing it again hlepthyroid treatment Date: Thursday, 24 July, 2008, 11:05 PM

You are all so lovely, thankyou xxxThanks for showing that to Dr P Shiela, I see where he is coming fromyes. I have no idea whether it is that or whether I am having Seroxatproblems after seeing this pagelotsa luvDawnx

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Thanks

I will try, and I will see if the doc can give me liquid, might make

it easier if they do one.

cheers again

luv

Dawnx

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HI

I do know they can give you liquid prozac to help with the final stages of ad withdrawal, it is an easy one to stop taking as it has the longest half life of all the SSRI's and withdrawal is relatively easy compared with seroxat and some of the others. I have stopped taking 3 ad's in mylife and if I can do it you can, just keep telling yourself that withdrawal doesnt last forever and it will get better

From: blondiethefirstuk <whitbywitchuk@...>Subject: Re: Losing it again hlepthyroid treatment Date: Friday, 25 July, 2008, 5:21 PM

Thanks I will try, and I will see if the doc can give me liquid, might makeit easier if they do one. cheers againluv Dawnx

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Thanks

thats really encouraging, I want to try that 10% decrease per two

weeks but I am hoping they also do liquid seroxat or I will find that

difficult.

I will keep thinking about what you said hon

lotsa luv

Dawnx

[Guest guest]

Dawn What I did was switch from Seroxat to liquid Prozac which Big Pharma

kindly

manufactured for the kiddies.

Makes it a lot easier.

Mo

> thats really encouraging, I want to try that 10% decrease per two

> weeks but I am hoping they also do liquid seroxat or I will find that

> difficult.

>

> I will keep thinking about what you said hon

> lotsa luv

> Dawnx

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Mo

> manufactured for the kiddies.

They did THAT omg .

Still good for tapering though, did you not notice anything during

your switch to prozac from seroxat? I did not do too well on Prozac.

lotsa luv

Dawnx

>

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They give prozac to kids?! OMG! Ruth x

>

>

> Dawn What I did was switch from Seroxat to liquid Prozac which Big

Pharma kindly

> manufactured for the kiddies.

> Makes it a lot easier.

>

> Mo

>

>

> > thats really encouraging, I want to try that 10% decrease per two

> > weeks but I am hoping they also do liquid seroxat or I will find

that

> > difficult.

> >

> > I will keep thinking about what you said hon

> > lotsa luv

> > Dawnx

> >

>

[Guest guest]

And seroxat too! Both are linked in with increasing depressive

thoughts in young people. Worse, the young person's brain chemistry

may be affected for life as it is not too clever to tamper with brain

chemistry while the brain is still developing.

The really sick thing is that the drug companies consider normal

teenage moodiness and insecurities as medicatable. These drugs are

prescibed to kids with school phobias and simple shyness. Totally

immoral IMO!

Tracey

>

> They give prozac to kids?! OMG! Ruth x

>