Re: goitergenic foods & HYPERs

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Just out of interest, do you think its a good idea for HYPERs to eat lots of goitrogenic foods??? It seems to make some sense, if they suppress thyroid function.... <cccquilter@...> wrote: The below message is correct, with the exception of soy, which can only be consumed safely by hypoT's if it is fermented. Tofu is not a fermented product. <,I have heard that the goitrogenic foods/veggies do not have the detrimental effect on thyroid as long as they are cooked. I believe it's when you eat them raw that there can be problems.>

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I think its by eating mainly goitrogenic foods that I've managed to prevent myself slipping into overt hyperthyroidism - my TSH is suppressed, all other blood tests are normal (zinc, copper, selenium, & other thyroid function tests - SHBG levels are a little high - again due to the hyper nodule). I really am at a loss to reverse the effects of the hyper nodule...I'm not at all sure iodine supplementation is the answer - I'm confident my diet provides enough.sharflin <sharflin@...> wrote: Some people/doctors do recommend that. Seems better than anti-thyroid meds, but not as good as correcting the nutritional deficiencies that may have caused the hyperT. Sharon> Just out of interest, do you think its a good idea for HYPERs to eat lots of goitrogenic foods??? It seems to make some sense, if they suppress

thyroid function....Iodine

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Persephone,

> I think its by eating mainly goitrogenic foods that I've managed

to prevent myself slipping into overt hyperthyroidism - my TSH is

suppressed, all other blood tests are normal (zinc, copper,

selenium, & other thyroid function tests - SHBG levels are a little

high - again due to the hyper nodule). I really am at a loss to

reverse the effects of the hyper nodule...I'm not at all sure iodine

supplementation is the answer - I'm confident my diet provides

enough.

>

While all those nutrition things seem to be relevant in general to

hyperthyroidism, I'm not sure they are relevant to an autonomous

nodule. At least maybe not once you have one. As I understand it, an

autonomous nodule will continue to produce thyroid hormone using all

available iodine regardless of TSH levels. I don't recall anyone

else on this list who has been in this situation, so I don't think

we have explored it in depth. It does make me wonder if an

autonomous nodule can be coaxed back into being normal? I wonder

what Brownstein, Flechas and Abraham would say?

Best,

Sharon

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Those docs say that nodules, cysts, goiters are iodine deficiency. I am so surprised that ithyroid doesn't have more on iodine.

Gracia

> While all those nutrition things seem to be relevant in general to hyperthyroidism, I'm not sure they are relevant to an autonomous nodule. At least maybe not once you have one. As I understand it, an autonomous nodule will continue to produce thyroid hormone using all available iodine regardless of TSH levels. I don't recall anyone else on this list who has been in this situation, so I don't think we have explored it in depth. It does make me wonder if an autonomous nodule can be coaxed back into being normal? I wonder what Brownstein, Flechas and Abraham would say? Best, Sharon

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Hi Gracia,

Got that - do you know what they say on how to reverse nodules that

have become autonomous?

Sharon

> Those docs say that nodules, cysts, goiters are iodine

deficiency. I am so surprised that ithyroid doesn't have more on

iodine.

> Gracia

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> While all those nutrition things seem to be relevant in general

to

> hyperthyroidism, I'm not sure they are relevant to an autonomous

> nodule. At least maybe not once you have one. As I understand

it, an

> autonomous nodule will continue to produce thyroid hormone using

all

> available iodine regardless of TSH levels. I don't recall anyone

> else on this list who has been in this situation, so I don't

think

> we have explored it in depth. It does make me wonder if an

> autonomous nodule can be coaxed back into being normal? I wonder

> what Brownstein, Flechas and Abraham would say?

>

> Best,

> Sharon

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Is it possible to surgically or otherwise remove the

nodules?

--- persephone persephone <persephone_sea@...>

wrote:

> I've got 7 nodules (at least 2 of which are

> autonomous), and technically I'm sub clinically

> hyper - no graves, no outright hyperthyroidism -

> just too much thyroid hormone being produced by the

> nodules.

>

> Actually, I just posted a question thinking on the

> lines of what youre saying. It does seem that an

> autonomous nodule is exactly that. And if thats

> true, I'm pretty surprised I've been this way for

> such a long time.

>

> If what youre saying is right, limiting iodine

> should stop the nodule producing too much thyroid

> hormone, which (in theory??) should slightly raise

> TSH levels???

>

> Course eliminating iodine from your diet for a

> couple of days would be a feat in itself (it seems

> to be in so many foodstuffs - even in veg it can be

> pretty high depending on the soil it was grown in!!

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Not just the nodules, they have to remove half a lobe, or a lobe and isthmus, or a lobe and an isthmus and a pyramidal lobe (depending on the surgeons technique/what they find when they go in). JD <ybr1959@...> wrote: Is it possible to surgically or otherwise remove thenodules?--- persephone persephone wrote:> I've got 7 nodules (at least 2 of which are> autonomous), and technically I'm sub clinically> hyper - no graves, no outright hyperthyroidism -> just too much thyroid hormone being produced by the> nodules.> > Actually, I just posted a question thinking on the> lines of what youre saying. It does seem that an> autonomous nodule is exactly that. And if thats>

true, I'm pretty surprised I've been this way for> such a long time. > > If what youre saying is right, limiting iodine> should stop the nodule producing too much thyroid> hormone, which (in theory??) should slightly raise> TSH levels???> > Course eliminating iodine from your diet for a> couple of days would be a feat in itself (it seems> to be in so many foodstuffs - even in veg it can be> pretty high depending on the soil it was grown in!!__________________________________________________

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wow. why cant they just remove a nodule by itself?

--- persephone persephone <persephone_sea@...>

wrote:

> Not just the nodules, they have to remove half a

> lobe, or a lobe and isthmus, or a lobe and an

> isthmus and a pyramidal lobe (depending on the

> surgeons technique/what they find when they go in).

>

>

>

> JD <ybr1959@...> wrote:

> Is it possible to surgically or otherwise remove

> the

> nodules?

>

>

>

> --- persephone persephone

>

> wrote:

>

> > I've got 7 nodules (at least 2 of which are

> > autonomous), and technically I'm sub clinically

> > hyper - no graves, no outright hyperthyroidism -

> > just too much thyroid hormone being produced by

> the

> > nodules.

> >

> > Actually, I just posted a question thinking on the

> > lines of what youre saying. It does seem that an

> > autonomous nodule is exactly that. And if thats

> > true, I'm pretty surprised I've been this way for

> > such a long time.

> >

> > If what youre saying is right, limiting iodine

> > should stop the nodule producing too much thyroid

> > hormone, which (in theory??) should slightly raise

> > TSH levels???

> >

> > Course eliminating iodine from your diet for a

> > couple of days would be a feat in itself (it seems

> > to be in so many foodstuffs - even in veg it can

> be

> > pretty high depending on the soil it was grown

> in!!

>

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>

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Work is underway on a new technique to get rid of nodules, " A new

technology designed to remove growths from the thyroid gland with

high-intensity focused ultrasound beams has passed its first test in

humans, French researchers report. The hope is that the treatment

will eliminate the need for surgery that often is performed to

remove the growths, formally called nodules, said Dr. Oliver

Esnault, an endocrine surgeon at Saint-Louis Hospital in Paris and a

leader of the trial. "

http://www.forbes.com/forbeslife/health/feeds/hscout/2006/10/12/hscou

t535453.html

Sharon

> Not just the nodules, they have to remove half a lobe, or a lobe

and isthmus, or a lobe and an isthmus and a pyramidal lobe

(depending on the surgeons technique/what they find when they go

in).

>

>

>

> JD <ybr1959@...> wrote:

> Is it possible to surgically or otherwise remove the

> nodules?

>

>

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this new tecnique still doesn't address why they happened in the first place.

Gracia

,Work is underway on a new technique to get rid of nodules, "A new technology designed to remove growths from the thyroid gland with high-intensity focused ultrasound beams has passed its first test in humans, French researchers report. The hope is that the treatment will eliminate the need for surgery that often is performed to remove the growths, formally called nodules, said Dr. Oliver Esnault, an endocrine surgeon at Saint-Louis Hospital in Paris and a leader of the trial."http://www.forbes.com/forbeslife/health/feeds/hscout/2006/10/12/hscout535453.htmlSharon> Not just the nodules, they have to remove half a lobe, or a lobe and isthmus, or a lobe and an isthmus and a pyramidal lobe (depending on the surgeons technique/what they find when they go in). > > > > JD <ybr1959@...> wrote:> Is it possible to surgically or otherwise remove the> nodules?> >

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>From: " Gracia " <circe@...>

> this new tecnique still doesn't address why they happened in the first

>place.

> Gracia

One cause is inadequate iodine intake -

http://thyroidmanager.org/Chapter17/17-text.htm

" The incidence of goiter, diffuse and nodular, is very much dependent on the

status of iodine intake of the population.

In general, in iodine sufficient countries the prevalence of multinodular

goiter goiter is not higher than 4 %.6 "

Other factors can be found at that link.

Skipper

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I looked up this technique, and contacted the hospital involved. They are apparently years away from offering this as a treatment option........ ,Work is underway on a new technique to get rid of nodules, "A new technology designed to remove growths from the thyroid gland with high-intensity focused ultrasound beams has passed its first test in humans, French researchers report. The hope is that the treatment will eliminate the need for surgery that often is performed to remove the growths, formally called nodules, said Dr.

Oliver Esnault, an endocrine surgeon at Saint-Louis Hospital in Paris and a leader of the trial."http://www.forbes.com/forbeslife/health/feeds/hscout/2006/10/12/hscout535453.htmlSharon> Not just the nodules, they have to remove half a lobe, or a lobe and isthmus, or a lobe and an isthmus and a pyramidal lobe (depending on the surgeons technique/what they find when they go in). > > > > JD <ybr1959@...> wrote:> Is it possible to surgically or otherwise remove the> nodules?> > No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.5/483 - Release Date: 10/18/2006 Send instant messages to your online

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Apparently its like taking a currant out of a scone.... if that makes sense. Also, theres the risk of more blood loss if they try to take out the nodule alone (basically its easier for the surgeon!). One surgeon also told me that if you have one lobe removed, the chances of getting nodules on the other lobe are greatly increased, as the solitary lobe thats been left in will have to work twice as hard. Its a catch 22 situation!JD <ybr1959@...> wrote: wow. why cant they just remove a nodule by itself?--- persephone persephone wrote:> Not just the nodules, they have to remove half a> lobe, or a lobe and isthmus, or a lobe and an> isthmus and a pyramidal lobe (depending on the> surgeons technique/what they find when

they go in). > > > > JD wrote:> Is it possible to surgically or otherwise remove> the> nodules?> > > > --- persephone persephone > > wrote:> > > I've got 7 nodules (at least 2 of which are> > autonomous), and technically I'm sub clinically> > hyper - no graves, no outright hyperthyroidism -> > just too much thyroid hormone being produced by> the> > nodules.> > > > Actually, I just posted a question thinking on the> > lines of what youre saying. It does seem that an> > autonomous nodule is exactly that. And if thats> > true, I'm pretty surprised I've been this way for> > such a long time. > > > > If what youre saying is right, limiting iodine> > should stop the nodule producing too much thyroid>

> hormone, which (in theory??) should slightly raise> > TSH levels???> > > > Course eliminating iodine from your diet for a> > couple of days would be a feat in itself (it seems> > to be in so many foodstuffs - even in veg it can> be> > pretty high depending on the soil it was grown> in!!> > __________________________________________________>

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so it seems aside from preventing them to begin with,

the thing is to leave in the lobes and remove the

nodules. Hope they finish developing that ultrasound

device for treatment very soon. Thanks for the info!

--- persephone persephone <persephone_sea@...>

wrote:

> Apparently its like taking a currant out of a

> scone.... if that makes sense. Also, theres the risk

> of more blood loss if they try to take out the

> nodule alone (basically its easier for the

> surgeon!).

>

> One surgeon also told me that if you have one lobe

> removed, the chances of getting nodules on the other

> lobe are greatly increased, as the solitary lobe

> thats been left in will have to work twice as hard.

> Its a catch 22 situation!

>

> JD <ybr1959@...> wrote:

> wow. why cant they just remove a nodule by itself?

>

>

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I also read an article about arterial embolization for thyroid disease which sounds promising. If they can identify a blood supply to the nodules, and block it with PVA particles, that in theory should make them shrink or die or both. Still, that ones probably a long way off too!JD <ybr1959@...> wrote: so it seems aside from preventing them to begin with,the thing is to leave in the lobes and remove thenodules. Hope they finish developing that ultrasounddevice for treatment very soon. Thanks for the info!--- persephone persephone wrote:> Apparently its like taking a currant out of a> scone.... if that makes sense. Also, theres the risk> of more blood loss if they try to take out the> nodule alone (basically its easier for the>

surgeon!).> > One surgeon also told me that if you have one lobe> removed, the chances of getting nodules on the other> lobe are greatly increased, as the solitary lobe> thats been left in will have to work twice as hard.> Its a catch 22 situation!> > JD wrote:> wow. why cant they just remove a nodule by itself?> > __________________________________________________