Guest guest Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 In a message dated 6/21/2006 2:42:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Alobar@... writes: High salt intake can cause ankle swelling, especially if one sitsfor long periods. Sea salt should not cause this, only table salt. Bonnie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 In a message dated 6/21/2006 3:50:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, abbe_online@... writes: From what I understand people are using physiologicdoses of hydro cortisone to enable them to toleratethe thyroid replacement.I have had a strong sense not to do that. This couldchange but so far I still feel that way. This is notrelated to the scarey information about steriods. Ijust sense not to and have been trusting myself. Abbe, have you ever thought of trying a classical homeopath? I have seen people and animals helped with that. It might make it so that you don't need the thyroid replacement. A friend of mine is one (I am in training because I saw how well it worked for me) and I'm sure she would be more than glad to talk to you about it. I know it is not for everyone, but if you are open to it I am sure it can help. Her address is www.onlynatural.info. Hope you are doing better soon. Bonnie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 High salt intake can cause ankle swelling, especially if one sits for long periods. Alobar On 6/21/06, Abbe <abbe_online@...> wrote: > I know swelling in the ankles/feet can be related to > heart problems but for a number of reasons I do not > think it is for me. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 Thank you, Alobar I have been using Celtic Sea Salt but the swelling started before then which is why I didn't attribute it to that. Abbe --- Alobar <Alobar@...> wrote: > High salt intake can cause ankle swelling, > especially if one sits > for long periods. > > Alobar __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 I take sea salt daily at about 1/2 to one full tsp. twice a day and it has NEVER caused swelling. What HAS caused it is hypothyroidism. And basically low T3. Bump my meds up and it stops. -- Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations The BEST thyroid website! http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 --- <artisticgroomer@...> wrote: > I take sea salt daily at about 1/2 to one full tsp. > twice a day and it > has NEVER caused swelling. What HAS caused it is > hypothyroidism. And > basically low T3. Bump my meds up and it stops. > ----------- Thanks, the really strange thing is before I started the Celtic Seal Salt I had lots of eye puffiness which began to diminish as soon as I started Celtic. As I wrote, I had the ankle/feet thing before Celtic. I drink a minimum of 2 quarts spring water daily. I have been unable to tolerate *any* thyroid replacement, within two days I become hyperthyroid. The interesting thing, though, is after two months without any thyroid replacement on my recent test T3 was normal T4 only slightly low 0.7 and TSH High 23.68 (which, frankly, I do not view as outrageously high). With those numbers as I see it it's no surprise that adding thyroid replacement would push me into hyperthyroid. Those bouts have been so hard on my heart and caused so much stress I believe it only makes my already fatigued adrenals even more so. From what I understand people are using physiologic doses of hydro cortisone to enable them to tolerate the thyroid replacement. I have had a strong sense not to do that. This could change but so far I still feel that way. This is not related to the scarey information about steriods. I just sense not to and have been trusting myself. I am waiting for Iodoral and hoping that will turn things around. Abbe __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 Abbe I have been on HC for almost 2 years. It has done nothing but GOOD for me. I have lost 93 pounds in the last year and have not had a sick day in a LONG time. Haven't bee to a doctor except for ONCE for a check up fro anesthesia to have my teeth out in EIGHT years! But I take alot of meds. Armour 6.5 grains a day and 30MG HC a day. I no longer have swelling or fluid retention or pain in my legs, feet or anywhere. No more headaches, and I love water where as before I couldn't drink it as it tasted bad to me. ANY of it! I do use Lugol's topically, mainly because it lowered my need for extra T3 meds but I still take 50-70MCG a day of Tertroxin (a T3 med) which works perfectly for my weird system. When I took it orally, I felt worse, so I went back to topical application and will most likely stay there. A couple weeks ago I tried a different T3 med and man did I swell and my BP shot up really bad, but I am back on my old meds now and all that is gone. this is why I know T3 levels have ALOT to do with swelling and high BP. -- Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations The BEST thyroid website! http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 Avoid table salt. Use sea salt instead. Most everyone is iodine deficient due to the soil depletion and the use of halogens such as fluoride and chlorine which grab up what little iodine you intake and pulls it right back out of your thyroid. Adrenals slow down and your body metabolism drops as well. Check your basal temp and avoid the expensive useless tests that the 'profession' offers as they are bunk. Increase your potassium intake. It is the balance between potassium and sodium that causes the edema. Vitamin C in large quantities is also helpful. If you need to build up calcium, the best way is to use manganese and organic silica. These two substances build up calcium like nothing else does. Get plenty of un-filtered sunlight (no sun glasses or tanning lotions), this produces vitamin D which is required by the gut to absorb calcium and phosphorus. Don't take diuretics and if the doctor puts you on estrogen replacement therapy you have my permission to shoot him. $%@)!! & S$ Quacks...Grrrrrrrr..... -- swelling lower ankles feet I know swelling in the ankles/feet can be related toheart problems but for a number of reasons I do notthink it is for me.I suspect either hypothyroidism, adrenals or both.I have not begun iodine therapy yet, waiting for orderto come in.I just wondered if anyone could give me a suggestionabout this. The swelling in feet appears to beaggravating an old injury in one of my feet makingwalking a bit difficult.Thanks,Abbe__________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 Why is that? Sodium is Sodium, no matter whether it comes from sea salt or table salt. Alobar On 6/21/06, braguet@... <braguet@...> wrote: > > > > Sea salt should not cause this, only table salt. > > > Bonnie __. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 Oh no! Salt is not just salt. When table salt is made it is stripped of its mineral content and other nasty junk is added. Aluminum oxide prevents clumping and is added to commercial table salt for that purpose. Alzheimer's disease has been linked to aluminum. Also the crystalline matrix is altered by the processing so that the end product isn't natural and its vibratory resonant frequencies are shifted as a result. There are no doubt ion differentials as well effectively making the product something other than true salt. I could research that but I don't want to waste time chasing down those answers as it is very well-known that sea salt is the correct choice and table salt constitutes another man-made poison. -- Re: swelling lower ankles feet Why is that? Sodium is Sodium, no matter whether it comes from seasalt or table salt.AlobarOn 6/21/06, braguetaol <braguetaol> wrote:>>>> Sea salt should not cause this, only table salt.>>> Bonnie __. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 But edema (swelling) comes from an excess of Sodium. Both sea salt and table salt have high Sodium. Yes, table salt is filled with gunk, but edema comes from too much Sodium. Alobar On 6/21/06, comdyne@... <comdyne@...> wrote: > > > > > Oh no! Salt is not just salt. When table salt is made it is stripped of its mineral content and other nasty junk is added. Aluminum oxide prevents clumping and is added to commercial table salt for that purpose. Alzheimer's disease has been linked to aluminum. Also the crystalline matrix is altered by the processing so that the end product isn't natural and its vibratory resonant frequencies are shifted as a result. There are no doubt ion differentials as well effectively making the product something other than true salt. I could research that but I don't want to waste time chasing down those answers as it is very well-known that sea salt is the correct choice and table salt constitutes another man-made poison. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 --- Alobar <Alobar@...> wrote: > But edema (swelling) comes from an excess of > Sodium. Both sea > salt and table salt have high Sodium. Yes, table > salt is filled > with gunk, but edema comes from too much Sodium. > > Alobar > I am here standing-up at the computer It may have to do with ratio of sodium intake to water intake. I have used regular sea salt for years and only recently got the Celtic Sea Salt which is quite different. Think water and lots of it. Abbe __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 >>But edema (swelling) comes from an excess of Sodium. Both sea salt and table salt have high Sodium. Yes, table salt is filled with gunk, but edema comes from too much Sodium.<, Whjere do you find that edema comes form excess sodium? Show me the labs! I actually was swelling from LOW dosium as when your body needs salt it will retain fluid so that no more sodium is lost. I was swellin horribl y 8 years go so bad I was in Congestive Heart Failure an dof course, listening to my doctors who told me to cut salt out of my diet. I did and it got worse! Then I read a website that explained about fluid retention from LOW sodium, and it fit. I have taken 1-2 tsp of sea salt evey day sine then for the last 8 years and I no longer swell/. -- Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations The BEST thyroid website! http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 Not so. The form of sodium in processed salts crosses the transmembrane of the cells that normally contains only potassium. Sea salt crystals do not enter the cell but remain in the extracellular fluids because their crystalline size is larger than the receptor sites on the cellular walls. Salt in the body is an ocean so-to-speak and its presence is vital for our normal operation for we are electrical machines and salt is a component of chemical electrical generation. Edema is caused by low cellular potassium, not excess sodium. Cancer cells suck up sodium which is one of the determining factors in determining whether or not a cell is malignant. Healthy cells contain very little sodium and the existence of sodium outside the cell and potassium inside the cell forms an electrical battery which has potential differences between their inner and outer membranes which is a true DC battery. Healthy cells produce transmembrane voltages ranging from 70 to 100 millivolts! That is a fantastic amount of electricity from such a small source. When Dr. W. Crile discovered this in the 1930s, everyone was totally shocked. He should have been awarded the Nobel Prize for this discovery. He went on to establish the Cleveland Clinic. The molecular crystal angle is critical and even though both substances are sodium by definition, the same chemically, the two are very different in their electrical attraction and repulsion due to these angles of their atomic structure. Edema occurs because of low cellular electrical potentials that permits the electron bonding of sodium in healthy cellular environments to maintain balance to become weak, and the water content separates and collects in the lower extremities. The heart function associated with this is due to high acidity which reduces the electrical conductive pathways in the heart. Heart attacks are caused by ventricular acidosis due to the loss of signal strength of the timed synchronized electrical pulses that cause the muscle sequence chain events that produce pumping. Blood clots form after the heart attack, not before. All that we are led to believe about the mechanism of the cause of heart attacks erronious. The masked quacks simply do not know what they are doing. Oh the humanity...! -- Re: swelling lower ankles feet But edema (swelling) comes from an excess of Sodium. Both seasalt and table salt have high Sodium. Yes, table salt is filledwith gunk, but edema comes from too much Sodium.AlobarOn 6/21/06, comdyneiac (DOT) net <comdyneintcom (DOT) net> wrote:>>>>> Oh no! Salt is not just salt. When table salt is made it is stripped of its mineral content and other nasty junk is added. Aluminum oxide prevents clumping and is added to commercial table salt for that purpose. Alzheimer's disease has been linked to aluminum. Also the crystalline matrix is altered by the processing so that the end product isn't natural and its vibratory resonant frequencies are shifted as a result. There are no doubt ion differentials as well effectively making the product something other than true salt. I could research that but I don't want to waste time chasing down those answers as it is very well-known that sea salt is the correct choice and table salt constitutes another man-made poison.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 My feet swelled when I was pregnant. Taking Concentrace minerals took care of it. Irene At 11:09 AM 6/21/2006, you wrote: I know swelling in the ankles/feet can be related to heart problems but for a number of reasons I do not think it is for me. I suspect either hypothyroidism, adrenals or both. I have not begun iodine therapy yet, waiting for order to come in. I just wondered if anyone could give me a suggestion about this. The swelling in feet appears to be aggravating an old injury in one of my feet making walking a bit difficult. Thanks, Abbe __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 I think we'd better drop this thread as it has nothing to do with Iodine. You make claims, but no web references. You could be right, as I am sure not all-knowing, but the claims you make do not make sense to me. Salt in solution is a bunch of Ions. Sodium ion size is determined by chemistry and not how the salt was treated. All Sodium ions are identical in size. Alobar On 6/21/06, comdyne@... <comdyne@...> wrote: > > > > > Not so. The form of sodium in processed salts crosses the transmembrane of the cells that normally contains only potassium. Sea salt crystals do not enter the cell but remain in the extracellular fluids because their crystalline size is larger than the receptor sites on the cellular walls. Salt in the body is an ocean so-to-speak and its presence is vital for our normal operation for we are electrical machines and salt is a component of chemical electrical generation. Edema is caused by low cellular potassium, not excess sodium. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 " Labs " implies doctors. I can't afford doctors. Back about 6 years ago I took some time off work, stayed home, wrote a lot at the computer, and ate canned food. My ankles swelled up. I asked a friend who was a nurse. He said, " Try cutting back on Sodium. " I did so. Edema went away, and has not been back since. By no means am I saying that high sodium is the onlyu cause of ankle swelling. But it is one of the causes which might be looked at. Alobar On 6/21/06, <artisticgroomer@...> wrote: > >>But edema (swelling) comes from an excess of Sodium. Both sea > salt and table salt have high Sodium. Yes, table salt is filled > with gunk, but edema comes from too much Sodium.<, > > Whjere do you find that edema comes form excess sodium? Show me the > labs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 >>Back about 6 years ago I took some time off work, stayed home, wrote a lot at the computer, and ate canned food. My ankles swelled up.<< Yes from BAD salt! The stuff they add to it to make it flow freely is one of the worst poisons we ingest. I donlt think anyone would argue that table salt is good for you.. It isn't! But I have not had any problems with the sea salt. But maybe I am just lucky.Or may adrenals are bad enough I lose salt. -- Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations The BEST thyroid website! http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 Right on Val! You are right! -- Re: swelling lower ankles feet >>But edema (swelling) comes from an excess of Sodium. Both seasalt and table salt have high Sodium. Yes, table salt is filledwith gunk, but edema comes from too much Sodium.<,Whjere do you find that edema comes form excess sodium? Show me the labs! I actually was swelling from LOW dosium as when your body needs salt it will retain fluid so that no more sodium is lost. I was swellin horribl y 8 years go so bad I was in Congestive Heart Failure an dof course, listening to my doctors who told me to cut salt out of my diet. I did and it got worse! Then I read a website that explained about fluid retention from LOW sodium, and it fit. I have taken 1-2 tsp of sea salt evey day sine then for the last 8 years and I no longer swell/.-- Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WVMy Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations The BEST thyroid website! http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 Ok, if that's what you want. Here is a web reference: http://www.healthy.net/scr/article.asp?ID=2063 Dr. Broeringmeyer in his video on magnetic diagnosis describes this process in great detail. It was not sold commercially and only provided to people who paid to attend his seminars. -- Re: swelling lower ankles feet I think we'd better drop this thread as it has nothing to dowith Iodine. You make claims, but no web references. You could beright, as I am sure not all-knowing, but the claims you make do notmake sense to me. Salt in solution is a bunch of Ions. Sodium ionsize is determined by chemistry and not how the salt was treated.All Sodium ions are identical in size.AlobarOn 6/21/06, comdyneiac (DOT) net <comdyneintcom (DOT) net> wrote:>>>>> Not so. The form of sodium in processed salts crosses the transmembrane of the cells that normally contains only potassium. Sea salt crystals do not enter the cell but remain in the extracellular fluids because their crystalline size is larger than the receptor sites on the cellular walls. Salt in the body is an ocean so-to-speak and its presence is vital for our normal operation for we are electrical machines and salt is a component of chemical electrical generation. Edema is caused by low cellular potassium, not excess sodium.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 Nothing in the link which I disagree with or which is new material to me. No mention of different size Sodium ions betweeen sea salt and table salt either. Alobar On 6/21/06, comdyne@... <comdyne@...> wrote: > > > > > Ok, if that's what you want. Here is a web reference: > > http://www.healthy.net/scr/article.asp?ID=2063 > > Dr. Broeringmeyer in his video on magnetic diagnosis describes this process in great detail. It was not sold commercially and only provided to people who paid to attend his seminars. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 > The interesting thing, though, is after two months > without any thyroid replacement on my recent test T3 > was normal T4 only slightly low 0.7 and TSH High 23.68 > (which, frankly, I do not view as outrageously high). Abbe....I had a horrible problem with swollen ankle last summer when my TSH was around 13.5. When I got it back down to normal levels the swelling went away. I've not had much of problem since. I have serious osteoarthritis in one ankle from an old break so swelling and damage from that is very serious for me and I pay attention to my ankles. My TH was temporarily high from oral estrogen I was experimenting with during the summer. I'm back on transdermal now with no problems and feeling great. I'm curious why you don't see 23.68 as high? Lynn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 > Nothing in the link which I disagree with or which is new material to > me. No mention of different size Sodium ions betweeen sea salt and > table salt either. ALobar, I also find that if I increase my sea salt consumption too it can result in swelling. It's interesting though that it rarely result in the thrist sensations I get with regular salt (you know that horrible thirstiness you get 2 hours after chinese food..I hate that) I don't think swelling is as bad with celtic salts either...but really haven't paid close attention to this. Maybe the minerals in the salts are balancing the sodium. I don't work at limiting my salt but neither do I go crazy with it. I don't feel that great if I use too much. Lynn > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 On 6/21/06, Lynn <lyn122@...> wrote: > > > I don't work at limiting my salt but neither do I go crazy with it. I > don't feel that great if I use too much. > > Lynn Observing what one's body wants and practicing moderation is useful for most anything. Alobar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2006 Report Share Posted June 22, 2006 In my experience with salt I will blow up like a balloon with table salt but I never retain water with sea salt. MSG is another problem that causes me to retain masses amounts of water. There is a lot of msg in canned foods. Allyn PRIORITY INVESTMENTS N' KOLLATERAL,INC. ALLYN FERRIS PRESIDENT AFERRIS@... 4548A WEST VILLAGE DR. TAMPA, FL 33624 tel: 813-961-1500 fax: 813-996-9571 mobile: 813-391-7965 Add me to your address book... Want a signature like this? From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of Alobar Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 9:10 PM iodine Subject: Re: swelling lower ankles feet " Labs " implies doctors. I can't afford doctors. Back about 6 years ago I took some time off work, stayed home, wrote a lot at the computer, and ate canned food. My ankles swelled up. I asked a friend who was a nurse. He said, " Try cutting back on Sodium. " I did so. Edema went away, and has not been back since. By no means am I saying that high sodium is the onlyu cause of ankle swelling. But it is one of the causes which might be looked at. Alobar On 6/21/06, <artisticgroomerjfwebs> wrote: > >>But edema (swelling) comes from an excess of Sodium. Both sea > salt and table salt have high Sodium. Yes, table salt is filled > with gunk, but edema comes from too much Sodium.<, > > Whjere do you find that edema comes form excess sodium? Show me the > labs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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