RE: swelling lower ankles feet

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In a message dated 6/21/2006 2:42:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Alobar@... writes:

High salt intake can cause ankle swelling, especially if one sitsfor long periods.

Sea salt should not cause this, only table salt.

Bonnie

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In a message dated 6/21/2006 3:50:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, abbe_online@... writes:

From what I understand people are using physiologicdoses of hydro cortisone to enable them to toleratethe thyroid replacement.I have had a strong sense not to do that. This couldchange but so far I still feel that way. This is notrelated to the scarey information about steriods. Ijust sense not to and have been trusting myself.

Abbe, have you ever thought of trying a classical homeopath? I have seen people and animals helped with that. It might make it so that you don't need the thyroid replacement. A friend of mine is one (I am in training because I saw how well it worked for me) and I'm sure she would be more than glad to talk to you about it. I know it is not for everyone, but if you are open to it I am sure it can help. Her address is www.onlynatural.info. Hope you are doing better soon.

Bonnie

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High salt intake can cause ankle swelling, especially if one sits

for long periods.

Alobar

On 6/21/06, Abbe <abbe_online@...> wrote:

> I know swelling in the ankles/feet can be related to

> heart problems but for a number of reasons I do not

> think it is for me.

>

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Thank you, Alobar

I have been using Celtic Sea Salt but the swelling

started before then which is why I didn't attribute it

to that.

Abbe

--- Alobar <Alobar@...> wrote:

> High salt intake can cause ankle swelling,

> especially if one sits

> for long periods.

>

> Alobar

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I take sea salt daily at about 1/2 to one full tsp. twice a day and it

has NEVER caused swelling. What HAS caused it is hypothyroidism. And

basically low T3. Bump my meds up and it stops.

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--- <artisticgroomer@...> wrote:

> I take sea salt daily at about 1/2 to one full tsp.

> twice a day and it

> has NEVER caused swelling. What HAS caused it is

> hypothyroidism. And

> basically low T3. Bump my meds up and it stops.

>

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Thanks, the really strange thing is before I started

the Celtic Seal Salt I had lots of eye puffiness which

began to diminish as soon as I started Celtic. As I

wrote, I had the ankle/feet thing before Celtic. I

drink a minimum of 2 quarts spring water daily.

I have been unable to tolerate *any* thyroid

replacement, within two days I become hyperthyroid.

The interesting thing, though, is after two months

without any thyroid replacement on my recent test T3

was normal T4 only slightly low 0.7 and TSH High 23.68

(which, frankly, I do not view as outrageously high).

With those numbers as I see it it's no surprise that

adding thyroid replacement would push me into

hyperthyroid. Those bouts have been so hard on my

heart and caused so much stress I believe it only

makes my already fatigued adrenals even more so.

From what I understand people are using physiologic

doses of hydro cortisone to enable them to tolerate

the thyroid replacement.

I have had a strong sense not to do that. This could

change but so far I still feel that way. This is not

related to the scarey information about steriods. I

just sense not to and have been trusting myself.

I am waiting for Iodoral and hoping that will turn

things around.

Abbe

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Abbe I have been on HC for almost 2 years. It has done nothing but GOOD

for me. I have lost 93 pounds in the last year and have not had a sick

day in a LONG time. Haven't bee to a doctor except for ONCE for a check

up fro anesthesia to have my teeth out in EIGHT years! But I take alot

of meds. Armour 6.5 grains a day and 30MG HC a day. I no longer have

swelling or fluid retention or pain in my legs, feet or anywhere. No

more headaches, and I love water where as before I couldn't drink it as

it tasted bad to me. ANY of it! I do use Lugol's topically, mainly

because it lowered my need for extra T3 meds but I still take 50-70MCG a

day of Tertroxin (a T3 med) which works perfectly for my weird system.

When I took it orally, I felt worse, so I went back to topical

application and will most likely stay there. A couple weeks ago I tried

a different T3 med and man did I swell and my BP shot up really bad, but

I am back on my old meds now and all that is gone. this is why I know T3

levels have ALOT to do with swelling and high BP.

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Avoid table salt. Use sea salt instead. Most everyone is iodine deficient due to the soil depletion and the use of halogens such as fluoride and chlorine which grab up what little iodine you intake and pulls it right back out of your thyroid. Adrenals slow down and your body metabolism drops as well. Check your basal temp and avoid the expensive useless tests that the 'profession' offers as they are bunk. Increase your potassium intake. It is the balance between potassium and sodium that causes the edema. Vitamin C in large quantities is also helpful. If you need to build up calcium, the best way is to use manganese and organic silica. These two substances build up calcium like nothing else does. Get plenty of un-filtered sunlight (no sun glasses or tanning lotions), this produces vitamin D which is required by the gut to absorb calcium and phosphorus. Don't take diuretics and if the doctor puts you on estrogen replacement therapy you have my permission to shoot him. $%@)!! & S$ Quacks...Grrrrrrrr.....

-- swelling lower ankles feet

I know swelling in the ankles/feet can be related toheart problems but for a number of reasons I do notthink it is for me.I suspect either hypothyroidism, adrenals or both.I have not begun iodine therapy yet, waiting for orderto come in.I just wondered if anyone could give me a suggestionabout this. The swelling in feet appears to beaggravating an old injury in one of my feet makingwalking a bit difficult.Thanks,Abbe__________________________________________________

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Why is that? Sodium is Sodium, no matter whether it comes from sea

salt or table salt.

Alobar

On 6/21/06, braguet@... <braguet@...> wrote:

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> Sea salt should not cause this, only table salt.

>

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> Bonnie __.

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Oh no! Salt is not just salt. When table salt is made it is stripped of its mineral content and other nasty junk is added. Aluminum oxide prevents clumping and is added to commercial table salt for that purpose. Alzheimer's disease has been linked to aluminum. Also the crystalline matrix is altered by the processing so that the end product isn't natural and its vibratory resonant frequencies are shifted as a result. There are no doubt ion differentials as well effectively making the product something other than true salt. I could research that but I don't want to waste time chasing down those answers as it is very well-known that sea salt is the correct choice and table salt constitutes another man-made poison.

-- Re: swelling lower ankles feet

Why is that? Sodium is Sodium, no matter whether it comes from seasalt or table salt.AlobarOn 6/21/06, braguetaol <braguetaol> wrote:>>>> Sea salt should not cause this, only table salt.>>> Bonnie __.

[Guest guest]

But edema (swelling) comes from an excess of Sodium. Both sea

salt and table salt have high Sodium. Yes, table salt is filled

with gunk, but edema comes from too much Sodium.

Alobar

On 6/21/06, comdyne@... <comdyne@...> wrote:

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>

>

>

> Oh no! Salt is not just salt. When table salt is made it is stripped of its

mineral content and other nasty junk is added. Aluminum oxide prevents clumping

and is added to commercial table salt for that purpose. Alzheimer's disease has

been linked to aluminum. Also the crystalline matrix is altered by the

processing so that the end product isn't natural and its vibratory resonant

frequencies are shifted as a result. There are no doubt ion differentials as

well effectively making the product something other than true salt. I could

research that but I don't want to waste time chasing down those answers as it is

very well-known that sea salt is the correct choice and table salt constitutes

another man-made poison.

>

[Guest guest]

--- Alobar <Alobar@...> wrote:

> But edema (swelling) comes from an excess of

> Sodium. Both sea

> salt and table salt have high Sodium. Yes, table

> salt is filled

> with gunk, but edema comes from too much Sodium.

>

> Alobar

>

I am here standing-up at the computer It may have

to do with ratio of sodium intake to water intake. I

have used regular sea salt for years and only recently

got the Celtic Sea Salt which is quite different.

Think water and lots of it.

Abbe

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>>But edema (swelling) comes from an excess of Sodium. Both sea

salt and table salt have high Sodium. Yes, table salt is filled

with gunk, but edema comes from too much Sodium.<,

Whjere do you find that edema comes form excess sodium? Show me the

labs! I actually was swelling from LOW dosium as when your body needs

salt it will retain fluid so that no more sodium is lost. I was swellin

horribl y 8 years go so bad I was in Congestive Heart Failure an dof

course, listening to my doctors who told me to cut salt out of my diet.

I did and it got worse! Then I read a website that explained about fluid

retention from LOW sodium, and it fit. I have taken 1-2 tsp of sea salt

evey day sine then for the last 8 years and I no longer swell/.

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Not so. The form of sodium in processed salts crosses the transmembrane of the cells that normally contains only potassium. Sea salt crystals do not enter the cell but remain in the extracellular fluids because their crystalline size is larger than the receptor sites on the cellular walls. Salt in the body is an ocean so-to-speak and its presence is vital for our normal operation for we are electrical machines and salt is a component of chemical electrical generation. Edema is caused by low cellular potassium, not excess sodium.

Cancer cells suck up sodium which is one of the determining factors in determining whether or not a cell is malignant. Healthy cells contain very little sodium and the existence of sodium outside the cell and potassium inside the cell forms an electrical battery which has potential differences between their inner and outer membranes which is a true DC battery. Healthy cells produce transmembrane voltages ranging from 70 to 100 millivolts! That is a fantastic amount of electricity from such a small source. When Dr. W. Crile discovered this in the 1930s, everyone was totally shocked. He should have been awarded the Nobel Prize for this discovery. He went on to establish the Cleveland Clinic.

The molecular crystal angle is critical and even though both substances are sodium by definition, the same chemically, the two are very different in their electrical attraction and repulsion due to these angles of their atomic structure.

Edema occurs because of low cellular electrical potentials that permits the electron bonding of sodium in healthy cellular environments to maintain balance to become weak, and the water content separates and collects in the lower extremities.

The heart function associated with this is due to high acidity which reduces the electrical conductive pathways in the heart. Heart attacks are caused by ventricular acidosis due to the loss of signal strength of the timed synchronized electrical pulses that cause the muscle sequence chain events that produce pumping. Blood clots form after the heart attack, not before. All that we are led to believe about the mechanism of the cause of heart attacks erronious. The masked quacks simply do not know what they are doing. Oh the humanity...!

-- Re: swelling lower ankles feet

But edema (swelling) comes from an excess of Sodium. Both seasalt and table salt have high Sodium. Yes, table salt is filledwith gunk, but edema comes from too much Sodium.AlobarOn 6/21/06, comdyneiac (DOT) net <comdyneintcom (DOT) net> wrote:>>>>> Oh no! Salt is not just salt. When table salt is made it is stripped of its mineral content and other nasty junk is added. Aluminum oxide prevents clumping and is added to commercial table salt for that purpose. Alzheimer's disease has been linked to aluminum. Also the crystalline matrix is altered by the processing so that the end product isn't natural and its vibratory resonant frequencies are shifted as a result. There are no doubt ion differentials as well effectively making the product something other than true salt. I could research that but I don't want to waste time chasing down those answers as it is very well-known that sea salt is the correct choice and table salt constitutes another man-made poison.>

[Guest guest]

My feet swelled when I was pregnant. Taking Concentrace minerals took

care of it.

Irene

At 11:09 AM 6/21/2006, you wrote:

I know swelling in the

ankles/feet can be related to

heart problems but for a number of reasons I do not

think it is for me.

I suspect either hypothyroidism, adrenals or both.

I have not begun iodine therapy yet, waiting for order

to come in.

I just wondered if anyone could give me a suggestion

about this. The swelling in feet appears to be

aggravating an old injury in one of my feet making

walking a bit difficult.

Thanks,

Abbe

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[Guest guest]

I think we'd better drop this thread as it has nothing to do

with Iodine. You make claims, but no web references. You could be

right, as I am sure not all-knowing, but the claims you make do not

make sense to me. Salt in solution is a bunch of Ions. Sodium ion

size is determined by chemistry and not how the salt was treated.

All Sodium ions are identical in size.

Alobar

On 6/21/06, comdyne@... <comdyne@...> wrote:

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>

>

>

> Not so. The form of sodium in processed salts crosses the transmembrane of the

cells that normally contains only potassium. Sea salt crystals do not enter the

cell but remain in the extracellular fluids because their crystalline size is

larger than the receptor sites on the cellular walls. Salt in the body is an

ocean so-to-speak and its presence is vital for our normal operation for we are

electrical machines and salt is a component of chemical electrical generation.

Edema is caused by low cellular potassium, not excess sodium.

>

[Guest guest]

" Labs " implies doctors. I can't afford doctors. Back about 6 years

ago I took some time off work, stayed home, wrote a lot at the

computer, and ate canned food. My ankles swelled up. I asked a

friend who was a nurse. He said, " Try cutting back on Sodium. " I

did so. Edema went away, and has not been back since.

By no means am I saying that high sodium is the onlyu cause of ankle

swelling. But it is one of the causes which might be looked at.

Alobar

On 6/21/06, <artisticgroomer@...> wrote:

> >>But edema (swelling) comes from an excess of Sodium. Both sea

> salt and table salt have high Sodium. Yes, table salt is filled

> with gunk, but edema comes from too much Sodium.<,

>

> Whjere do you find that edema comes form excess sodium? Show me the

> labs!

[Guest guest]

>>Back about 6 years

ago I took some time off work, stayed home, wrote a lot at the

computer, and ate canned food. My ankles swelled up.<<

Yes from BAD salt! The stuff they add to it to make it flow freely is

one of the worst poisons we ingest. I donlt think anyone would argue

that table salt is good for you.. It isn't! But I have not had any

problems with the sea salt. But maybe I am just lucky.Or may adrenals

are bad enough I lose salt.

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Right on Val! You are right!

-- Re: swelling lower ankles feet

>>But edema (swelling) comes from an excess of Sodium. Both seasalt and table salt have high Sodium. Yes, table salt is filledwith gunk, but edema comes from too much Sodium.<,Whjere do you find that edema comes form excess sodium? Show me the labs! I actually was swelling from LOW dosium as when your body needs salt it will retain fluid so that no more sodium is lost. I was swellin horribl y 8 years go so bad I was in Congestive Heart Failure an dof course, listening to my doctors who told me to cut salt out of my diet. I did and it got worse! Then I read a website that explained about fluid retention from LOW sodium, and it fit. I have taken 1-2 tsp of sea salt evey day sine then for the last 8 years and I no longer swell/.-- Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WVMy Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations The BEST thyroid website! http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

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Ok, if that's what you want. Here is a web reference:

http://www.healthy.net/scr/article.asp?ID=2063

Dr. Broeringmeyer in his video on magnetic diagnosis describes this process in great detail. It was not sold commercially and only provided to people who paid to attend his seminars.

-- Re: swelling lower ankles feet

I think we'd better drop this thread as it has nothing to dowith Iodine. You make claims, but no web references. You could beright, as I am sure not all-knowing, but the claims you make do notmake sense to me. Salt in solution is a bunch of Ions. Sodium ionsize is determined by chemistry and not how the salt was treated.All Sodium ions are identical in size.AlobarOn 6/21/06, comdyneiac (DOT) net <comdyneintcom (DOT) net> wrote:>>>>> Not so. The form of sodium in processed salts crosses the transmembrane of the cells that normally contains only potassium. Sea salt crystals do not enter the cell but remain in the extracellular fluids because their crystalline size is larger than the receptor sites on the cellular walls. Salt in the body is an ocean so-to-speak and its presence is vital for our normal operation for we are electrical machines and salt is a component of chemical electrical generation. Edema is caused by low cellular potassium, not excess sodium.>

[Guest guest]

Nothing in the link which I disagree with or which is new material to

me. No mention of different size Sodium ions betweeen sea salt and

table salt either.

Alobar

On 6/21/06, comdyne@... <comdyne@...> wrote:

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>

>

>

> Ok, if that's what you want. Here is a web reference:

>

> http://www.healthy.net/scr/article.asp?ID=2063

>

> Dr. Broeringmeyer in his video on magnetic diagnosis describes this

process in great detail. It was not sold commercially and only provided to

people who paid to attend his seminars.

>

>

[Guest guest]

> The interesting thing, though, is after two months

> without any thyroid replacement on my recent test T3

> was normal T4 only slightly low 0.7 and TSH High 23.68

> (which, frankly, I do not view as outrageously high).

Abbe....I had a horrible problem with swollen ankle last summer when

my TSH was around 13.5. When I got it back down to normal levels the

swelling went away. I've not had much of problem since. I have serious

osteoarthritis in one ankle from an old break so swelling and damage

from that is very serious for me and I pay attention to my ankles.

My TH was temporarily high from oral estrogen I was experimenting with

during the summer. I'm back on transdermal now with no problems and

feeling great.

I'm curious why you don't see 23.68 as high?

Lynn

[Guest guest]

> Nothing in the link which I disagree with or which is new material to

> me. No mention of different size Sodium ions betweeen sea salt and

> table salt either.

ALobar,

I also find that if I increase my sea salt consumption too it can

result in swelling. It's interesting though that it rarely result in

the thrist sensations I get with regular salt (you know that horrible

thirstiness you get 2 hours after chinese food..I hate that)

I don't think swelling is as bad with celtic salts either...but really

haven't paid close attention to this. Maybe the minerals in the salts

are balancing the sodium.

I don't work at limiting my salt but neither do I go crazy with it. I

don't feel that great if I use too much.

Lynn

>

[Guest guest]

On 6/21/06, Lynn <lyn122@...> wrote:

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>

> I don't work at limiting my salt but neither do I go crazy with it. I

> don't feel that great if I use too much.

>

> Lynn

Observing what one's body wants and practicing moderation is useful

for most anything.

Alobar

[Guest guest]

In my experience with salt I will blow up

like a balloon with table salt but I never retain water with sea salt.

MSG is another problem that causes me to

retain masses amounts of water. There is

a lot of msg in canned foods.

Allyn

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Subject: Re: swelling

lower ankles feet

" Labs "

implies doctors. I can't afford doctors. Back about 6 years

ago I took some time off work, stayed home, wrote a lot at the

computer, and ate canned food. My ankles swelled up. I asked a

friend who was a nurse. He said, " Try cutting back on Sodium. " I

did so. Edema went away, and has not been back since.

By no means am I saying that high sodium is the onlyu cause of ankle

swelling. But it is one of the causes which might be looked at.

Alobar

On 6/21/06, <artisticgroomerjfwebs>

wrote:

> >>But edema (swelling) comes from an excess of Sodium. Both sea

> salt and table salt have high Sodium. Yes, table salt is filled

> with gunk, but edema comes from too much Sodium.<,

>

> Whjere do you find that edema comes form excess sodium? Show me the

> labs!