RE: Re: Rind and iodine -- Sharon/Hashimoto's & Iodine

November 17, 2006

I don't have much time right now--I actually have 900 unread emails, acccchhhh. Thanks for your detailed response. what I look at is history of severity of symptoms and dose of iodine. If dose is lower than 50mg and symptoms are screaming hypo, I think 50mg is warranted, based on my experience using it. Then there is the adrenal component. Factor in loading tests as well. Iodine is good for more than just thyroid--I only have half a thyroid gland and still my body keeps absorbing and absorbing it.

gracia

Or it could indicate that, in her case, iodine is contra-indicated due the the stage of her disease. Iodine therapy is good for a lot of things. I think the jury is still out on its effectiveness with Hashi's patients. Its effectiveness may well depend upon how advanced their disease is. I don't think one can necessarily make a blanket statement about iodine treatment & Hashi's.

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November 17, 2006

Those same trace minerals are in the sea salt. So I think we all agree that

the trace minerals are necessary. Who thought I could ever take a teaspoon

full of salt and still have normal blood pressure and no edema!

--- sharflin <sharflin@...> wrote:

> I appreciated the previous post as well. My theory (and of course if it

> is true it may only be true for some of us) is that the stage of

> Hashi's is not the issue but it is the state of nutritional deficiency

> that is keeping me from tolerating iodine. I was just diagnosed with

> Hashi's - am not even on thyroid hormones - and I couldn't tolerate

> iodine - so the problem is not specific to late stage Hashi's. Also,

> the thyroid is just one part of the body that needs iodine and people

> without thyroids have said they not only tolerate but flourish with

> iodine.

>

> My Red Blood Cell analysis showed an unusally low copper level, which

> other sources say is related to hyperthyroidism (my reaction to

> iodine). Since I have been working on getting my vitamin and mineral

> levels up, I have already noticed an ability to handle more iodine.

> Though I have been very conservative with the iodine, wanting to give

> everything time to balance. So this is just a tentative conclusion. But

> one worth investigating. In particular, trace minerals (I've been using

> ConcenTrace brand) have been incredibly helpful. So much so that I

> wonder if it wouldn't make sense to recommend them just the same way we

> recommend selenium, vit C and magnesium to those supplementing iodine.

> Of course, it might be just me - I would like to hear how other do with

> trace minerals.

>

> Sharon

>

> > I especially appreciated your post as I am a Hashi's patient who

> > also has felt unwell/ill from iodine. even vitamins with iodine

> > after a couple of days will have that effect. I too have thought it

> > odd to be encouraged to take more when my body was obviously telling

> > me otherwise. And like you speculate, I have also speculated that

> > my reaction has something to do with the stage of my Hashi's which

> > is late stage atrophic. How can a fibrous atrophic thyroid gland

> > even store iodine? And if it can't, do the other parts of my body

> > get overloaded and thus toxic? I wish Brownstein had info

> > about " stage " of disease as I think it's a factor.

>

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November 17, 2006

Abraham and Brownstein's stance on autoimmune thyroiditis (Hashimoto's):

" We previously presented evidence that autoimmune thyroiditis is due to iodine

and magnesium deficiency, not iodine excess, and patients with autoimmune

thyroiditis have responded to this nutritional program. "

http://www.townsendletter.com/July2006/iodinerebuttal3_0706.htm

How do you know you are just not detoxing bromide or heavy metals? Could be

just the thing you need most is what you are now convinced you can't take. I

believe a number of us with hashi's had initial difficulties taking the iodine.

--- cindi22595 <cindi22595@...> wrote:

> I especially appreciated your post as I am a Hashi's patient who

> also has felt unwell/ill from iodine. even vitamins with iodine

> after a couple of days will have that effect. I too have thought it

> odd to be encouraged to take more when my body was obviously telling

> me otherwise. And like you speculate, I have also speculated that

> my reaction has something to do with the stage of my Hashi's which

> is late stage atrophic. How can a fibrous atrophic thyroid gland

> even store iodine? And if it can't, do the other parts of my body

> get overloaded and thus toxic? I wish Brownstein had info

> about " stage " of disease as I think it's a factor.

>

> I also note as you do that Brownstein is specific about how dosing

> can be " individual " and I think that is a wise thing to remember as

> well as remembing that Hashi's patients may need to be extra

> cautious. I have reminded folks that he did not promote iodine as a

> hypo cure, but rather as a complimentary therapy. Only 1/3 of the

> folks changed their thyroid hormone dosage. As for Hashi's

> patients, he is not specific about what any hormone dose adjustments

> so I have wondered if it was a negligible amount.

>

> Thankfully I do not have thyroid nodules, fibrocystic breast disease

> or other conditions that I would definitely want to use iodine for

> as therapy...since obviously my body rejects extra supplementation.

> I suppose i do get some from food sources.

>

> But I appreciate you giving some balance to the conversation in

> regards to Hashimoto's patients.

> Cindi

>

> >

> > Or it could indicate that, in her case, iodine is contra-indicated

> > due the the stage of her disease. Iodine therapy is good for a lot

> > of things. I think the jury is still out on its effectiveness with

> > Hashi's patients. Its effectiveness may well depend upon how

> > advanced their disease is. I don't think one can necessarily make

> a

> > blanket statement about iodine treatment & Hashi's.

> >

> > http://www.thyroidmanager.org/chapter8/8__iodide_metabolism.htm

> > " ...Many patients with Hashimoto's thyroiditis do not respond to

> > injected TSH with the expected increase in RAIU or release of

> > hormone from the gland(81). These findings probably mean that the

> > gland is partially destroyed by the autoimmune attack and is

> unable

> > to augment iodine metabolism further...Iodide is actively

> > transported from blood to thyrocytes and recently the sodium /

> > iodide symporter (NIS) has been cloned. Antibodies against NIS

> were

> > found in autoimmune thyroid disease(83). This antibody has an

> > inhibitory activity on iodide transport and may modulate the

> thyroid

> > function in Hashimoto's thyroiditis. More recent studies reported

> > rather low prevalence (less than 10%) of anti-NIS antibodies in

> > Hashimoto's disease and clinical relevance is still unknown(84),

> > (85). "

>

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>From: <kennio@...>

>How do you know you are just not detoxing bromide or heavy metals? Could

>be

>just the thing you need most is what you are now convinced you can't take.

>I

>believe a number of us with hashi's had initial difficulties taking the

>iodine.

I agree with . I don't know what the iodine does to you. The biggest

concern is if it makes you hyper. If it doesn't there's probably little

risk.

Before this group, I took iodine a few times and would stop because I didn't

feel well and had no idea why. Now that I've taken it for a few months, I'm

fine on it.

I haven't had Cortef in a month now, and I think it's the iodine that

strengthened my adrenals enough to go without it.

I also felt well enough to stop my Armour. (I was never perfect on thyroid

meds, but would have been crippled or died without them.) I haven't had

Armour in about two weeks. I'm keeping an eye on that situation, as when my

hypo symptoms come back, I'll be back on it quickly. But, for now, my

temps are still normal, I'm not cold, not more fatigued I'm wondering if I

need to go back on.

It doesn't make that much sense to me, but they were saying that thyroid

meds will keep your thyroid from absorbing the iodine, so if one is

hypothyroid because they are iodine deficient, how will they ever know

without stopping the meds? For all I know, in the iodine depleted state of

Michigan, which left many of the people who lived here in the mid 70s with a

lot of bromine (PBB) in our systems, maybe iodine is our real cure.

I don't have Hashimoto's, but according to thyroidmanager.org, 1/4 of

Hashi's cases resolve on their own, they don't know why. Iodine might be

one factor.

Unlike , I never made going off Armour / Cortef as a goal. It was

actually not important, but of course if I can that's all the better.

Of course, part of the help might be the fact that I'm now dreaming, which

implies REM sleep. Something I hadn't done much in two decades.

As for the state of your thyroid, iodine has healing properties for the

skin. I don't know if that means a shriveled up thyroid can become normal

again, but it does get rid of dead cells and help regenerate new ones, so it

might still be helpful. I'd probably rub it directly on my thyroid on the

outside, if I were in your position, so as much as possible goes to the

thyroid.

Skipper

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