Guest guest Posted June 19, 2000 Report Share Posted June 19, 2000 Jo, Wow, I am so sorry for your predicament (sp?). I thought I had difficult inlaws! I have just begun looking for all this stuff myself since my 2 yr old was diagnosed with diabetes. So I say good luck and fight for what you know is right. I'd be so tempted to pull my kids out of their lives as fast as possible. You know they will never care for them the way you would want them to. That is scary. Take care, Lorna >From: JustMOMThanks@... >Reply-Vaccinationsegroups >Vaccinationsegroups >Subject: OMG >Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 03:27:33 EDT >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from [208.50.144.68] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBB17166C00CBD820F3D3D032904487AE79; Mon Jun 19 00:28:00 2000 >Received: from [10.1.10.37] by cj. with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2000 >07:27:40 -0000 >Received: (qmail 28749 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2000 07:27:38 -0000 >Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m3.onelist.org with QMQP; 19 Jun >2000 07:27:38 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.37) by mta1 >with SMTP; 19 Jun 2000 07:27:37 -0000 >Received: from JustMOMThanks@... by imo-d05.mx.aol.com >(mail_out_v27.10.) id a.20.77191f5 (4233) for <Vaccinationsegroups>; >Mon, 19 Jun 2000 03:27:33 -0400 (EDT) >From sentto-15657-9874-961399659-fiddler02 Mon Jun 19 00:31:09 2000 >X-eGroups-Return: >sentto-15657-9874-961399659-fiddler02=hotmail.comreturns (DOT) onelist.com >Message-ID: <20.77191f5.267f2565@...> >X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 101 >Mailing-List: list Vaccinationsegroups; contact >Vaccinations-owneregroups >Delivered-mailing list Vaccinationsegroups >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:Vaccinations-unsubscribeegroups> > >I am sure you guys remember how I asked for vaccination links to proove to >my >in-laws that a shouldn't be vaxed. Now they say that ANYTHING can be >put on the internet...and they want hard proof, like books and magazine >articles. I forwarded the Money magazine article on to them. But, that's >not the OMG part. We got a letter from their attorney on Friday, stating >that they are filing a custody suit, because they feel we are endangering >a. The letter says that our court date is June 26...but we haven't >gotten a subpoena, yet...so I don't know if it's a scare tactic or not. We >are going on Friday to Virginia. My in-laws don't know, yet that we are >coming. We are taking a lap-top with us...but I would like to be able to >go >the library once we get there...and get the books that have " hard proof " of >what we've been saying all along. Also, how do I get a hard copy of the >vaccination package inserts? Thanks. Also, pray for us...I know they >can't >get her...but I'm still shaken up. > >Jo ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2000 Report Share Posted June 19, 2000 Unfortunately, I don't have the links you need, but I would suggest getting your own lawyer first!! If they want to play hardball then you've got to cover your own a**. I wouldn't go to them and give them any proof either way - its none of their damned business whether your child is vax'd or not!!! Tell them you'll see them in court. Just my 2 cents, ~ Aydn's Mama p.s....as far as them wanting "hard proof" like books and magazine articles - *anything* can be printed up too! The only hard proof I'd give 'em (if it was my situation) is a hard kick in the pants! >:^( ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JustMOMThanks@... wrote: I am sure you guys remember how I asked for vaccination links to proove to my in-laws that a shouldn't be vaxed. Now they say that ANYTHING can be put on the internet...and they want hard proof, like books and magazine articles. I forwarded the Money magazine article on to them. But, that's not the OMG part. We got a letter from their attorney on Friday, stating that they are filing a custody suit, because they feel we are endangering a. The letter says that our court date is June 26...but we haven't gotten a subpoena, yet...so I don't know if it's a scare tactic or not. We are going on Friday to Virginia. My in-laws don't know, yet that we are coming. We are taking a lap-top with us...but I would like to be able to go the library once we get there...and get the books that have "hard proof" of what we've been saying all along. Also, how do I get a hard copy of the vaccination package inserts? Thanks. Also, pray for us...I know they can't get her...but I'm still shaken up. Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2000 Report Share Posted June 19, 2000 Jo, Don't think they can't take her. I would definately get an attorney. I don't think they are reasonable. Is one of them an MD? That is the only way I could see them being so pushy. I recently had an immunization nurse tell me she selectively vaccinated after her child had a reaction to DPT and a PH.D in immunology/molecular biology tell me she vaccinated her child for only one disease. Be careful about Virginia they play hardball there. DO NOT be niave and think they won't take her. Walene runs the Vaccination Liberation. She is located in Virginia Beach, VA her number is 757-486-3129. She wrote Immunization the Reality Behind the Myth. She has many documentations. Her daughter fought a battle with the state of VA who tried to take custody of her son in the 1980s. I would strongly encourage you getting an attorney. Contact Walene for suggestions on Va law if this is where they live. AND don't be niave...I am not kidding. This is your daughter and it is obvious that they have their own agenda. It sounds like no evidence will convince them. Maybe Walene would be willing to show some of her proof...but their stupidity might not be able to be changed. JustMOMThanks@... wrote: > > I am sure you guys remember how I asked for vaccination links to proove to my > in-laws that a shouldn't be vaxed. Now they say that ANYTHING can be > put on the internet...and they want hard proof, like books and magazine > articles. I forwarded the Money magazine article on to them. But, that's > not the OMG part. We got a letter from their attorney on Friday, stating > that they are filing a custody suit, because they feel we are endangering > a. The letter says that our court date is June 26...but we haven't > gotten a subpoena, yet...so I don't know if it's a scare tactic or not. We > are going on Friday to Virginia. My in-laws don't know, yet that we are > coming. We are taking a lap-top with us...but I would like to be able to go > the library once we get there...and get the books that have " hard proof " of > what we've been saying all along. Also, how do I get a hard copy of the > vaccination package inserts? Thanks. Also, pray for us...I know they can't > get her...but I'm still shaken up. > > Jo > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Remember four years of good friends, bad clothes, explosive chemistry > experiments. > 1/5532/7/_/489317/_/961399659/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- @... *************************************************************** Any information obtained here is not to be construed as medical OR legal advice. The decision to vaccinate and how you implement that decision is yours and yours alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2000 Report Share Posted June 19, 2000 I'm sending a generic letter I wrote to my daughter's doctor. I'm court ordered to ALLOW her to be vaccinated. I don't have time right now to share my plight but this worked. My daughter's doctor is now my daughter's X doctor. She kicked us to the curb which is a good thing I hate pediatrician's any ways. I'm sending a copy as an attachment as well because the documentation/references list gets weird. I agree with whoever it was that said I'd not send them anything, it's none of their business. In fact, I might lie and say you changed your mind just to get them off your back. I've gone down the court road and it's a tough road to take. I'd rather be a martyer somewhere else. Ya, I know we should fight for the cause.. rah rah.. I'm still a little jaded though. You can't fight stupidity. NOT when it comes to the well being of our babies. Good luck. October 16, 1997 M. Larsen (Winter V. Coynes’ mother) 3825 W. Dalphin Phoenix, Arizona 85051 (623) 548-1239 RE: Vaccinations: Risk vs. Benefit. Legal Implications Dear Dr. Barbara Ledinicky MD, 5040 N. 15th Ave Phoenix, Arizona 85015 (602) 263-9550 Fax: (602) 263-8212 This letter is written for the purpose of stating my position on vaccinations. My daughter, Winter Coyne is being seen in your office on Friday October 22, 1999 for thrush and possibly vaccinations, which concerns me. My position is clear: Vaccinations carry significant risks, and are not necessary. I will not patronize you with the more trivial details. You are a physician and I presume you know both sides of the vaccine paradigm, at least I hope so. My conclusion is based on years of objective investigation and research. I have found there is good reason to be concerned. It’s been brought to my attention that I am not the only one concerned with vaccine safety. The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) has advised the U.S. Congress and the Department of Health and Human Services to reverse its policy of recommending mandatory vaccines until better studies can be done on their safety. As you may know, her father and I have joint custody of Winter. I have limited custody by law, which includes Winter 's health, specifically during critical medical conditions. Thus, if Winter’s father decides to implement the vaccines, I am requesting a written and signed statement from you indicating that Winter is healthy and disease free, based on a physical examination. I am also requesting the specific vaccine lot numbers to be forwarded to me. This is in the event of any unexpected critical medical condition that may develop in the form of an adverse vaccine reaction. I am aware that VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System) documented cases of over 54,000 adverse reactions from vaccines in a 20-month period. The National Vaccine Injury Fund, created in 1986 to compensate those damaged by vaccines has paid out over one billion dollars in compensation to date. I’m also aware that according to former FDA Commissioner Dr. Kessler, less than 10% of doctor’s report vaccine-adverse reactions. I’m very curious as to what the real numbers of vaccine damage. So the handouts in your office are grossly inaccurate. I’m aware of the shoddy pre and post testing tactics as well. This position may make you uncomfortable. It should, if by chance you have overlooked the potential and harmful side effects of routine inoculations. I will tell you straight. I will initiate a lawsuit if Winter is injured or develops a vaccine reaction. Of course, the waiver that Mike may sign, will impede litigation, but my signature will not be on the waiver. I find it quite curious that no insurance company is willing to insure vaccines. I am writing this to you because I do care about the health and welfare of Winter. I am ready to pursue all reasonable and legal avenues if necessary in order to preserve Winter's health. Please chart in bold red letters than Winter will not need the chicken pox vaccine since she had a case of them when she was about 13 months old and now has life long natural immunity. Please also note, Winter has an older sibling that experienced an adverse vaccine reaction after receiving her DPT, a seizure. Albeit, they have different fathers, but she reacted adversely just the same. Winter’s siblings, cousins, and niece are not fully vaccinated so please be advised that if her father implements the recommended vaccine schedule, the vaccines should all be killed viruses since the risk of vaccine associated transmission is great, mainly the OPV. POLIO: I understand that there have been no cases of wild polio in the US in the last 20 years and that those cases which have been documented have been caused by the vaccine in both immunized and non-immunized people. The CDC sheet that doctors are required by law to give to parents still states that so-called contact polio is a risk only for people who never have been vaccinated against the disease. The CDC knows better. Minutes from a June1995 meeting of the CDC’s advisory committee on immunizations show the organization realized that people who were vaccinated are susceptible to contract polio. I understand the following side effects for the vaccine are possible: Killed virus polio: temperature of 102° in up to 38%, sleepiness, fussiness, crying, decreased appetite, vomiting, Guillain-Barré Syndrome and allergic reaction in those allergic to neomycin, polymyxin B and streptomycin. Live virus polio: Reactions include contraction of polio by those who have received the virus and by those who have come into contact with body fluids and wastes of the immunized person. Paralytic symptoms may follow contraction of polio. Live virus is reportedly shed for up to 8 weeks after the inoculation. Guillain-Barré Syndrome has also been noted. Killed virus Ipol is grown on monkey kidney cells, contains formaldehyde, and triple antibiotics. The monkey kidney cells used in the original killed polio vaccine contains SV-40 and has been found in tumor cells of children whose parent's were vaccinated against polio using the contaminated virus. HIB: I am also concerned with the HiB vaccine. This vaccine will not protect children from meningitis from all other forms such as pneumococcus, and meningococcus, viruses, and fungi, pneumonia, and infections of the blood, joints, bone, and soft tissue associated with Hemophilus Influenzae B. I understand that this disease is most likely in children up to 15 months of age and is fatal in 3-6% of children who contract it. Winter is almost 3 years old now. Incidence of this disease today is low and the vaccine has not proven to be highly effective in 41% of cases, according to some studies. Treatment is available. The vaccine is often combined with the DPT which has the highest reaction rate of any vaccine available today. Reactions include: contracting HIB, localized pain, erythremia and induration, fever >100.6°, irritability, lethargy, anorexia, rhinorrhea, diarrhea, vomiting, cough, when administered alone and diabetes . Reactions occurred in up to 30% of patients. When administered in conjunction with the DPT, reactions include local tenderness erythema and induration, fever >100.8°, irritability, drowsiness, anorexia, diarrhea, vomiting, persistent crying, seizures, urticaria, hives, renal failure, Guillain-Barré Syndrome and death. Reactions occurred in up to 77.9% of patients. The vaccine contains yeast, thimerosal (mercury derivative), and diphtheria toxoid when given alone. Remember, Winter is being seen for a yeast problem and if this will exasperate the problem, it should be charted. Also remember, these yeasts and a host of other ingredients will be bypassing her natural port of entries each with their own immune defense, and will be going directly into her bloodstream. Something to really think about and how assaulting that is to her little immune system that’s not fully mature yet. DPT/DPaT: The DPT/DPaT vaccine has the highest rate of reactions next to the Hep B vaccine. My studies have uncovered, and well I have also personally witnessed some of the adverse vaccine reactions such as fevers >106, diarrhea, projectile vomiting, excessive sleepiness, high--pitched screaming, inconsolable crying bouts, seizures, convulsions, collapse, shock, breathing problems, brain damage and SIDS. One in 600 suffer a severe reaction in one study and 1 in 875 suffered shock-collapse and convulsions. Those in the 2nd study were only tracked for the first 48 hours following immunization. A more recent study indicates that 1 in 100 react with convulsions, collapse, or high-pitched screaming and 1 in 3 of those cases sustained permanent brain damage. ) In a study of 103 children who died of SIDS, 70% died within 3 weeks of the DPT vaccine and 37% of those died within the first week. The DaPT is recommended as a safer option for vaccination since there’s fewer MILDER side effects but the more dangeorus side effects stayed the same . Side effects of the DaPT were only tracked for 72 hours and included: tenderness, erythema, induration, fever >102.2°, drowsiness, fretfulness, vomiting, upper respiratory infection, diarrhea, rash, febrile seizures, persistent or unusual crying, lethargy, hypronic-hyporesponsive episode, urticaria, anaphylactic shock, convulsions, encephalopathy, mono- and polyneuropathies and still death. Either form of the vaccine contains thimerosal (mercury derivative), formaldehyde, and aluminum phosphate. Reactions to adsorbed diphtheria-pertussis-tetanus (DPT) vaccine have mostly been attributed to the pertussis organisms or pertussis components in the vaccine. Nevertheless reactions may also be due to other factors such as sensitization induced by aluminum adjuvants and impurities present in crude toxoids that cannot be removed by purification of toxoids after formalinization. MMR: I want to make a note of the documented issues surrounding combination vaccines, i.e. MMR and the DPT’s link with autism, in fact The Australian Vaccination Network is calling on the government to immediately halt all use of MMR vaccine until the proper studies are done to prove that there is no link between the vaccine and these conditions. Dr. Vijendra Singh with the University of Michigan, has published a report of a study in which he found that 60% of autistic children tested had antibodies to brain tissue, in the form of antibodies to myelin basic protein. He also found a strong correlation between myelin basic protein antibodies and antibodies to measles, mumps, and rubella (almost all of the children had been immunized with MMR, and none had had these diseases. It’s quite elementary really, most autistic children have a high level of measles titers in their blood and haven’t even had the disease. This study confirms the results of a similar study published in The Lancet in 1998 by Dr. Wakefield of the Royal Free hospital in London, showing a link between MMR vaccination and Crohn's disease of the bowel and autism. If your truly interested in autoimmune diseases and autism in children, then as a healthcare professional, then you might consider contacting Dr. Schneider at 602-340-8717 at the Southwest Autism Research Center. Her children became autistic after their MMR and she had to leave her OB practice because she got sick after her Hep B vaccine. I understand the death rate for wild type measles is .03 in 100,000. I also understand that since 1984, over 55% of documented, confirmed cases of measles have been in fully immunized persons. The measles vaccine is a live vaccine, and carries the risk that it will cause the patient to contract measles. Other adverse reactions include: anaphylaxis, fever up to one month following injection, cough, rhinitis, erythema multiforme, lymphadenopathy, urticaria, diarrhea, febrile convulsions, seizures, thrombocytopenia, purpura, vasculitis, optic neuritis, retrobulbar neuritis, papillitis, retinitis, encephalitis and encephalopathy, ocular palsies, Guillain-Barré Syndrome, ataxia, and subacute sclerosing panencephalitis and a recent study from Europe indicates that there may be a link between the MMR (measles/mumps/rubella) vaccine and autism and irritable bowel syndrome. My next issue with the rubella part of this combo vaccine is it’s made on aborted fetal cells, namely RA 27/3 and WI-38.. There’s also studies concerned with all the different vaccines given at one time. Again, if Mike chooses to implement the vaccines I hope he will at least spread them out. Hep B: You and I both know how this virus is transmitted and my daughter is not engaged in promiscuous sex or drug use. Accordingly to the CDC there’s an ever so slight risk of transmission from a toothbrush but you and I both know there has to be a LOT of blood AND an exchange of blood for this to happen. I’m not a carrier or am I infected and neither is anyone else Winter is around. I also understand there is a fairly new “antibiotic” for Hep B and that most of those who contract it recover. As reported by Tucson-based executive director of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeon’s Executive Director Jane M. Orient, MD,, serious adverse effects after receiving the vaccine -- including 48 deaths -- are reported three times as frequently as cases of hepatitis B in children under the age of 14. I have a good friend whose baby died within 12 hours of the hepatitis B vaccine and as a result attended the victim’s panel in the May 18th congressional hearing into the hepatitis B vaccine. A reputable man and a former Salomon Brother's proprietary trading strategist and a current advisor to many of the largest financial institutions in the world, who has the requisite statistical background to interpret scientific data. Official CDC and FDA statistics show that in the 0-1 age group, babies are 20 times more likely to report a hepatitis B vaccine adverse reaction than to report a case of the hepatitis B disease. One third of the 25,000 hepatitis B vaccine adverse reaction reports are serious (death, hospitalization, disablement). The Rotavirus vaccine was just withdrawn from the market after about 100 adverse reaction reports. The hepatitis B vaccine has generated 250 times more adverse reactions (!) -- and yet the FDA, CDC and American Academy of Pediatrics still recommend this vaccine for newborns. Not suprisingly, Hepatitis B vaccine manufacturers are facing criminal lawsuits in France. B. Classen, M.D. an immunologist at Classen Immunotherapies published papers linking the immunization against hepatitis B and other diseases to the development of insulin dependent diabetes, an autoimmune disease. Dr. Classen's work found that immunization starting after 2 months of life was associated with an increased risk of autoimmunity compared to starting at birth Data from a small study published by the US government appears to support his data and showed that when hepatitis B immunization was given starting after 2 months of life it was associated with an almost doubling of the risk of diabetes. This vaccine also contains: aluminum hydroxide, yeast protein, and phosphate buffers. Again, yeast is an issue here. Vaccine Ingredients: Thimerosal was banned by the FDA in the use of over the counter preparations on October 22, 1998. Then on July 8, 1999, the FDA announced thimerosal should be removed from vaccinations since there is a concern of toxic levels of thimerosal (mercury) accumulation levels in those who ingest it through vaccination. The US has known about the potential problems of thimerosal for many years. The World Health Organization voiced concerns as early as 1990. Mercury is a highly toxic element which does not leave the body. Once ingested, injected, or inhaled, it is there to stay and accumulates. Because infants receive so many doses of vaccines which contain thimerosal, it is possible that the amount of mercury that accumulates is enough to cause problems including brain damage. Thimerosal is listed as a recognized developmental toxicant as well as a suspected skin or sense organ toxicant by the Environmental Defense Fund. Most infants have been receiving up to 15 doses of mercury-containing vaccines by the time they are 6 months old. It is almost inconceivable that these heavy burdens of foreign immunologic materials, introduced into the immature systems of children, could fail to bring about disruptions and adverse reactions in these in these systems. Public Health Service (PHS), the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), and vaccine manufacturers agree that thimerosal-containing vaccines should be removed as soon as possible. Similar conclusions were reached this year in a meeting attended by European regulatory agencies, European vaccine manufacturers, and th FDA, which examined the use of thimerosal-containing vaccines produced or sold in European countries. A small but growing minority of physicians and scientists are becoming aware that safety testings for the various vaccines have been woefully inadequate. As one of many examples, in 1994 a special committee of the National Academy of Sciences published a comprehensive review of the vaccine safety of the hepatitis B vaccine. When the committee investigated 5 possible and plausible adverse effects, they were unable to come to any conclusion for 4 of them because, to their dismay, they found that relevant safety research had not been done. The clear implication of this and other revelations concerning a general deficiency of safety testing in the vaccine field is that adverse reactions may be taking place on a large scale without being recognized as to their true nature. According to Dr. Orient, financial ties between vaccine manufacturers and medical groups such as the American Medical Association and American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) which endorse the vaccine, " pointing to a substantial donation to AAP from Merck & Co. " And the federal government pays the state a bonus up to $100 for every 'fully' vaccinated child. What's their motive – money or medicine? " If you can show me the hard proof that these vaccines won't give my child cancer, arthritis or multiple sclerosis, ADD, autism, Guillian-Barre Syndrome, seizures, a myrid of autoimmune disorders, and a host of other vaccine related side effects, both short term and long, AND when vaccines are subjected to the same level of scrutiny given to drugs that are not legally required by a government that indemnifies the manufacturers against civil liability. I'll then consider consenting to having my child vaccinated but until then I as a concerned parent must insist on a professional policy of accountability and responsibility, backed by the threat of litigation. Yours in Matters of Mutual Interest, Larsen PS If you are no longer the attending pediatric physician for Winter, please notify me of the change, and please provide me with the identity of her new pediatric physician. Also, if you don't know, be aware that the following batch numbers for the different vaccines have a history of causing severe to deadly vaccine reactions. DPT lot numbers starting with 433 and 428 DTaP a819A2, 827A2 SKB Hep B 2227A2 & 2250A2 SKB Hib M0039, M0061 & M0293/M0545 SKB OPV 0765D Hep B 0312E Merck OPV 442725 Lederly Recalled-Tripedia™ DTaP vaccine lot number 0916490 cc: Suzanna Goldman, Attorney at Law “National Physicians & Surgeons Assn. Advises Stopping Mandatory Vaccinations Vaccine Deaths, Damages Has Doctors Rethinking Public Health Policy,” 10-15-99, WASHINGTON, D.C. e M. Severyn RPh, Ph.D., “How Safe Are Vaccinations?” Catholic Twin Circle, Strebel, et al, " Epidemology in the U.S. One Decade After the Last Reported Case of Indigenous Wild Virus associated Disease, " Clinical Infectious Diseases, (Center for Disease Control, February 1992), pp. 568-79. ‘The Lethal Dangers of the Billion-Dollar Vaccine Business,” Rock, Money Magazine, Dec 1996 Physician's Desk Reference (PDR), 50th Edition; Medical Economics, 1996, p. 1388-1390. Ibid., p. 885-8860and 891-892. J. Butel, et al; " Molecular Evidence of Simian Virus 40 Infections in Children " , The Journal of Infectious Diseases ; September 1999;180:884-887. ‘The Lethal Dangers of the Billion-Dollar Vaccine Business,” Rock, Money Magazine, Dec 1996 PDR, 50th Edition, p. 872-875. BMJ 1999;319:1133 ( 23 October ), Letters Ibid. Ibid. Immunization: Survey of Recent Research, (United States Department of Health and Human Services, April 1983), p. 76. " Nature and Rates of Adverse Reactions Associated with DPT and DT Immunizations..., " Pediatrics, Volume 68, No. 5 (November 1981). Walene , Immunization the Reality Behind the Myth, (South Hadley, Massachusetts: Bergin & Garvey, 1988), p. 14. W.C. Torch, " Diphtheria-pertussis-tetanus (DPT) immunization: A potential cause of sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS), " (Amer. Academy of Neurology, 34th Annual Meeting, Apr 25 - May 1, 1982), Neurology 32(4), pt. 2. Mayo Health , IVI Publishing, “Whooping Cough: Acellular vaccine has fewer side effects,” September 12 1996 PDR, p. 875-879 and 892-895 Ibid. “Adverse Reactions After Injection Of Adsorbed Diphtheria-Pertussis-Tetanus (DPT) Vaccine Are Not Due Only To Pertussis Organisms Or Pertussis Components In The Vaccine,” Gupta RK, Relyveld EH, Vaccine 1991 Oct;9(10):699-702 “British Expert Does Back Flip, Admits that MMR Vaccine Could Cause Autism,” Monday, September 06, 1999 Singh V & Yang V. Serological association of measles virus and human herpesvirus-6 with brain autoantibodies in autism, Clinical Immunology and Immunopathology, Vol 88 (1); 1998: 105-108. Wakefield, AJ et al, Ileal-lymphoid-nodular hyperplasia, non-specific colitis, and pervasive developmental disorder in children, The Lancet, Vol 351, February 28, 1998: 637-641. R. Mendoholson; How to Raise a Healthy Child; p. 217. Jr., M.D., et al. " Measles Elimination - Final Impediments, " 20th Immunization Conference Proceedings, May 6-9, 1985, p. 21. PDR, p. 1610-1611. Sara Solovitch, " Do vaccines spur autism in kids? " , San Mercury News, 5/25/99. Toru Furukawa, MD; Takao Miyata, MD; Keizo Kondo, MD; Kunioshi Kuno, MD, Shin Isomura, MD; and Terko Takekoshi, MD, Nagoya, Japan., “Clinical Trials of RA 27/3 (Wistar Rubella Vaccine in Japan,” Amer J Dis Child – vol. 118, Aug 1969. PDR, p. 1478-1477, p. 1555-1556, 1993 “Gamma Globulin Prophylaxis; Inactivated Rubella Virus; Production and Biological Control of Live Attenuated Rubella Virus Vaccines,” Amer J Dis Child, Vol. 118, Aug 1969 “Production and Testing of Rubella Virus Vaccine prepared on WI-38 sell cultures.” Amer J Dis Child vol. 118 Aug 1969 “Attenuation Of RA 27/3 Rubella Virus in WI-38 Human Diploid Cells,” Amer J Dis Child, vol. 118, Aug 1969 “Studies of Immunization With Living Rubella Virus,” Arch J Dis Child, vol. 110, Oct 1965 Hanchette, " Safety of controversial hepatitis B vaccine at center of debate " Gannett News Service, 5/18/99. “National Physicians & Surgeons Assn. Advises Stopping Mandatory Vaccinations Vaccine Deaths, Damages Has Doctors Rethinking Public Health Policy,” 10-15-99, WASHINGTON, D.C. “Feds Vaccine Policy Under Fierce Fire,” Barry Forbes, The Tribune, Phoenix, Arizona, July 25, 199 “National Physicians & Surgeons Assn. Advises Stopping Mandatory Vaccinations Vaccine Deaths, Damages Has Doctors Rethinking Public Health Policy,” 10-15-99, WASHINGTON, D.C. Ibid. Federal Register 63(77):19799-19802,22 April 1998 Environmental Defense Fund - www.scorecard.com " IAC EXPRESS " , Issue Number 94 July 8, 1999 Buttram, H. The National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act: A Critique, The Townsend Letter for Doctors and Patients, October, 1998: 66-68 “Feds Vaccine Policy Under Fierce Fire,” Barry Forbes, The Tribune, Phoenix, Arizona, July 25, 199 JustMOMThanks@... wrote: > I am sure you guys remember how I asked for vaccination links to proove to my > in-laws that a shouldn't be vaxed. Now they say that ANYTHING can be > put on the internet...and they want hard proof, like books and magazine > articles. I forwarded the Money magazine article on to them. But, that's > not the OMG part. We got a letter from their attorney on Friday, stating > that they are filing a custody suit, because they feel we are endangering > a. The letter says that our court date is June 26...but we haven't > gotten a subpoena, yet...so I don't know if it's a scare tactic or not. We > are going on Friday to Virginia. My in-laws don't know, yet that we are > coming. We are taking a lap-top with us...but I would like to be able to go > the library once we get there...and get the books that have " hard proof " of > what we've been saying all along. Also, how do I get a hard copy of the > vaccination package inserts? Thanks. Also, pray for us...I know they can't > get her...but I'm still shaken up. > > Jo > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Remember four years of good friends, bad clothes, explosive chemistry > experiments. > 1/5532/7/_/489317/_/961399659/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2000 Report Share Posted June 19, 2000 Joann, If they are filing a custody suit and you got a letter from their lawyer then they have been doing quite a bit of legwork to get your daughter away from you and probably have Plan B an Plan C ready to go. If it were me, I wouldn't go near my in-laws, what will stop them from taking her from you then *for her own good*?? They are not rational people, you should be very careful. This is where you should consider lying for your daughters safety. Have your husband tell them he decided to go against your wishes and have them vaccinated - if that isn't realistic have him say bc of the lawyers letter you've had to give her certain vaxes. You can even get a vax record and fake the signatures. Don't give anymore *ammunition* to them. Don't think they are on your side, they crossed the line big time!!!! What you do is you business, tell them to mind their own!! Don't think they won't take her in the middle of the night either, you could be charged with child neglect or abuse and while that is going through the courts your daughter taken away and vaccinated. Be very cautious!!! -[paranoid] Dawn OMG > I am sure you guys remember how I asked for vaccination links to proove to my > in-laws that a shouldn't be vaxed. Now they say that ANYTHING can be > put on the internet...and they want hard proof, like books and magazine > articles. I forwarded the Money magazine article on to them. But, that's > not the OMG part. We got a letter from their attorney on Friday, stating > that they are filing a custody suit, because they feel we are endangering > a. The letter says that our court date is June 26...but we haven't > gotten a subpoena, yet...so I don't know if it's a scare tactic or not. We > are going on Friday to Virginia. My in-laws don't know, yet that we are > coming. We are taking a lap-top with us...but I would like to be able to go > the library once we get there...and get the books that have " hard proof " of > what we've been saying all along. Also, how do I get a hard copy of the > vaccination package inserts? Thanks. Also, pray for us...I know they can't > get her...but I'm still shaken up. > > Jo > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Remember four years of good friends, bad clothes, explosive chemistry > experiments. > 1/5532/7/_/489317/_/961399659/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2000 Report Share Posted June 19, 2000 We are in Florida....my in-laws don't know we're coming....we're staying at a townhouse belonging to a friend of mine. Some of my contacts think it may be a scare tactic...since we've gotten no subpoena...some say we should lie and fake the vax record...but I can't do...I am going to openly stand up for what I know is right. They aren't coming anywhere near my daughter. If need be, we'll hire a bodyguard, just for her. Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2000 Report Share Posted June 19, 2000 My in-laws are going to have to tread silently and carry a very big gun if they think they are getting her away from me while I am still living. I have told Dh that I am seriously re-thinking their visitation rights...and I am. They will not be allowed to see a unless Shelton or myself is present at all times. If one of us has to pee...she goes too. I know that sounds rash...but considering the circumstances...I don't think so. Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2000 Report Share Posted June 19, 2000 Yes, be very careful here - I forget - what state are you in? Don't go near Virginia would be my advice. People can kidnap children. Sheri At 11:47 AM 06/19/2000 -0400, you wrote: >Joann, > >If they are filing a custody suit and you got a letter from their lawyer >then they have been doing quite a bit of legwork to get your daughter away >from you and probably have Plan B an Plan C ready to go. If it were me, I >wouldn't go near my in-laws, what will stop them from taking her from you >then *for her own good*?? They are not rational people, you should be very >careful. This is where you should consider lying for your daughters safety. >Have your husband tell them he decided to go against your wishes and have >them vaccinated - if that isn't realistic have him say bc of the lawyers >letter you've had to give her certain vaxes. You can even get a vax record >and fake the signatures. Don't give anymore *ammunition* to them. Don't >think they are on your side, they crossed the line big time!!!! What you do >is you business, tell them to mind their own!! Don't think they won't take >her in the middle of the night either, you could be charged with child >neglect or abuse and while that is going through the courts your daughter >taken away and vaccinated. Be very cautious!!! > > >-[paranoid] Dawn > > OMG > > >> I am sure you guys remember how I asked for vaccination links to proove to >my >> in-laws that a shouldn't be vaxed. Now they say that ANYTHING can be >> put on the internet...and they want hard proof, like books and magazine >> articles. I forwarded the Money magazine article on to them. But, that's >> not the OMG part. We got a letter from their attorney on Friday, stating >> that they are filing a custody suit, because they feel we are endangering >> a. The letter says that our court date is June 26...but we haven't >> gotten a subpoena, yet...so I don't know if it's a scare tactic or not. >We >> are going on Friday to Virginia. My in-laws don't know, yet that we are >> coming. We are taking a lap-top with us...but I would like to be able to >go >> the library once we get there...and get the books that have " hard proof " >of >> what we've been saying all along. Also, how do I get a hard copy of the >> vaccination package inserts? Thanks. Also, pray for us...I know they >can't >> get her...but I'm still shaken up. >> >> Jo >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Remember four years of good friends, bad clothes, explosive chemistry >> experiments. >> 1/5532/7/_/489317/_/961399659/ >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Looking for Airfare deals? >Visit Expedia.com for limited time offers >1/5205/7/_/489317/_/961429714/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin Bookstore - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/bookstor.htm International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers Education, Homeopathic Education KVMR Broadcaster/Programmer/Investigative Reporter, Nevada City CA CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2000 Report Share Posted June 19, 2000 My in-laws hired a lawyer, who sent us a letter informing us that they were filing a custody suit, to take a away from us. The letter states that the case is to go before the judge on June 26th. We have yet to get a subpoena...so I don't know if this is just a scare tactic. On the chance that it's not a scare tactic, we had planned to go to Va this weekend, to combat this in court. On urging from other members of this list, and personal friends, we are seriously re-thinking that choice. We are gathering our information, anyway. I don't know what my in-laws are doing - trying to scare us into vaxing her (which won't happen) or really being stupid. A lawyer friend of ours planned to call their lawyer, today, to try and get the truth - but their lawyer was in a conference. This has been a nightmare...but I think I may have found a ray of sunshine. Shelton and I are not legally married. We got the marriage license and went through the ceremony with a notary...a friend of his...but we found out like 2 weeks after that that her commission had already expired. We haven't told our family this because we didn't see it as a big deal. That means that we aren't legally married and a is mine, all mine. I don't think they can lay a hand on her...whether they want to or not. I don't know though, still trying to check into that aspect. Thanks for all your help guys. Yes, a is only 2 months old...that's why a friend of ours suggested that it might be a scare tactic on their part...because it's only been like 2 weeks since we informed them that we weren't ever going to vaccinate her. I am praying that that's all it is...but even so, this little stunt has caused them lose their granddaughter. I can't trust them, it's as simple as that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2000 Report Share Posted June 19, 2000 Not at all rash to me!!! Does your husband support you? Gosh, I sure hope sp. Take care, Lorna >From: JustMOMThanks@... >Reply-Vaccinationsegroups >Vaccinationsegroups >Subject: Re: OMG >Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 16:03:50 EDT >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from [207.138.41.176] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBB17C4EE0058D821979BCF8A29B06B94160; Mon Jun 19 13:05:27 2000 >Received: from [10.1.10.38] by ci. with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2000 >20:04:25 -0000 >Received: (qmail 8916 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2000 20:04:19 -0000 >Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m4.onelist.org with QMQP; 19 Jun >2000 20:04:19 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO imo12.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.2) by mta1 with >SMTP; 19 Jun 2000 20:04:19 -0000 >Received: from JustMOMThanks@... by imo12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) >id a.f5.1265a2 (4533) for <Vaccinationsegroups>; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 >16:03:51 -0400 (EDT) >From sentto-15657-9901-961445059-fiddler02 Mon Jun 19 13:05:32 2000 >X-eGroups-Return: >sentto-15657-9901-961445059-fiddler02=hotmail.comreturns (DOT) onelist.com >Message-ID: <f5.1265a2.267fd6a6@...> >X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 101 >Mailing-List: list Vaccinationsegroups; contact >Vaccinations-owneregroups >Delivered-mailing list Vaccinationsegroups >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:Vaccinations-unsubscribeegroups> > >My in-laws are going to have to tread silently and carry a very big gun if >they think they are getting her away from me while I am still living. I >have >told Dh that I am seriously re-thinking their visitation rights...and I am. >They will not be allowed to see a unless Shelton or myself is present >at >all times. If one of us has to pee...she goes too. I know that sounds >rash...but considering the circumstances...I don't think so. > >Jo ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2000 Report Share Posted June 19, 2000 At 04:03 PM 06/19/2000 EDT, you wrote: >My in-laws are going to have to tread silently and carry a very big gun if >they think they are getting her away from me while I am still living. I have >told Dh that I am seriously re-thinking their visitation rights...and I am. >They will not be allowed to see a unless Shelton or myself is present at >all times. If one of us has to pee...she goes too. I know that sounds >rash...but considering the circumstances...I don't think so. > >Jo Boy, I wouldn't risk any of this at all! Stay home and let them come to you. Sheri -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin Bookstore - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/bookstor.htm International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers Education, Homeopathic Education KVMR Broadcaster/Programmer/Investigative Reporter, Nevada City CA CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2000 Report Share Posted June 19, 2000 He's ashamed and embarassed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2000 Report Share Posted June 19, 2000 He is her father...I thought not being married made a difference...I guess it doesn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2000 Report Share Posted June 19, 2000 we know we're not married...the license was never filed with the state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2000 Report Share Posted June 19, 2000 Yes, you've got it sister! I've been down this road! DO NOT GIVE THEM ANY AMMUNITATION! DO NOT TELL THEM ANYTHING!! This stuff can be used in court. ANY little thing you say can be used against you. I'm telling you I've been there, been to court, lost and am legally court ordered to allow my daughter to be vaccinated. I think it's a very good idea to do what Joann said, have you husband look like he's the bad guy in your eyes and a hero in theirs. Nittany Lion wrote: > Joann, > > If they are filing a custody suit and you got a letter from their lawyer > then they have been doing quite a bit of legwork to get your daughter away > from you and probably have Plan B an Plan C ready to go. If it were me, I > wouldn't go near my in-laws, what will stop them from taking her from you > then *for her own good*?? They are not rational people, you should be very > careful. This is where you should consider lying for your daughters safety. > Have your husband tell them he decided to go against your wishes and have > them vaccinated - if that isn't realistic have him say bc of the lawyers > letter you've had to give her certain vaxes. You can even get a vax record > and fake the signatures. Don't give anymore *ammunition* to them. Don't > think they are on your side, they crossed the line big time!!!! What you do > is you business, tell them to mind their own!! Don't think they won't take > her in the middle of the night either, you could be charged with child > neglect or abuse and while that is going through the courts your daughter > taken away and vaccinated. Be very cautious!!! > > -[paranoid] Dawn > > OMG > > > I am sure you guys remember how I asked for vaccination links to proove to > my > > in-laws that a shouldn't be vaxed. Now they say that ANYTHING can be > > put on the internet...and they want hard proof, like books and magazine > > articles. I forwarded the Money magazine article on to them. But, that's > > not the OMG part. We got a letter from their attorney on Friday, stating > > that they are filing a custody suit, because they feel we are endangering > > a. The letter says that our court date is June 26...but we haven't > > gotten a subpoena, yet...so I don't know if it's a scare tactic or not. > We > > are going on Friday to Virginia. My in-laws don't know, yet that we are > > coming. We are taking a lap-top with us...but I would like to be able to > go > > the library once we get there...and get the books that have " hard proof " > of > > what we've been saying all along. Also, how do I get a hard copy of the > > vaccination package inserts? Thanks. Also, pray for us...I know they > can't > > get her...but I'm still shaken up. > > > > Jo > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Remember four years of good friends, bad clothes, explosive chemistry > > experiments. > > 1/5532/7/_/489317/_/961399659/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Looking for Airfare deals? > Visit Expedia.com for limited time offers > 1/5205/7/_/489317/_/961429714/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2000 Report Share Posted June 19, 2000 Don't be a martyr with your daughter. I would just cut all ties with them unless you like the drama. JustMOMThanks@... wrote: > We are in Florida....my in-laws don't know we're coming....we're staying at a > townhouse belonging to a friend of mine. Some of my contacts think it may be > a scare tactic...since we've gotten no subpoena...some say we should lie and > fake the vax record...but I can't do...I am going to openly stand up for what > I know is right. They aren't coming anywhere near my daughter. If need be, > we'll hire a bodyguard, just for her. > > Jo > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Free Conference Calling with Firetalk! > Click Here! > 1/5480/7/_/489317/_/961445056/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2000 Report Share Posted June 19, 2000 , Has your daughter been vaccinated? Who came after you to force vaccinations on her? -Dawn OMG > > > > > I am sure you guys remember how I asked for vaccination links to proove to > > my > > > in-laws that a shouldn't be vaxed. Now they say that ANYTHING can be > > > put on the internet...and they want hard proof, like books and magazine > > > articles. I forwarded the Money magazine article on to them. But, that's > > > not the OMG part. We got a letter from their attorney on Friday, stating > > > that they are filing a custody suit, because they feel we are endangering > > > a. The letter says that our court date is June 26...but we haven't > > > gotten a subpoena, yet...so I don't know if it's a scare tactic or not. > > We > > > are going on Friday to Virginia. My in-laws don't know, yet that we are > > > coming. We are taking a lap-top with us...but I would like to be able to > > go > > > the library once we get there...and get the books that have " hard proof " > > of > > > what we've been saying all along. Also, how do I get a hard copy of the > > > vaccination package inserts? Thanks. Also, pray for us...I know they > > can't > > > get her...but I'm still shaken up. > > > > > > Jo > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Remember four years of good friends, bad clothes, explosive chemistry > > > experiments. > > > 1/5532/7/_/489317/_/961399659/ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Looking for Airfare deals? > > Visit Expedia.com for limited time offers > > 1/5205/7/_/489317/_/961429714/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Free Worldwide Calling with Firetalk! > Click Here: > 1/5481/7/_/489317/_/961452058/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2000 Report Share Posted June 19, 2000 Jo, Rash?? You are being VERY generous!! -Dawn Re: OMG > My in-laws are going to have to tread silently and carry a very big gun if > they think they are getting her away from me while I am still living. I have > told Dh that I am seriously re-thinking their visitation rights...and I am. > They will not be allowed to see a unless Shelton or myself is present at > all times. If one of us has to pee...she goes too. I know that sounds > rash...but considering the circumstances...I don't think so. > > Jo > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Best friends, most artistic, class clown Find 'em here: > 1/5533/7/_/489317/_/961445059/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2000 Report Share Posted June 19, 2000 Joanna is the person who came on the board a few weeks ago and said " Crunch Time " on Friday for first doctors office appointment at 2 months on Monday. Many of us provided information. So this baby is only 2 months old. We are puzzled by all of this. ??? Joanna, what is going on? Sheri At 06:31 PM 06/19/2000 -0400, you wrote: >, > >Has your daughter been vaccinated? Who came after you to force vaccinations >on her? > >-Dawn > OMG >> > >> > > I am sure you guys remember how I asked for vaccination links to >proove to >> > my >> > > in-laws that a shouldn't be vaxed. Now they say that ANYTHING >can be >> > > put on the internet...and they want hard proof, like books and >magazine >> > > articles. I forwarded the Money magazine article on to them. But, >that's >> > > not the OMG part. We got a letter from their attorney on Friday, >stating >> > > that they are filing a custody suit, because they feel we are >endangering >> > > a. The letter says that our court date is June 26...but we >haven't >> > > gotten a subpoena, yet...so I don't know if it's a scare tactic or >not. >> > We >> > > are going on Friday to Virginia. My in-laws don't know, yet that we >are >> > > coming. We are taking a lap-top with us...but I would like to be able >to >> > go >> > > the library once we get there...and get the books that have " hard >proof " >> > of >> > > what we've been saying all along. Also, how do I get a hard copy of >the >> > > vaccination package inserts? Thanks. Also, pray for us...I know they >> > can't >> > > get her...but I'm still shaken up. >> > > >> > > Jo >> > > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > > Remember four years of good friends, bad clothes, explosive chemistry >> > > experiments. >> > > 1/5532/7/_/489317/_/961399659/ >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > Looking for Airfare deals? >> > Visit Expedia.com for limited time offers >> > 1/5205/7/_/489317/_/961429714/ >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Free Worldwide Calling with Firetalk! >> Click Here: >> 1/5481/7/_/489317/_/961452058/ >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Old school buds here: >1/5536/7/_/489317/_/961453947/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin Bookstore - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/bookstor.htm International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers Education, Homeopathic Education KVMR Broadcaster/Programmer/Investigative Reporter, Nevada City CA CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2000 Report Share Posted June 19, 2000 Is he the father of the a? Because if not then she really is all yours. What does your husband think of the way his parents are acting? JustMOMThanks@... wrote: > > My in-laws hired a lawyer, who sent us a letter informing us that they were > filing a custody suit, to take a away from us. The letter states that > the case is to go before the judge on June 26th. We have yet to get a > subpoena...so I don't know if this is just a scare tactic. On the chance > that it's not a scare tactic, we had planned to go to Va this weekend, to > combat this in court. On urging from other members of this list, and > personal friends, we are seriously re-thinking that choice. > > We are gathering our information, anyway. I don't know what my in-laws are > doing - trying to scare us into vaxing her (which won't happen) or really > being stupid. A lawyer friend of ours planned to call their lawyer, today, > to try and get the truth - but their lawyer was in a conference. > > This has been a nightmare...but I think I may have found a ray of sunshine. > Shelton and I are not legally married. We got the marriage license and went > through the ceremony with a notary...a friend of his...but we found out like > 2 weeks after that that her commission had already expired. We haven't told > our family this because we didn't see it as a big deal. That means that we > aren't legally married and a is mine, all mine. I don't think they can > lay a hand on her...whether they want to or not. I don't know though, still > trying to check into that aspect. > > Thanks for all your help guys. Yes, a is only 2 months old...that's why > a friend of ours suggested that it might be a scare tactic on their > part...because it's only been like 2 weeks since we informed them that we > weren't ever going to vaccinate her. I am praying that that's all it > is...but even so, this little stunt has caused them lose their granddaughter. > I can't trust them, it's as simple as that. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Never lose a file again. Protect yourself from accidental deletes, > overwrites, and viruses with @Backup. > Try @Backup it's easy, it's safe, and it's FREE! > Click here to receive 300 MyPoints just for trying @Backup. > 1/5669/7/_/489317/_/961459104/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- @... *************************************************************** Any information obtained here is not to be construed as medical OR legal advice. The decision to vaccinate and how you implement that decision is yours and yours alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2000 Report Share Posted June 19, 2000 See a lawyer now! There must be other issues here. Sheri At 07:58 PM 06/19/2000 EDT, you wrote: >My in-laws hired a lawyer, who sent us a letter informing us that they were >filing a custody suit, to take a away from us. The letter states that >the case is to go before the judge on June 26th. We have yet to get a >subpoena...so I don't know if this is just a scare tactic. On the chance >that it's not a scare tactic, we had planned to go to Va this weekend, to >combat this in court. On urging from other members of this list, and >personal friends, we are seriously re-thinking that choice. > >We are gathering our information, anyway. I don't know what my in-laws are >doing - trying to scare us into vaxing her (which won't happen) or really >being stupid. A lawyer friend of ours planned to call their lawyer, today, >to try and get the truth - but their lawyer was in a conference. > >This has been a nightmare...but I think I may have found a ray of sunshine. >Shelton and I are not legally married. We got the marriage license and went >through the ceremony with a notary...a friend of his...but we found out like >2 weeks after that that her commission had already expired. We haven't told >our family this because we didn't see it as a big deal. That means that we >aren't legally married and a is mine, all mine. I don't think they can >lay a hand on her...whether they want to or not. I don't know though, still >trying to check into that aspect. > >Thanks for all your help guys. Yes, a is only 2 months old...that's why >a friend of ours suggested that it might be a scare tactic on their >part...because it's only been like 2 weeks since we informed them that we >weren't ever going to vaccinate her. I am praying that that's all it >is...but even so, this little stunt has caused them lose their granddaughter. > I can't trust them, it's as simple as that. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Never lose a file again. Protect yourself from accidental deletes, >overwrites, and viruses with @Backup. >Try @Backup it's easy, it's safe, and it's FREE! >Click here to receive 300 MyPoints just for trying @Backup. >1/5669/7/_/489317/_/961459104/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin Bookstore - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/bookstor.htm International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers Education, Homeopathic Education KVMR Broadcaster/Programmer/Investigative Reporter, Nevada City CA CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2000 Report Share Posted June 19, 2000 i would get the fact that you are not married in writing, signed by the former notary in front of a notary and have it notarized. rhoda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2000 Report Share Posted June 19, 2000 Oh it's a long story but I'll give a condensed version. I got pregnant and choose to give my baby up for adoption. 2 days before i was due, the birth father came out of the blue and stopped the adoption. He wanted full custody since I was making the choice I was making, if that even makes sense. I choose to keep her, (thank God). I was 2 days postpartum and I was in court again. The judge gave us joint custody and he got liberal visitation. It's a patriarchal court system. 6 months later we're back in court over the vaccination issue. I was told by my Jewish attorney to claim a religious exemption and to keep the scientific proof out of it. Strictly religious because of my amendments. Ya, right. The judge recognized " I has a sincere religious belief but it's in the child's best interest to vaccinate her. " That's a quote. I ran out of money so i filed an appeal. The appellate court accept my claim but I had to let it go. It was too much for me. I was out of my league. I prayed and prayed about it. My daughter is not up to date on her vaccinations thank God. I think part of it is her dad is tired of trying to find a ped that I don't scare off and he's going to a natropath and chiro now. I think they are educating him AND I think God IS playing a part here. There.. in a nut shell. Yes, AZ has exemptions but the court doesn't care if one parent wants the child to be vaccinated. Nittany Lion wrote: > , > > Has your daughter been vaccinated? Who came after you to force vaccinations > on her? > > -Dawn > OMG > > > > > > > I am sure you guys remember how I asked for vaccination links to > proove to > > > my > > > > in-laws that a shouldn't be vaxed. Now they say that ANYTHING > can be > > > > put on the internet...and they want hard proof, like books and > magazine > > > > articles. I forwarded the Money magazine article on to them. But, > that's > > > > not the OMG part. We got a letter from their attorney on Friday, > stating > > > > that they are filing a custody suit, because they feel we are > endangering > > > > a. The letter says that our court date is June 26...but we > haven't > > > > gotten a subpoena, yet...so I don't know if it's a scare tactic or > not. > > > We > > > > are going on Friday to Virginia. My in-laws don't know, yet that we > are > > > > coming. We are taking a lap-top with us...but I would like to be able > to > > > go > > > > the library once we get there...and get the books that have " hard > proof " > > > of > > > > what we've been saying all along. Also, how do I get a hard copy of > the > > > > vaccination package inserts? Thanks. Also, pray for us...I know they > > > can't > > > > get her...but I'm still shaken up. > > > > > > > > Jo > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Remember four years of good friends, bad clothes, explosive chemistry > > > > experiments. > > > > 1/5532/7/_/489317/_/961399659/ > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Looking for Airfare deals? > > > Visit Expedia.com for limited time offers > > > 1/5205/7/_/489317/_/961429714/ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Free Worldwide Calling with Firetalk! > > Click Here: > > 1/5481/7/_/489317/_/961452058/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Old school buds here: > 1/5536/7/_/489317/_/961453947/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2000 Report Share Posted June 20, 2000 I don't know why you feel that you need to go see them - I'd be keeping as far away from them as possible!! Staying away from them is NOT backing down - just good sense. When pioneers knew that trouble was afoot they circled the wagons to keep the others out; they didn't go plunging into it full speed. If you go charging over to your in(out?)-laws unannounced what makes you think that they won't add "stalking" or "threatening" to the list of your so-called parental faults. My advise is to stay home and call a lawyer, Jo!! My 2 cents ~ JustMOMThanks@... wrote: We are in Florida....my in-laws don't know we're coming....we're staying at a townhouse belonging to a friend of mine. Some of my contacts think it may be a scare tactic...since we've gotten no subpoena...some say we should lie and fake the vax record...but I can't do...I am going to openly stand up for what I know is right. They aren't coming anywhere near my daughter. If need be, we'll hire a bodyguard, just for her. Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2009 Report Share Posted November 21, 2009 I was activated two days, Thursday. From the first moment I was turned on I could hear clearly without distortion. I heard music all day long, every instrument was clear, although Louis Armstrong sounded a lot like Mama Cass and ny Cash sounded like June . I tested Friday. Before the CI I tested at 4% at 100 db and 24% at 105 db. Yesterday I tested at 100% at 25db. I literally can't believe my ears. This result is way beyond my wildest imagination. I want to thank you all for the encouragement I received in making my decision. it was only because of the information/feedback I've received from you over the past couple of months that I was able to hear my daughter yesterday and help her with her homework. Just a dream before. I'm so excited to explore all the environments I live in. thank you all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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