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Jo,

Wow, I am so sorry for your predicament (sp?). I thought I had difficult

inlaws! I have just begun looking for all this stuff myself since my 2 yr

old was diagnosed with diabetes.

So I say good luck and fight for what you know is right. I'd be so tempted

to pull my kids out of their lives as fast as possible. You know they will

never care for them the way you would want them to. That is scary.

Take care,

Lorna

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>I am sure you guys remember how I asked for vaccination links to proove to

>my

>in-laws that a shouldn't be vaxed. Now they say that ANYTHING can be

>put on the internet...and they want hard proof, like books and magazine

>articles. I forwarded the Money magazine article on to them. But, that's

>not the OMG part. We got a letter from their attorney on Friday, stating

>that they are filing a custody suit, because they feel we are endangering

>a. The letter says that our court date is June 26...but we haven't

>gotten a subpoena, yet...so I don't know if it's a scare tactic or not. We

>are going on Friday to Virginia. My in-laws don't know, yet that we are

>coming. We are taking a lap-top with us...but I would like to be able to

>go

>the library once we get there...and get the books that have " hard proof " of

>what we've been saying all along. Also, how do I get a hard copy of the

>vaccination package inserts? Thanks. Also, pray for us...I know they

>can't

>get her...but I'm still shaken up.

>

>Jo

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Unfortunately, I don't have the

links you need, but I would suggest getting your own lawyer first!!

If they want to play hardball then you've got to cover your own a**.

I wouldn't go to them and give them any proof either way - its none of

their damned business whether your child is vax'd or not!!! Tell

them you'll see them in court.

Just my 2 cents,

~

Aydn's Mama

p.s....as far as them wanting

"hard proof" like books and magazine articles - *anything* can be printed

up too! The only hard proof I'd give 'em (if it was my situation)

is a hard kick in the pants! >:^(

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JustMOMThanks@... wrote:

I am sure you guys remember how I asked for vaccination

links to proove to my

in-laws that a shouldn't be vaxed. Now they say that

ANYTHING can be

put on the internet...and they want hard proof, like books and

magazine

articles. I forwarded the Money magazine article on to them.

But, that's

not the OMG part. We got a letter from their attorney on

Friday, stating

that they are filing a custody suit, because they feel we are endangering

a. The letter says that our court date is June 26...but

we haven't

gotten a subpoena, yet...so I don't know if it's a scare tactic

or not. We

are going on Friday to Virginia. My in-laws don't know, yet

that we are

coming. We are taking a lap-top with us...but I would like

to be able to go

the library once we get there...and get the books that have "hard

proof" of

what we've been saying all along. Also, how do I get a hard

copy of the

vaccination package inserts? Thanks. Also, pray for

us...I know they can't

get her...but I'm still shaken up.

Jo

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Jo,

Don't think they can't take her. I would definately get an attorney. I

don't think they are reasonable. Is one of them an MD? That is the only

way I could see them being so pushy. I recently had an immunization

nurse tell me she selectively vaccinated after her child had a reaction

to DPT and a PH.D in immunology/molecular biology tell me she vaccinated

her child for only one disease. Be careful about Virginia they play

hardball there.

DO NOT be niave and think they won't take her. Walene runs the

Vaccination Liberation. She is located in Virginia Beach, VA her number

is 757-486-3129. She wrote Immunization the Reality Behind the Myth.

She has many documentations. Her daughter fought a battle with the

state of VA who tried to take custody of her son in the 1980s.

I would strongly encourage you getting an attorney. Contact Walene for

suggestions on Va law if this is where they live. AND don't be niave...I

am not kidding. This is your daughter and it is obvious that they have

their own agenda. It sounds like no evidence will convince them. Maybe

Walene would be willing to show some of her proof...but their stupidity

might not be able to be changed.

JustMOMThanks@... wrote:

>

> I am sure you guys remember how I asked for vaccination links to proove to my

> in-laws that a shouldn't be vaxed. Now they say that ANYTHING can be

> put on the internet...and they want hard proof, like books and magazine

> articles. I forwarded the Money magazine article on to them. But, that's

> not the OMG part. We got a letter from their attorney on Friday, stating

> that they are filing a custody suit, because they feel we are endangering

> a. The letter says that our court date is June 26...but we haven't

> gotten a subpoena, yet...so I don't know if it's a scare tactic or not. We

> are going on Friday to Virginia. My in-laws don't know, yet that we are

> coming. We are taking a lap-top with us...but I would like to be able to go

> the library once we get there...and get the books that have " hard proof " of

> what we've been saying all along. Also, how do I get a hard copy of the

> vaccination package inserts? Thanks. Also, pray for us...I know they can't

> get her...but I'm still shaken up.

>

> Jo

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I'm sending a generic letter I wrote to my daughter's doctor. I'm court ordered

to ALLOW her to be vaccinated. I don't have time right now to share my plight

but

this worked. My daughter's doctor is now my daughter's X doctor. She kicked us

to

the curb which is a good thing :) I hate pediatrician's any ways. I'm sending a

copy as an attachment as well because the documentation/references list gets

weird. I agree with whoever it was that said I'd not send them anything, it's

none of their business. In fact, I might lie and say you changed your mind just

to get them off your back. I've gone down the court road and it's a tough road

to take. I'd rather be a martyer somewhere else. Ya, I know we should fight for

the cause.. rah rah.. I'm still a little jaded though. You can't fight

stupidity.

NOT when it comes to the well being of our babies.

Good luck.

October 16, 1997

M. Larsen

(Winter V. Coynes’ mother)

3825 W. Dalphin

Phoenix, Arizona 85051

(623) 548-1239

RE: Vaccinations: Risk vs. Benefit. Legal Implications

Dear Dr. Barbara Ledinicky MD,

5040 N. 15th Ave

Phoenix, Arizona 85015

(602) 263-9550

Fax: (602) 263-8212

This letter is written for the purpose of stating my position on vaccinations.

My daughter, Winter Coyne is being seen in your office on Friday October 22,

1999

for thrush and possibly vaccinations, which concerns me.

My position is clear: Vaccinations carry significant risks, and are not

necessary. I will not patronize you with the more trivial details. You are a

physician and I presume you know both sides of the vaccine paradigm, at least I

hope so. My conclusion is based on years of objective investigation and

research. I have found there is good reason to be concerned. It’s been brought

to my attention that I am not the only one concerned with vaccine safety. The

Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) has advised the U.S.

Congress and the Department of Health and Human Services to reverse its policy

of

recommending mandatory vaccines until better studies can be done on their

safety.

As you may know, her father and I have joint custody of Winter. I have limited

custody by law, which includes Winter 's health, specifically during critical

medical conditions. Thus, if Winter’s father decides to implement the vaccines,

I am requesting a written and signed statement from you indicating that Winter

is

healthy and disease free, based on a physical examination. I am also requesting

the specific vaccine lot numbers to be forwarded to me. This is in the event of

any unexpected critical medical condition that may develop in the form of an

adverse vaccine reaction.

I am aware that VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System) documented cases

of over 54,000 adverse reactions from vaccines in a 20-month period. The

National

Vaccine Injury Fund, created in 1986 to compensate those damaged by vaccines has

paid out over one billion dollars in compensation to date. I’m also aware that

according to former FDA Commissioner Dr. Kessler, less than 10% of

doctor’s

report vaccine-adverse reactions. I’m very curious as to what the real numbers

of vaccine damage. So the handouts in your office are grossly inaccurate. I’m

aware of the shoddy pre and post testing tactics as well.

This position may make you uncomfortable. It should, if by chance you have

overlooked the potential and harmful side effects of routine inoculations. I

will tell you straight. I will initiate a lawsuit if Winter is injured or

develops a vaccine reaction. Of course, the waiver that Mike may sign, will

impede litigation, but my signature will not be on the waiver. I find it quite

curious that no insurance company is willing to insure vaccines.

I am writing this to you because I do care about the health and welfare of

Winter. I am ready to pursue all reasonable and legal avenues if necessary in

order to preserve Winter's health.

Please chart in bold red letters than Winter will not need the chicken pox

vaccine since she had a case of them when she was about 13 months old and now

has

life long natural immunity.

Please also note, Winter has an older sibling that experienced an adverse

vaccine

reaction after receiving her DPT, a seizure. Albeit, they have different

fathers, but she reacted adversely just the same.

Winter’s siblings, cousins, and niece are not fully vaccinated so please be

advised that if her father implements the recommended vaccine schedule, the

vaccines should all be killed viruses since the risk of vaccine associated

transmission is great, mainly the OPV.

POLIO:

I understand that there have been no cases of wild polio in the US in the last

20

years and that those cases which have been documented have been caused by the

vaccine in both immunized and non-immunized people. The CDC sheet that doctors

are required by law to give to parents still states that so-called contact polio

is a risk only for people who never have been vaccinated against the disease.

The CDC knows better. Minutes from a June1995 meeting of the CDC’s advisory

committee on immunizations show the organization realized that people who were

vaccinated are susceptible to contract polio.

I understand the following side effects for the vaccine are possible: Killed

virus polio: temperature of 102° in up to 38%, sleepiness, fussiness, crying,

decreased appetite, vomiting, Guillain-Barré Syndrome and allergic reaction in

those allergic to neomycin, polymyxin B and streptomycin. Live virus polio:

Reactions include contraction of polio by those who have received the virus and

by those who have come into contact with body fluids and wastes of the immunized

person. Paralytic symptoms may follow contraction of polio. Live virus is

reportedly shed for up to 8 weeks after the inoculation. Guillain-Barré Syndrome

has also been noted. Killed virus Ipol is grown on monkey kidney cells,

contains formaldehyde, and triple antibiotics. The monkey kidney cells used

in

the original killed polio vaccine contains SV-40 and has been found in tumor

cells of children whose parent's were vaccinated against polio using the

contaminated virus.

HIB:

I am also concerned with the HiB vaccine. This vaccine will not protect children

from meningitis from all other forms such as pneumococcus, and meningococcus,

viruses, and fungi, pneumonia, and infections of the blood, joints, bone, and

soft tissue associated with Hemophilus Influenzae B. I understand that this

disease is most likely in children up to 15 months of age and is fatal in 3-6%

of

children who contract it. Winter is almost 3 years old now. Incidence of this

disease today is low and the vaccine has not proven to be highly effective in

41%

of cases, according to some studies. Treatment is available. The vaccine is

often combined with the DPT which has the highest reaction rate of any vaccine

available today. Reactions include: contracting HIB, localized pain, erythremia

and induration, fever >100.6°, irritability, lethargy, anorexia, rhinorrhea,

diarrhea, vomiting, cough, when administered alone and diabetes . Reactions

occurred in up to 30% of patients. When administered in conjunction with the

DPT,

reactions include local tenderness erythema and induration, fever >100.8°,

irritability, drowsiness, anorexia, diarrhea, vomiting, persistent crying,

seizures, urticaria, hives, renal failure, Guillain-Barré Syndrome and death.

Reactions occurred in up to 77.9% of patients. The vaccine contains yeast,

thimerosal (mercury derivative), and diphtheria toxoid when given alone.

Remember, Winter is being seen for a yeast problem and if this will exasperate

the problem, it should be charted. Also remember, these yeasts and a host of

other ingredients will be bypassing her natural port of entries each with their

own immune defense, and will be going directly into her bloodstream. Something

to

really think about and how assaulting that is to her little immune system that’s

not fully mature yet.

DPT/DPaT:

The DPT/DPaT vaccine has the highest rate of reactions next to the Hep B

vaccine.

My studies have uncovered, and well I have also personally witnessed some of the

adverse vaccine reactions such as fevers >106, diarrhea, projectile vomiting,

excessive sleepiness, high--pitched screaming, inconsolable crying bouts,

seizures, convulsions, collapse, shock, breathing problems, brain damage and

SIDS. One in 600 suffer a severe reaction in one study and 1 in 875 suffered

shock-collapse and convulsions. Those in the 2nd study were only tracked for

the

first 48 hours following immunization. A more recent study indicates that 1 in

100 react with convulsions, collapse, or high-pitched screaming and 1 in 3 of

those cases sustained permanent brain damage. ) In a study of 103 children who

died of SIDS, 70% died within 3 weeks of the DPT vaccine and 37% of those died

within the first week. The DaPT is recommended as a safer option for

vaccination since there’s fewer MILDER side effects but the more dangeorus side

effects stayed the same . Side effects of the DaPT were only tracked for 72

hours

and included: tenderness, erythema, induration, fever >102.2°, drowsiness,

fretfulness, vomiting, upper respiratory infection, diarrhea, rash, febrile

seizures, persistent or unusual crying, lethargy, hypronic-hyporesponsive

episode, urticaria, anaphylactic shock, convulsions, encephalopathy, mono- and

polyneuropathies and still death. Either form of the vaccine contains

thimerosal

(mercury derivative), formaldehyde, and aluminum phosphate. Reactions to

adsorbed diphtheria-pertussis-tetanus (DPT) vaccine have mostly been attributed

to the pertussis organisms or pertussis components in the vaccine. Nevertheless

reactions may also be due to other factors such as sensitization induced by

aluminum adjuvants and impurities present in crude toxoids that cannot be

removed

by purification of toxoids after formalinization.

MMR:

I want to make a note of the documented issues surrounding combination vaccines,

i.e. MMR and the DPT’s link with autism, in fact The Australian Vaccination

Network is calling on the government to immediately halt all use of MMR vaccine

until the proper studies are done to prove that there is no link between the

vaccine and these conditions. Dr. Vijendra Singh with the University of

Michigan, has published a report of a study in which he found that 60% of

autistic children tested had antibodies to brain tissue, in the form of

antibodies to myelin basic protein. He also found a strong correlation between

myelin basic protein antibodies and antibodies to measles, mumps, and rubella

(almost all of the children had been immunized with MMR, and none had had these

diseases. It’s quite elementary really, most autistic children have a high

level of measles titers in their blood and haven’t even had the disease. This

study confirms the results of a similar study published in The Lancet in 1998 by

Dr. Wakefield of the Royal Free hospital in London, showing a link

between

MMR vaccination and Crohn's disease of the bowel and autism. If your truly

interested in autoimmune diseases and autism in children, then as a healthcare

professional, then you might consider contacting Dr. Schneider at

602-340-8717 at the Southwest Autism Research Center. Her children became

autistic after their MMR and she had to leave her OB practice because she got

sick after her Hep B vaccine.

I understand the death rate for wild type measles is .03 in 100,000. I also

understand that since 1984, over 55% of documented, confirmed cases of measles

have been in fully immunized persons. The measles vaccine is a live vaccine,

and

carries the risk that it will cause the patient to contract measles. Other

adverse reactions include: anaphylaxis, fever up to one month following

injection, cough, rhinitis, erythema multiforme, lymphadenopathy, urticaria,

diarrhea, febrile convulsions, seizures, thrombocytopenia, purpura, vasculitis,

optic neuritis, retrobulbar neuritis, papillitis, retinitis, encephalitis and

encephalopathy, ocular palsies, Guillain-Barré Syndrome, ataxia, and subacute

sclerosing panencephalitis and a recent study from Europe indicates that there

may be a link between the MMR (measles/mumps/rubella) vaccine and autism and

irritable bowel syndrome. My next issue with the rubella part of this combo

vaccine is it’s made on aborted fetal cells, namely RA 27/3 and

WI-38.. There’s also studies concerned with all the different

vaccines given at one time. Again, if Mike chooses to implement the vaccines I

hope he will at least spread them out.

Hep B:

You and I both know how this virus is transmitted and my daughter is not engaged

in promiscuous sex or drug use. Accordingly to the CDC there’s an ever so

slight

risk of transmission from a toothbrush but you and I both know there has to be a

LOT of blood AND an exchange of blood for this to happen. I’m not a carrier or

am I infected and neither is anyone else Winter is around. I also understand

there is a fairly new “antibiotic” for Hep B and that most of those who contract

it recover. As reported by Tucson-based executive director of the Association

of

American Physicians and Surgeon’s Executive Director Jane M. Orient, MD,,

serious

adverse effects after receiving the vaccine -- including 48 deaths -- are

reported three times as frequently as cases of hepatitis B in children under the

age of 14. I have a good friend whose baby died within 12 hours of the

hepatitis B vaccine and as a result attended the victim’s panel in the May 18th

congressional hearing into the hepatitis B vaccine. A reputable man and a

former Salomon Brother's proprietary trading strategist and a current advisor to

many of the largest financial institutions in the world, who has the requisite

statistical background to interpret scientific data. Official CDC and FDA

statistics show that in the 0-1 age group, babies are 20 times more likely to

report a hepatitis B vaccine adverse reaction than to report a case of the

hepatitis B disease. One third of the 25,000 hepatitis B vaccine adverse

reaction

reports are serious (death, hospitalization, disablement). The Rotavirus vaccine

was just withdrawn from the market after about 100 adverse reaction reports. The

hepatitis B vaccine has generated 250 times more adverse reactions (!) -- and

yet

the FDA, CDC and American Academy of Pediatrics still recommend this vaccine for

newborns. Not suprisingly, Hepatitis B vaccine manufacturers are facing

criminal

lawsuits in France.

B. Classen, M.D. an immunologist at Classen Immunotherapies published

papers

linking the immunization against hepatitis B and other diseases to the

development of insulin dependent diabetes, an autoimmune disease. Dr. Classen's

work found that immunization starting after 2 months of life was associated with

an increased risk of autoimmunity compared to starting at birth Data from a

small

study published by the US government appears to support his data and showed that

when hepatitis B immunization was given starting after 2 months of life it was

associated with an almost doubling of the risk of diabetes. This vaccine also

contains: aluminum hydroxide, yeast protein, and phosphate buffers. Again,

yeast

is an issue here.

Vaccine Ingredients:

Thimerosal was banned by the FDA in the use of over the counter preparations on

October 22, 1998. Then on July 8, 1999, the FDA announced thimerosal should be

removed from vaccinations since there is a concern of toxic levels of thimerosal

(mercury) accumulation levels in those who ingest it through vaccination.

The US has known about the potential problems of thimerosal for many years. The

World Health Organization voiced concerns as early as 1990. Mercury is a highly

toxic element which does not leave the body. Once ingested, injected, or

inhaled, it is there to stay and accumulates. Because infants receive so many

doses of vaccines which contain thimerosal, it is possible that the amount of

mercury that accumulates is enough to cause problems including brain damage.

Thimerosal is listed as a recognized developmental toxicant as well as a

suspected skin or sense organ toxicant by the Environmental Defense Fund.

Most infants have been receiving up to 15 doses of mercury-containing vaccines

by

the time they are 6 months old. It is almost inconceivable that these heavy

burdens of foreign immunologic materials, introduced into the immature systems

of

children, could fail to bring about disruptions and adverse reactions in these

in

these systems. Public Health Service (PHS), the American Academy of Pediatrics

(AAP), and vaccine manufacturers agree that thimerosal-containing vaccines

should

be removed as soon as possible. Similar conclusions were reached this year in a

meeting attended by European regulatory agencies, European vaccine

manufacturers,

and th FDA, which examined the use of thimerosal-containing vaccines produced or

sold in European countries.

A small but growing minority of physicians and scientists are becoming aware

that

safety testings for the various vaccines have been woefully inadequate. As one

of

many examples, in 1994 a special committee of the National Academy of Sciences

published a comprehensive review of the vaccine safety of the hepatitis B

vaccine. When the committee investigated 5 possible and plausible adverse

effects, they were unable to come to any conclusion for 4 of them because, to

their dismay, they found that relevant safety research had not been done.

The clear implication of this and other revelations concerning a general

deficiency of safety testing in the vaccine field is that adverse reactions may

be taking place on a large scale without being recognized as to their true

nature. According to Dr. Orient, financial ties between vaccine manufacturers

and

medical groups such as the American Medical Association and American Academy of

Pediatrics (AAP) which endorse the vaccine, " pointing to a substantial donation

to AAP from Merck & Co. " And the federal government pays the state a bonus up

to

$100 for every 'fully' vaccinated child. What's their motive – money or

medicine? "

If you can show me the hard proof that these vaccines won't give my child

cancer,

arthritis or multiple sclerosis, ADD, autism, Guillian-Barre Syndrome, seizures,

a myrid of autoimmune disorders, and a host of other vaccine related side

effects, both short term and long, AND when vaccines are subjected to the same

level of scrutiny given to drugs that are not legally required by a government

that indemnifies the manufacturers against civil liability. I'll then consider

consenting to having my child vaccinated but until then I as a concerned parent

must insist on a professional policy of accountability and responsibility,

backed

by the threat of litigation.

Yours in Matters of Mutual Interest,

Larsen

PS If you are no longer the attending pediatric

physician for Winter, please notify me of the change, and please provide me with

the identity of her new pediatric physician.

Also, if you don't know, be aware that the following batch numbers for the

different vaccines have a history of causing severe to deadly vaccine reactions.

DPT lot numbers starting with 433 and 428

DTaP a819A2, 827A2 SKB

Hep B 2227A2 & 2250A2 SKB

Hib M0039, M0061 & M0293/M0545 SKB

OPV 0765D

Hep B 0312E Merck

OPV 442725 Lederly

Recalled-Tripedia™ DTaP vaccine lot number 0916490

cc: Suzanna Goldman, Attorney at Law

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Physician's Desk Reference (PDR), 50th Edition; Medical Economics, 1996, p.

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Vol. 118, Aug 1969

“Production and Testing of Rubella Virus Vaccine prepared on WI-38 sell

cultures.” Amer J Dis Child vol. 118 Aug 1969

“Attenuation Of RA 27/3 Rubella Virus in WI-38 Human Diploid Cells,” Amer J

Dis Child, vol. 118, Aug 1969

“Studies of Immunization With Living Rubella Virus,” Arch J Dis Child, vol.

110, Oct 1965

Hanchette, " Safety of controversial hepatitis B vaccine at center of

debate " Gannett News Service, 5/18/99.

“National Physicians & Surgeons Assn. Advises Stopping Mandatory Vaccinations

Vaccine Deaths, Damages Has Doctors Rethinking Public Health Policy,” 10-15-99,

WASHINGTON, D.C.

“Feds Vaccine Policy Under Fierce Fire,” Barry Forbes, The Tribune, Phoenix,

Arizona, July 25, 199

“National Physicians & Surgeons Assn. Advises Stopping Mandatory Vaccinations

Vaccine Deaths, Damages Has Doctors Rethinking Public Health Policy,” 10-15-99,

WASHINGTON, D.C.

Ibid.

Federal Register 63(77):19799-19802,22 April 1998

Environmental Defense Fund - www.scorecard.com

" IAC EXPRESS " , Issue Number 94 July 8, 1999

Buttram, H. The National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act: A Critique, The

Townsend

Letter for Doctors and Patients, October, 1998: 66-68

“Feds Vaccine Policy Under Fierce Fire,” Barry Forbes, The Tribune, Phoenix,

Arizona, July 25, 199

JustMOMThanks@... wrote:

> I am sure you guys remember how I asked for vaccination links to proove to my

> in-laws that a shouldn't be vaxed. Now they say that ANYTHING can be

> put on the internet...and they want hard proof, like books and magazine

> articles. I forwarded the Money magazine article on to them. But, that's

> not the OMG part. We got a letter from their attorney on Friday, stating

> that they are filing a custody suit, because they feel we are endangering

> a. The letter says that our court date is June 26...but we haven't

> gotten a subpoena, yet...so I don't know if it's a scare tactic or not. We

> are going on Friday to Virginia. My in-laws don't know, yet that we are

> coming. We are taking a lap-top with us...but I would like to be able to go

> the library once we get there...and get the books that have " hard proof " of

> what we've been saying all along. Also, how do I get a hard copy of the

> vaccination package inserts? Thanks. Also, pray for us...I know they can't

> get her...but I'm still shaken up.

>

> Jo

>

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Joann,

If they are filing a custody suit and you got a letter from their lawyer

then they have been doing quite a bit of legwork to get your daughter away

from you and probably have Plan B an Plan C ready to go. If it were me, I

wouldn't go near my in-laws, what will stop them from taking her from you

then *for her own good*?? They are not rational people, you should be very

careful. This is where you should consider lying for your daughters safety.

Have your husband tell them he decided to go against your wishes and have

them vaccinated - if that isn't realistic have him say bc of the lawyers

letter you've had to give her certain vaxes. You can even get a vax record

and fake the signatures. Don't give anymore *ammunition* to them. Don't

think they are on your side, they crossed the line big time!!!! What you do

is you business, tell them to mind their own!! Don't think they won't take

her in the middle of the night either, you could be charged with child

neglect or abuse and while that is going through the courts your daughter

taken away and vaccinated. Be very cautious!!!

-[paranoid] Dawn

OMG

> I am sure you guys remember how I asked for vaccination links to proove to

my

> in-laws that a shouldn't be vaxed. Now they say that ANYTHING can be

> put on the internet...and they want hard proof, like books and magazine

> articles. I forwarded the Money magazine article on to them. But, that's

> not the OMG part. We got a letter from their attorney on Friday, stating

> that they are filing a custody suit, because they feel we are endangering

> a. The letter says that our court date is June 26...but we haven't

> gotten a subpoena, yet...so I don't know if it's a scare tactic or not.

We

> are going on Friday to Virginia. My in-laws don't know, yet that we are

> coming. We are taking a lap-top with us...but I would like to be able to

go

> the library once we get there...and get the books that have " hard proof "

of

> what we've been saying all along. Also, how do I get a hard copy of the

> vaccination package inserts? Thanks. Also, pray for us...I know they

can't

> get her...but I'm still shaken up.

>

> Jo

>

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We are in Florida....my in-laws don't know we're coming....we're staying at a

townhouse belonging to a friend of mine. Some of my contacts think it may be

a scare tactic...since we've gotten no subpoena...some say we should lie and

fake the vax record...but I can't do...I am going to openly stand up for what

I know is right. They aren't coming anywhere near my daughter. If need be,

we'll hire a bodyguard, just for her.

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My in-laws are going to have to tread silently and carry a very big gun if

they think they are getting her away from me while I am still living. I have

told Dh that I am seriously re-thinking their visitation rights...and I am.

They will not be allowed to see a unless Shelton or myself is present at

all times. If one of us has to pee...she goes too. I know that sounds

rash...but considering the circumstances...I don't think so.

Jo

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Yes, be very careful here - I forget - what state are you in? Don't go

near Virginia would be my advice.

People can kidnap children.

Sheri

At 11:47 AM 06/19/2000 -0400, you wrote:

>Joann,

>

>If they are filing a custody suit and you got a letter from their lawyer

>then they have been doing quite a bit of legwork to get your daughter away

>from you and probably have Plan B an Plan C ready to go. If it were me, I

>wouldn't go near my in-laws, what will stop them from taking her from you

>then *for her own good*?? They are not rational people, you should be very

>careful. This is where you should consider lying for your daughters safety.

>Have your husband tell them he decided to go against your wishes and have

>them vaccinated - if that isn't realistic have him say bc of the lawyers

>letter you've had to give her certain vaxes. You can even get a vax record

>and fake the signatures. Don't give anymore *ammunition* to them. Don't

>think they are on your side, they crossed the line big time!!!! What you do

>is you business, tell them to mind their own!! Don't think they won't take

>her in the middle of the night either, you could be charged with child

>neglect or abuse and while that is going through the courts your daughter

>taken away and vaccinated. Be very cautious!!!

>

>

>-[paranoid] Dawn

>

> OMG

>

>

>> I am sure you guys remember how I asked for vaccination links to proove to

>my

>> in-laws that a shouldn't be vaxed. Now they say that ANYTHING can be

>> put on the internet...and they want hard proof, like books and magazine

>> articles. I forwarded the Money magazine article on to them. But, that's

>> not the OMG part. We got a letter from their attorney on Friday, stating

>> that they are filing a custody suit, because they feel we are endangering

>> a. The letter says that our court date is June 26...but we haven't

>> gotten a subpoena, yet...so I don't know if it's a scare tactic or not.

>We

>> are going on Friday to Virginia. My in-laws don't know, yet that we are

>> coming. We are taking a lap-top with us...but I would like to be able to

>go

>> the library once we get there...and get the books that have " hard proof "

>of

>> what we've been saying all along. Also, how do I get a hard copy of the

>> vaccination package inserts? Thanks. Also, pray for us...I know they

>can't

>> get her...but I'm still shaken up.

>>

>> Jo

>>

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My in-laws hired a lawyer, who sent us a letter informing us that they were

filing a custody suit, to take a away from us. The letter states that

the case is to go before the judge on June 26th. We have yet to get a

subpoena...so I don't know if this is just a scare tactic. On the chance

that it's not a scare tactic, we had planned to go to Va this weekend, to

combat this in court. On urging from other members of this list, and

personal friends, we are seriously re-thinking that choice.

We are gathering our information, anyway. I don't know what my in-laws are

doing - trying to scare us into vaxing her (which won't happen) or really

being stupid. A lawyer friend of ours planned to call their lawyer, today,

to try and get the truth - but their lawyer was in a conference.

This has been a nightmare...but I think I may have found a ray of sunshine.

Shelton and I are not legally married. We got the marriage license and went

through the ceremony with a notary...a friend of his...but we found out like

2 weeks after that that her commission had already expired. We haven't told

our family this because we didn't see it as a big deal. That means that we

aren't legally married and a is mine, all mine. I don't think they can

lay a hand on her...whether they want to or not. I don't know though, still

trying to check into that aspect.

Thanks for all your help guys. Yes, a is only 2 months old...that's why

a friend of ours suggested that it might be a scare tactic on their

part...because it's only been like 2 weeks since we informed them that we

weren't ever going to vaccinate her. I am praying that that's all it

is...but even so, this little stunt has caused them lose their granddaughter.

I can't trust them, it's as simple as that.

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Not at all rash to me!!! Does your husband support you? Gosh, I sure hope

sp.

Take care,

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>My in-laws are going to have to tread silently and carry a very big gun if

>they think they are getting her away from me while I am still living. I

>have

>told Dh that I am seriously re-thinking their visitation rights...and I am.

>They will not be allowed to see a unless Shelton or myself is present

>at

>all times. If one of us has to pee...she goes too. I know that sounds

>rash...but considering the circumstances...I don't think so.

>

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At 04:03 PM 06/19/2000 EDT, you wrote:

>My in-laws are going to have to tread silently and carry a very big gun if

>they think they are getting her away from me while I am still living. I

have

>told Dh that I am seriously re-thinking their visitation rights...and I am.

>They will not be allowed to see a unless Shelton or myself is present

at

>all times. If one of us has to pee...she goes too. I know that sounds

>rash...but considering the circumstances...I don't think so.

>

>Jo

Boy, I wouldn't risk any of this at all! Stay home and let them come to you.

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Yes, you've got it sister! I've been down this road! DO NOT GIVE THEM ANY

AMMUNITATION! DO NOT TELL THEM ANYTHING!! This stuff can be used in court. ANY

little thing you say can be used against you. I'm telling you I've been there,

been to court, lost and am legally court ordered to allow my daughter to be

vaccinated. I think it's a very good idea to do what Joann said, have you

husband look like he's the bad guy in your eyes and a hero in theirs.

Nittany Lion wrote:

> Joann,

>

> If they are filing a custody suit and you got a letter from their lawyer

> then they have been doing quite a bit of legwork to get your daughter away

> from you and probably have Plan B an Plan C ready to go. If it were me, I

> wouldn't go near my in-laws, what will stop them from taking her from you

> then *for her own good*?? They are not rational people, you should be very

> careful. This is where you should consider lying for your daughters safety.

> Have your husband tell them he decided to go against your wishes and have

> them vaccinated - if that isn't realistic have him say bc of the lawyers

> letter you've had to give her certain vaxes. You can even get a vax record

> and fake the signatures. Don't give anymore *ammunition* to them. Don't

> think they are on your side, they crossed the line big time!!!! What you do

> is you business, tell them to mind their own!! Don't think they won't take

> her in the middle of the night either, you could be charged with child

> neglect or abuse and while that is going through the courts your daughter

> taken away and vaccinated. Be very cautious!!!

>

> -[paranoid] Dawn

>

> OMG

>

> > I am sure you guys remember how I asked for vaccination links to proove to

> my

> > in-laws that a shouldn't be vaxed. Now they say that ANYTHING can be

> > put on the internet...and they want hard proof, like books and magazine

> > articles. I forwarded the Money magazine article on to them. But, that's

> > not the OMG part. We got a letter from their attorney on Friday, stating

> > that they are filing a custody suit, because they feel we are endangering

> > a. The letter says that our court date is June 26...but we haven't

> > gotten a subpoena, yet...so I don't know if it's a scare tactic or not.

> We

> > are going on Friday to Virginia. My in-laws don't know, yet that we are

> > coming. We are taking a lap-top with us...but I would like to be able to

> go

> > the library once we get there...and get the books that have " hard proof "

> of

> > what we've been saying all along. Also, how do I get a hard copy of the

> > vaccination package inserts? Thanks. Also, pray for us...I know they

> can't

> > get her...but I'm still shaken up.

> >

> > Jo

> >

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Don't be a martyr with your daughter. I would just cut all ties with them unless

you like the drama.

JustMOMThanks@... wrote:

> We are in Florida....my in-laws don't know we're coming....we're staying at a

> townhouse belonging to a friend of mine. Some of my contacts think it may be

> a scare tactic...since we've gotten no subpoena...some say we should lie and

> fake the vax record...but I can't do...I am going to openly stand up for what

> I know is right. They aren't coming anywhere near my daughter. If need be,

> we'll hire a bodyguard, just for her.

>

> Jo

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Has your daughter been vaccinated? Who came after you to force vaccinations

on her?

-Dawn

OMG

> >

> > > I am sure you guys remember how I asked for vaccination links to

proove to

> > my

> > > in-laws that a shouldn't be vaxed. Now they say that ANYTHING

can be

> > > put on the internet...and they want hard proof, like books and

magazine

> > > articles. I forwarded the Money magazine article on to them. But,

that's

> > > not the OMG part. We got a letter from their attorney on Friday,

stating

> > > that they are filing a custody suit, because they feel we are

endangering

> > > a. The letter says that our court date is June 26...but we

haven't

> > > gotten a subpoena, yet...so I don't know if it's a scare tactic or

not.

> > We

> > > are going on Friday to Virginia. My in-laws don't know, yet that we

are

> > > coming. We are taking a lap-top with us...but I would like to be able

to

> > go

> > > the library once we get there...and get the books that have " hard

proof "

> > of

> > > what we've been saying all along. Also, how do I get a hard copy of

the

> > > vaccination package inserts? Thanks. Also, pray for us...I know they

> > can't

> > > get her...but I'm still shaken up.

> > >

> > > Jo

> > >

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Jo,

Rash?? You are being VERY generous!!

-Dawn

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> My in-laws are going to have to tread silently and carry a very big gun if

> they think they are getting her away from me while I am still living. I

have

> told Dh that I am seriously re-thinking their visitation rights...and I

am.

> They will not be allowed to see a unless Shelton or myself is present

at

> all times. If one of us has to pee...she goes too. I know that sounds

> rash...but considering the circumstances...I don't think so.

>

> Jo

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Joanna is the person who came on the board a few weeks ago and said " Crunch

Time " on Friday for first doctors office appointment at 2 months on Monday.

Many of us provided information. So this baby is only 2 months old.

We are puzzled by all of this.

??? Joanna, what is going on?

Sheri

At 06:31 PM 06/19/2000 -0400, you wrote:

>,

>

>Has your daughter been vaccinated? Who came after you to force vaccinations

>on her?

>

>-Dawn

> OMG

>> >

>> > > I am sure you guys remember how I asked for vaccination links to

>proove to

>> > my

>> > > in-laws that a shouldn't be vaxed. Now they say that ANYTHING

>can be

>> > > put on the internet...and they want hard proof, like books and

>magazine

>> > > articles. I forwarded the Money magazine article on to them. But,

>that's

>> > > not the OMG part. We got a letter from their attorney on Friday,

>stating

>> > > that they are filing a custody suit, because they feel we are

>endangering

>> > > a. The letter says that our court date is June 26...but we

>haven't

>> > > gotten a subpoena, yet...so I don't know if it's a scare tactic or

>not.

>> > We

>> > > are going on Friday to Virginia. My in-laws don't know, yet that we

>are

>> > > coming. We are taking a lap-top with us...but I would like to be able

>to

>> > go

>> > > the library once we get there...and get the books that have " hard

>proof "

>> > of

>> > > what we've been saying all along. Also, how do I get a hard copy of

>the

>> > > vaccination package inserts? Thanks. Also, pray for us...I know they

>> > can't

>> > > get her...but I'm still shaken up.

>> > >

>> > > Jo

>> > >

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Is he the father of the a? Because if not then she really is all

yours. What does your husband think of the way his parents are acting?

JustMOMThanks@... wrote:

>

> My in-laws hired a lawyer, who sent us a letter informing us that they were

> filing a custody suit, to take a away from us. The letter states that

> the case is to go before the judge on June 26th. We have yet to get a

> subpoena...so I don't know if this is just a scare tactic. On the chance

> that it's not a scare tactic, we had planned to go to Va this weekend, to

> combat this in court. On urging from other members of this list, and

> personal friends, we are seriously re-thinking that choice.

>

> We are gathering our information, anyway. I don't know what my in-laws are

> doing - trying to scare us into vaxing her (which won't happen) or really

> being stupid. A lawyer friend of ours planned to call their lawyer, today,

> to try and get the truth - but their lawyer was in a conference.

>

> This has been a nightmare...but I think I may have found a ray of sunshine.

> Shelton and I are not legally married. We got the marriage license and went

> through the ceremony with a notary...a friend of his...but we found out like

> 2 weeks after that that her commission had already expired. We haven't told

> our family this because we didn't see it as a big deal. That means that we

> aren't legally married and a is mine, all mine. I don't think they can

> lay a hand on her...whether they want to or not. I don't know though, still

> trying to check into that aspect.

>

> Thanks for all your help guys. Yes, a is only 2 months old...that's why

> a friend of ours suggested that it might be a scare tactic on their

> part...because it's only been like 2 weeks since we informed them that we

> weren't ever going to vaccinate her. I am praying that that's all it

> is...but even so, this little stunt has caused them lose their granddaughter.

> I can't trust them, it's as simple as that.

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See a lawyer now! There must be other issues here.

Sheri

At 07:58 PM 06/19/2000 EDT, you wrote:

>My in-laws hired a lawyer, who sent us a letter informing us that they were

>filing a custody suit, to take a away from us. The letter states that

>the case is to go before the judge on June 26th. We have yet to get a

>subpoena...so I don't know if this is just a scare tactic. On the chance

>that it's not a scare tactic, we had planned to go to Va this weekend, to

>combat this in court. On urging from other members of this list, and

>personal friends, we are seriously re-thinking that choice.

>

>We are gathering our information, anyway. I don't know what my in-laws are

>doing - trying to scare us into vaxing her (which won't happen) or really

>being stupid. A lawyer friend of ours planned to call their lawyer, today,

>to try and get the truth - but their lawyer was in a conference.

>

>This has been a nightmare...but I think I may have found a ray of sunshine.

>Shelton and I are not legally married. We got the marriage license and went

>through the ceremony with a notary...a friend of his...but we found out like

>2 weeks after that that her commission had already expired. We haven't told

>our family this because we didn't see it as a big deal. That means that we

>aren't legally married and a is mine, all mine. I don't think they can

>lay a hand on her...whether they want to or not. I don't know though, still

>trying to check into that aspect.

>

>Thanks for all your help guys. Yes, a is only 2 months old...that's

why

>a friend of ours suggested that it might be a scare tactic on their

>part...because it's only been like 2 weeks since we informed them that we

>weren't ever going to vaccinate her. I am praying that that's all it

>is...but even so, this little stunt has caused them lose their

granddaughter.

> I can't trust them, it's as simple as that.

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Oh it's a long story but I'll give a condensed version. I got pregnant and

choose to give my baby up for adoption. 2 days before i was due, the birth

father came out of the blue and stopped the adoption. He wanted full custody

since I was making the choice I was making, if that even makes sense. I choose

to keep her, (thank God). I was 2 days postpartum and I was in court again. The

judge gave us joint custody and he got liberal visitation. It's a patriarchal

court system. 6 months later we're back in court over the vaccination issue. I

was told by my Jewish attorney to claim a religious exemption and to keep the

scientific proof out of it. Strictly religious because of my amendments. Ya,

right. The judge recognized " I has a sincere religious belief but it's in the

child's best interest to vaccinate her. " That's a quote. I ran out of money so i

filed an appeal. The appellate court accept my claim but I had to let it go. It

was too much for me. I was out of my league. I prayed and prayed about it. My

daughter is not up to date on her vaccinations thank God. I think part of it is

her dad is tired of trying to find a ped that I don't scare off and he's going

to a natropath and chiro now. I think they are educating him AND I think God IS

playing a part here. There.. in a nut shell. Yes, AZ has exemptions but the

court doesn't care if one parent wants the child to be vaccinated.

Nittany Lion wrote:

> ,

>

> Has your daughter been vaccinated? Who came after you to force vaccinations

> on her?

>

> -Dawn

> OMG

> > >

> > > > I am sure you guys remember how I asked for vaccination links to

> proove to

> > > my

> > > > in-laws that a shouldn't be vaxed. Now they say that ANYTHING

> can be

> > > > put on the internet...and they want hard proof, like books and

> magazine

> > > > articles. I forwarded the Money magazine article on to them. But,

> that's

> > > > not the OMG part. We got a letter from their attorney on Friday,

> stating

> > > > that they are filing a custody suit, because they feel we are

> endangering

> > > > a. The letter says that our court date is June 26...but we

> haven't

> > > > gotten a subpoena, yet...so I don't know if it's a scare tactic or

> not.

> > > We

> > > > are going on Friday to Virginia. My in-laws don't know, yet that we

> are

> > > > coming. We are taking a lap-top with us...but I would like to be able

> to

> > > go

> > > > the library once we get there...and get the books that have " hard

> proof "

> > > of

> > > > what we've been saying all along. Also, how do I get a hard copy of

> the

> > > > vaccination package inserts? Thanks. Also, pray for us...I know they

> > > can't

> > > > get her...but I'm still shaken up.

> > > >

> > > > Jo

> > > >

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I don't know why you feel that

you need to go see them - I'd be keeping as far away from them as possible!!

Staying away from them is NOT backing down - just good sense. When

pioneers knew that trouble was afoot they circled the wagons to keep the

others out; they didn't go plunging into it full speed. If you go

charging over to your in(out?)-laws unannounced what makes you think that

they won't add "stalking" or "threatening" to the list of your so-called

parental faults. My advise is to stay home and call a lawyer, Jo!!

My 2 cents ~

JustMOMThanks@... wrote:

We are in Florida....my in-laws don't know we're

coming....we're staying at a

townhouse belonging to a friend of mine. Some of my contacts

think it may be

a scare tactic...since we've gotten no subpoena...some say we should

lie and

fake the vax record...but I can't do...I am going to openly stand

up for what

I know is right. They aren't coming anywhere near my daughter.

If need be,

we'll hire a bodyguard, just for her.

Jo

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  • 9 years later...

I was activated two days, Thursday. From the first moment I was turned on I

could hear clearly without distortion. I heard music all day long, every

instrument was clear, although Louis Armstrong sounded a lot like Mama Cass and

ny Cash sounded like June . I tested Friday. Before the CI I tested

at 4% at 100 db and 24% at 105 db. Yesterday I tested at 100% at 25db. I

literally can't believe my ears. This result is way beyond my wildest

imagination. I want to thank you all for the encouragement I received in making

my decision. it was only because of the information/feedback I've received from

you over the past couple of months that I was able to hear my daughter yesterday

and help her with her homework. Just a dream before. I'm so excited to explore

all the environments I live in. thank you all

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