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thanksjoyous1_1210 <joyous1_1210@...> wrote: As far as I have been told and can determine, it would appear that they do not use the Option's that were only for EtG when people call in.......so it looks like since last year they have been avoiding the EtG test for the PA PHMP..........:)>> Ok,> > I am sure that this question has been asked

before, but I was > wondering if Pennsylvania's PMHP (VRP)currently uses the EtG test > (Firstlab is the testing company). I know that the PHP (Physician's > Health Programs) thru the PA MED SOCIETY does not currently use the > test. > > Thanks>

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u r welcome:)........this all happened around Oct-Nov 06........after of course many of us were penalized for +EtG and falsely accused........" Kasarda M.D." <viking_doc@...> wrote: thanksjoyous1_1210 <joyous1_1210 > wrote: As far as I have been told and can determine, it would appear that they do not use the Option's that were only for EtG when people call in.......so it looks like since

last year they have been avoiding the EtG test for the PA PHMP..........:)>> Ok,> > I am sure that this question has been asked before, but I was > wondering if Pennsylvania's PMHP (VRP)currently uses the EtG test > (Firstlab is the testing company). I know that the PHP (Physician's > Health Programs) thru the PA MED SOCIETY does not currently use the > test. > > Thanks> Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.

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I know...I am paranoid about it as well...I have been in the VRP program since April 06 and I do recall getting tested for option 1 a few times in addition to 3 and 7...but since that time I have only been tested for 3 and 7. Thanks againJoy <joyous1_1210@...> wrote: u r welcome:)........this all happened around Oct-Nov 06........after of course many of us were penalized for +EtG and falsely accused........" Kasarda M.D." <viking_doc >

wrote: thanksjoyous1_1210 <joyous1_1210 > wrote: As far as I have been told and can determine, it would appear that they do not use the Option's that were only for EtG when people call in.......so it looks like since last year they have been avoiding the EtG test for the PA PHMP..........:)>> Ok,> > I am sure that this question has been asked before, but I was > wondering if Pennsylvania's PMHP (VRP)currently uses the EtG test > (Firstlab is the testing company). I know that the PHP (Physician's >

Health Programs) thru the PA MED SOCIETY does not currently use the > test. > > Thanks> Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.

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God I wish California would finally see the light!! I got my confirmation from

Compassvision today, and will start testing again soon. I can only hope for the

best, but I know my license is on the line, and it really sucks. One day at a

time.

-------------- Original message ----------------------

From: " Kasarda M.D. " <viking_doc@...>

> I know...I am paranoid about it as well...I have been in the VRP program since

> April 06 and I do recall getting tested for option 1 a few times in addition

to

> 3 and 7...but since that time I have only been tested for 3 and 7.

>

> Thanks again

>

> Joy <joyous1_1210@...> wrote:

> u r welcome:)........this all happened around Oct-Nov

06........after

> of course many of us were penalized for +EtG and falsely accused........

>

> " Kasarda M.D. " <viking_doc@...> wrote: thanks

>

> joyous1_1210 <joyous1_1210@...> wrote:

> As far as I have been told and can determine, it would appear that

> they do not use the Option's that were only for EtG when people call

> in.......so it looks like since last year they have been avoiding the

> EtG test for the PA PHMP..........:)

>

> >> Ok,> > I am sure that this question has been asked before, but I was > wondering if Pennsylvania's PMHP (VRP)currently uses the EtG test > (Firstlab is the testing company). I know that the PHP (Physician's >

Health Programs) thru the PA MED SOCIETY does not currently use the > test. > > Thanks> Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.

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Were those that were punished because of false postives given any opportunity to

appeal once they realized it was a screwed up test? This is the next step for

those in states who have stopped using it. I will fight tooth and nail to have

my license cleared once Calif. stops. I would have been out of diversion for

nearly a year now! It is so hard not to be bitter. OK I' m lying, I am bitter.

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From: Joy <joyous1_1210@...>

> u r welcome:)........this all happened around Oct-Nov 06........after of

course

> many of us were penalized for +EtG and falsely accused........

>

> " Kasarda M.D. " <viking_doc@...> wrote:

> thanks

>

> joyous1_1210 <joyous1_1210@...> wrote:

> As far as I have been told and can determine, it would appear that

> they do not use the Option's that were only for EtG when people call

> in.......so it looks like since last year they have been avoiding the

> EtG test for the PA PHMP..........:)

>

> >> Ok,> > I am sure that this question has been asked before, but I was > wondering if Pennsylvania's PMHP (VRP)currently uses the EtG test > (Firstlab is the testing company). I know that the PHP (Physician's > Health Programs) thru the PA MED SOCIETY does not currently use the > test. > > Thanks> Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.

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No, we were never given any opportunity at all..........for me, more years had already been added to my contract from the first mistake in 2004, and then again in 2006.........and I had to finish out my "sentence"........and no, no one said they were sorry, that it was a mistake........curlyquiz <curlyquiz@...> wrote: Liz, why did probation pick you up so fast? Most of us have been waiting 2-3 years. Not that I'm complaining!!! :) > > > > > > Ok, > > > > > > I am sure that this question has been asked before, but I was > > > wondering if Pennsylvania's PMHP (VRP)currently uses the EtG test > > > (Firstlab is the testing company). I know that the PHP (Physician's > > > Health Programs) thru the PA MED SOCIETY does not currently use the > > > test. > > > >

> > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. >

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usually CA is on the ball, it is odd that they still believe that this test is OK,,,,,,,,,it all about the $$$ I suppose............mslizrn@... wrote: God I wish California would finally see the light!! I got my confirmation from Compassvision today, and will start testing again soon. I can only hope for the best, but I know my license is on the line, and it really sucks. One day at a time. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: " Kasarda M.D." <viking_doc > > I know...I am paranoid about it as well...I have been in the VRP program since > April 06 and I do recall getting tested for option 1 a few times in addition to > 3 and 7...but since that time I have only been tested for 3 and 7. > > Thanks again > > Joy <joyous1_1210 > wrote: > u r welcome:)........this all happened around Oct-Nov 06........after > of course many of us were penalized for +EtG and falsely accused........ > > " Kasarda M.D." <viking_doc > wrote: thanks > > joyous1_1210 <joyous1_1210 > wrote: > As far as I have been told and can determine, it

would appear that > they do not use the Option's that were only for EtG when people call > in.......so it looks like since last year they have been avoiding the > EtG test for the PA PHMP..........:) > > >> Ok,> > I am sure that this question has been asked before, but I was > wondering if Pennsylvania's PMHP (VRP)currently uses the EtG test > (Firstlab is the testing company). I know that the PHP (Physician's > Health Programs) thru the PA MED SOCIETY does not currently use the > test. > > Thanks> Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.

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You're right, its ironic, in the one area I wish Calif. was more liberal, they

are like the Soviet Union!!! Our BRN is like a nightmare from the 50's the

Senate hearings conducted by Mc Carthy has nothing on the Calif. BRN. If you are

or ever were an addict/alcoholic, you are a criminal, liar, loser etc....

regardless of the song and dance they are required to give, there is no fair

second chance unless you are purely lucky.

-------------- Original message ----------------------

From: Joy <joyous1_1210@...>

> usually CA is on the ball, it is odd that they still believe that this test is

> OK,,,,,,,,,it all about the $$$ I suppose............

>

> mslizrn@... wrote: God I wish California

> would finally see the light!! I got my confirmation from Compassvision today,

> and will start testing again soon. I can only hope for the best, but I know my

> license is on the line, and it really sucks. One day at a time.

> -------------- Original message ----------------------

> From: " Kasarda M.D. " <viking_doc@...>

> > I know...I am paranoid about it as well...I have been in the VRP program

> since

> > April 06 and I do recall getting tested for option 1 a few times in

addition

> to

> > 3 and 7...but since that time I have only been tested for 3 and 7.

> >

> > Thanks again

> >

> > Joy <joyous1_1210@...> wrote:

> > u r welcome:)........this all happened around Oct-Nov

> 06........after

> > of course many of us were penalized for +EtG and falsely accused........

> >

> > " Kasarda M.D. " <viking_doc@...> wrote: thanks

> >

> > joyous1_1210 <joyous1_1210@...> wrote:

> > As far as I have been told and can determine, it would appear that

> > they do not use the Option's that were only for EtG when people call

> > in.......so it looks like since last year they have been avoiding the

> > EtG test for the PA PHMP..........:)

> >

> > >> Ok,> > I am sure that this question has been asked before, but I was > wondering if Pennsylvania's PMHP (VRP)currently uses the EtG test > (Firstlab is the testing company). I know that the PHP (Physician's > Health Programs) thru the PA MED SOCIETY does not currently use the > test. > > Thanks> Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.

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The only consolation is that you can honestly look at yourself in the mirror,

and know who you are. I don't know how they even sleep at night, but one can

hope it is poorly.

-------------- Original message ----------------------

From: Joy <joyous1_1210@...>

> No, we were never given any opportunity at all..........for me, more years had

> already been added to my contract from the first mistake in 2004, and then

again

> in 2006.........and I had to finish out my " sentence " ........and no, no one

said

> they were sorry, that it was a mistake........

>

> curlyquiz <curlyquiz@...> wrote: Liz, why

> did probation pick you up so fast? Most of us have been

> waiting 2-3 years. Not that I'm complaining!!! :)

>

> > > > > > > Ok, > > > > > > I am sure that this question has been asked before, but I was > > > wondering if Pennsylvania's PMHP (VRP)currently uses the EtG test > > > (Firstlab is the testing company). I know that the PHP (Physician's > > > Health Programs) thru the PA MED SOCIETY does not currently use the > > > test. > > > >

> > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. >

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I think its because they had already begun the investigation process when I

entered diversion so they were a step ahead so to speak. Ironic they were so on

the ball with that yet so out of touch with the truth behind EtG. If they put

half the effort into investigating EtG..... wishful thinking.

-------------- Original message ----------------------

From: " curlyquiz " <curlyquiz@...>

> Liz, why did probation pick you up so fast? Most of us have been

> waiting 2-3 years. Not that I'm complaining!!! :)

>

>

>

>

>

> > >

> > > Ok,

> > >

> > > I am sure that this question has been asked before, but I was

> > > wondering if Pennsylvania's PMHP (VRP)currently uses the EtG test

> > > (Firstlab is the testing company). I know that the PHP (Physician's

> > > Health Programs) thru the PA MED SOCIETY does not currently use the

> > > test.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

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My case manager was the worst of all, I think she actually enjoyed making " the

call! " As far as DEC. would that they could be open to liability when the truth

about EtG comes out!!!

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From: " curlyquiz " <curlyquiz@...>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> In California BRN Diversion, there is no such thing as " appeal " because

> it's a voluntary program. All you could do is go to your DEC and say

> your piece, which they didn't want to hear; Your case manager would

> tell you " get all your info together, all your evidence, everything

> you ate or drank, bring it to DEC " ; once at DEC, the panel would tell

> you " this is not the forum for discussing ETG testing, talk to your

> case manager " .They simply did not care, they just wanted all the i's

> dotted and all the t's crossed; the main concern was that if they

> didn't punish you, they would be open to liability.

>

>

>

> > >

> > > Ok,

> > >

> > > I am sure that this question has been asked before, but I was

> > > wondering if Pennsylvania's PMHP (VRP)currently uses the EtG test

> > > (Firstlab is the testing company). I know that the PHP (Physician's

> > > Health Programs) thru the PA MED SOCIETY does not currently use the

> > > test.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.

> >

> >

> >

> >

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i thought they only investigated if you drop out.

--- mslizrn@... wrote:

> I think its because they had already begun the

> investigation process when I entered diversion so

> they were a step ahead so to speak. Ironic they were

> so on the ball with that yet so out of touch with

> the truth behind EtG. If they put half the effort

> into investigating EtG..... wishful thinking.

> -------------- Original message

> ----------------------

> From: " curlyquiz " <curlyquiz@...>

> > Liz, why did probation pick you up so fast? Most

> of us have been

> > waiting 2-3 years. Not that I'm complaining!!! :)

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Ok,

> > >

> > > I am sure that this question has been asked

before, but I was

> > > wondering if Pennsylvania's PMHP (VRP)currently

uses the EtG test

> > > (Firstlab is the testing company). I know that

the PHP (Physician's

> > > Health Programs) thru the PA MED SOCIETY does

not currently use the

> > > test.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.

>

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I left diversion after a total of 4 positive EtG tests, the last one they told

me to enter an inpatient treatment center or leave diversion. I really had no

choice, I am one of those people, and there are thousands I believe , who will

test positive on occasion no matter what. I took a polygraph, never was a

drinker... none of that matters only the friggin test. We are a profession that

has it drilled into to us to " Treat the Patient, not the monitor! " Yet they will

not see anything but test results.

-------------- Original message ----------------------

From: Hartman <jhartman32001@...>

> i thought they only investigated if you drop out.

>

> --- mslizrn@... wrote:

>

> > I think its because they had already begun the

> > investigation process when I entered diversion so

> > they were a step ahead so to speak. Ironic they were

> > so on the ball with that yet so out of touch with

> > the truth behind EtG. If they put half the effort

> > into investigating EtG..... wishful thinking.

> > -------------- Original message

> > ----------------------

> > From: " curlyquiz " <curlyquiz@...>

> > > Liz, why did probation pick you up so fast? Most

> > of us have been

> > > waiting 2-3 years. Not that I'm complaining!!! :)

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Ok,

> > >

> > > I am sure that this question has been asked

before, but I was

> > > wondering if Pennsylvania's PMHP (VRP)currently

uses the EtG test

> > > (Firstlab is the testing company). I know that

the PHP (Physician's

> > > Health Programs) thru the PA MED SOCIETY does

not currently use the

> > > test.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

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>

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I faced the choice of choosing a 30-day treatment program vs. turning in my license after having my 7th positive EtG in late December. I am already in probation. I am completely trapped. It's a horrible choice, but I'm not ready to give them the license yet. It is simply insane. The people who know me KNOW that I'm going through hell and there is NO WAY to prove my innocence. The people who are running my life (Maximus) use their mentality that "people lie, drug tests do not" and have determined that I AM LYING. So much for "open-mindedness". I've been told by my group facilitator that, if by some possibility EVERYTHING I've been saying all along is TRUE about my false positives, then what I've gone through is absolutely horrible. It is ALL TRUE. I wouldn't wish it upon ANYONE. I pray for you all.

Lorie

-------------- Original message -------------- From: mslizrn@...

I left diversion after a total of 4 positive EtG tests, the last one they told me to enter an inpatient treatment center or leave diversion. I really had no choice, I am one of those people, and there are thousands I believe , who will test positive on occasion no matter what. I took a polygraph, never was a drinker... none of that matters only the friggin test. We are a profession that has it drilled into to us to "Treat the Patient, not the monitor!" Yet they will not see anything but test results. -------------- Original message ----------------------From: Hartman <jhartman32001 >> i thought they only investigated if you drop out. > > --- mslizrncomcast (DOT) net wrote:> > > I think its because they had already begun the> > investigation process when I entered diversion so> > t

hey were a step ahead so to speak. Ironic they were> > so on the ball with that yet so out of touch with> > the truth behind EtG. If they put half the effort> > into investigating EtG..... wishful thinking.> > -------------- Original message> > ----------------------> > From: "curlyquiz" <curlyquiz >> > > Liz, why did probation pick you up so fast? Most> > of us have been> > > waiting 2-3 years. Not that I'm complaining!!! :)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > Ok,

> > >

> > > I am sure that this question has been asked

before, but I was

> > > wondering if Pennsylvania's PMHP (VRP)currently

uses the EtG test

> > > (Firstlab is the testing company). I know that

the PHP (Physician's

> > > Health Programs) thru the PA MED SOCIETY does

not currently use the

> > > test.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

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I has to have the evaluation from the addiction specialist for the BRN last

week, Lori. His words were similar to your facilitator, " if your not lying this

is horrible. " Your letter reflects my feelings so well. I am so tired, and yet

not enough to give up my license. I left diversion because a lot of the members

were in probation and felt that ironically probation was less punitive than

diversion, even though it will be on my license forever. I know the odds are I

will have positives in probation as well. I have already told my monitor, and

all I can do is face it as it comes!! My thoughts and prayers are with you, I

truly know how you feel.

-------------- Original message ----------------------

From: saclorie@...

> I faced the choice of choosing a 30-day treatment program vs. turning in my

> license after having my 7th positive EtG in late December. I am already in

> probation. I am completely trapped. It's a horrible choice, but I'm not ready

to

> give them the license yet. It is simply insane. The people who know me KNOW

that

> I'm going through hell and there is NO WAY to prove my innocence. The people

who

> are running my life (Maximus) use their mentality that " people lie, drug tests

> do not " and have determined that I AM LYING. So much for " open-mindedness " .

I've

> been told by my group facilitator that, if by some possibility EVERYTHING I've

> been saying all along is TRUE about my false positives, then what I've gone

> through is absolutely horrible. It is ALL TRUE. I wouldn't wish it upon

ANYONE.

> I pray for you all.

> Lorie

>

> -------------- Original message --------------

> From: mslizrn@...

> I left diversion after a total of 4 positive EtG tests, the last one they told

> me to enter an inpatient treatment center or leave diversion. I really had no

> choice, I am one of those people, and there are thousands I believe , who will

> test positive on occasion no matter what. I took a polygraph, never was a

> drinker... none of that matters only the friggin test. We are a profession

that

> has it drilled into to us to " Treat the Patient, not the monitor! " Yet they

will

> not see anything but test results.

> -------------- Original message ----------------------

> From: Hartman <jhartman32001@...>

> > i thought they only investigated if you drop out.

> >

> > --- mslizrn@... wrote:

> >

> > > I think its because they had already begun the

> > > investigation process when I entered diversion so

> > > they were a step ahead so to speak. Ironic they were

> > > so on the ball with that yet so out of touch with

> > > the truth behind EtG. If they put half the effort

> > > into investigating EtG..... wishful thinking.

> > > -------------- Original message

> > > ----------------------

> > > From: " curlyquiz " <curlyquiz@...>

> > > > Liz, why did probation pick you up so fast? Most

> > > of us have been

> > > > waiting 2-3 years. Not that I'm complaining!!! :)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > Ok,

> > >

> > > I am sure that this question has been asked

before, but I was

> > > wondering if Pennsylvania's PMHP (VRP)currently

uses the EtG test

> > > (Firstlab is the testing company). I know that

the PHP (Physician's

> > > Health Programs) thru the PA MED SOCIETY does

not currently use the

> > > test.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

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Before the end of the year etg will be taken off the market as a method of alcohol monitoring because of its frequent false positives in women and many legal actions will take place to make people whole. We are going to win this and the darkest hour is just before the dawn. Dr. Dan

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same here- no opportunity or option to appeal. I also had time added to my "sentence" But I haven't had the etg option selection since this whole mess. Although it doesn't stop me from being beyond paranoid of what I touch, eat, or breath.

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I am so hopeful that you are right. That would take such a weight off me, and

would allow me to focus on the things that are truly important.

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>

>

>

> same here- no opportunity or option to appeal. I also had time added

> to my " sentence " But I haven't had the etg option selection since this

> whole mess. Although it doesn't stop me from being beyond paranoid of

> what I touch, eat, or breath.

>

>

>

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agree with DD2.. below from gregskippermd main proponent of EtG current policy on ethylgucuronide.homestead.com... if he is backpedaling and many states have caved it is just a matter of time. hang in there lorie surrender to win long term all the

best The following updated advisory has been developed in response to questions from monitoring programs and regulatory boards regarding EtG testing: No laboratory test is 100% accurate. Clinical correlation is always important. Some people produce more EtG for a given dose of ethanol than others associated with

a known genetic polymorphism in the human UDP-glucuronyl transferase enzyme system. The exact limits of this variation are not known. A positive EtG is not proof of intentional alcoholic beverage consumption. Low level positive tests are known to occur due to incidental exposure. The cutoff for possible incidental exposure vs intentional use has not been accurately established, due to many factors including; amount of "incidental" exposure, individual metabolism, hydration, kidney function, etc.. For the above reasons it is advisable, whenever

possible, to refrain from taking action against an employee or licensee based on urine EtG testing alone. In the presence of a positive EtG test, if alcohol use is denied, we encourage the use of clinical evaluation by an addiction medicine specialist to more fully assess the meaning of a positive test. We encourage Boards, Courts, and/or Employers to rely on Addiction Medicine assessments to help interpret positive test results. Despite the above limitation many monitoring programs have found EtG testing to be useful for early detection of alcohol use. EtG is a far superior marker for recent alcohol use than previous tests. More investigation is currently underway. Questions and Answers: -Is it your recommendation that EtG testing results not be relied upon carte blanche at this point. Yes. -Do you believe that until further study can be done, any score under 1000 could be questioned legitimately. These are rough guidelines. I would encourage clinical correlation, especially when the level is below 1000, the patient denies drinking, and there is no other evidence of problems. I would not advise taking action against a licensee if the only evidence of a problem is a low positive EtG test. danramo@... wrote: Before the end of the year etg will be taken off the market as a method of alcohol monitoring

because of its frequent false positives in women and many legal actions will take place to make people whole. We are going to win this and the darkest hour is just before the dawn. Dr. Dan Re: PHMP and EtG same here- no opportunity or option to appeal. I also had time added to my "sentence" But I haven't had the etg option selection since this whole mess. Although it doesn't stop me from being beyond paranoid of what I touch, eat, or breath.

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I also sent a file to Dept. Of Consumer Affairs, which included the advisories

and the article from the WSJ, plus a copy of my polygraph results and all my

letters! Am so glad you did too there is power in numbers!!

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Tmslizrn@... wrote: I also sent a file to Dept. Of Consumer Affairs, which included the advisories and the article from the WSJ, plus a copy of my polygraph results and all my letters! Am so glad you did too there is power in numbers!!--------- Re: PHMP and EtG> > > > ---------------------------------> More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail!>

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right........:)mslizrn@... wrote: The only consolation is that you can honestly look at yourself in the mirror, and know who you are. I don't know how they even sleep at night, but one can hope it is poorly. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Joy <joyous1_1210 > > No, we were never given any opportunity at all..........for me, more years had > already been added to my contract from the first mistake in 2004, and then

again > in 2006.........and I had to finish out my "sentence"........and no, no one said > they were sorry, that it was a mistake........ > > curlyquiz <curlyquiz > wrote: Liz, why > did probation pick you up so fast? Most of us have been > waiting 2-3 years. Not that I'm complaining!!! :) > > > > > > > > Ok, > > > > > > I am sure that this question has been asked before, but I was > > > wondering if Pennsylvania's PMHP (VRP)currently uses

the EtG test > > > (Firstlab is the testing company). I know that the PHP (Physician's > > > Health Programs) thru the PA MED SOCIETY does not currently use the > > > test. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search.

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All well and good but I had a high positive and did not drink, take it off the

market it is not accurate!!

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that would be the perfect solution, to see it go away, but this is at least some progress in this long battlemslizrn@... wrote: All well and good but I had a high positive and did not drink, take it off the market it is not accurate!! --------- Re: PHMP and EtG > > > > --------------------------------- > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail! >

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So true, I am sorry, I tend to forget to look at small victories.

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