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Hi Lesley, is Lucozade a nutrition drink? I'm worried for your girl too and

thinking of dehydration as well. Can she drink enough Lucozade to maintain

or even gain weight, is it that type of product?

I don't have the medical background to judge this, but I encourage you to do

whatever you need to do to keep your child safe. " Her way " is not working

obviously. I think you need some sort of behavior contract with teeth with

her. Example she lose no weight each week, eat X amount daily, or gain X

amount weekly or she goes to the hospital. You might work with a dietitian

to come up with the terms of this behavior contract--let that person be the

" bad guy " so to speak. Maybe the mh nurse can do this for you.

You may at some point need to consider taking her to an ER, perhaps with

police escort if she is not willing.

I wrote in another post about my take on dangerous obsessions and

compulsions. Others can be worked on well with CBT/ERP, but ones that are

medically or physically dangerous can't be allowed to continue IMO.

(((Hugs))) I think of you often and the crushing worry you must be feeling.

My own child has had a number of OCD eating compulsions but none that risked

her health in this way, and they worried me plenty. You must be nearly

beside yourself.

Take care,

Kathy R. in Indiana

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> just want to say Becky lost another 3lbs this week, thats 6 lbs in 2

> weeks.

> Her legs are " wobbly " , she smells of ketones but has started to drink lots

> of

> Lucozade & is at least picking a little food again. She's 64 lbs, BMI

> about

> 13.8 Seeing pdoc next Fri coz he wants to ref to paediatrician to check

> no

> physical reason. Couldn't go to school today, felt legs were too

> wobbly(not

> suprised). She refused to see her counsellor today. Supposed to see MH

> nurse

> next week to start work with Becky & I (if she'll go), but wish someone

> would

> do something NOW. She can't start med coz she's struggling to swollow. Im

> trying to hide it, etc

>

> Don't know why Im posting, but cant stop worrying, & wishing they'd

> somehow

> help her to eat NOW !

>

>

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Thanks for reply

She saw a GP today, her leg aches are probably the muscles being broken down

for energy, but he looked her over & didnt mention need for ER yet so Im

gonna see what happens over weekend. will try to get med in tablet form as she

cant swollow the liquid.

Am constantly thinking of best thing to do. Hope i get it right.

Thanks again, it means a lot.

Lesley x

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Many thanks for reply, will keep you posted.

Shes about to eat some toast, but generally not doing well, so if I need to

I will take her to the hospital, but she saw a GP today-the pain in her legs

is probably her breaking down the muscle for energy, he checked her over but

didn't mention ER so I'll see over the weekend.

Thanks again,

Lesley x

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I don't know the name of it, but there is a disorder where children do not have an indicator that tells them they are "full". They will continue to eat until they literally get deathly ill. Sherridannenedrummond <dannenedrummond@...> wrote: Do children with autism know how to regulate their eating? My son is 4, weighs 37 pounds and seems to want to eat constantly. I can't figure out if it is some sort of obsessive compulsive disorder or if he is really hungry. He goes into the refrigerator all day pulling out this and that. He eats an entire thing of strawberries (those rectangle plastic containers), apple, numerous cheese sticks, numerous yogurts, along with whatever I give him for his meals. He just doesn't stop!!! Is this

something I should worry about?

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Unraveling the Mystery of Autism and Pervasive Developmental Disorder: A Mother's Story of Research and Recovery (Hardcover) by Karyn Seroussi You need to read this. Your son is craving Dairy and Phenols just from what your list was on this thread. Autistic children tend to crave foods that affect them.

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Do children with autism know how to regulate their eating? My son is 4, weighs 37 pounds and seems to want to eat constantly. I can't figure out if it is some sort of obsessive compulsive disorder or if he is really hungry. He goes into the refrigerator all day pulling out this and that. He eats an entire thing of strawberries (those rectangle plastic containers), apple, numerous cheese sticks, numerous yogurts, along with whatever I give him for his meals. He just doesn't stop!!! Is this something I should worry about?

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I've read it. My son was gfcf (and a few other things as well) for

4 months. In that time he drastically regressed and it corresponded

exactly with starting the diet. When I took him off the diet, his

improvement was dramatic. I also tried enzymes and they made him

crazy and made him do this horrible sound while pushing on his face

all day.

>

> Unraveling the Mystery of Autism and Pervasive Developmental

Disorder: A Mother's Story of Research and Recovery (Hardcover)

> by Karyn Seroussi You need to read this. Your son is craving Dairy

and Phenols just from what your list was on this thread. Autistic

children tend to crave foods that affect them.

> B.

> Mother of Jake-My Hero- 4.5 yrs. old, Diagnosed Autistic January

12, 2006 Unraveling the Mystery of Autism and Pervasive

Developmental Disorder: A Mother's Story of Research and Recovery

(Hardcover)

> by Karyn Seroussi

> I Live it, Breathe it, Sleep it, and Dream it

> eating

>

>

> Do children with autism know how to regulate their eating? My

son is

> 4, weighs 37 pounds and seems to want to eat constantly. I

can't

> figure out if it is some sort of obsessive compulsive disorder

or if

> he is really hungry. He goes into the refrigerator all day

pulling

> out this and that. He eats an entire thing of strawberries

(those

> rectangle plastic containers), apple, numerous cheese sticks,

numerous

> yogurts, along with whatever I give him for his meals. He just

> doesn't stop!!! Is this something I should worry about?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Have you done an IGG?

B. Mother of Jake-My Hero- 4.5 yrs. old, Diagnosed Autistic January 12, 2006I Live it, Breathe it, Sleep it, and Dream it

eating> > > Do children with autism know how to regulate their eating? My son is > 4, weighs 37 pounds and seems to want to eat constantly. I can't > figure out if it is some sort of obsessive compulsive disorder or if > he is really hungry. He goes into the refrigerator all day pulling > out this and that. He eats an entire thing of strawberries (those > rectangle plastic containers), apple, numerous cheese sticks, numerous > yogurts, along with whatever I give him for his meals. He just > doesn't stop!!! Is this something I should worry about? > > > > > > >

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Yes, we did an IGG and eliminated every food on the list 100

percent. We never strayed from the diet (except once he got hold of

a marshmellow and eggs was on the list!) We spent 100s of dollars

on special food. He got worse and worse. His teacher kept

complaining and saying that he was getting worse. Coby Lund also

believed it was the diet that caused his regression. The second we

started giving him normal food again he had an amazing change and

started acting a million times better!

> >

> > Unraveling the Mystery of Autism and Pervasive Developmental

> Disorder: A Mother's Story of Research and Recovery (Hardcover)

> > by Karyn Seroussi You need to read this. Your son is craving

Dairy

> and Phenols just from what your list was on this thread.

Autistic

> children tend to crave foods that affect them.

> > B.

> > Mother of Jake-My Hero- 4.5 yrs. old, Diagnosed Autistic

January

> 12, 2006 Unraveling the Mystery of Autism and Pervasive

> Developmental Disorder: A Mother's Story of Research and

Recovery

> (Hardcover)

> > by Karyn Seroussi

> > I Live it, Breathe it, Sleep it, and Dream it

> > eating

> >

> >

> > Do children with autism know how to regulate their eating?

My

> son is

> > 4, weighs 37 pounds and seems to want to eat constantly. I

> can't

> > figure out if it is some sort of obsessive compulsive

disorder

> or if

> > he is really hungry. He goes into the refrigerator all day

> pulling

> > out this and that. He eats an entire thing of strawberries

> (those

> > rectangle plastic containers), apple, numerous cheese

sticks,

> numerous

> > yogurts, along with whatever I give him for his meals. He

just

> > doesn't stop!!! Is this something I should worry about?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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OK..... I have heard of IGG's missing problems but never catching problems that are not there??? I do know children do regress from withdrawls, but never heard of regression due to needing a certain food in the diet???? And who exactly is Coby Lund?

B. Mother of Jake-My Hero- 4.5 yrs. old, Diagnosed Autistic January 12, 2006I Live it, Breathe it, Sleep it, and Dream it

eating> > > > > > Do children with autism know how to regulate their eating? My > son is > > 4, weighs 37 pounds and seems to want to eat constantly. I > can't > > figure out if it is some sort of obsessive compulsive disorder > or if > > he is really hungry. He goes into the refrigerator all day > pulling > > out this and that. He eats an entire thing of strawberries > (those > > rectangle plastic containers), apple, numerous cheese sticks, > numerous > > yogurts, along with whatever I give him for his meals. He just > > doesn't stop!!! Is this something I should worry about? > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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He was on the diet for over 4 months straight so I seriously doubt

it was still withdrawal. I may try to take out artificial colors

and flavors to see if that does anything.

Coby Lund does the ABA program for our county. He has a therapy

center in Atlanta and a lot of school systems use his services.

> > >

> > > Unraveling the Mystery of Autism and Pervasive

Developmental

> > Disorder: A Mother's Story of Research and Recovery

(Hardcover)

> > > by Karyn Seroussi You need to read this. Your son is

craving

> Dairy

> > and Phenols just from what your list was on this thread.

> Autistic

> > children tend to crave foods that affect them.

> > > B.

> > > Mother of Jake-My Hero- 4.5 yrs. old, Diagnosed Autistic

> January

> > 12, 2006 Unraveling the Mystery of Autism and

Pervasive

> > Developmental Disorder: A Mother's Story of Research and

> Recovery

> > (Hardcover)

> > > by Karyn Seroussi

> > > I Live it, Breathe it, Sleep it, and Dream it

> > > eating

> > >

> > >

> > > Do children with autism know how to regulate their

eating?

> My

> > son is

> > > 4, weighs 37 pounds and seems to want to eat

constantly. I

> > can't

> > > figure out if it is some sort of obsessive compulsive

> disorder

> > or if

> > > he is really hungry. He goes into the refrigerator all

day

> > pulling

> > > out this and that. He eats an entire thing of

strawberries

> > (those

> > > rectangle plastic containers), apple, numerous cheese

> sticks,

> > numerous

> > > yogurts, along with whatever I give him for his meals.

He

> just

> > > doesn't stop!!! Is this something I should worry

about?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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You may be right but I do know people on other boards that did have withdrawls that long and longer. I'm not trying to talk you into ANYTHING- I have no motive- I don't walk in your shoes, I walk in my own, and everyone has to do what is right for them and I totally respect what you have gone through and what you say. BUT..... I don't give a HOOT what Coby Lund thinks- especially compared to a IGG. My prayers are with you and I hope you find your answers. I KNOW nobody knows your child like you do and nobody cares more than you do. This was never intended any way other than brainstorming out of compassion and respect, but I can see this is just too touchy..... Sorry...(hugs)

B. Mother of Jake-My Hero- 4.5 yrs. old, Diagnosed Autistic January 12, 2006I Live it, Breathe it, Sleep it, and Dream it

eating> > > > > > > > > Do children with autism know how to regulate their eating? > My > > son is > > > 4, weighs 37 pounds and seems to want to eat constantly. I > > can't > > > figure out if it is some sort of obsessive compulsive > disorder > > or if > > > he is really hungry. He goes into the refrigerator all day > > pulling > > > out this and that. He eats an entire thing of strawberries > > (those > > > rectangle plastic containers), apple, numerous cheese > sticks, > > numerous > > > yogurts, along with whatever I give him for his meals. He > just > > > doesn't stop!!! Is this something I should worry about? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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It could be a side effect of his medication, some medications, such as Zyprexa, take away their ability to control their appetite. Marilyn Pylesdannenedrummond <dannenedrummond@...> wrote: Do children with autism know how to regulate their eating? My son is 4, weighs 37 pounds and seems to want to eat constantly. I can't figure out if it is some sort of obsessive compulsive disorder or if he is really hungry. He goes into the refrigerator all day pulling out this and that. He eats an entire thing of strawberries (those rectangle plastic containers), apple, numerous cheese sticks, numerous yogurts, along with whatever I give him for his meals. He just doesn't stop!!! Is this something I should worry about?

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It could be a side effect of his medication, some medications, such as Zyprexa, take away their ability to control their appetite. Marilyn Pylesdannenedrummond <dannenedrummond@...> wrote: Do children with autism know how to regulate their eating? My son is 4, weighs 37 pounds and seems to want to eat constantly. I can't figure out if it is some sort of obsessive compulsive disorder or if he is really hungry. He goes into the refrigerator all day pulling out this and that. He eats an entire thing of strawberries (those rectangle plastic containers), apple, numerous cheese sticks, numerous yogurts, along with whatever I give him for his meals. He just doesn't stop!!! Is this something I should worry about?

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He isn't on any of those type medications. The only one he takes is

claritin.

> Do children with autism know how to regulate their eating? My

son is

> 4, weighs 37 pounds and seems to want to eat constantly. I can't

> figure out if it is some sort of obsessive compulsive disorder or

if

> he is really hungry. He goes into the refrigerator all day

pulling

> out this and that. He eats an entire thing of strawberries (those

> rectangle plastic containers), apple, numerous cheese sticks,

numerous

> yogurts, along with whatever I give him for his meals. He just

> doesn't stop!!! Is this something I should worry about?

>

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He isn't on any of those type medications. The only one he takes is

claritin.

> Do children with autism know how to regulate their eating? My

son is

> 4, weighs 37 pounds and seems to want to eat constantly. I can't

> figure out if it is some sort of obsessive compulsive disorder or

if

> he is really hungry. He goes into the refrigerator all day

pulling

> out this and that. He eats an entire thing of strawberries (those

> rectangle plastic containers), apple, numerous cheese sticks,

numerous

> yogurts, along with whatever I give him for his meals. He just

> doesn't stop!!! Is this something I should worry about?

>

>

>

>

>

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Are you thinking of Prader Willy Syndrome (sp?)

Kirsty.

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I don't know the name of it, but there is a disorder where children do not have an indicator that tells them they are "full". They will continue to eat until they literally get deathly ill.

Sherridannenedrummond <dannenedrummond@...> wrote:

Do children with autism know how to regulate their eating? My son is 4, weighs 37 pounds and seems to want to eat constantly. I can't figure out if it is some sort of obsessive compulsive disorder or if he is really hungry. He goes into the refrigerator all day pulling out this and that. He eats an entire thing of strawberries (those rectangle plastic containers), apple, numerous cheese sticks, numerous yogurts, along with whatever I give him for his meals. He just doesn't stop!!! Is this something I should worry about?

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Are you thinking of Prader Willy Syndrome (sp?)

Kirsty.

Re: eating

I don't know the name of it, but there is a disorder where children do not have an indicator that tells them they are "full". They will continue to eat until they literally get deathly ill.

Sherridannenedrummond <dannenedrummond@...> wrote:

Do children with autism know how to regulate their eating? My son is 4, weighs 37 pounds and seems to want to eat constantly. I can't figure out if it is some sort of obsessive compulsive disorder or if he is really hungry. He goes into the refrigerator all day pulling out this and that. He eats an entire thing of strawberries (those rectangle plastic containers), apple, numerous cheese sticks, numerous yogurts, along with whatever I give him for his meals. He just doesn't stop!!! Is this something I should worry about?

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Yes, that's it.Kirsty MacIver <kirstymaciver@...> wrote: Are you thinking of Prader Willy Syndrome (sp?) Kirsty. Re: eating I don't know the name of it, but there is a disorder where children do not have an indicator that tells them they are "full". They will continue to eat until they literally get deathly ill. Sherridannenedrummond <dannenedrummond@...> wrote: Do children with autism know how to regulate their eating? My son is 4, weighs 37 pounds and seems to want to eat constantly. I can't figure out if it is some sort of obsessive compulsive disorder or if he is really

hungry. He goes into the refrigerator all day pulling out this and that. He eats an entire thing of strawberries (those rectangle plastic containers), apple, numerous cheese sticks, numerous yogurts, along with whatever I give him for his meals. He just doesn't stop!!! Is this something I should worry about?

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Yes, that's it.Kirsty MacIver <kirstymaciver@...> wrote: Are you thinking of Prader Willy Syndrome (sp?) Kirsty. Re: eating I don't know the name of it, but there is a disorder where children do not have an indicator that tells them they are "full". They will continue to eat until they literally get deathly ill. Sherridannenedrummond <dannenedrummond@...> wrote: Do children with autism know how to regulate their eating? My son is 4, weighs 37 pounds and seems to want to eat constantly. I can't figure out if it is some sort of obsessive compulsive disorder or if he is really

hungry. He goes into the refrigerator all day pulling out this and that. He eats an entire thing of strawberries (those rectangle plastic containers), apple, numerous cheese sticks, numerous yogurts, along with whatever I give him for his meals. He just doesn't stop!!! Is this something I should worry about?

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My son does the same thing.Sometimes I think he is starving or thinks

he is starving. I hate to monitor all that he eats, but I have to.

In autism , derek heard <dheard73@...> wrote:

>

> My son weighs 44 lbs and will eat all day if you let him. He

randomly throughout the day will ask for everything under the son. I

have to control him or he would get out of control. will eat

until he is ill. He is VERY active and tall for his age so it all

kind of balances out. He is not overweight and I try to keep him busy

and his mind off food. But if he sees someone eating something he

likes, he will try to eat all day long. He does not know his limits.

>

>

>

>

> dannenedrummond <dannenedrummond@...> wrote:

> He isn't on any of those type medications. The only one he takes

is

> claritin.

>

> > Do children with autism know how to regulate their eating? My

> son is

> > 4, weighs 37 pounds and seems to want to eat constantly. I can't

> > figure out if it is some sort of obsessive compulsive disorder or

> if

> > he is really hungry. He goes into the refrigerator all day

> pulling

> > out this and that. He eats an entire thing of strawberries

(those

> > rectangle plastic containers), apple, numerous cheese sticks,

> numerous

> > yogurts, along with whatever I give him for his meals. He just

> > doesn't stop!!! Is this something I should worry about?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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My son does the same thing.Sometimes I think he is starving or thinks

he is starving. I hate to monitor all that he eats, but I have to.

In autism , derek heard <dheard73@...> wrote:

>

> My son weighs 44 lbs and will eat all day if you let him. He

randomly throughout the day will ask for everything under the son. I

have to control him or he would get out of control. will eat

until he is ill. He is VERY active and tall for his age so it all

kind of balances out. He is not overweight and I try to keep him busy

and his mind off food. But if he sees someone eating something he

likes, he will try to eat all day long. He does not know his limits.

>

>

>

>

> dannenedrummond <dannenedrummond@...> wrote:

> He isn't on any of those type medications. The only one he takes

is

> claritin.

>

> > Do children with autism know how to regulate their eating? My

> son is

> > 4, weighs 37 pounds and seems to want to eat constantly. I can't

> > figure out if it is some sort of obsessive compulsive disorder or

> if

> > he is really hungry. He goes into the refrigerator all day

> pulling

> > out this and that. He eats an entire thing of strawberries

(those

> > rectangle plastic containers), apple, numerous cheese sticks,

> numerous

> > yogurts, along with whatever I give him for his meals. He just

> > doesn't stop!!! Is this something I should worry about?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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i wondered if that was the case for zach too. he;s skinny too

though so i had some doubts

> > Do children with autism know how to regulate their eating? My

> son is

> > 4, weighs 37 pounds and seems to want to eat constantly. I

can't

> > figure out if it is some sort of obsessive compulsive disorder

or

> if

> > he is really hungry. He goes into the refrigerator all day

> pulling

> > out this and that. He eats an entire thing of strawberries

(those

> > rectangle plastic containers), apple, numerous cheese sticks,

> numerous

> > yogurts, along with whatever I give him for his meals. He just

> > doesn't stop!!! Is this something I should worry about?

> >

> >

> >

> >

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i wondered if that was the case for zach too. he;s skinny too

though so i had some doubts

> > Do children with autism know how to regulate their eating? My

> son is

> > 4, weighs 37 pounds and seems to want to eat constantly. I

can't

> > figure out if it is some sort of obsessive compulsive disorder

or

> if

> > he is really hungry. He goes into the refrigerator all day

> pulling

> > out this and that. He eats an entire thing of strawberries

(those

> > rectangle plastic containers), apple, numerous cheese sticks,

> numerous

> > yogurts, along with whatever I give him for his meals. He just

> > doesn't stop!!! Is this something I should worry about?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Hi Tami,

My son also had/has issues eating.For years he only ate turkey bacon,maybe some

chips.No meat,veggies,or fruit.We had to give him the #3 baby food with

meat,veggies,fruit so he could get his nutrition along with drinking

Pediasure.He slowly,started to integrate other foods and textures into his

diet.I really believe it is a visual and tactile sensory issue.Certain smells or

textures were appealing to him and certain textures in his mouth made him gag.We

used to feed him with a 20cc syringe ,blended instant potatoes and veggies and

we had to slowly " integrate " his mouth so he could learn to control different

textures in his mouth.

One day 2yrs ago I came home with chicken parmesean from a local italian place

and as usual I showed him what I had and asked if he wanted to try it.He did.It

started with the smallest piece and graduated to full bites...he ate the whole

thing! Lately,his eating habits have changed again he only wants doritos and

pizza.So,over the years we've ,well my mother,has created " supplements " for him

that are made up of instant cereal w/fresh fruit ,veggies,protein mix and other

combinations.We give this to him when he's not eating very " healthy " so that

really cuts down on my " stress " of him eating junk food.He goes through phases

of what he will tolerate and I've learned that it just goes with the territory.

Hope this helps,

Stacey

From: tami schaff <tamischaff11@...>

Date: 2006/07/21 Fri AM 10:00:35 CDT

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Subject: Eating

I have been having trouble getting my son to eat.  I know this is a problem with

children that are not autistic, but certain foods seem to make him want to vomit

- my cooking is not that bad.  :)  Anyway, does anyone have any suggestions? 

Should I go to nutritionalist, check for digestive disorders?  I do not do the

gluten free diet only because I have no idea how to tackle that - seems too time

consuming and don't know if it will make a big difference.

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Hi, Tami!

Our 4yo boy is also a very picky eater. He never had a problem

throwing up (except when he was a baby and would couldn't burb him or

his would spit up), but he has ALWAYS had a problem with very loose

and very foul smelling stools (sorry folks!).

We did put him on a gfcf diet for about 4 months. I will say that his

loose stools ceased almost immediately upon removing casein from his

diet. The diet was a lot of work but I would still have him on it if

it weren't for the fact that he started eating fewer and fewer

things.

He is still, however, casein-free. You might want to try removing all

casein/dairy from your son's diet. My little guys sucks down Rice

milk, Almond milk, and Hazelnut milk like there's no tomorrow. No, he

doesn't a couple of the get things that he really loves (like mac &

cheese, or just cheese), but there has to be a trade off somewhere.

I do plan on trying the gluten-free diet again at a later when when

he will (hopefully) start eating more of a variety of food and then

maybe it will go better.

If you have any questions about gfcf diet, please feel free to email

me at beedo4me@....

Now, having said all of that.... Have you ever tried to give your son

a smoothie? I've had wonderful success in getting all kinds of sneaky

things in my son via a smoothie. Here are some examples:

Smoothie Example #1:

Apple Juice

Steamed Carrots

Cod Liver Oil

Vanilla casein-free milk

Smoothie Example #2:

Cranberry Juice

Fresh Spinach

Frozen Strawberries

Vanilla casein-free milk

Smoothie Example #3:

Grape Juice

Canned Beets

Frozen Triple Berry Blend

Cod Liver Oil

Vanilla casein-free milk

You get the idea.

I also still feed him Stage 3 veggie baby food mixed with Stage 2

meat baby food. Thankfully he has always liked that and thankfully,

also, he does like some fruits.

Other than that, he gets most of his protein from peanut butter and

chicken nuggets because he still won't eat anything else.

Here is a site that may be helpful to you:

http://www.glutensolutions.com/autism.htm

Hope this helps.

Kathy

Snip --- I have been having trouble getting my son to eat. I know

this is a problem with children that are not autistic, but certain

foods seem to make him want to vomit - my cooking is not that

bad. :) Anyway, does anyone have any suggestions? Should I go to

nutritionalist, check for digestive disorders? I do not do the

gluten free diet only because I have no idea how to tackle that -

seems too time consuming and don't know if it will make a big

difference.

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