Re: Question about threshold

[Guest guest]

This is my understanding about threshold levels: the implant is designed to

capture soft sounds and bring them to the point at which we can detect them.

Maybe because of our hearing loss we cannot detect sounds as low/soft as our

normal hearing counterparts? Not sure. If the threshold level is set too low

then we wouldn't hear those sounds because the implant is not bringing them to

where WE can hear them.

[Guest guest]

IF YOU DON'T KNOW, SAY YOUR NOT SURE....OR DON'T KNOW...DON'T CHEAT, YOU ARE

ONLY CHEATING YOURSELF AND YOUR MAPPING. THERE IS NO RIGHT OR WRONG IN THESE

MAPPINGS...THEY ARE DESIGNED TO BENEFIT THE CLIENT. TRY IT AND LET US KNOW

HOW IT GOES.

M.

[Guest guest]

Racheal,

Personally, I think you would do better to let your ear pick up the

beeps, even if its not a certain thing. Yes its frustrating when you are

not sure you really heard it. But you want your brain to learn to pick up

sound. Try it next time by not looking at the screen.

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[Guest guest]

Ummm M I think you have the wrong end of the stick.

Let's get it clear - I'm not " cheating " . It was my audiologist's suggestion

that I look at the screen and I was simply following her guidance. She and

the Cochlear rep know exactly what is happening.

Please choose your words carefully in order to avoid offence.

Severe/profoundly deaf since birth

Lost residual hearing October 2005

Approved for CI March 2006

Surgery 9th June 2006

Activation 29th June 2006

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Sent: Saturday, 22 July 2006 10:07 AM

Subject: Re: Question about threshold

IF YOU DON'T KNOW, SAY YOUR NOT SURE....OR DON'T KNOW...DON'T CHEAT, YOU ARE

ONLY CHEATING YOURSELF AND YOUR MAPPING. THERE IS NO RIGHT OR WRONG IN THESE

MAPPINGS...THEY ARE DESIGNED TO BENEFIT THE CLIENT. TRY IT AND LET US KNOW

HOW IT GOES.

M.

[Guest guest]

Hello , its my choice that I always look away during the

mapping sessions. I purposely dont look at the screen when the

audiologist is doing the mapping. I want the maps to be an accurate

account of what I am hearing at that time and I dont want the audi to

telegraph any moves and I dont want to pre-empt any, either. Other

people might need to look at the screen for some reason, in my case,

I dont. I will start to take more interest, now that I am going to

have bigger gaps between mapping.

I wouldnt have thought your audiologist should be setting the

thresholds lower than the sounds you can actually hear at the time.

The initial maps arent so critical, because you will be mapped more

often. Just get them as close as you can at the time. I'm not an

expert but I would have thought that the mapping sessions should be

based on what you can hear on that day. As you get to hear more, your

tinnitus might have abated too and that will also make a difference.

When I had the bad tinnitus, I did find it to be a PITA on occasions,

because the tinnitus sounds were on similar levels to some of the

beeps.

Ted F.

>

> Hi all,

>

> What would happen if the audiologist when mapping sets the

> threshold for the electrodes lower than the softest sound you can

> hear? Why do they stop right at the softest sound rather than

> yanking it right down to the lowest level possible?

>

> The reason I'm asking is because since I have tinnitus I look at

> the screen for the flashing light so that I can identify which

> sound the beep is. However I don't think for a lot of those soft

> sounds they would actually register if I was facing another way.

> Is that a bad thing? It is only when I'm looking at the screen

> that I can actually pick out the sound. I'm wondering if I am

> going lower than my brain is ready to work with?

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Ted! Even though it was my audie's idea for me to look at the screen

while doing the test I do feel unhappy with doing it that way because even

though I am able to identify a sound together with the flashing on the

screen I feel that the noise should somehow register in my brain by itself

without visual clues.

My tinnitus is still quite loud sometimes although it has generally improved

so it would be tricky but I think that going more slowly and steadily might

work better for me. It's not that I'm unhappy with what I am hearing but I

do have a background static/motor type sound and I'm wondering if it's

caused by setting the threshold too low than my brain can cope with at this

stage. It does seem to have improved since when I was first switched on

though.

So next time I go to my mapping in 2 weeks I will ask if I can do it the

blind way.

Thanks again,

Severe/profoundly deaf since birth

Lost residual hearing October 2005

Approved for CI March 2006

Surgery 9th June 2006

Activation 29th June 2006

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Ted F.

Sent: Saturday, 22 July 2006 4:14 PM

Subject: Re: Question about threshold

Hello , its my choice that I always look away during the

mapping sessions. I purposely dont look at the screen when the

audiologist is doing the mapping. I want the maps to be an accurate

account of what I am hearing at that time and I dont want the audi to

telegraph any moves and I dont want to pre-empt any, either. Other

people might need to look at the screen for some reason, in my case,

I dont. I will start to take more interest, now that I am going to

have bigger gaps between mapping.

I wouldnt have thought your audiologist should be setting the

thresholds lower than the sounds you can actually hear at the time.

The initial maps arent so critical, because you will be mapped more

often. Just get them as close as you can at the time. I'm not an

expert but I would have thought that the mapping sessions should be

based on what you can hear on that day. As you get to hear more, your

tinnitus might have abated too and that will also make a difference.

When I had the bad tinnitus, I did find it to be a PITA on occasions,

because the tinnitus sounds were on similar levels to some of the

beeps.

Ted F.

>

> Hi all,

>

> What would happen if the audiologist when mapping sets the

> threshold for the electrodes lower than the softest sound you can

> hear? Why do they stop right at the softest sound rather than

> yanking it right down to the lowest level possible?

>

> The reason I'm asking is because since I have tinnitus I look at

> the screen for the flashing light so that I can identify which

> sound the beep is. However I don't think for a lot of those soft

> sounds they would actually register if I was facing another way.

> Is that a bad thing? It is only when I'm looking at the screen

> that I can actually pick out the sound. I'm wondering if I am

> going lower than my brain is ready to work with?

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi, ,

I, too, have a problem with tinnitis. It is a real problem when I go

for mappings. I have asked my audi to start by going to a mid level sound he

knows I will hear and let me hear the beeps. This reminds me what to listen

for, and differenciates the sound from my tinnitis immediately preceding

mapping.

Then I look away from the screen and we proceed. Seems to work. Hope it

does for you.

) Jackie

[Guest guest]

I too have tinnitus and it seems to rear its head in a

big way during mapping. My audie never has me watch

the screen during the process. I do look at it

afterward, and we discuss my Ts and Cs at the end of

the process. When I tell him I'm struggling to sort

out the mapping sounds from the tinnitus, he just

tells me to take my time, and we repeat a cycle when I

really feel uncertain.

Deb

--- and Davies

<prdavies@...> wrote:

> Thanks Ted! Even though it was my audie's idea for

> me to look at the screen

> while doing the test I do feel unhappy with doing it

> that way because even

> though I am able to identify a sound together with

> the flashing on the

> screen I feel that the noise should somehow register

> in my brain by itself

> without visual clues.

>

>

>

> My tinnitus is still quite loud sometimes although

> it has generally improved

> so it would be tricky but I think that going more

> slowly and steadily might

> work better for me. It's not that I'm unhappy with

> what I am hearing but I

> do have a background static/motor type sound and I'm

> wondering if it's

> caused by setting the threshold too low than my

> brain can cope with at this

> stage. It does seem to have improved since when I

> was first switched on

> though.

>

>

>

> So next time I go to my mapping in 2 weeks I will

> ask if I can do it the

> blind way.

>

>

>

> Thanks again,

>

>

>

>

>

> Severe/profoundly deaf since birth

>

> Lost residual hearing October 2005

>

> Approved for CI March 2006

>

> Surgery 9th June 2006

>

> Activation 29th June 2006

>

> _____

>

> From:

> [mailto: ] On Behalf Of

> Ted F.

> Sent: Saturday, 22 July 2006 4:14 PM

>

> Subject: Re: Question about threshold

>

>

>

> Hello , its my choice that I always look away

> during the

> mapping sessions. I purposely dont look at the

> screen when the

> audiologist is doing the mapping. I want the maps to

> be an accurate

> account of what I am hearing at that time and I dont

> want the audi to

> telegraph any moves and I dont want to pre-empt any,

> either. Other

> people might need to look at the screen for some

> reason, in my case,

> I dont. I will start to take more interest, now that

> I am going to

> have bigger gaps between mapping.

>

> I wouldnt have thought your audiologist should be

> setting the

> thresholds lower than the sounds you can actually

> hear at the time.

> The initial maps arent so critical, because you will

> be mapped more

> often. Just get them as close as you can at the

> time. I'm not an

> expert but I would have thought that the mapping

> sessions should be

> based on what you can hear on that day. As you get

> to hear more, your

> tinnitus might have abated too and that will also

> make a difference.

>

> When I had the bad tinnitus, I did find it to be a

> PITA on occasions,

> because the tinnitus sounds were on similar levels

> to some of the

> beeps.

>

> Ted F.

>

>

> >

> > Hi all,

> >

> > What would happen if the audiologist when mapping

> sets the

> > threshold for the electrodes lower than the

> softest sound you can

> > hear? Why do they stop right at the softest sound

> rather than

> > yanking it right down to the lowest level

> possible?

> >

> > The reason I'm asking is because since I have

> tinnitus I look at

> > the screen for the flashing light so that I can

> identify which

> > sound the beep is. However I don't think for a lot

> of those soft

> > sounds they would actually register if I was

> facing another way.

> > Is that a bad thing? It is only when I'm looking

> at the screen

> > that I can actually pick out the sound. I'm

> wondering if I am

> > going lower than my brain is ready to work with?

>

> >

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Someone previously mentioned a helpful tip for those with tinnitus during

the settings the T's and C's is to have longer beeps.

y

[Guest guest]

Sorry, meant no offense, just expressed that it would be best not to look,

but if your audiologit said to look, " what do I know " I'm still struggling

trying to hear with the cochlear processor.

M.

[Guest guest]

I too sometimes have a hard time picking out the sound when she is setting my

soft sounds. What my audie started doing for me was she set it so the sound

beeps three times and then it is easier to identify/pick out from the tinnitus

because there is almost like a beat (as in heart beat or music beat) and make

the sound easier to hear and decipher. She started doing this after my first

few mappings and I find it very helpful.

Hope I explained it correctly. If you have any questions please let me know.

Connie

and Davies <prdavies@...> wrote:

Hi all,

What would happen if the audiologist when mapping sets the threshold for the

electrodes lower than the softest sound you can hear? Why do they stop

right at the softest sound rather than yanking it right down to the lowest

level possible?

The reason I'm asking is because since I have tinnitus I look at the screen

for the flashing light so that I can identify which sound the beep is.

However I don't think for a lot of those soft sounds they would actually

register if I was facing another way. Is that a bad thing? It is only when

I'm looking at the screen that I can actually pick out the sound. I'm

wondering if I am going lower than my brain is ready to work with?

Severe/profoundly deaf since birth

Lost residual hearing October 2005

Approved for CI March 2006

Surgery 9th June 2006

Activation 29th June 2006

[Guest guest]

,

I also had difficulty hearing softer sounds in the early stages of the

mapping process, so my audi made it a practice of playing three beeps that

were loud enough for me to hear and then slowly decreasing them until I

reached my softest C levels. Perhaps your audi could try this to make it

easier for you to pick up those softer sounds you aren't hearing. Hope this

helps!

Left ear - Nucleus 24 Contour Advance with 3G

Implanted: 12/22/04 Activated: 1/18/05

Right ear - Nucleus Freedom

Implanted: 2/1/06 Activated: 3/1/06

[Guest guest]

,

As someone who does all of her mappings " the blind way, " (being that I am

blind and cannot see the computer screen) I can honestly tell you that it

works! <big smile> Please let us know if the suggestions here on list have

helped! I know how annoying tinnitus can be...I had awful tinnitus following

my CI surgery, but fortunately it disappeared following my activation.

Left ear - Nucleus 24 Contour Advance with 3G

Implanted: 12/22/04 Activated: 1/18/05

Right ear - Nucleus Freedom

Implanted: 2/1/06 Activated: 3/1/06

[Guest guest]

Thats the way mine has always been done, I thought it must be the norm.

Ted F.

>

> ,

>

> I also had difficulty hearing softer sounds in the early stages of

> the mapping process, so my audi made it a practice of playing three

> beeps that were loud enough for me to hear and then slowly

> decreasing them until I reached my softest C levels.

[Guest guest]

Ted,

I'm not sure... Perhaps this is something that varies from audi to audi. I

know mine started out having me listen to three beep tones and when I

couldn't differentiate among them (i.e. identify whether I was hearing a

soft or medium beep tone), that's when she suggested we raise my T levels

(which is what I meant to type in my last message) and work our way down

from there.

Left ear - Nucleus 24 Contour Advance with 3G

Implanted: 12/22/04 Activated: 1/18/05

Right ear - Nucleus Freedom

Implanted: 2/1/06 Activated: 3/1/06

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I don't see anything wrong with using flashing lights to show what the

sounds are, especially with tinnitus. Because I believe most of the

sound is going to be somewhere in the middle (between Threshold and

Comfort levels) anyway. So it doesn't hurt to use a visual cue to see

what you are hearing. And then your dynamic range will be wider.

Often with tinnitus, you have no clue what you are listening for, and

your audi gave you good advice to look at the flashing light on the

meter. When I do research I have to set T & C levels for various mapping

strategies. Monopolar, bipolar, etc. And it takes HOURS to do this.

They always start at the lowest, and you increase the volume for each,

until you hear the threshold. Once you set that, you go back and go for

the Comfort level on each electrode.

I've done this countless times. Sure wish I had a flashing light for

that!!

Hi all,

What would happen if the audiologist when mapping sets the threshold for

the

electrodes lower than the softest sound you can hear? Why do they stop

right at the softest sound rather than yanking it right down to the

lowest

level possible?

The reason I'm asking is because since I have tinnitus I look at the

screen

for the flashing light so that I can identify which sound the beep is.

However I don't think for a lot of those soft sounds they would actually

register if I was facing another way. Is that a bad thing? It is only

when

I'm looking at the screen that I can actually pick out the sound. I'm

wondering if I am going lower than my brain is ready to work with?