Re: Volume/Sensitivity

November 10, 2006

What does it mean when the audie sets the default?

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On Nov 10, 2006, at 7:59 AM, Ted F. wrote:

> How would that work, Connie? If it was set on 7, would I still be

> able to have it as loud as I wanted when I left the office? If so, it

> sounds along similar lines to what I was going to try. To get the

> volume set a bit too loud for me, then turn it down to about 7.

>

> I've had a bit f fun playing with the sensittivity settings, I was

> looking forward to the same with the volume. I'm easily amused :-).

>

> Ted F.

>

> > >

> > > Hi Ted,

> > >

> > > The volume only goes up to 9. As far as sensitivity is concerned,

> I

> > > believe the default setting is 12, but can go as high as 20.

> > >

> > > My audi thought it would be easier if I had my Freedom locked to

> > the volume

> > > default so that I wouldn't have to worry about accidentally

> > changing any

> > > settings. Now that I'm comfortable with all of the controls, I'm

> > anxious to

> > > see how the ability to change volume and sensitivity affects my

> > hearing.

> > >

> > > I'm glad you found a setting which makes your CD player pleasant

> to

> > listen

> > > to. It can be annoying listening to music when it doesn't

> > sound " right. "

> > >

> > > When I could still hear well with HAs, I used a 12 band equalizer

> > with my

> > > late 70's/early 80's component stereo and was constantly fiddling

> > with it in

> > > order to make my music sound better. Now that I have my CIs, I'm

> > starting to

> > > do the same thing all over again. <grin> Music sounds *wonderful*

> > with my

> > > CIs, but being the audiophile that I am, old habits die hard. LOL!

> > >

> > > I'm still using the same component stereo and 12 band equalizer

> > after all

> > > these years, but I'm dying to find out what 5.1 channels sounds

> > like. I know

> > > I'm missing out big time, but unfortunately, I don't have the

> money

> > to spend

> > > on a new stereo system.

> > >

> > > Something I'm curious to know is if a lower sensitivity setting

> > helps make

> > > music sound smoother. Music sounds fantastic with my volume

> default

> > set to

> > > 9, but I wonder if it's possible to receive more " bass " (lower

> > tones)

> > > quality by adjusting sensitivity?

> > >

> > > Left ear - Nucleus 24 Contour Advance with 3G

> > > Implanted: 12/22/04 Activated: 1/18/05

> > >

> > > Right ear - Nucleus Freedom

> > > Implanted: 2/1/06 Activated: 3/1/06

> > >

> >

> > " The Miracle at Ohio State "

> > aka Nucleus Freedom

> > Implanted 10/04/2005

> > Activated 11/1/2005

> > Surgery: Ohio State University

> > Surgeon: Dr. Bradley Welling

> > http://internalmedicine.osu.edu/article.cfm?ID=2021

> >

November 10, 2006

Ted,

When my audie increases the Ts and Cs, the volume is increased. He typically

set a comfortable volume at 5, so I have some volume to work with, gradually

increasing as the volume becomes soft to me.

November 10, 2006

Ok let me see if I can explain it better. When you go the audie and she/he

determines your T & C levels that is your program so to speak. The audie then

takes those levels and dumps them into your processor and when you turn it on

(assuming you haven't changed any thing) your processor will be using those T &

C levels. So what happens is those T & C levels can be any number from 1-9 on

volume. Most apparently are using 9 for those levels but in reality there is no

reason why they couldn't be 1 (may not be practical but no reason they can't

be). Apparently some where along the line someone decided that people should

only be able to turn it up and not down.

So basically my T & C levels as per my last mapping are at the appropriate

level when my volume is set at 7 and sensitivity at 12.

It really is harder to explain than have done. If it is still not clear maybe

I can try again.

Connie

" Ted F. " <ted.fletcher@...> wrote:

How would that work, Connie? If it was set on 7, would I still be

able to have it as loud as I wanted when I left the office? If so, it

sounds along similar lines to what I was going to try. To get the

volume set a bit too loud for me, then turn it down to about 7.

I've had a bit f fun playing with the sensittivity settings, I was

looking forward to the same with the volume. I'm easily amused :-).

Ted F.

> >

> > Hi Ted,

> >

> > The volume only goes up to 9. As far as sensitivity is concerned,

I

> > believe the default setting is 12, but can go as high as 20.

> >

> > My audi thought it would be easier if I had my Freedom locked to

> the volume

> > default so that I wouldn't have to worry about accidentally

> changing any

> > settings. Now that I'm comfortable with all of the controls, I'm

> anxious to

> > see how the ability to change volume and sensitivity affects my

> hearing.

> >

> > I'm glad you found a setting which makes your CD player pleasant

to

> listen

> > to. It can be annoying listening to music when it doesn't

> sound " right. "

> >

> > When I could still hear well with HAs, I used a 12 band equalizer

> with my

> > late 70's/early 80's component stereo and was constantly fiddling

> with it in

> > order to make my music sound better. Now that I have my CIs, I'm

> starting to

> > do the same thing all over again. <grin> Music sounds *wonderful*

> with my

> > CIs, but being the audiophile that I am, old habits die hard. LOL!

> >

> > I'm still using the same component stereo and 12 band equalizer

> after all

> > these years, but I'm dying to find out what 5.1 channels sounds

> like. I know

> > I'm missing out big time, but unfortunately, I don't have the

money

> to spend

> > on a new stereo system.

> >

> > Something I'm curious to know is if a lower sensitivity setting

> helps make

> > music sound smoother. Music sounds fantastic with my volume

default

> set to

> > 9, but I wonder if it's possible to receive more " bass " (lower

> tones)

> > quality by adjusting sensitivity?

> >

> > Left ear - Nucleus 24 Contour Advance with 3G

> > Implanted: 12/22/04 Activated: 1/18/05

> >

> > Right ear - Nucleus Freedom

> > Implanted: 2/1/06 Activated: 3/1/06

> >

>

> " The Miracle at Ohio State "

> aka Nucleus Freedom

> Implanted 10/04/2005

> Activated 11/1/2005

> Surgery: Ohio State University

> Surgeon: Dr. Bradley Welling

> http://internalmedicine.osu.edu/article.cfm?ID=2021

>

November 10, 2006

Ted you can always ask your audie to put your old favorite program in one of the

slots as a back up. I did this several times during my first 6 months.

Connie

" Ted F. " <ted.fletcher@...> wrote:

Thanks, Carol. Some of these things are starting to sound like trial

and error. I definately want to be able to turn the volume up if

required. The thing that worries me, is that this map is very good

now and I dont want to do anything that might stuff it up. Is this

possible? Can one stuff up a " good " map at a mapping session? I know

its quite normal for ones brain to take a couple of days to adjust to

some new maps.

When I get mapped next week, I will probably go three months until

the next appointment. I havent felt comfortable about going too long

in between visits, in case anything goes amiss. There will have been

5 weeks since my last mapping, when I go next week. I have been

activated for just over 6 months now.

Ted F.

>

> Ted, with my 3G, I have had my audi set my maps while the volume is

on 4 -4 1/2 so I have room to turn it down if I need to and also have

room to turn it up. Now that I am comfortable with my Freedom

(newest ear implanted) I will have her do the same with that one.

Although I don't have a great deal of tolerance for sound yet in my

newly implanted ear, I do like the freedom to be flexible enough to

have the ability to control the volume.

> Happy Hearing!

> Carol

> Boca Raton, FL

> N24C 3G left ear -12/11/01

> N Freedom- right ear- implanted 3/01/06 activated 4/6/06

>

" The Miracle at Ohio State "

aka Nucleus Freedom

Implanted 10/04/2005

Activated 11/1/2005

Surgery: Ohio State University

Surgeon: Dr. Bradley Welling

http://internalmedicine.osu.edu/article.cfm?ID=2021

November 10, 2006

Ted,

Although there are numbers for Comfort and Threshold levels, no audie ever

bothers to give those out. If I remember this thread correctly, you are

referring to frequency (Hz)? If you ask your audie for a copy of your map the

next time you go, you can see the Hz of all the sounds your implant is

delivering

and also see how they are allocated to each electrode. You can also see your

maxima, stim rate, and other stuff I can't remember. Now all this is true if

the hard copy still looks like it did years ago; I haven't asked for a copy

of my map in ages.

In a message dated 11/10/2006 8:31:43 PM Eastern Standard Time,

ted.fletcher@... writes:

,

I still dont understand those comfort and threshold settings that they

do. I have never heard numbers mentioned, my audi usually shows me a

chart and asks where on the chart I reckon the comfort level is. Is

this the time I should make it higher if I want it louder, so that I

can turn it down to about 7 before I leave the office?

Ted F.

November 10, 2006

Haha, you never know, facial tics might improve my look :-)

Ted F.

>

> Thats a bummer about the volume only going to 9. If I am in a

> situation where I would prefer things a bit louder, I would like to

> be able to turn it up.

>

November 10, 2006

,

I still dont understand those comfort and threshold settings that they

do. I have never heard numbers mentioned, my audi usually shows me a

chart and asks where on the chart I reckon the comfort level is. Is

this the time I should make it higher if I want it louder, so that I

can turn it down to about 7 before I leave the office?

Ted F.

>

> Ted,

> When my audie increases the Ts and Cs, the volume is increased. He

> typically set a comfortable volume at 5, so I have some volume to

> work with, gradually increasing as the volume becomes soft to me.

>

November 10, 2006

Is this when she plays the three beeps and you have to say whether

either the second and third ones are louder or quieter than the first

beep?

Ted F.

> How would that work, Connie? If it was set on 7, would I

still be

> able to have it as loud as I wanted when I left the office? If so,

it

> sounds along similar lines to what I was going to try. To get the

> volume set a bit too loud for me, then turn it down to about 7.

>

> I've had a bit f fun playing with the sensittivity settings, I was

> looking forward to the same with the volume. I'm easily amused :-).

>

> Ted F.

>

November 10, 2006

I did that for the first couple of months, Connie. Then when I found

a map I liked, I had all the bells and whistles put back on. I take

it from your response, that one CAN stuff up a good map, then?

Now that I know that I can adjust the sensitivity, I would probably

sacrifice the auto-sensitivity programme at this time, because I am

even using ADRO inside the car now, with the sensitivity turned down.

I am keen to try out the Beam programme again now, with my new found

knowledge ;-). Beam is the situation where I would like to be able to

turn the volume up more, after turning the sensitivity right down.

Ted F.

> Thanks, Carol. Some of these things are starting to sound

like trial

> and error. I definately want to be able to turn the volume up if

> required. The thing that worries me, is that this map is very good

> now and I dont want to do anything that might stuff it up. Is this

> possible? Can one stuff up a " good " map at a mapping session? I

know

> its quite normal for ones brain to take a couple of days to adjust

to

> some new maps.

>

> When I get mapped next week, I will probably go three months until

> the next appointment. I havent felt comfortable about going too

long

> in between visits, in case anything goes amiss. There will have

been

> 5 weeks since my last mapping, when I go next week. I have been

> activated for just over 6 months now.

>

> Ted F.

>

November 10, 2006

Ted, I obviously know nothing about the Freedom but it sounds as though you

have a " volume control " and that your audie has been setting loudness

thresholds when you have the control at maximum. If that is the case it

would seem prudent to have the control set at midrange, whatever number that

is when the threshold is set at comfort level. You could go both up and

down from there depending upon the situation. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding

the whole conversation. My loudness level is set that way. I don't have

numbers on the control. I just set it at 12 o'clock, which is midway

between min and max. In practice I then run it between about 11:30 and

12:30.

Virg

> ,

> I still dont understand those comfort and threshold settings that they

> do. I have never heard numbers mentioned, my audi usually shows me a

> chart and asks where on the chart I reckon the comfort level is. Is

> this the time I should make it higher if I want it louder, so that I

> can turn it down to about 7 before I leave the office?

>

> Ted F.

>

> >

> > Ted,

> > When my audie increases the Ts and Cs, the volume is increased. He

> > typically set a comfortable volume at 5, so I have some volume to

> > work with, gradually increasing as the volume becomes soft to me.

> >

>

November 10, 2006

Well that is part of it but the actual part that are T & C is when you tell her

when you can first hear something and when it is too loud. Those are the T & C

levels.

Connie

" Ted F. " <ted.fletcher@...> wrote:

Is this when she plays the three beeps and you have to say whether

either the second and third ones are louder or quieter than the first

beep?

Ted F.

> How would that work, Connie? If it was set on 7, would I

still be

> able to have it as loud as I wanted when I left the office? If so,

it

> sounds along similar lines to what I was going to try. To get the

> volume set a bit too loud for me, then turn it down to about 7.

>

> I've had a bit f fun playing with the sensittivity settings, I was

> looking forward to the same with the volume. I'm easily amused :-).

>

> Ted F.

>

" The Miracle at Ohio State "

aka Nucleus Freedom

Implanted 10/04/2005

Activated 11/1/2005

Surgery: Ohio State University

Surgeon: Dr. Bradley Welling

http://internalmedicine.osu.edu/article.cfm?ID=2021

November 10, 2006

Ted,

After determining the comfort loudness level for me (which is unique to each

person), my audie uses it as a mid range on the Freedom's volume, that being

volume 5. This way, if I need softer volume, I go lower than 5 (0-4). If I

need louder volume, I go higher than 5 (6-9).

November 10, 2006

Thanks, Virg. That seems to make sense to me. I have made a note of

your message to take with me. I cant always think of the words to

describe what I want when I get there :-).

Ted F.

>

> Ted, I obviously know nothing about the Freedom but it sounds as

> though you have a " volume control " and that your audie has been

> setting loudness thresholds when you have the control at maximum.

> If that is the case it would seem prudent to have the control set

> at midrange, whatever number that is when the threshold is set at

> comfort level. You could go both up and down from there depending

> upon the situation.

> Virg

>

> > ,

> > I still dont understand those comfort and threshold settings that

> > they do. I have never heard numbers mentioned, my audi usually

> > shows me a chart and asks where on the chart I reckon the comfort

> > level is. Is this the time I should make it higher if I want it

> > louder, so that I can turn it down to about 7 before I leave the

> > office?

> >

> > Ted F.

> >

November 10, 2006

What I meant by not having seen numbers , was that I dont know

how the audi arrived at setting all my programmes on 9. That Hz stuff

is too technical for me.

I think when I explain to her what I want, to be able to turn the

volume UP if I so desire, it will probably be an easy fix. I think

they quite rightly err on the side of caution in these early days.

Now I can fly, I want a bigger parachute :-)

Ted F.

>

> Ted,

> Although there are numbers for Comfort and Threshold levels, no

> audie ever bothers to give those out. If I remember this thread

> correctly, you are referring to frequency (Hz)?

>

> In a message dated 11/10/2006 8:31:43 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> ted.fletcher@... writes:

> ,

> I still dont understand those comfort and threshold settings that

> they do. I have never heard numbers mentioned, my audi usually

> shows me a chart and asks where on the chart I reckon the comfort

> level is. Is this the time I should make it higher if I want it

> louder, so that I can turn it down to about 7 before I leave the

> office?

>

> Ted F.

>

November 10, 2006

Thanks, .

I have copied your message to take with me, as well.

Ted F.

>

> Ted,

> After determining the comfort loudness level for me (which is unique

> to each person), my audie uses it as a mid range on the Freedom's

> volume, that being volume 5. This way, if I need softer volume, I go

> lower than 5 (0-4). If I need louder volume, I go higher than 5 (6-9).

>

November 12, 2006

Hi Virg and Ted,

At my last mapping, I had complained about needing more volume. My audie

raised the gain until it was fairly loud, without being too loud or

uncomfortable. We set that as the default and put it as #6. That way I have

room to raise or lower the volume as needed. In fact, I have only had to

raise the volume on occasion-- usually if I'm in a noisy situation and

reduce the sensitivity a bit much, I will need to raise the volume to

compensate. Otherwise the 6 position is about right, and I have never needed

to lower the volume below 6.

Lynn

Fairhope, AL

Nucleus Freedom

Surgery date: 9/6/06

Activation date: 9/27/06

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