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Rollwagen <kylerollwagen@...> wrote:

> increased acth leads to increased cortisol i thought,  assuming

> adrenals are strong enough.  but increased acth   also increases

> adreneline heh?, didnt know that....

Adrenaline fosters increase of ACTH, which then fosters

cortisol if the adrenals are able to produce it. This is how

the body handles stress.

I'm not sure about the ACTH increasing adrenaline in turn though.

Carol W.

 

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Hello,

Yes, I have had this since my mgb in 2002. My sister-in-law also experiences it.

It is dumping syndrome--Dr. Rutledge talks of it in the Patient Manual. It can

happen right away after whatever triggers it, or it can be delayed

dumping--hours later. Mine can happen anywhere from 10 minutes after up to 3

hrs after eating the " offensive " food (usually simple carbs--first time it was

after I drank lemonade, then ONE Reese's pb cup). My blood glucose will spike

(up to 275) then plummet (down to 35) within a 20 minute timeframe. Then, even

after my glucose is stabilized, I feel like I got hit by a truck. It is an awful

feeling--exhausting.

It is especially frustrating because doctors don't understand the

pathophysiology & didn't want to believe that had just started AFTER my mgb. My

OB/GYN (during my pregnancy in '05) went so far as to say I might have an

adrenal tumor--which was ridiculous--because " pregnant women don't get

hypoglycemic like this " . And there is nothing that your doctor will be able to

do to make it stop--it's all in what you eat.

So...what I've learned. Don't eat, and especially don't drink, simple

carbohydrates--which are carbs that are in the closest form to sugar (sugary

drinks, candy, alcohol, sweetened foods like applesauce). That would be a good

place to start. Then, if you find that you're still having dumping, try to

narrow down & figure out what is causing it. Some people have dumping from

carbohydrates such as bread, rice, pasta. Make sure you're eating small,

frequent meals. Also, make sure that you're not drinking with your meals--which

will cause the food to move through your GI tract quicker--possibly causing

dumping. Try keeping a diet journal so that you can try to correlate the foods

with the symptoms. Also, if you need a glucometer--to check your blood

su.gar--doctors' offices will often give you one (they get them free from the

companies that make them) & show you how to use it. A friend of mine also got

one free just by contacting the company (OneTouch Ultra Smart) via their

website. Then when the testing supplies included in the kit run out, your doctor

can write you a prescription for the strips & lancets.

When you do have a hypoglycemic event, it is very important that you don't take

too much sugar in order to bring your glucose back up. You know how diabetics

are supposed to drink oj or eat hard candy to get their sugar up? Drink no more

than 4 oz! If you do, your body will react in the same way that got you in

trouble in the first place. After drinking the oj, you must have some protein

intake in order to support your blood sugar. A protein shake works well--as it

is easily absorbed. The more chewing that is involved with eating the food, the

longer it is going to take for it to break down & be absorbed & start to work in

your system.

Best Wishes,

Stacey

Dr. R-10/23/02

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I find just about the only time I dump is if I have something sweet right after

a meal. I try to wait 30 mins. or more for a little dessert. Sometimes I forget

to do this then WOW!. I want to kick myself for forgetting to wait.

B

hypoglycemia

Hello,

Yes, I have had this since my mgb in 2002. My sister-in-law also experiences it.

It is dumping syndrome--Dr. Rutledge talks of it in the Patient Manual. It can

happen right away after whatever triggers it, or it can be delayed

dumping--hours later. Mine can happen anywhere from 10 minutes after up to 3

hrs after eating the " offensive " food (usually simple carbs--first time it was

after I drank lemonade, then ONE Reese's pb cup). My blood glucose will spike

(up to 275) then plummet (down to 35) within a 20 minute timeframe. Then, even

after my glucose is stabilized, I feel like I got hit by a truck. It is an awful

feeling--exhausting.

It is especially frustrating because doctors don't understand the

pathophysiology & didn't want to believe that had just started AFTER my mgb. My

OB/GYN (during my pregnancy in '05) went so far as to say I might have an

adrenal tumor--which was ridiculous--because " pregnant women don't get

hypoglycemic like this " . And there is nothing that your doctor will be able to

do to make it stop--it's all in what you eat.

So...what I've learned. Don't eat, and especially don't drink, simple

carbohydrates--which are carbs that are in the closest form to sugar (sugary

drinks, candy, alcohol, sweetened foods like applesauce). That would be a good

place to start. Then, if you find that you're still having dumping, try to

narrow down & figure out what is causing it. Some people have dumping from

carbohydrates such as bread, rice, pasta. Make sure you're eating small,

frequent meals. Also, make sure that you're not drinking with your meals--which

will cause the food to move through your GI tract quicker--possibly causing

dumping. Try keeping a diet journal so that you can try to correlate the foods

with the symptoms. Also, if you need a glucometer--to check your blood

su.gar--doctors' offices will often give you one (they get them free from the

companies that make them) & show you how to use it. A friend of mine also got

one free just by contacting the company (OneTouch Ultra Smart) via thei r

website. Then when the testing supplies included in the kit run out, your doctor

can write you a prescription for the strips & lancets.

When you do have a hypoglycemic event, it is very important that you don't take

too much sugar in order to bring your glucose back up. You know how diabetics

are supposed to drink oj or eat hard candy to get their sugar up? Drink no more

than 4 oz! If you do, your body will react in the same way that got you in

trouble in the first place. After drinking the oj, you must have some protein

intake in order to support your blood sugar. A protein shake works well--as it

is easily absorbed. The more chewing that is involved with eating the food, the

longer it is going to take for it to break down & be absorbed & start to work in

your system.

Best Wishes,

Stacey

Dr. R-10/23/02

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Hi Stacey

I had my MGB 2 days after you 10/25/02. I also have this reaction to simple

carbs, especially breakfast cereal. I have to say though, that I did have

hypoglycemia like this before my MGB with all of my pregnancies, so I don't

know what your doctor was talking about, because it is common in pregnancy.

But since the MGB, I have to watch the carbs that I eat. It doesn't even

matter sometimes how much protein I had with the meal. It catches me by

complete surprise because sometimes it will happen with a meal like eggs,

sausage, toast and jam. I have also noticed that if I have a carb, and then

drink coffee after or with it, it intensifies the reaction. I know a doctor

that this happens to also and she has never had gastric surgery.

Jan

Dr. Rutledge

10/25/02

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This is called Reactive Hypoglycemia- you can google it- it is common among

people with gastric bypass, it is also unpredictable. I carry glucose tablets

with me so taht I am always prepared. I have talked to my GP and my Gynocologist

about it. They both are familiar with Reactive Hypoglycemia.

From: TreeBee123@...

Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 15:55:51 -0400

Subject: Re: hypoglycemia

I find just about the only time I dump is if I have something sweet right after

a meal. I try to wait 30 mins. or more for a little dessert. Sometimes I forget

to do this then WOW!. I want to kick myself for forgetting to wait.

B

hypoglycemia

Hello,

Yes, I have had this since my mgb in 2002. My sister-in-law also experiences it.

It is dumping syndrome--Dr. Rutledge talks of it in the Patient Manual. It can

happen right away after whatever triggers it, or it can be delayed

dumping--hours later. Mine can happen anywhere from 10 minutes after up to 3 hrs

after eating the " offensive " food (usually simple carbs--first time it was after

I drank lemonade, then ONE Reese's pb cup). My blood glucose will spike (up to

275) then plummet (down to 35) within a 20 minute timeframe. Then, even after my

glucose is stabilized, I feel like I got hit by a truck. It is an awful

feeling--exhausting.

It is especially frustrating because doctors don't understand the

pathophysiology & didn't want to believe that had just started AFTER my mgb. My

OB/GYN (during my pregnancy in '05) went so far as to say I might have an

adrenal tumor--which was ridiculous--because " pregnant women don't get

hypoglycemic like this " . And there is nothing that your doctor will be able to

do to make it stop--it's all in what you eat.

So...what I've learned. Don't eat, and especially don't drink, simple

carbohydrates--which are carbs that are in the closest form to sugar (sugary

drinks, candy, alcohol, sweetened foods like applesauce). That would be a good

place to start. Then, if you find that you're still having dumping, try to

narrow down & figure out what is causing it. Some people have dumping from

carbohydrates such as bread, rice, pasta. Make sure you're eating small,

frequent meals. Also, make sure that you're not drinking with your meals--which

will cause the food to move through your GI tract quicker--possibly causing

dumping. Try keeping a diet journal so that you can try to correlate the foods

with the symptoms. Also, if you need a glucometer--to check your blood

su.gar--doctors' offices will often give you one (they get them free from the

companies that make them) & show you how to use it. A friend of mine also got

one free just by contacting the company (OneTouch Ultra Smart) via thei r

website. Then when the testing supplies included in the kit run out, your doctor

can write you a prescription for the strips & lancets.

When you do have a hypoglycemic event, it is very important that you don't take

too much sugar in order to bring your glucose back up. You know how diabetics

are supposed to drink oj or eat hard candy to get their sugar up? Drink no more

than 4 oz! If you do, your body will react in the same way that got you in

trouble in the first place. After drinking the oj, you must have some protein

intake in order to support your blood sugar. A protein shake works well--as it

is easily absorbed. The more chewing that is involved with eating the food, the

longer it is going to take for it to break down & be absorbed & start to work in

your system.

Best Wishes,

Stacey

Dr. R-10/23/02

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Interestingly I have struggled with hypoglycemia for quite a few years & my

latest bloodwork showed high blood sugar, which shocked me. My FMS doc said that

he has seen that before & I was possibly pre-diabetic. My guess is that it is

the various viruses etc wrecking havoc in my system. Anyway, I am following up

with another doctor & probably re-testing this week and will let you know.

BTW,for the hypoglycemia, my doc told me to eat often, small portions, protein

to keep blood sugar stable.

Joy

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> Again, I am wondering if this is related to the CFS or just something specific

to my genetic makeup and environmental experience.

> Beverly H

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I think we all do better with mega protein, be it animal,or whey drinks. One

way to stay away from sugar is to remember " cancer loves sugar " . I lost my

hypoglycemic symptoms when amalgams were removed :) Problem was I started

eating sugar!! I've stopped that, drink lots of good water, and eat clean.

God Bless,

Sara

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" Beverly " <bevbh@...> wrote:

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> need to go on the hypoglycemia diet

Hypoglycemia is the product of lower cortisol or adrenal fatigue,

yet not so low as to be dx by an MD as 's, Sheehan's

or the like. See my article " adrenal support " , at url below/end.

A moderate-carb paleo diet www.paleodiet.com works well

and stabilizes blood sugar. Quality protein 60+ grams

spaced thru the day for stability, most or all

of it animal based protein.

Several smaller meals or snacks rather than just 3 meals keeps

your blood sugar up (older persons who now have insulin resistance

need to go to 3 meals and no snacks).

Avoid whey protein as it lowers BP and can make many persons

with low cortisol and hypoglycemia feel on edge, strung out, tired.

Starches can be whole grains or root veg, fruit, but keep

all of these minimal, and eat them with protein and fat for

balance and better stability. Moderate carbs (around 100 grams/day)

are not so low as to lose weight, but not so high as to create

blood sugar extremes. (Weight loss is 20-60 carb grams/day.

Typical adult diets have 200+ grams of carbs/day.) A medium

potato or piece of fruit or 1 cup cooked whole grains - any of

these have about 25 grams carbs.

Carol W.

willis_protocols

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