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Hello, Jeanne -- I'm still trying to get more parasites out so

haven't done the gallstone flush yet. Dusan said it might take up to

10 flushes every 2 weeks to get them all out but I think he said the

average is 5 flushes. People are using hot castor oil packs when

they have an attack. There's lots of info. in the Archives. ...

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Hey Jeanne, this is laura. The list has been quiet lately, but I am sure

someone will answer your question. I have never had an attack, just slight

pain and itchiness. Which flush did you do? Did you pass alot of stones?

At 11:46 AM 7/10/99 -0500, you wrote:

>From: " Dave " <dblankconstruction@...>

>

>Hi All,

>I'm new to this list. I have a few questions. I did the gallbadder flush a

>few weeks ago and I have had two attacks since then. Will I continue to have

>attacks? I am going to do another flush soon, but I'm not sure if this will

>cure me. I do not want to go through life wondering if what I'm eating is

>going to give me an attack.

>Any help would be appreciated.

>Thanks,

>Jeanne

>

>

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Hi All,

I'm new to this list. I have a few questions. I did the gallbadder flush a

few weeks ago and I have had two attacks since then. Will I continue to have

attacks? I am going to do another flush soon, but I'm not sure if this will

cure me. I do not want to go through life wondering if what I'm eating is

going to give me an attack.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Jeanne

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> From: " Dave " <dblankconstruction@...>

>

> Hi All,

> I'm new to this list. I have a few questions. I did the

> gallbadder flush a few weeks ago and I have had two attacks

> since then. Will I continue to have attacks? I am going to do

> another flush soon, but I'm not sure if this will cure me.

Hi Jeanne,

It is my understanding that doing just one flush not

only is not enough, but it can cause you to have MORe

problems. It does this by eliminating the bigger stones

first, and then the smaller stones actually plug up the

bile duct even more than the bigger stones did.

There is debate on the subject, but the consensus seems

to be anywhere from 5-25 flushes, done in 1-2 week

intervals. This is done until no more stones come out.

> I do not want to go through life wondering if what I'm eating

> is going to give me an attack.

This IS life. If you eat junk, you will have to suffer

the consequences. The flush is a way to keep the stones

out, but until you change your eating habits, they will

keep coming back.

> Any help would be appreciated.

> Thanks,

> Jeanne

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hey charles, I hope my questions aren't too dumb! I guess I am worried

about this " stirred up " feeling because I am going away on Wednesday. I did

the flush this previous Wednesday and I wonder if I could go ahead and do

another tomorrow night (Monday). Would that be too early? laura

At 07:48 PM 7/11/99 -0400, you wrote:

>From: " Marcus " <cmarcus@...>

>

>> From: " Dave " <dblankconstruction@...>

>>

>> Hi All,

>> I'm new to this list. I have a few questions. I did the

>> gallbadder flush a few weeks ago and I have had two attacks

>> since then. Will I continue to have attacks? I am going to do

>> another flush soon, but I'm not sure if this will cure me.

>

>Hi Jeanne,

>

>It is my understanding that doing just one flush not

>only is not enough, but it can cause you to have MORe

>problems. It does this by eliminating the bigger stones

>first, and then the smaller stones actually plug up the

>bile duct even more than the bigger stones did.

>

>There is debate on the subject, but the consensus seems

>to be anywhere from 5-25 flushes, done in 1-2 week

>intervals. This is done until no more stones come out.

>

>> I do not want to go through life wondering if what I'm eating

>> is going to give me an attack.

>

>This IS life. If you eat junk, you will have to suffer

>the consequences. The flush is a way to keep the stones

>out, but until you change your eating habits, they will

>keep coming back.

>

>> Any help would be appreciated.

>> Thanks,

>> Jeanne

>

>

>

>--

>

> Marcus

>

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-----Original Message-----

From: Metirmer@... [mailto:Metirmer@...]

Sent: Sunday, July 11, 1999 11:19 PM

gallstonesonelist

Subject: Re: Digest Number 91

From: Metirmer@...

#1 Question here!......Have any of you had an actual gallbladder attack

while doing the flush?.

Thanks

Darlene

Not me Darlene. I've done 4 flushes and had many attacks before them.

a

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-----Original Message-----

From: McMullan [mailto:mcfam12@...]

Sent: Sunday, July 11, 1999 9:52 PM

gallstonesonelist

Subject: Re: Digest Number 91

From: McMullan <mcfam12@...>

hey charles, I hope my questions aren't too dumb! I guess I am worried

about this " stirred up " feeling because I am going away on Wednesday. I did

the flush this previous Wednesday and I wonder if I could go ahead and do

another tomorrow night (Monday). Would that be too early? laura

From what I've read the flushes take a lot out of you and flushing that way

may be too much for your body. When will you be back?

a

At 07:48 PM 7/11/99 -0400, you wrote:

>From: " Marcus " <cmarcus@...>

>

>> From: " Dave " <dblankconstruction@...>

>>

>> Hi All,

>> I'm new to this list. I have a few questions. I did the

>> gallbadder flush a few weeks ago and I have had two attacks

>> since then. Will I continue to have attacks? I am going to do

>> another flush soon, but I'm not sure if this will cure me.

>

>Hi Jeanne,

>

>It is my understanding that doing just one flush not

>only is not enough, but it can cause you to have MORe

>problems. It does this by eliminating the bigger stones

>first, and then the smaller stones actually plug up the

>bile duct even more than the bigger stones did.

>

>There is debate on the subject, but the consensus seems

>to be anywhere from 5-25 flushes, done in 1-2 week

>intervals. This is done until no more stones come out.

>

>> I do not want to go through life wondering if what I'm eating

>> is going to give me an attack.

>

>This IS life. If you eat junk, you will have to suffer

>the consequences. The flush is a way to keep the stones

>out, but until you change your eating habits, they will

>keep coming back.

>

>> Any help would be appreciated.

>> Thanks,

>> Jeanne

>

>

>

>--

>

> Marcus

>

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> From: McMullan <mcfam12@...>

>

>

> hey charles, I hope my questions aren't too dumb!

The only dumb questions are the ones you want to ask,

but DON'T.

;-)

> I guess I

> am worried about this " stirred up " feeling because I am going

> away on Wednesday. I did the flush this previous Wednesday

> and I wonder if I could go ahead and do another tomorrow

> night (Monday). Would that be too early? laura

I don't see why not, though again, I am not what you

would call an authority. Nothing I have read would

indicate a DANGER from doing it too soon after a

previous one. I think the main reason for the wait is

to let the body recuperate, as it can be fairly taxing.

If you feel OK about it, then I would say 'go for it'.

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Hey alexa, I will leave on the 14th and come back on the 26th. I was just

worried that I would have an attack because of the feeling I was having. laura

At 11:54 PM 7/11/99 -0400, you wrote:

>From: " a Chisholm " <alexa@...>

>

>

>-----Original Message-----

>From: McMullan [mailto:mcfam12@...]

>Sent: Sunday, July 11, 1999 9:52 PM

>gallstonesonelist

>Subject: Re: Digest Number 91

>

>

>From: McMullan <mcfam12@...>

>

>

>hey charles, I hope my questions aren't too dumb! I guess I am worried

>about this " stirred up " feeling because I am going away on Wednesday. I did

>the flush this previous Wednesday and I wonder if I could go ahead and do

>another tomorrow night (Monday). Would that be too early? laura

>

>

>From what I've read the flushes take a lot out of you and flushing that way

>may be too much for your body. When will you be back?

>

>a

>

>

>

>

>

>

>At 07:48 PM 7/11/99 -0400, you wrote:

>>From: " Marcus " <cmarcus@...>

>>

>>> From: " Dave " <dblankconstruction@...>

>>>

>>> Hi All,

>>> I'm new to this list. I have a few questions. I did the

>>> gallbadder flush a few weeks ago and I have had two attacks

>>> since then. Will I continue to have attacks? I am going to do

>>> another flush soon, but I'm not sure if this will cure me.

>>

>>Hi Jeanne,

>>

>>It is my understanding that doing just one flush not

>>only is not enough, but it can cause you to have MORe

>>problems. It does this by eliminating the bigger stones

>>first, and then the smaller stones actually plug up the

>>bile duct even more than the bigger stones did.

>>

>>There is debate on the subject, but the consensus seems

>>to be anywhere from 5-25 flushes, done in 1-2 week

>>intervals. This is done until no more stones come out.

>>

>>> I do not want to go through life wondering if what I'm eating

>>> is going to give me an attack.

>>

>>This IS life. If you eat junk, you will have to suffer

>>the consequences. The flush is a way to keep the stones

>>out, but until you change your eating habits, they will

>>keep coming back.

>>

>>> Any help would be appreciated.

>>> Thanks,

>>> Jeanne

>>

>>

>>

>>--

>>

>> Marcus

>>

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In a message dated 4/1/00 9:53:30 AM Eastern Standard Time,

Hepatitis Conelist writes:

<< I definitely feel

that if a doctor cannot convince me he/she knows what they are doing they

are not good enough to be my doctor. We need to move on rather than waste

time with a doctor who isn't open to learning what is the latest thinking on

a particular disease.

>>

Beth,

I am so sorry you had to run across one of those doctors out there you does

not do his homework. I am sure you are not overly excited about starting

treatment again. You were responding the first time so there is no reason to

believe that you would not respond again.

Hang in there and good luck with your future treatment.

Peggy

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In a message dated 4/1/00 9:53:30 AM Eastern Standard Time,

Hepatitis Conelist writes:

<< I definitely feel

that if a doctor cannot convince me he/she knows what they are doing they

are not good enough to be my doctor. We need to move on rather than waste

time with a doctor who isn't open to learning what is the latest thinking on

a particular disease.

>>

Beth,

I am so sorry you had to run across one of those doctors out there you does

not do his homework. I am sure you are not overly excited about starting

treatment again. You were responding the first time so there is no reason to

believe that you would not respond again.

Hang in there and good luck with your future treatment.

Peggy

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Dear Beth:

It is a shame that you had to fall into this, but, just from our

list, you can see you are not alone. Forgetting issues of malpractice,

and the like, I believe the GI was out of bounds in what he/she did. The

approved protocols state to go for 24 weeks, (which may not be equal to

6 months), and if all is stable, then do another 24 weeks. If you don't

respond after that, I would probably agree with your GI.

Also, depending on how long it has been from stopping therapy to

now, while the combo is usually not continued if its been stopped for

more than 2 weeks, unless, it is to stablize blood levels. Since your

viral loads went up, you may be a candidate for high dose interferon,

which the doc has spoken about.

Do you have a hepatologist? What State are you located in? What is

your history, etc.?, are all important questions. If you want to write

to me privately, I'll try to help if I can. We could then speak by phone

or whatever, and I'll see what I can dig up.

It also sounds like you are either in a HMO or some type of " gate

keeper " health plan. There are ways around those too, but, you will need

to be persistent. I will not advise anything illegal, or unethical, just

to a level that is owed to any person. If it helps at all, besides being

a Nurse Practitioner, I have 2 Master's in Health Care and Business and

have worked for Insurance Companies, Privute Groups, and have worked

with the FBI, and several other State and Federal Agencies, in

investigating issues that, while at a smaller level, are still very

similar. I've also done many " Fraud " investigations for a variety of

people or companies.

This is said not to try and impress you, but, because I am a big

advocate of patient's rights, and, both making sure insurance companies

are neither overbilled, nor, allowed to skirt their obligations. So, if

I can, I'll help if you want. Marty byteme@...

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Dear Beth:

It is a shame that you had to fall into this, but, just from our

list, you can see you are not alone. Forgetting issues of malpractice,

and the like, I believe the GI was out of bounds in what he/she did. The

approved protocols state to go for 24 weeks, (which may not be equal to

6 months), and if all is stable, then do another 24 weeks. If you don't

respond after that, I would probably agree with your GI.

Also, depending on how long it has been from stopping therapy to

now, while the combo is usually not continued if its been stopped for

more than 2 weeks, unless, it is to stablize blood levels. Since your

viral loads went up, you may be a candidate for high dose interferon,

which the doc has spoken about.

Do you have a hepatologist? What State are you located in? What is

your history, etc.?, are all important questions. If you want to write

to me privately, I'll try to help if I can. We could then speak by phone

or whatever, and I'll see what I can dig up.

It also sounds like you are either in a HMO or some type of " gate

keeper " health plan. There are ways around those too, but, you will need

to be persistent. I will not advise anything illegal, or unethical, just

to a level that is owed to any person. If it helps at all, besides being

a Nurse Practitioner, I have 2 Master's in Health Care and Business and

have worked for Insurance Companies, Privute Groups, and have worked

with the FBI, and several other State and Federal Agencies, in

investigating issues that, while at a smaller level, are still very

similar. I've also done many " Fraud " investigations for a variety of

people or companies.

This is said not to try and impress you, but, because I am a big

advocate of patient's rights, and, both making sure insurance companies

are neither overbilled, nor, allowed to skirt their obligations. So, if

I can, I'll help if you want. Marty byteme@...

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Dear Beth:

It is a shame that you had to fall into this, but, just from our

list, you can see you are not alone. Forgetting issues of malpractice,

and the like, I believe the GI was out of bounds in what he/she did. The

approved protocols state to go for 24 weeks, (which may not be equal to

6 months), and if all is stable, then do another 24 weeks. If you don't

respond after that, I would probably agree with your GI.

Also, depending on how long it has been from stopping therapy to

now, while the combo is usually not continued if its been stopped for

more than 2 weeks, unless, it is to stablize blood levels. Since your

viral loads went up, you may be a candidate for high dose interferon,

which the doc has spoken about.

Do you have a hepatologist? What State are you located in? What is

your history, etc.?, are all important questions. If you want to write

to me privately, I'll try to help if I can. We could then speak by phone

or whatever, and I'll see what I can dig up.

It also sounds like you are either in a HMO or some type of " gate

keeper " health plan. There are ways around those too, but, you will need

to be persistent. I will not advise anything illegal, or unethical, just

to a level that is owed to any person. If it helps at all, besides being

a Nurse Practitioner, I have 2 Master's in Health Care and Business and

have worked for Insurance Companies, Privute Groups, and have worked

with the FBI, and several other State and Federal Agencies, in

investigating issues that, while at a smaller level, are still very

similar. I've also done many " Fraud " investigations for a variety of

people or companies.

This is said not to try and impress you, but, because I am a big

advocate of patient's rights, and, both making sure insurance companies

are neither overbilled, nor, allowed to skirt their obligations. So, if

I can, I'll help if you want. Marty byteme@...

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Dear Beth:

It is a shame that you had to fall into this, but, just from our

list, you can see you are not alone. Forgetting issues of malpractice,

and the like, I believe the GI was out of bounds in what he/she did. The

approved protocols state to go for 24 weeks, (which may not be equal to

6 months), and if all is stable, then do another 24 weeks. If you don't

respond after that, I would probably agree with your GI.

Also, depending on how long it has been from stopping therapy to

now, while the combo is usually not continued if its been stopped for

more than 2 weeks, unless, it is to stablize blood levels. Since your

viral loads went up, you may be a candidate for high dose interferon,

which the doc has spoken about.

Do you have a hepatologist? What State are you located in? What is

your history, etc.?, are all important questions. If you want to write

to me privately, I'll try to help if I can. We could then speak by phone

or whatever, and I'll see what I can dig up.

It also sounds like you are either in a HMO or some type of " gate

keeper " health plan. There are ways around those too, but, you will need

to be persistent. I will not advise anything illegal, or unethical, just

to a level that is owed to any person. If it helps at all, besides being

a Nurse Practitioner, I have 2 Master's in Health Care and Business and

have worked for Insurance Companies, Privute Groups, and have worked

with the FBI, and several other State and Federal Agencies, in

investigating issues that, while at a smaller level, are still very

similar. I've also done many " Fraud " investigations for a variety of

people or companies.

This is said not to try and impress you, but, because I am a big

advocate of patient's rights, and, both making sure insurance companies

are neither overbilled, nor, allowed to skirt their obligations. So, if

I can, I'll help if you want. Marty byteme@...

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Dear :

If I typed 4 years, it was a mistake. The max normal dose of combo

is 48 weeks. Heavy interferon alone, is still being tested and varies.

But, not 4 years. I am not sure you, or your family could physically or

psychologically take that long. Sometimes 4 weeks is enough to drive a

family nuts. Marty

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Dear :

If I typed 4 years, it was a mistake. The max normal dose of combo

is 48 weeks. Heavy interferon alone, is still being tested and varies.

But, not 4 years. I am not sure you, or your family could physically or

psychologically take that long. Sometimes 4 weeks is enough to drive a

family nuts. Marty

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Dear Constance:

The RNA, in the basic form would be the messenger to the RNA. It is

like a delivery person, or coach, or anyone, or thing, that carries

instructions to take the next step, In this case, it is how the cell

divides and what it carries as information. Everyone has RNA in each

cell that acts like the stop light at a traffic signal. If the light

goes on the " frizz " , you either have a very messy intersection,

accidents or both.

The PCR is a test that allows the lab to look at a particular aspect

of your blood serum, and, by some hairy methods, is able to see how much

of the virus is in a given area. This figure is then taken and

multiplied to account for the rest of the liver, with the assumption

that it is a representative sample. It is just another medical test that

offers more accurate details of something that is happening, and to what

degree.

Years ago the ALT and AST were used as indicators on whether someone

had a heart attack, because, when any muscle suffered injury, it

releases certain chemicals into the body, which are then measured. It

was assumed, that if you had chest pain, and these levels were elevated,

you were, or had a heart attack. Today, we know how to more

sophistically tell what chemicals are released from what cells, when

that area has problems. The PCR is one of those indicators that help in

HCV, although there are PCR levels for other conditions.

I hope this helps. Marty

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