Copper

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If I was you, I would stay away from the copper bowl.

Dagmar.

[ ] copper

Does anyone know that if I were to dehydrate fruit on my own would

that lessen the copper content of the dried fruit compared to store

bought dried fruit? I'm trying to reduce copper levels, but would

like to give dried fruit I can trust. Also, kind of a dumb question

but...if I were to beat eggs in a copper bowl would that increase the

copper content too much? Someone mentioned to me that mixing eggs in

a copper bowl changes them in such a way that my son may be able to

tolerate them. (You know, like when you beat egg whites in a copper

bowl that makes them peak better, right?)

Thanks,

Amy

[Guest guest]

zinc and molybdenum reduce copper.

zinc to the extent that it is one of limitations of taking to much

zinc is an easy reduction of copper.

--- In , " Dagmar " <dagmarjahr@e...>

wrote:

> If I was you, I would stay away from the copper bowl.

>

> Dagmar.

> [ ] copper

>

>

> Does anyone know that if I were to dehydrate fruit on my own

would

> that lessen the copper content of the dried fruit compared to

store

> bought dried fruit? I'm trying to reduce copper levels, but

would

> like to give dried fruit I can trust. Also, kind of a dumb

question

> but...if I were to beat eggs in a copper bowl would that increase

the

> copper content too much? Someone mentioned to me that mixing

eggs in

> a copper bowl changes them in such a way that my son may be able

to

> tolerate them. (You know, like when you beat egg whites in a

copper

> bowl that makes them peak better, right?)

> Thanks,

> Amy

>

>

>

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With all this talk about elevated copper, one must keep in mind that copper

and zinc are acute phase reactants (See Maes, et al ?1997) i.e.

copper is elevated and zinc is low when there is inflammation. The same

picture is present in major depression. This may indicate that one way to

reduce copper is to treat inflammation. This could be for example in the

gastrointestinal tract (See Wakefield et al).

Ken Sokolski

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> Has anyone had their kids test come back saying they are deficient

in

> copper. Oddly enough, my son has had 2 test say that! Pfeiffer

says he has

> free copper, but Great Smokies (with 2 different tests) says he

needs it.

Hi ,

Yes, my son had two hair tests (a year apart) and both showed him to

be quite low on copper (and zinc too, but he had more zinc than

copper). Up until recently, I had just been ignoring his low copper,

since I had heard so many bad things about copper.

While looking for another book at the book store, I ran across a book

aimed at helping kids with ADD via nutritional means. One thing that

the book suggested was that you supplement with copper IF, and ONLY

IF, you have a hair test come back that shows low copper. So...I

decided to give copper supplementation a try. He's only had two

copper pills so far....but today he had the best homeschool session

he has ever had!!

It may have had nothing to do with the copper though. I have also

been doing other things, such as giving him more protein at breakfast

(another recommendation of that book) and just did a two day

intensive bug attack with olive leaf extract and monolaurin and

garlic, followed by a day of heavy probiotics (that was yesterday).

So who knows why he did better today!

If I could locate the ADD book, I'd give you it's name. lol If

anyone wants the name, write me privately and I'll see if I can find

it.

Oh, by the way, I don't intend to supplement with copper for long,

without first running more tests to see what's happening. I sure

don't want to overdo it!!!!

Does anyone here know what role an appropriate amount of copper plays

in the body?

Janiece

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> Has anyone had their kids test come back saying they are deficient

in

> copper. Oddly enough, my son has had 2 test say that! Pfeiffer says

he has

> free copper, but Great Smokies (with 2 different tests) says he

needs it.

> Thanks,

> Larson

It is impossible to give intelligent answers to questions like this

wihtout knowing WHAT test it was, and what the numerical results,

reference ranges, age and sex of the kid, etc. were.

Andy . . . .

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In a message dated 20/03/2003 14:36:02 GMT Standard Time, Jacquiec1@...

writes:

> How do you chelate excess copper?

>

Zinc and or Molybedum (sp?) supplementation. Check out http://www.hriptc.org/

Pfeiffer have found very high number of kids with zinc/copper inbalance

HTH

Mandi in UK

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Very useful.

Thanks again.

J

In a message dated 3/20/2003 9:55:36 AM Eastern Standard Time,

Mum231ASD@... writes:

> http://www.hriptc.org/

>

[Guest guest]

> > How do you chelate excess copper?

> >

>

> Zinc and or Molybedum (sp?) supplementation. Check out http://www.

hriptc.org/

> Pfeiffer have found very high number of kids with zinc/copper

inbalance

I agree with the zinc and moly comment.

Also reduce intake of dietary copper by restricting/limiting

amounts of nuts and organ meats.

Also check ALL supplements for copper (some contain it).

Pfeiffer's zinc/copper is not the same as high HAIR copper.

I am commenting on what to do about HIGH HAIR COPPER.

I do NOT believe this applies to zinc/copper ratio, or

blood copper or anything else.

best wishes,

Moria

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> > > How do you chelate excess copper?

you might also look into " ammonium tetrathiomolybdate " - this seems to

be the only effective copper chelator out there - but is so new it's

probably not even available...

it has been used in cases of s disease (Copper loading disease).

good luck,

Oliver.

ps. - I'd recommend you make sure you have a copper problem before

looking at options like this...my hair copper was very high, and andy

even suggested I had a copper problem - but after sweat tests, and

metal sensitivity tests it looks like that was way off the mark...

[Guest guest]

What's the difference between high HAIR copper and high blood copper? I mean the

significance of how to chelate by supplementation for this. I guess I'm

confused, my dd has high blood copper, we never did the hair test.

Karyn

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> > How do you chelate excess copper?

> >

>

> Zinc and or Molybedum (sp?) supplementation. Check out http://www.

hriptc.org/

> Pfeiffer have found very high number of kids with zinc/copper

inbalance

I agree with the zinc and moly comment.

Also reduce intake of dietary copper by restricting/limiting

amounts of nuts and organ meats.

Also check ALL supplements for copper (some contain it).

Pfeiffer's zinc/copper is not the same as high HAIR copper.

I am commenting on what to do about HIGH HAIR COPPER.

I do NOT believe this applies to zinc/copper ratio, or

blood copper or anything else.

best wishes,

Moria

[Guest guest]

> Does anyone see a copper imbalance in their autistic

> children. Does anyoen know what causes it or how to

> help normalize it?

For many kids, copper is high. Adding zinc will help lower it. Also

remove foods high in copper, scroll down this page for a list

http://www.danasview.net/metals.htm

Dana

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Per Dr. Walsh, Pfeiffer Clinic, copper levels in the water

supply are 4x greater than they have been in recent years

(introduction of copper

pipes?).

Many Autistic kids have Metallothionein (MT) dysfunction. MT is a

family of cysteine-rich proteins which, among other things, regulate

copper, bind metals like mercury, carry zinc and protect the body

against oxidative stress.

When MT activity is weak, the MT doesn't properly bind the copper.

Excess copper depletes zinc (copper binds to zinc 1:1), casein and

gluten are unable to be broken down, there is hypersensitivity to

mercury, and weakened immune system.

Copper binds to zinc. If you have more copper than zinc, the copper

will bind to all of the zinc, rendering it useless.

3/4 of MT is found in the GI tract. When there is little MT in the

gut, there is increased levels of Copper, Lead, Mercury, etc. which

can disable enzymes that break down casein and gluten.

Hope that helps and doesn't cause greater confusion. My head is

still spinning from Saturday's conference!

[Guest guest]

> Hi all, can someone please explain how a child could come to have

> high copper levels, I know it may sound silly but where does it come

> from?

Check here for sources of copper

http://www.danasview.net/metals.htm

Dana

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Hi Vicky. My 3 year old son has very high copper. We took him to the

Pfeiffer Treatment Center this summer. They sent us some info on

copper when we received his test results.

According to the info sheet, copper exposure can be from: vitamins

and enriched foods that contain copper; elevated copper in water

supply (in our town the county's last water test showed high levels

but still within ok range - our son now drinks purified water);

treated swimming pools and Jacuzzis due to copper sulfate anti-algae

chemicals; and carob.

Stacie

[Guest guest]

Doctor's Data has a water testing kit that is very reasonably priced.

Mark Schauss, MBA, DB

www.carbonbased.com

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Does anybody know how you can test your drinking water for copper? I seem to

remember that this is quite easy, but have forgotten how you do it.

Thank you for any information,

Dagmar.

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[Guest guest]

I just order a water test from DDI on Friday. The prices are:

$99.00 for 17 metals

$129.00 for 17 metals and fluoride

[ ] copper

Does anybody know how you can test your drinking water for copper? I seem to

remember that this is quite easy, but have forgotten how you do it.

Thank you for any information,

Dagmar.

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[Guest guest]

Or add ammonia to the water and if it turns blue there is copper. Andy

C told me this. Because copper + ammonia = blue (just like windex).

However, I don't know the tolerance levels.

Maureen

On Jan 29, 2005, at 12:59 PM, wrote:

> Subject: RE: copper

>

> I just order a water test from DDI on Friday. The prices are:

> $99.00 for 17 metals

> $129.00 for 17 metals and fluoride

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wow...i was wondering about this. thanks. i asume that you can just

buy it without an Rx?

Karin

> I just order a water test from DDI on Friday. The prices are:

> $99.00 for 17 metals

> $129.00 for 17 metals and fluoride

>

>

>

> [ ] copper

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> Does anybody know how you can test your drinking water for copper?

I seem to

> remember that this is quite easy, but have forgotten how you do it.

>

> Thank you for any information,

>

> Dagmar.

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Yes, just call DDI directly. I paid with a credit card over the phone.

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> Does anybody know how you can test your drinking water for copper?

I seem to

> remember that this is quite easy, but have forgotten how you do it.

>

> Thank you for any information,

>

> Dagmar.

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>

> Hello, I won't be getting a hair test before i start chelation with

> the ALA alone so I was wondering if they can just do a blood test to

> see if his copper is too high.

No. Just chelate.

> I was also wanting to know how do you

> tell if the child is having trouble with yeast. Thanks Jen

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hello, I won't be getting a hair test before i start chelation with

> the ALA alone so I was wondering if they can just do a blood test to

> see if his copper is too high.

You can if you want. Or give a little zinc and see if you notice any

improvements.

>> I was also wanting to know how do you

> tell if the child is having trouble with yeast.

Info here

http://www.danasview.net/yeast.htm

Dana

[Guest guest]

>

> Hello, I won't be getting a hair test before i start chelation

with

> the ALA alone so I was wondering if they can just do a blood test

to

> see if his copper is too high.

blood tests will NOT tell you if a person is copper toxic.

This is NOT an alternative to a hair test, if you are

looking for whether copper toxicity is an issue -- which

I assume you are, due to the connection to ALA in the

question.

Copper toxicity is much rarer than mercury poisoning.

I'm sort of surprised you'd rather have a blood test than

hair--- since I try to avoid blood draws -- so hair seems

" easy " to me, but to each their own.

good wishes,

Moria

I was also wanting to know how do you

> tell if the child is having trouble with yeast. Thanks Jen

>

[Guest guest]

> >

> > Hello, I won't be getting a hair test before i start chelation

> with

> > the ALA alone so I was wondering if they can just do a blood test

> to

> > see if his copper is too high.

>

> blood tests will NOT tell you if a person is copper toxic.

> This is NOT an alternative to a hair test, if you are

> looking for whether copper toxicity is an issue -- which

> I assume you are, due to the connection to ALA in the

> question.

>

> Copper toxicity is much rarer than mercury poisoning.

>

> I'm sort of surprised you'd rather have a blood test than

> hair--- since I try to avoid blood draws -- so hair seems

> " easy " to me, but to each their own.

>

> good wishes,

> Moria

>

>

> Yes that is correct, I just wanted to make sure it wasn't going

to do any damage when I start the ALA. And yes I would rather not

put him through the blood draw, but he has to have blood drawn for

some other tests he already has scheduled so I was just going to ask

them to test for copper if that is an option. I am steering away

from the hair test because I want to get started now and I really

want to chelate no matter what the hair tests says. So is it very

seldom that a child would have enough copper toxicity that would

cause a problem with chelating with ALA?

> >Jen

>

[Guest guest]

> >

> > Hello, I won't be getting a hair test before i start chelation with

> > the ALA alone so I was wondering if they can just do a blood test

to

> > see if his copper is too high.

>

>

> You can if you want. Or give a little zinc and see if you notice any

> improvements.

>

>

> >> Dana thanks, I just want to be double check, Is it ok to give

the GSE at the same time as the ALA, or do I only give it to him on his

off days. Jen

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If it were me, I would at least make sure to use molybdenum and zinc,

3 times/day to make sure you are reducing the risk. That is, of

course, unless there are reasons not to use them.

Anne

> > >

> > > Hello, I won't be getting a hair test before i start chelation

> > with

> > > the ALA alone so I was wondering if they can just do a blood

test

> > to

> > > see if his copper is too high.

> >

> > blood tests will NOT tell you if a person is copper toxic.

> > This is NOT an alternative to a hair test, if you are

> > looking for whether copper toxicity is an issue -- which

> > I assume you are, due to the connection to ALA in the

> > question.

> >

> > Copper toxicity is much rarer than mercury poisoning.

> >

> > I'm sort of surprised you'd rather have a blood test than

> > hair--- since I try to avoid blood draws -- so hair seems

> > " easy " to me, but to each their own.

> >

> > good wishes,

> > Moria

> >

> >

> > Yes that is correct, I just wanted to make sure it wasn't

going

> to do any damage when I start the ALA. And yes I would rather not

> put him through the blood draw, but he has to have blood drawn for

> some other tests he already has scheduled so I was just going to

ask

> them to test for copper if that is an option. I am steering away

> from the hair test because I want to get started now and I really

> want to chelate no matter what the hair tests says. So is it very

> seldom that a child would have enough copper toxicity that would

> cause a problem with chelating with ALA?

> > >Jen

> >

>