Copper

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Copper is no more toxic than iron, which when is 'taken' in organic form

and in the right amount will not be toxic to the human body. As a matter

of fact, zinc and copper have an absorption relationship. How many people

are taking zinc as a supplement and not balancing it with copper (50 mg/2

mg is about right).

The only sensible way is to obtain an RBC copper from a lab. This is not a

serum measurement but rather the amount of copper contained in a red blood

cell.

For instance, if I put a patient on zinc and they must continue on it for

many months, I will check for RBC copper after about 4 months to see if the

RBC copper is too low. Then I will balance out the supplementation if

necessary.

At 08:27 PM 10/10/1999 +1000, you wrote:

>Dr. advises readers of her books not to drink water from copper pipes

older than 15 years as copper is toxic. My house is 10 years old and has

PVC pipes bringing the water to the house but there are copper pipes inside

the house connected to the taps. When a PVC pipe underground leaked , it

had to be replaced with a copper pipe. Every office and house I checked had

some copper pipes. I saw beer being brewed in copper vats at breweries and

I saw jam being boiled in copper vessels in a jam factory.

> Wallach and Ma Lan in their book " Rare Earths:Forbidden Cures " state

that copper deficiency is widespread and appears in many forms. " Symptoms of

copper deficiency include gray hair, aneurisms,varicose veins,low blood

sugar,anemia etc. Copper is essential to all living organisms and is a

universally important cofactor for many hundreds of metalloenzymes.

>Is copper really toxic?

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Gerald F. Sooley, DC

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I would like some more information about this issue also. I know that

mentions that copper is one of the eight common denominators in tumors. I'm

hoping that her new book The Cure for All Advanced Cancers will have some

more information about this. I'm not sure that PVC pipe meets plumbing code

when used inside the house in the state that I live in.

Copper

Dr. advises readers of her books not to drink water from copper

pipes older than 15 years as copper is toxic. My house is 10 years old and

has PVC pipes bringing the water to the house but there are copper pipes

inside the house connected to the taps. When a PVC pipe underground leaked ,

it had to be replaced with a copper pipe. Every office and house I checked

had some copper pipes. I saw beer being brewed in copper vats at breweries

and I saw jam being boiled in copper vessels in a jam factory.

Wallach and Ma Lan in their book " Rare Earths:Forbidden Cures " state

that copper deficiency is widespread and appears in many forms. " Symptoms of

copper deficiency include gray hair, aneurisms,varicose veins,low blood

sugar,anemia etc. Copper is essential to all living organisms and is a

universally important cofactor for many hundreds of metalloenzymes.

Is copper really toxic?

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At 08:51 AM 10/26/1999 -0500, you wrote:

>From: " R. Sooley, D.C. " <Drgeorge@...>

>

>Is Dr. Pfeiffer's book still in print?

>

>I forgot to mention hair analysis. If done appropriately, it can yield

>some good results though it should be interpreted with a degree of

>skepticism in some cases (the lab analysis provided, in my opinion,

>stretches a little far).

>

>

Dear ,

I have great hesitation about hair analysis. I've seen a high Cu/Zn ratio

show up in someone we know isn't Cu deficient. Just because Cu doesn't

show up in the hair doesn't mean the body isn't storing elsewhere. Do you

agree?

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>The patient you said that you " know " isn't Cu defiicient, what sort of

>testing did you do to determine that? And are you sure the high Cu/Zn

>ratio does not mean that they are severely deficient in Zinc?

Dear ....duh....meant to say high Zn/Cu ratio.

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Is Dr. Pfeiffer's book still in print?

I forgot to mention hair analysis. If done appropriately, it can yield

some good results though it should be interpreted with a degree of

skepticism in some cases (the lab analysis provided, in my opinion,

stretches a little far).

I find no value in milk either. It has been too polluted and God meant it

for baby CALVES--not adolescent or fully grown or even baby HUMANS.

For zinc supplementation I recommend aqueous zinc (zinc sulfate

heptahydrate in a base of distilled water).

I grew up in a rural area, and my dad was a chiropractor. We were strictly

prohibited from drinking the well water. My dad bought a water distiller

and attached several carbon filters AFTER the distiller process. The

distiller and filters required constant maintenance because of the scales

of minerals (certainly copper included) that would form. The carbon

filters would block any pesticide residues that could possibly get through

the distiller. I feel confident that it was well worth his effort to keep

us from the poisons lurking in farm water wash-off and our copper piping.

The schizophrenics you mention are probaby excreting less copper because

they are unable to chelate (or separate) it out.

Dr.

At 10:33 PM 10/25/1999 +0000, you wrote:

>I've been out of town for 2 weeks and just now saw the posts re.

>copper. We live in a rural area and use spring water, which goes to

>our barn and house via PVC pipe, but the house is a manufactured home

>so I feel sure some of the pipes are copper. Thanks to Dr. 's

>books, I no longer drink and cook with the house water or use ice

>from the ice maker, which has a copper tube behind the refrig. If

>water drips from faucets within the house for any length of time a

>blue/green stain forms on the porcelain. If water drips into the sink

>in the barn there is no stain, so I carry jugs from the barn to the

>house for drinking and cooking.

>

>As I enjoy research on such things, I looked in my book, Mental and

>Elemental Nutrients by Carl C. Pfeiffer, M.D and Ph.D., which

>includes a chapter called Copper: The Fourth Heavy-Metal Intoxicant

>and another on Zinc. His research shows that the whole human

>populace is borderline deficient in zinc, and that when used with

>vitamin B-6 therapy a number of physical problems have lessened or in

>some cases gone away completely. Eating oysters is not recommended

>because along with the zinc in the oyster there occurs copper in

>large amounts and cadium in great excess if the oyster is grown in

>contaminated waters. Evidently, the amount of zinc is insufficient to

>attack the copper, so there is still an imbalance, especially when

>humans are now deficient in zinc and ingesting between 3 to 5 mg. of

>copper per day rather than the recommended 2 mg. Why?

>

>Dr. Pfeiffer states that serum zinc deficiency and serum copper

>excess have become evident only since the change from galvanized

>water pipes to copper plumbing. Before copper plumbing man obtained

>zinc from zinc-lined water pipes. But with copper plumbing and the

>slight acidity of most drinking water, the excess of copper we are

>getting may be antagonizing the zinc we obtain from food, especially

>if water is pumped from shale or loam. In some areas of New Jersey,

>well water will produce pin holes in copper piping in 10 years time.

>Where does the copper go? Into the drinking water, of course.

>

>Dr. Pfeiffer found that schizophrenic patients excreted less urinary

>copper than normal patients. The liver, via the bile, however, is the

>main route of excretion of excess copper. Liver, whether in humans or

>animals, has the highest copper content, the brain second, and other

>organs and tissues contain much less. Fetal liver at term, contains

>about 7 times as much copper as adult liver and it takes five to 15

>years to bring the level down to the adult level. Since copper is a

>stimulant to the brain, this excess may be a factor in the

>hyperactivity of children. Excess copper may also be a possible cause

>of autism in children. Serum copper is high with use of the birth

>control pill, and the copper level of the heart is higher than normal

>in those dying from heart attacks. Copper is also high in patients

>with high blood pressure and in those who smoke. The smoking woman,

>on oral contraceptives, drinking well water and under stress, which

>dissipates zinc, and has borderline zinc deficiency may have the

>greatest susceptibility to early heart attacks or strokes.

>

>This book was published in 1975, and even in 1956 a study concluded

>that it was extremely unlikely that copper deficiency could occur in

>man, even on suboptimal diets. Since 1975 our food chain has

>continued to decrease in the amount of minerals essential for health,

>including zinc, manganese, molybdenum and pyridoxine (B-6) from

>wheat, while enriching white flour with more iron. More iron without

>zinc and manganese will result in a higher incidence of gray-skinned

>patients. Rather than " enriched " bread, the zinc, manganese and

>magnesium content should be restored to the original level found in

>the wheat grain.

>

>For all the above reasons I must hold with Dr. as to the

>importance of ridding our bodies of excess copper, which I feel is

>very difficult to attain. Dr. Sooley is correct in that a lab test

>would be the way to discover one's copper level, and if he believes a

>red blood cell test is more accurate, I'll go along with that.

>Unfortunately, the usual heavy metal test is only for lead and

>mercury, and one cannot walk into a lab and request any kind of test

>without getting a doctor to order it. If someone has more updated

>info. on copper studies that does not come from the Public Health

>Service (they lie), I would be interested in reading it. There is

>much more in Dr. Pfeiffer's book; I've given only a brief review, so

>hopefully you can find it in your library system. I disagree

>completely with his short chapter on fluoride treatment, however, as

>I disagree with Dr. re. the value of milk.

>

>Yours for better health, Bernice in Oregon, USA

>

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At 06:27 AM 10/24/1999 -0500, you wrote:

>From: Raskin DC <lraskin@...>

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>At 08:51 AM 10/26/1999 -0500, you wrote:

>>From: " R. Sooley, D.C. " <Drgeorge@...>

>>

>>Is Dr. Pfeiffer's book still in print?

>>

>>I forgot to mention hair analysis. If done appropriately, it can yield

>>some good results though it should be interpreted with a degree of

>>skepticism in some cases (the lab analysis provided, in my opinion,

>>stretches a little far).

>>

>>

>

>Dear ,

>

>I have great hesitation about hair analysis. I've seen a high Cu/Zn ratio

>show up in someone we know isn't Cu deficient. Just because Cu doesn't

>show up in the hair doesn't mean the body isn't storing elsewhere. Do you

>agree?

>

>

>

Dear ,

I agree that hair analysis that does not rule out copper toxicity. Hair is

an excretory organ. If the body is not excreting copper because it's

unable or has not been challenged (ie, vit C or some sort of oral or IV

chelation) the hair analysis may not be of benefit.

The patient you said that you " know " isn't Cu defiicient, what sort of

testing did you do to determine that? And are you sure the high Cu/Zn

ratio does not mean that they are severely deficient in Zinc?

I don't view hair analysis as the one and only answer....just as a

screening. And it may help to guide your interpretations. Hair analysis

is only definitive, in my book, when it comes to heavy metals such as lead.

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You wrote: Is Dr. Pfeiffer's book still in print?

I have no idea, Dr. . The Library of Congress Catalog Card

Number is 75-19543 and ISBN is 0-87983-114-6. The publisher is Keats

Publishing, Inc., of New Canaan, Connecticut. He was Director of

Princeton's Brain Bio Center at that time. The book is hard cover

and over 500 pages. On the jacket back it states:

" The Brain Bio Center is a unique research-educational organization

and out-patient clinic for the diagnosis and treatment of specific

biochemical imbalances. The Center's small team of skilled

physicians, research scientists, laboratory technicians and staff

writers cooperate in an effort to provide patients with the best

possible nutritional care and guidance and to advance public

understanding of the biochemistry of physical and mental illness.

Physicians determine patients' individual needs for certain vitamins

and trace elements on the basis of specialized laboratory tests for

biochemical imbalances. Research scientists investigate the action of

essential nutrients in man and the editorial staff prepares

educational material on all aspects of the Center's work. The Brain

Bio Center, located in Princeton, New Jersey, has been in operation

since 1972. It is sponsored by the Schizophrenia Foundation of New

Jersey and the New Jersey Mental Health Research and Development

Fund. "

hmmm... Maybe they have a Web site?

Bernice

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They must be doing something right. Mr Quack himself, Barret, has

something to say about them.

http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/ortho.html

Other hits reveal that Pfeiffer is associated with the Orthomolecular

approach...

http://www.orthomed.org/jom/op76.htm

At 02:50 PM 10/27/1999 +0000, you wrote:

>You wrote: Is Dr. Pfeiffer's book still in print?

>

>I have no idea, Dr. . The Library of Congress Catalog Card

>Number is 75-19543 and ISBN is 0-87983-114-6. The publisher is Keats

>Publishing, Inc., of New Canaan, Connecticut. He was Director of

>Princeton's Brain Bio Center at that time. The book is hard cover

>and over 500 pages. On the jacket back it states:

>

> " The Brain Bio Center is a unique research-educational organization

>and out-patient clinic for the diagnosis and treatment of specific

>biochemical imbalances. The Center's small team of skilled

>physicians, research scientists, laboratory technicians and staff

>writers cooperate in an effort to provide patients with the best

>possible nutritional care and guidance and to advance public

>understanding of the biochemistry of physical and mental illness.

>Physicians determine patients' individual needs for certain vitamins

>and trace elements on the basis of specialized laboratory tests for

>biochemical imbalances. Research scientists investigate the action of

>essential nutrients in man and the editorial staff prepares

>educational material on all aspects of the Center's work. The Brain

>Bio Center, located in Princeton, New Jersey, has been in operation

>since 1972. It is sponsored by the Schizophrenia Foundation of New

>Jersey and the New Jersey Mental Health Research and Development

>Fund. "

>

>hmmm... Maybe they have a Web site?

>

>Bernice

>

>

>

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Gerald F. Sooley, DC

Sooley Chiropractic Health Center

11 E. Fairchild St.

Danville, IL 61832

(217) 431-3290 voice

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P.S.

:

I remember Andy talking about something NOT to do if your kid's copper levels

are high, you need to make sure you know about this, I don't remember, look

in the archives (the new files that were just started) and/or ask Andy again,

he's so good about answering questions again and again for all of us.

Tina

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In a message dated 07/19/2000 12:18:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

TMS1000@... writes:

<< P.S.

:

I remember Andy talking about something NOT to do if your kid's copper

levels

are high, you need to make sure you know about this, I don't remember, look

in the archives (the new files that were just started) and/or ask Andy

again,

he's so good about answering questions again and again for all of us.

Tina >>

Don't use L.A. if copper levels are high. Carole

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<< I remember Andy talking about something NOT to do if your kid's copper

levels

are high, you need to make sure you know about this, I don't remember, look

in the archives (the new files that were just started) and/or ask Andy again,

he's so good about answering questions again and again for all of us. >>

High (as in out of normal range) hair copper means don't use lipoic acid

until you get the copper levels back down.

Andy

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<< The reason I'm asking is what is the " right " chelant for copper? >>

You don't chelate it. You reduce absorption with zinc, molybdenum and

exclusion of high copper foods from the diet.

Andy

[Guest guest]

pumpkin seeds also high in zinc if I remember correctly

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My son also has high copper. Is there something that will help remove it? I

recently found out that pumpkin seeds are high in it....there goes one more

GF/CF treat. Do nuts have copper?? Someone please tell me that pistachio's

don't....that's his best reinforcer at school.

Does anyone know of a food that is high in zinc?

Thanks,

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Nuts have copper :-(

You don't remove copper, you prevent its absorption by giving him LOTS

of zinc. For an adult, 50 mg 4 times a day. Molybdenum also reduces

the effects of copper, say 500 mcg 4 times a day for an adult. Assume

an " adult " weighs 135# and scale by weight more or less.

Andy

> My son also has high copper. Is there something that will help

remove it? I recently found out that pumpkin seeds are high in

it....there goes one more GF/CF treat. Do nuts have copper?? Someone

please tell me that pistachio's don't....that's his best reinforcer at

school.

>

> Does anyone know of a food that is high in zinc?

>

> Thanks,

>

[Guest guest]

Vita-Chart lists the following as sources of copper:

almonds, avocado, brazil nuts, buckwheat, cauliflower, dry split peas,

hazelnuts, lamb chops, legumes, liver, molasses, millet, nuts, organ meats,

raisins, peanuts, pecans, seafood (especially oysters), soybeans, walnuts, and

whole grains

S

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My son also has high copper. Is there something that will help remove it? I

recently found out that pumpkin seeds are high in it....there goes one more

GF/CF treat. Do nuts have copper?? Someone please tell me that pistachio's

don't....that's his best reinforcer at school.

Does anyone know of a food that is high in zinc?

Thanks,

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pumpkins seeds are high in zinc too, which % is more copper or zinc I don't know. I just suppliment with zinc and do not try to remove copper from the diet with things like pumpkin seeds which my son also eats occasionally. I only use citramin II which has no copper , but zinc. kelly

[Guest guest]

My son also has high copper. Is there something that will help remove

it? I recently found out that pumpkin seeds are high in it....there goes

one more GF/CF treat. Do nuts have copper?? Someone please tell me that

pistachio's don't....that's his best reinforcer at school.

Does anyone know of a food that is high in zinc?

Thanks,

Oysters are high in zinc. Also I think pumpkin seeds. I

didn't know pumpkin was also high in copper. I'd try to give zinc

supplement if possible if high in copper.

Bernie

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Dear Tari,

It's my understanding that you don't chelate copper; you interfere with

it's absorption by supplementing with zinc and molybdenum. At the same

time, try and find out the source of the high copper and reduce your child's

exposure.

[ ] copper

> Hi all, I have been searching the archives for info on copper.

> Unfortunately, I wasn't able to find much. Is there anyone out there

> that has had to chelate high levels of copper that can tell me how it

> affects little ones (know it is neuro toxic) and what chelation

> methods you have used. Thanks. Tari Jordan

>

>

> =======================================================

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[Guest guest]

,

What is molybdenum?

Tari

[ ] copper> Hi all, I have been searching the archives for info on copper.> Unfortunately, I wasn't able to find much. Is there anyone out there> that has had to chelate high levels of copper that can tell me how it> affects little ones (know it is neuro toxic) and what chelation> methods you have used. Thanks. Tari Jordan>>> =======================================================>

[Guest guest]

Dear Tari,

it's a mineral. most found in wheat, those children who are off wheat lose a significant source for it. I buy Solgar's; my daughter's been on it for years at a low dose (I low dose everything after upsetting her systems too many times with "typical" doses)

[ ] copper> Hi all, I have been searching the archives for info on copper.> Unfortunately, I wasn't able to find much. Is there anyone out there> that has had to chelate high levels of copper that can tell me how it> affects little ones (know it is neuro toxic) and what chelation> methods you have used. Thanks. Tari Jordan>>> =======================================================>

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> Hi all, I have been searching the archives for info on copper.

Unfortunately, I wasn't able to find much. Is there anyone out there that

has had to chelate high levels of copper that can tell me how it affects

little ones (know it is neuro toxic) and what chelation methods you have

used.

Where did you find high levels of copper? Was it in the hair?

I've heard of a research study conducted at Harvard. They took the academic

bests and subjected them to hair analysis tests.

Those students had high amounts of copper in their hair and somehow, in

error, the researchers decided a diet high in copper promotes better

intellectual abilities.

Later they changed their minds and said it was the body's ability to

detoxify copper out of the brain that had helped those students to become

successful.

I do not know if phatin in brown rice can detoxify copper in particular, but

thought I would share one of my favorite stories in natural medicinal

practices.

When the Americans bombed Hiroshima, nearly all of the hospitals attending

to radioactive patients had great problems with their doctors and nurses

becoming ill from contact with them. A multitude had to leave work due to

nasea, headaches and vomitting and it was a distressful time.

In all of Japan, there was only one hospital wherein none of the doctors and

nurses became ill and no one could understand why.

The government sent researchers to that hospital and after a carefully

detailed examination of their environment, it was disclosed that the only

variable was the fact that hospital cafeteria served brown rice instead of

white.

So researchers took to the study of brown rice. They learned it contained a

molecule called " phatin " and phatin was such a powerful detoxifier that the

doctors and nurses had better immune systems at that time.

It was a little miracle that lead to the introduction of brown rice as a

staple in The Japanese Macrobiotic Diet, said to have cured some forms of

cancer.

I make Lacey's protein shake with homemade brown rice and looking back in a

more educated manner now, I cannot find another reason besides an intensive

gymnastics program geared for autism that could have detoxified the lead

from her brain. (She rendered a 6.2 on her hair analysis and the " norm " in

America is 2.2. While we were caught in an immediate overly-emotional state

to learn she had been lead poisoned, we later realized a 6.2 was a good

thing. It meant the lead had safely left the brain and settled into her

hair.)

Perhaps this story is helpful to some of you.

What I do is put the washed brown rice into a crockpot with an abundant

amount of water. I turn it on in the evenings and the next morning it is

similar to oatmeal, so I serve it as such at that time and place the

remainder in a blender with water or soy milk, some fruits and a protein

amino acid mix, and serve as a shake after school (with her vitamins placed

inside.)

Lacey loves it and it has been convenient to make and to serve. I feel it

just might be helpful and cannot harm them (unless they are allergic to

rice, which seems to be a very slim chance - I've only heard of one person

who is allergic and it was not to brown rice, but to white ... perhaps they

weren't washing the rice, however, as most Americans do not seem to be doing

that like we do in Japan.)

My point is, if the copper was in the hair, I wouldn't worry but instead be

happy!

In any case, perhaps this is helpful. Evidently science is now researching

the phatin molecule in America. Years ago I ran a Medline search and

discovered this to be true.

Minc

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Dear Minc,

Thanks for the reply. My sons copper level was found in the blood.

Thanks, Tari

Re: [ ] copper

----- Original Message -----From: <tjordan@...>> Hi all, I have been searching the archives for info on copper.Unfortunately, I wasn't able to find much. Is there anyone out there thathas had to chelate high levels of copper that can tell me how it affectslittle ones (know it is neuro toxic) and what chelation methods you haveused.Where did you find high levels of copper? Was it in the hair?I've heard of a research study conducted at Harvard. They took the academicbests and subjected them to hair analysis tests.Those students had high amounts of copper in their hair and somehow, inerror, the researchers decided a diet high in copper promotes betterintellectual abilities.Later they changed their minds and said it was the body's ability todetoxify copper out of the brain that had helped those students to becomesuccessful.I do not know if phatin in brown rice can detoxify copper in particular, butthought I would share one of my favorite stories in natural medicinalpractices.When the Americans bombed Hiroshima, nearly all of the hospitals attendingto radioactive patients had great problems with their doctors and nursesbecoming ill from contact with them. A multitude had to leave work due tonasea, headaches and vomitting and it was a distressful time.In all of Japan, there was only one hospital wherein none of the doctors andnurses became ill and no one could understand why.The government sent researchers to that hospital and after a carefullydetailed examination of their environment, it was disclosed that the onlyvariable was the fact that hospital cafeteria served brown rice instead ofwhite.So researchers took to the study of brown rice. They learned it contained amolecule called "phatin" and phatin was such a powerful detoxifier that thedoctors and nurses had better immune systems at that time.It was a little miracle that lead to the introduction of brown rice as astaple in The Japanese Macrobiotic Diet, said to have cured some forms ofcancer.I make Lacey's protein shake with homemade brown rice and looking back in amore educated manner now, I cannot find another reason besides an intensivegymnastics program geared for autism that could have detoxified the leadfrom her brain. (She rendered a 6.2 on her hair analysis and the "norm" inAmerica is 2.2. While we were caught in an immediate overly-emotional stateto learn she had been lead poisoned, we later realized a 6.2 was a goodthing. It meant the lead had safely left the brain and settled into herhair.)Perhaps this story is helpful to some of you.What I do is put the washed brown rice into a crockpot with an abundantamount of water. I turn it on in the evenings and the next morning it issimilar to oatmeal, so I serve it as such at that time and place theremainder in a blender with water or soy milk, some fruits and a proteinamino acid mix, and serve as a shake after school (with her vitamins placedinside.)Lacey loves it and it has been convenient to make and to serve. I feel itjust might be helpful and cannot harm them (unless they are allergic torice, which seems to be a very slim chance - I've only heard of one personwho is allergic and it was not to brown rice, but to white ... perhaps theyweren't washing the rice, however, as most Americans do not seem to be doingthat like we do in Japan.)My point is, if the copper was in the hair, I wouldn't worry but instead behappy!In any case, perhaps this is helpful. Evidently science is now researchingthe phatin molecule in America. Years ago I ran a Medline search anddiscovered this to be true.Minc =======================================================

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From: tjordan

> What is molybdenum?

Molybdenum is the vital nutrient contained in wheat products. When we place our children on a gluten-free diet, it is recommended molybdenum be supplemented.

Molybdenum also serves well to assist healing during bouts of Candida albicans infestation (I like that description better than "infection.") Candida albicans emits aldehydes into the brain.

You can find molybdenum on the shelves of health food stores. Quite possibly you can do some research and find what other food sources contain molybdenum; it's been a long time since I designed Lacey's diet in that fashion - I went to a website that listed the top 10 nutrient-rich foods and made a list of which of those foods Lacey would agree to eat. I'd heard many children were getting better once liver was introduced into the diet and later learned why - it is nutrient-rich and in some cases pernicious anemia (iron deficiency of the brain, not the body) was involved.

Everyone absorbs nutrients easier from foods rather than supplements, which is why a close watch on the nutrient intake within the dietary protocol is rather important.

Other countries that have healthier populations as a whole, do not take vitamin supplements as a rule and the diet in America has led towards various illnesses plus the foods are in many cases carrying a level of contamination by heavy metals and the like.

Some other countries such as Japan do not ingest large amounts of wheat products but then we do not know whether they are eating Candida albicans or not, so it is difficult to say why America suffers so much.

I have not heard from cases wherein a parent suspected molybdenum supplementation was harmful.

Minc

[Guest guest]

Hi all, I have been searching the archives for info on copper.

Unfortunately, I wasn't able to find much. Is there anyone out there

that has had to chelate high levels of copper that can tell me how it

affects little ones (know it is neuro toxic) and what chelation

methods you have used. Thanks. Tari Jordan

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Zinc is an antagonist of copper and mercury, so zinc

supplementation brings down copper levels. Levels should be monitored

occassionally for both.

Bernie

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> Andy/others,

> Is a mineral supplement which has2.65 mg of copper per serving a bad

> idea?

Yes. that is too much copper.

>I am waiting for our protocol from Dr. Amy and had been using

> these in the past.

> Cece