Guest guest Posted February 12, 2003 Report Share Posted February 12, 2003 If I was you, I would stay away from the copper bowl. Dagmar. [ ] copper Does anyone know that if I were to dehydrate fruit on my own would that lessen the copper content of the dried fruit compared to store bought dried fruit? I'm trying to reduce copper levels, but would like to give dried fruit I can trust. Also, kind of a dumb question but...if I were to beat eggs in a copper bowl would that increase the copper content too much? Someone mentioned to me that mixing eggs in a copper bowl changes them in such a way that my son may be able to tolerate them. (You know, like when you beat egg whites in a copper bowl that makes them peak better, right?) Thanks, Amy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2003 Report Share Posted February 12, 2003 zinc and molybdenum reduce copper. zinc to the extent that it is one of limitations of taking to much zinc is an easy reduction of copper. --- In , " Dagmar " <dagmarjahr@e...> wrote: > If I was you, I would stay away from the copper bowl. > > Dagmar. > [ ] copper > > > Does anyone know that if I were to dehydrate fruit on my own would > that lessen the copper content of the dried fruit compared to store > bought dried fruit? I'm trying to reduce copper levels, but would > like to give dried fruit I can trust. Also, kind of a dumb question > but...if I were to beat eggs in a copper bowl would that increase the > copper content too much? Someone mentioned to me that mixing eggs in > a copper bowl changes them in such a way that my son may be able to > tolerate them. (You know, like when you beat egg whites in a copper > bowl that makes them peak better, right?) > Thanks, > Amy > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2003 Report Share Posted February 15, 2003 With all this talk about elevated copper, one must keep in mind that copper and zinc are acute phase reactants (See Maes, et al ?1997) i.e. copper is elevated and zinc is low when there is inflammation. The same picture is present in major depression. This may indicate that one way to reduce copper is to treat inflammation. This could be for example in the gastrointestinal tract (See Wakefield et al). Ken Sokolski Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2003 Report Share Posted February 27, 2003 > Has anyone had their kids test come back saying they are deficient in > copper. Oddly enough, my son has had 2 test say that! Pfeiffer says he has > free copper, but Great Smokies (with 2 different tests) says he needs it. Hi , Yes, my son had two hair tests (a year apart) and both showed him to be quite low on copper (and zinc too, but he had more zinc than copper). Up until recently, I had just been ignoring his low copper, since I had heard so many bad things about copper. While looking for another book at the book store, I ran across a book aimed at helping kids with ADD via nutritional means. One thing that the book suggested was that you supplement with copper IF, and ONLY IF, you have a hair test come back that shows low copper. So...I decided to give copper supplementation a try. He's only had two copper pills so far....but today he had the best homeschool session he has ever had!! It may have had nothing to do with the copper though. I have also been doing other things, such as giving him more protein at breakfast (another recommendation of that book) and just did a two day intensive bug attack with olive leaf extract and monolaurin and garlic, followed by a day of heavy probiotics (that was yesterday). So who knows why he did better today! If I could locate the ADD book, I'd give you it's name. lol If anyone wants the name, write me privately and I'll see if I can find it. Oh, by the way, I don't intend to supplement with copper for long, without first running more tests to see what's happening. I sure don't want to overdo it!!!! Does anyone here know what role an appropriate amount of copper plays in the body? Janiece Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2003 Report Share Posted March 8, 2003 > Has anyone had their kids test come back saying they are deficient in > copper. Oddly enough, my son has had 2 test say that! Pfeiffer says he has > free copper, but Great Smokies (with 2 different tests) says he needs it. > Thanks, > Larson It is impossible to give intelligent answers to questions like this wihtout knowing WHAT test it was, and what the numerical results, reference ranges, age and sex of the kid, etc. were. Andy . . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2003 Report Share Posted March 20, 2003 In a message dated 20/03/2003 14:36:02 GMT Standard Time, Jacquiec1@... writes: > How do you chelate excess copper? > Zinc and or Molybedum (sp?) supplementation. Check out http://www.hriptc.org/ Pfeiffer have found very high number of kids with zinc/copper inbalance HTH Mandi in UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2003 Report Share Posted March 20, 2003 Very useful. Thanks again. J In a message dated 3/20/2003 9:55:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, Mum231ASD@... writes: > http://www.hriptc.org/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2003 Report Share Posted March 20, 2003 > > How do you chelate excess copper? > > > > Zinc and or Molybedum (sp?) supplementation. Check out http://www. hriptc.org/ > Pfeiffer have found very high number of kids with zinc/copper inbalance I agree with the zinc and moly comment. Also reduce intake of dietary copper by restricting/limiting amounts of nuts and organ meats. Also check ALL supplements for copper (some contain it). Pfeiffer's zinc/copper is not the same as high HAIR copper. I am commenting on what to do about HIGH HAIR COPPER. I do NOT believe this applies to zinc/copper ratio, or blood copper or anything else. best wishes, Moria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2003 Report Share Posted March 20, 2003 > > > How do you chelate excess copper? you might also look into " ammonium tetrathiomolybdate " - this seems to be the only effective copper chelator out there - but is so new it's probably not even available... it has been used in cases of s disease (Copper loading disease). good luck, Oliver. ps. - I'd recommend you make sure you have a copper problem before looking at options like this...my hair copper was very high, and andy even suggested I had a copper problem - but after sweat tests, and metal sensitivity tests it looks like that was way off the mark... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2003 Report Share Posted March 21, 2003 What's the difference between high HAIR copper and high blood copper? I mean the significance of how to chelate by supplementation for this. I guess I'm confused, my dd has high blood copper, we never did the hair test. Karyn [ ] Re: copper > > How do you chelate excess copper? > > > > Zinc and or Molybedum (sp?) supplementation. Check out http://www. hriptc.org/ > Pfeiffer have found very high number of kids with zinc/copper inbalance I agree with the zinc and moly comment. Also reduce intake of dietary copper by restricting/limiting amounts of nuts and organ meats. Also check ALL supplements for copper (some contain it). Pfeiffer's zinc/copper is not the same as high HAIR copper. I am commenting on what to do about HIGH HAIR COPPER. I do NOT believe this applies to zinc/copper ratio, or blood copper or anything else. best wishes, Moria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2003 Report Share Posted May 13, 2003 > Does anyone see a copper imbalance in their autistic > children. Does anyoen know what causes it or how to > help normalize it? For many kids, copper is high. Adding zinc will help lower it. Also remove foods high in copper, scroll down this page for a list http://www.danasview.net/metals.htm Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 Per Dr. Walsh, Pfeiffer Clinic, copper levels in the water supply are 4x greater than they have been in recent years (introduction of copper pipes?). Many Autistic kids have Metallothionein (MT) dysfunction. MT is a family of cysteine-rich proteins which, among other things, regulate copper, bind metals like mercury, carry zinc and protect the body against oxidative stress. When MT activity is weak, the MT doesn't properly bind the copper. Excess copper depletes zinc (copper binds to zinc 1:1), casein and gluten are unable to be broken down, there is hypersensitivity to mercury, and weakened immune system. Copper binds to zinc. If you have more copper than zinc, the copper will bind to all of the zinc, rendering it useless. 3/4 of MT is found in the GI tract. When there is little MT in the gut, there is increased levels of Copper, Lead, Mercury, etc. which can disable enzymes that break down casein and gluten. Hope that helps and doesn't cause greater confusion. My head is still spinning from Saturday's conference! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2004 Report Share Posted September 29, 2004 > Hi all, can someone please explain how a child could come to have > high copper levels, I know it may sound silly but where does it come > from? Check here for sources of copper http://www.danasview.net/metals.htm Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2004 Report Share Posted September 29, 2004 Hi Vicky. My 3 year old son has very high copper. We took him to the Pfeiffer Treatment Center this summer. They sent us some info on copper when we received his test results. According to the info sheet, copper exposure can be from: vitamins and enriched foods that contain copper; elevated copper in water supply (in our town the county's last water test showed high levels but still within ok range - our son now drinks purified water); treated swimming pools and Jacuzzis due to copper sulfate anti-algae chemicals; and carob. Stacie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2005 Report Share Posted January 29, 2005 Doctor's Data has a water testing kit that is very reasonably priced. Mark Schauss, MBA, DB www.carbonbased.com [ ] copper Does anybody know how you can test your drinking water for copper? I seem to remember that this is quite easy, but have forgotten how you do it. Thank you for any information, Dagmar. ---------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.4 - Release Date: 25/01/2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2005 Report Share Posted January 29, 2005 I just order a water test from DDI on Friday. The prices are: $99.00 for 17 metals $129.00 for 17 metals and fluoride [ ] copper Does anybody know how you can test your drinking water for copper? I seem to remember that this is quite easy, but have forgotten how you do it. Thank you for any information, Dagmar. ---------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.4 - Release Date: 25/01/2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2005 Report Share Posted January 29, 2005 Or add ammonia to the water and if it turns blue there is copper. Andy C told me this. Because copper + ammonia = blue (just like windex). However, I don't know the tolerance levels. Maureen On Jan 29, 2005, at 12:59 PM, wrote: > Subject: RE: copper > > I just order a water test from DDI on Friday. The prices are: > $99.00 for 17 metals > $129.00 for 17 metals and fluoride Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2005 Report Share Posted January 29, 2005 wow...i was wondering about this. thanks. i asume that you can just buy it without an Rx? Karin > I just order a water test from DDI on Friday. The prices are: > $99.00 for 17 metals > $129.00 for 17 metals and fluoride > > > > [ ] copper > > > > Does anybody know how you can test your drinking water for copper? I seem to > remember that this is quite easy, but have forgotten how you do it. > > Thank you for any information, > > Dagmar. > ---------- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.4 - Release Date: 25/01/2005 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2005 Report Share Posted January 29, 2005 Yes, just call DDI directly. I paid with a credit card over the phone. [ ] copper > > > > Does anybody know how you can test your drinking water for copper? I seem to > remember that this is quite easy, but have forgotten how you do it. > > Thank you for any information, > > Dagmar. > ---------- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.4 - Release Date: 25/01/2005 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2005 Report Share Posted November 27, 2005 > > Hello, I won't be getting a hair test before i start chelation with > the ALA alone so I was wondering if they can just do a blood test to > see if his copper is too high. No. Just chelate. > I was also wanting to know how do you > tell if the child is having trouble with yeast. Thanks Jen > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 > > Hello, I won't be getting a hair test before i start chelation with > the ALA alone so I was wondering if they can just do a blood test to > see if his copper is too high. You can if you want. Or give a little zinc and see if you notice any improvements. >> I was also wanting to know how do you > tell if the child is having trouble with yeast. Info here http://www.danasview.net/yeast.htm Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 > > Hello, I won't be getting a hair test before i start chelation with > the ALA alone so I was wondering if they can just do a blood test to > see if his copper is too high. blood tests will NOT tell you if a person is copper toxic. This is NOT an alternative to a hair test, if you are looking for whether copper toxicity is an issue -- which I assume you are, due to the connection to ALA in the question. Copper toxicity is much rarer than mercury poisoning. I'm sort of surprised you'd rather have a blood test than hair--- since I try to avoid blood draws -- so hair seems " easy " to me, but to each their own. good wishes, Moria I was also wanting to know how do you > tell if the child is having trouble with yeast. Thanks Jen > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 > > > > Hello, I won't be getting a hair test before i start chelation > with > > the ALA alone so I was wondering if they can just do a blood test > to > > see if his copper is too high. > > blood tests will NOT tell you if a person is copper toxic. > This is NOT an alternative to a hair test, if you are > looking for whether copper toxicity is an issue -- which > I assume you are, due to the connection to ALA in the > question. > > Copper toxicity is much rarer than mercury poisoning. > > I'm sort of surprised you'd rather have a blood test than > hair--- since I try to avoid blood draws -- so hair seems > " easy " to me, but to each their own. > > good wishes, > Moria > > > Yes that is correct, I just wanted to make sure it wasn't going to do any damage when I start the ALA. And yes I would rather not put him through the blood draw, but he has to have blood drawn for some other tests he already has scheduled so I was just going to ask them to test for copper if that is an option. I am steering away from the hair test because I want to get started now and I really want to chelate no matter what the hair tests says. So is it very seldom that a child would have enough copper toxicity that would cause a problem with chelating with ALA? > >Jen > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 > > > > Hello, I won't be getting a hair test before i start chelation with > > the ALA alone so I was wondering if they can just do a blood test to > > see if his copper is too high. > > > You can if you want. Or give a little zinc and see if you notice any > improvements. > > > >> Dana thanks, I just want to be double check, Is it ok to give the GSE at the same time as the ALA, or do I only give it to him on his off days. Jen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 If it were me, I would at least make sure to use molybdenum and zinc, 3 times/day to make sure you are reducing the risk. That is, of course, unless there are reasons not to use them. Anne > > > > > > Hello, I won't be getting a hair test before i start chelation > > with > > > the ALA alone so I was wondering if they can just do a blood test > > to > > > see if his copper is too high. > > > > blood tests will NOT tell you if a person is copper toxic. > > This is NOT an alternative to a hair test, if you are > > looking for whether copper toxicity is an issue -- which > > I assume you are, due to the connection to ALA in the > > question. > > > > Copper toxicity is much rarer than mercury poisoning. > > > > I'm sort of surprised you'd rather have a blood test than > > hair--- since I try to avoid blood draws -- so hair seems > > " easy " to me, but to each their own. > > > > good wishes, > > Moria > > > > > > Yes that is correct, I just wanted to make sure it wasn't going > to do any damage when I start the ALA. And yes I would rather not > put him through the blood draw, but he has to have blood drawn for > some other tests he already has scheduled so I was just going to ask > them to test for copper if that is an option. I am steering away > from the hair test because I want to get started now and I really > want to chelate no matter what the hair tests says. So is it very > seldom that a child would have enough copper toxicity that would > cause a problem with chelating with ALA? > > >Jen > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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