Grapefruit seed extract

[Guest guest]

I bought GSE the other day and it was in capsule form. My son will take

ANYTHING in a capsule but nothing in a tincture or powder, etc.

I haven't tried it yet -- I just added flax seed oil to his regimen and

want to watch him on that for a while first.

Suzanne

[Guest guest]

rheumatic grapefruit seed extract

>From: cee@...

>

>Has anyone tried this for rheumatic problems. It is supposed to be highly

effective

>antibiotic. Thanks Corine from Tulsa

>

Hi Corine...

I've never heard of grapefruit seed extract! Grapeseed extract is pretty

popular ( though the way I understand it you need know what color grapes it

comes from for most benefits), and grape skin extract. There is a grapefruit

supplement using pectin obtained from grapefruit pulp - helps with dieting, and

cholesterol.

I do have a grapefruit every day at breakfast. Heard or read somewhere that it

helps with inflammation...and if it doesn't, I'll settle for the

heart/cholesterol benefits. I do the Ruby Reds...sweet and juicy.

I tried grapeseed extract for about 3 months - figuring that you need to give

most things at least 6 weeks to kick in - and felt no difference in pain level

or inflammation. Hurt my pocket book though - that stuff is expensive!!!

Am curious as to what others have to say about this - grapefruit seeds...learn

something new every day!

Be well,

>

>---------------------------

[Guest guest]

, several years before I was diagnosed with RA, etc., I had been on heavy

duty antibiotics for about two years for a TMJ infection which spread up into my

head. . Apparently they knocked out my immune system, caused me to have

terrible chronic fatigue, and nothing seemed to help. A new friend recommended

I get a copy of Dr. Crook's book, " Chronic Fatigue & the Yeast

Connection. " (Latest book by him, originally a pediatric allergist, is " The

Yeast Connection and The Woman " -- with several chapters on different autoimmune

diseases.)

Both books could have been written about my symptoms. In the book, Dr. Crook

gave a detailed list of supplements to use for yeast overgrowth and chronic

fatigue. Among these were capryllic acid and grapefruit seed extract. It was

amazing how well these worked for clearing out the problems in my head. As I

increased the dosage, I had more and more clearance of the problems. I used the

NOW brand, about $5.50 per bottle. It's pretty potent and bitter, but if you

put it in 3-4 ounces of V-8 Mild Picante, it's ok. I started at 5 drops of the

extract and gradually worked up to 15 drops daily. I've read recently that you

should not eat grapefruit close to your meds, as it may block absorption. This

may also be true of the grapefruit seed extract -- I don't know.

When the resulting detoxifying began causing me to have bouts of chills and

fever (ironically during the night -- guess that's when we do the most

cleansing), I cut back to see if there was any correlation. Bingo! Less

drainage. And Bingo! fewer chills and fever. So, I found it to be a great way

to clear up problems in the head and sinuses, as well as being effective for

yeast overgrowth. My husband had always had bad sinus problems. He was so

impressed, he started using it, too, and it helped him tremendously for that.

In the book, Dr. Crook quoted Dr. Leo Galland as saying about treating yeast

overgrowth, " ...nystatin or citrus seed extract, an agent that I've found very

helpful and equally as effective as nystatin. Dr. Crook also said it was very

effective against different kinds of parasites in the gastrointestinal tract.

This is a lot of explanation, but I feel strongly that it was one of the

supplements from which I got some of my best results. I would rate Dr. Crook's

books all with 5 stars when it comes to helpful information for regaining our

health. He feels there is a connection between these intestinal problems and

most of the autoimmune diseases.

Enough already! Billie

rheumatic grapefruit seed extract

>From: cee@...

>

>Has anyone tried this for rheumatic problems. It is supposed to be highly

effective

>antibiotic. Thanks Corine from Tulsa

>

Hi Corine...

I've never heard of grapefruit seed extract! Grapeseed extract is pretty

popular ( though the way I understand it you need know what color grapes it

comes from for most benefits), and grape skin extract. There is a grapefruit

supplement using pectin obtained from grapefruit pulp - helps with dieting, and

cholesterol.

I do have a grapefruit every day at breakfast. Heard or read somewhere that

it helps with inflammation...and if it doesn't, I'll settle for the

heart/cholesterol benefits. I do the Ruby Reds...sweet and juicy.

I tried grapeseed extract for about 3 months - figuring that you need to

give most things at least 6 weeks to kick in - and felt no difference in pain

level or inflammation. Hurt my pocket book though - that stuff is expensive!!!

Am curious as to what others have to say about this - grapefruit

seeds...learn something new every day!

Be well,

>

>---------------------------

[Guest guest]

Liz, the Essential Oil I mentioned for fungas, the Tea Tree Oil, is also

for ringworm, candida etc. You might try that.

> [Original Message]

> From: Liz G. <pioneer@...>

> <rheumaticonelist>

> Date: 3/31/00 2:03:52 PM

> Subject: rheumatic grapefruit seed extract

>

> Anyone have any tips about brands and dosages for grapefruit seed

extract?

> The rash on my arms did not respond well to nizoral cream, but is

responding

> to econazole cream. I notice though that yeast responds to these as well,

> so I want to do a course of anti-yeast treatment " just in case " it is not

> ringworm, but yeast rash. Any tips you can offer would be appreciated.

> Liz G

>

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> Can someone out there tell me what GSE is used for? I had read

that it

> helps with yeast? Fill me in please.

>

> -Thanks in Advance!!!!

>

> B

Yes, yeast. Anti-fungal meds are harder on the liver, or children

don't react well to them. Don't know too much more other than that.

[Guest guest]

Click on this website. It will tell you more than you ever wanted to

know about GSE.

Jules

http://www.nutriteam.com/index2.html

> Can someone out there tell me what GSE is used for? I had read

that it

> helps with yeast? Fill me in please.

>

> -Thanks in Advance!!!!

>

> B

[Guest guest]

This site states:

Grapefruit Extract(GSE) is made by first converting grapefruit seeds and

pulp into a very acidic liquid.

This liquid is loaded with polyphenolic compounds...

I am wondering about these polyphenolic compounds, are they different from

phenols that so many ASD kids have problems with?

Tana

> -----Original Message-----

> From: geordie90631 [mailto:rjhickey2002@...]

>

> Click on this website. It will tell you more than you ever wanted to

> know about GSE.

>

> Jules

>

> http://www.nutriteam.com/index2.html

>

[Guest guest]

> I am wondering about these polyphenolic compounds, are they

different from

> phenols that so many ASD kids have problems with?

>

> Tana

>

GSE is high phenol. After several rounds of ALA chelation, my son no

longer has a problem with phenols, but if your child does, then you

would want to start with 1-2 drops of GSE in the morning, and see how

your child reacts to it.

http://www.autismchannel.net/dana/yeast.htm

Dana

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your answer, I have no idea if she has problems with phenols, she

has such a limited appetite it is hard to tell if there is an issue with

many things. She does drink apple juice and does not *seem* to have a

problem. Will a mild flavored juice such as apple mask it? I cannot give it

to her straight, that is one of my major concerns with all supplements and

meds, getting them into her. She does not trust meds and won't eat anything

very strong flavored that I could sneak stuff into.

Thanks again,

Tana

> -----Original Message-----

> From: danaatty [mailto:danaatty@...]

>

>

> GSE is high phenol. After several rounds of ALA chelation, my son no

> longer has a problem with phenols, but if your child does, then you

> would want to start with 1-2 drops of GSE in the morning, and see how

> your child reacts to it.

>

> http://www.autismchannel.net/dana/yeast.htm

>

> Dana

[Guest guest]

> Thanks for your answer, I have no idea if she has problems with

phenols, she

> has such a limited appetite it is hard to tell if there is an issue

with

> many things. She does drink apple juice and does not *seem* to have

a

> problem. Will a mild flavored juice such as apple mask it?

It tastes very strongly of grapefruit or other citrus. Best to hide

it in something strong like orange juice or peanut butter [both of

which are also high phenol LOL], or something with lemon in it. You

can give it to her in water if she likes that, tell her it is " lemon

water " if that would work, because it will taste very strongly like

lemon water.

> I cannot

give it

> to her straight,

I mix it with honey for my kids, then spread the mix onto a rice

cracker. No, you should NOT give it straight, it is VERY strong and

might even burn her mouth.

that is one of my major concerns with all

supplements and

> meds, getting them into her. She does not trust meds and won't eat

anything

> very strong flavored that I could sneak stuff into.

I never advocate " sneaking " anything to a child, because the child

does lose trust, altho it does work for some kids. All my kids get

their supplements mixed into honey, and they know it has " stuff " in

it, but they are required to eat it before meals, so they are okay

with that. They have never really been non-compliant tho, so I don't

know about kids who are, but whatever works for your child is best for

her.

Dana

[Guest guest]

GSE slows down liver phase 1 metabolism (which is why it affects

levels of drugs like SSRI's).

For people in whom this is already slow they can be pretty miserable

on it when their liver shuts down and lets certain things build up

that phase 1 removes. People who are normal or fast are fine.

For those who may be slow but need to use it, avoid anything strongly

flavored, and all spices and you do a bit better.

Andy

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[Guest guest]

Thank you for this. I have been frequently asked this question, and

now I have answers to post for people on several message boards.

I am also glad to learn that my kids' livers are probably doing just

fine, because they do fine with GSE.

=)

Dana

--- In @y..., " andrewhallcutler " <AndyCutler@a...>

wrote:

> GSE slows down liver phase 1 metabolism (which is why it affects

> levels of drugs like SSRI's).

>

> For people in whom this is already slow they can be pretty miserable

> on it when their liver shuts down and lets certain things build up

> that phase 1 removes. People who are normal or fast are fine.

>

> For those who may be slow but need to use it, avoid anything

strongly

> flavored, and all spices and you do a bit better.

>

> Andy

> cw

>

> ew

> we

> ew

> e

[Guest guest]

> Hi all,

>

> We had finish with Nystatin and is now on GSE. I am using

Nutribiotic

> GSE, 2 drops 2x daily but don't see much result. I am wondering do

> these 2 drops really mix with the juice or it might stick to the

cup!

When I put the GSE into a glass of water for myself, I have noticed

that the drops sink right to the bottom and stick there. So I use a

baby spoon and mix it up really well.

I also have to give No-Fenol along with the GSE for my kids, because

they don't tolerate GSE except with No-Fenol. The combination is

awesome tho!

Dana

[Guest guest]

Dana's input about gse has made a tremendous difference in my son who

is 5. When I first began the No-Fenol w/o gse he was bouncing off

the walls. His yeast issues have hindered his gains in using the

enzymes before No-Fenol. Since I started using the No-Fenol with the

gse ZP & Pep at all meals and snacks, he is making remarkable gains

because he is better able to focus. I have not been staying on the

diet and most things with the enzymes don't bother him except soy. I

don't use full capsules all the time. A lot of times I break them in

half.

Like Dana said " the combination is awesome " (gse & No-Fenol)

I think she is right!

Hope this helps someone else.

Thanks Dana,

Sally

> > Hi all,

> >

> > We had finish with Nystatin and is now on GSE. I am using

> Nutribiotic

> > GSE, 2 drops 2x daily but don't see much result. I am wondering

do

> > these 2 drops really mix with the juice or it might stick to the

> cup!

>

>

> When I put the GSE into a glass of water for myself, I have noticed

> that the drops sink right to the bottom and stick there. So I use

a

> baby spoon and mix it up really well.

>

> I also have to give No-Fenol along with the GSE for my kids,

because

> they don't tolerate GSE except with No-Fenol. The combination is

> awesome tho!

>

> Dana

[Guest guest]

>

> Listmates,

> My son is having some " yeast " behaviors lately and I wan to try the

> GSE for this. My local HFS only sells tablets, is this the same as

> the liquid.

I have never used anything other than the liquid, but I believe other

forms would be similar.

If it is the same as the liquid, how do you dose it when

> from what I understand, GSE liquid is given in terms of drops per

> day. My son is 10 and weight 140 lbs.

My bottle says one drop = 10 mg

Child dose = 1-3 drops, 1-2 times per day

Adult dose = 5-15 drops, 1-3 times per day

So you can choose something in the middle there, because your child is

somewhere in the middle.

Dana

[Guest guest]

FWIW: I switched from using GSE to using Oil of Oregano. Ethan

tolerates it better. With GSE, he would get red ears and a funny

look in his eye (phenol) and he does better with OoO and I find that

I don't have to use as much OoO as I did with GSE. Which is good,

because OoO is very expensive (we paid 29 for a little bottle).

W

[Guest guest]

>

> Listmates,

> My son is having some " yeast " behaviors lately and I wan to try

the

> GSE for this. My local HFS only sells tablets, is this the same as

> the liquid. If it is the same as the liquid, how do you dose it

when

> from what I understand, GSE liquid is given in terms of drops per

> day. My son is 10 and weight 140 lbs.

>

> Thanks for the help Patti

It is my opinion that the liquid is much stronger than the tablets.

I have patients put drops of the liquid into empty gel caps since it

tastes so bad. It also discolors the teeth if put in water or juice,

which is how it is recommended to be taken on the bottle. You must

have him drink at least 8 oz of water at the time he takes it. It

will cause some wicked heartburn if he doesn't.

I can personally take three really large gel caps full of GSE at one

time (which is about 60 drops) if I take about 16 oz of water with

it. The more you take of it, the faster it kills yeast. However, I

don't ever recommend anyone just take a lot of it to start. You have

to start with the 1-3 drops and slowly increase by one drop each dose

to see how much your stomach can handle. Each person's tolerance is

different.

Andy says GSE blocks (Phase 1, I think) liver detox. If he is on any

prescription medications, that could definitely mean he, or any one

else, shouldn't go real heavy on GSE.

Trudeau, D.C.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/26/2002 10:44:44 PM Central Standard Time,

chrissiburg@... writes:

> I went to buy the GSE for my 3 yr old today and they told me that I would

> never

> be able to get a three year old to take it. I tasted it and I agree, it is

> a very

> revolting taste.

> How do you get children to take it?

>

I have easily been able to get my son, 5, to eat it mixed into baby food

fruit in a jar. Remember, you only need to use a very few drops. Usually I

mix 1-4 drops into 1/3 of a jar of pear baby food and have no problem with

getting my son to eat it. Peach sauce masks the taste better, but we have to

stick with lower phenol foods. If phenols aren't a problem, you might try

peach sauce. Can hardly taste it in there. (That's how I take it.)

Debbie

[Guest guest]

Sam (5) takes his a small cup of watered down pineapple, with sprinkle No

Fenol and half a Peptizyde. On the occasions I went to 2 drops I added some

Glycine, apparently it has sweet taste the idea being to counteract the sour

Mandi in UK

> > I went to buy the GSE for my 3 yr old today and they told me that I would

> > never

> > be able to get a three year old to take it. I tasted it and I agree, it

> is

> > a very

> > revolting taste.

> > How do you get children to take it?

> >

>

> I have easily been able to get my son, 5, to eat it mixed into baby food

> fruit in a jar. Remember, you only need to use a very few drops. Usually I

> mix 1-4 drops into 1/3 of a jar of pear baby food and have no problem with

> getting my son to eat it. Peach sauce masks the taste better, but we have

> to

> stick with lower phenol foods. If phenols aren't a problem, you might try

> peach sauce. Can hardly taste it in there. (That's how I take it.)

> Debbie

[Guest guest]

Yes, grapeFRUIT seed. I often diluted it in a glass of water for myself.

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In a message dated 12/26/2002 11:44:20 PM Eastern Standard Time,

chrissiburg@... writes:

<< went to buy the GSE for my 3 yr old today and they told me that I would

never

be able to get a three year old to take it. I tasted it and I agree, it is

a very

revolting taste.

How do you get children to take it? >>

You could try Vitamin Research Products. They sell a powdered form in a

capsule. Maybe you could hide some sprinkles of powder in something better

than the bitter oil.

[Guest guest]

> my daughter is 2 nadn takes it just fine. i dilute it in juice, if you can

hide it in foods as well. you will start out w/very low dose so it should be

easy to hide. I agree, the more you use, the harder it will be to hide.

Hopefully, you won't have to use much of it.

Karyn

> From: " nz_mummy <chrissiburg@...> " <chrissiburg@...>

> Date: 2002/12/26 Thu PM 11:43:30 EST

>

> Subject: [ ] Grapefruit Seed Extract

>

>

[Guest guest]

> I went to buy the GSE for my 3 yr old today and they told me that I

would never

> be able to get a three year old to take it

My 3yo has no problems with it. I mix a drop into honey and spread

the mixture onto a cracker.

> By the way it is Grapefruit Extract not Grape Seed Extract I should

be getting?

GrapeFRUIT seed extract for yeast.

Dana

http://www.danasview.net/

[Guest guest]

> I went to a local 'alternative' vitamin/supplement store and asked

> about grapefruit seed extract. I'm trying to see if my son's

> aggression is due to yeast. There were 3 types of GSE and I brought

> two to the front (one pill, one uses 'drops') and asked which would be

> best for a 4 year old. The woman looked at me, horrified, and said

> that GSE was extremely potent and was used for abortions in the past.

> She thought it would be crazy to give to a 4 year old.

Ask for references on where she learned that info. I have never heard

of that before.

[is your 4yo pregnant?]

It *is* potent, which is why you want to start with one drop in the

morning, to see how your child reacts. However, I used it for my #4

when she was age 2-1/2 without problems. I have had no problems with

it for any of my kids, except it will tend to cause bad bacteria

issues if given when there is no yeast.

Good luck.

Dana

[Guest guest]

> > I went to a local 'alternative' vitamin/supplement store and asked

> > about grapefruit seed extract. I'm trying to see if my son's

> > aggression is due to yeast. There were 3 types of GSE and I brought

> > two to the front (one pill, one uses 'drops') and asked which would be

> > best for a 4 year old. The woman looked at me, horrified, and said

> > that GSE was extremely potent and was used for abortions in the past.

> > She thought it would be crazy to give to a 4 year old.

>

>

> Ask for references on where she learned that info. I have never heard

> of that before.

>

> [is your 4yo pregnant?]

>

> It *is* potent, which is why you want to start with one drop in the

> morning, to see how your child reacts. However, I used it for my #4

> when she was age 2-1/2 without problems. I have had no problems with

> it for any of my kids, except it will tend to cause bad bacteria

> issues if given when there is no yeast.

>

> Good luck.

>

> Dana

I just wanted to see what other people thought. She was even jumpy

about garlic -- it was too potent and could lower his blood pressure

over 10 points. The bottle that used drops had a " for children "

suggested dose but it was older children.