Guest guest Posted January 14, 2002 Report Share Posted January 14, 2002 Andy, >You still are trapped in the fallacy that a complicated >literature is scientific, and are so overwhelmed with the complicated >literature that you haven't made observations or talked to people. Andy, I have been conversing with, learning from, and listening to parents of autistic children for seven years, since my daughter's problems sent me to internet lists to find resources. A lot of our children who were toddlers then are getting close to puberty now, and we've " grown up " together, so I'm one of the old folks. I went back to graduate school to learn how to help my daughter, so my prejudices as a parent flavored my approach to what I learned in school, not vice versa! Almost everything I've learned (except what I learned in classes) began from listening to parents, but I found it necessary to go went back into the literature to listen some more: to see if I could find explanations for what all these observant people had noticed. My presumption has been that I would have a better crack at understanding things if I learned as much as possible from MANY other people. That includes people who publish their work in peer-reviewed journals. My only beef with them is that sometimes they narrow the focus of their work too quickly, and don't know enough about other fields to perceive their own work's usefulness. Anyway, I didn't know about the problem of " unapplied findings " until I started discovering this myself, (as you have regarding amalgam/mercury literature) but it did not take me long in school to become shocked at what was not being included in graduate classes in biology and neuroscience. I decided to learn more about this whole research process in a different sort of course I took in graduate school. In this class, I read a lot of scholarly work about the process, politics and funding of medical research and found that some " inside auditing " has determined that the vast majority of the articles in peer-reviewed journals has been ignored. The quantity of this lost information is vast and in the same quagmire as the observations of parents and patients when their observations don't fit the prevailing model. All of this lost information is an awful waste of human effort. The scholars who have studied this phenomenon say that the only literature that gets noticed is the work of star scientists who set the curriculum for what people outside their fields will learn. They are the ones who write the textbooks that everyone else reads. The rest of the work, the work of the majority of the scientists, is considered unimportant and is left behind, as if it had never happened. I think it's pretty certain that this " dismissal " of other people's work probably comes from people who feel they are at the " top " of their fields, and believe their training is complete and that there is nothing else very important to learn. They believe they have seen enough of the whole picture that nothing else could be important, or else they would have embraced it themselves.. I've just been " brought up " differently, since I approached all this FIRST as a parent. My own experience has persuaded me that there will always be something new to learn. Surely things look more complicated on this " upside " of the learning curve, but i expect it will become simpler as we learn more about how all the parts relate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2002 Report Share Posted January 14, 2002 , you have made an important observation. Proven test information and results that have been rechecked by the " experts " and duplicated many times are then published to gather dust and if noted will be in the next text book printing in 7 to who knows how many years as it takes about 7 years for information to be published. Bottom line, those working hands on KNOW more about what is happening than the professionals unless the professionals have been talking and working with such cases and not let the text book get in the way. C. W. Re: [ ] Re: sulfur Andy, >You still are trapped in the fallacy that a complicated >literature is scientific, and are so overwhelmed with the complicated >literature that you haven't made observations or talked to people. Andy, I have been conversing with, learning from, and listening to parents of autistic children for seven years, since my daughter's problems sent me to internet lists to find resources. A lot of our children who were toddlers then are getting close to puberty now, and we've " grown up " together, so I'm one of the old folks. I went back to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2002 Report Share Posted January 31, 2002 I am sooooooooo NOT following this thread, which is probably why I attended law school and not medical school LOL. But I have a few comments. > LOL he is hyper anyway, > so... I'm not sure how much is from these enzymes. He does seem more in the > " off " days, but it could very well be from something else, like for example > metals... or anything else I can't think about yet If your son remains hyper or has other negative effects on the OFF days [besides just the first off day, see my comments below], then you should consider a yeast issue. Children should regress slightly during the round, and then the first off day is difficult, but the other off days should be improvement. If there is not noticeable improvement on the other off days, then the first thing you should consider, especially if you are using ALA, is yeast. I use GSE for my son's yeast issues. It is available without rx from my health food store. > The first day after chelation, I see some weird > looking strings in his stool, I mean his digestion is affected a little. But > he's fine after that. The first day after round, you should see rebind effect. This is my son's worst day, altho not too bad any more. When my son has a yeast issue, his bms look like they have melted stringy cheese in them, plus they are " fluffy " like sponge cake, rather than firm and solid. Here is also a comment from the a-m FAQ page. " Bernie Windham has written a paper that describes how mercury interferes with the enzyme that is needed to digest gluten and casein. Many people who are mercury toxic are sensitive to food that are high in sulfur, which includes all dairy products. " Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2002 Report Share Posted March 31, 2002 > If your child shows low sulfur in the plasma cycteine lab test, does > this mean you should add the sulfur supplements such as Molybelenen, > NAG & NAC during chelation? Molybdenum and NAG are not sulfur supplements. If he has low plasma cysteine, lots of sulfury supplements and foods should be given at all times. All useful supplements should always be given at all times regardless of chelation. > He is usually not good during chelation cycles. And we have not seen > many gains after 18 rounds. What protocol are you using? If it is ALA chelation on an appropriate protocol and he truly is low sulfur he should be BETTER on cycle. > We are thinking that we don't have his > sulfur levels under control. Should we continue giving the three > sulfur supplements listed above Only one of the supplements you listed is sulfury. > during chelation? And, should we > eliminate the mineral supplement during chelation? You should use sulfury foods and supplements all the time if his cysteine is low, and should give all supplements every day regardless of chelation. Andy cw cw c Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2002 Report Share Posted March 31, 2002 Andy, Which foods and supplements are sulphery? --- andrewhallcutler <AndyCutler@...> wrote: > > If your child shows low sulfur in the plasma > cycteine lab test, does > > this mean you should add the sulfur supplements > such as Molybelenen, > > NAG & NAC during chelation? > > Molybdenum and NAG are not sulfur supplements. > > If he has low plasma cysteine, lots of sulfury > supplements and foods > should be given at all times. > > All useful supplements should always be given at all > times regardless > of chelation. > > > He is usually not good during chelation cycles. > And we have not seen > > many gains after 18 rounds. > > What protocol are you using? > > If it is ALA chelation on an appropriate protocol > and he truly is low > sulfur he should be BETTER on cycle. > > > We are thinking that we don't have his > > sulfur levels under control. Should we continue > giving the three > > sulfur supplements listed above > > Only one of the supplements you listed is sulfury. > > > during chelation? And, should we > > eliminate the mineral supplement during chelation? > > You should use sulfury foods and supplements all the > time if his > cysteine is low, and should give all supplements > every day regardless > of chelation. > > Andy > > cw > cw > > c > > > ===== Suzanne M. Schwarz __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2002 Report Share Posted April 1, 2002 > Which foods and supplements are sulphery? In this context I use the word " sulfur " loosely. What I am really talking about is thiols and thiol precursors. Sulfate is a form of sulfur that doesn't convert into these and has an entirely separate role in the body. Foods: Eggs, dairy (including whey, which is often used in unexpected places, e. g. store cooked chickens), cabbage, cauliflower broccoli broccoflower onions garlic leeks turnips rutabagas brussels sprouts radishes spinach kale jicama and most beans, especially soybeans, which means tofu. Other things related to these. Supplements: extracts of the above foods, cysteine, NAC (n-acetylcysteine), glutathione, MSM, DMSO, whey, colostrum. Taurine may or may not be OK for a given individual. And medications: penicillamine, mucomyst. Andy dq d ce we we ewr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2002 Report Share Posted April 1, 2002 Andy, My son craves " Veggie Booty " , which are basically soy, corn, kale and spinach. I mean he wants to eat the entire bag of it even when he's hungry? Is there some relationship here to what you crave and what is bad for you(sulphur containing foods)? --- andrewhallcutler <AndyCutler@...> wrote: > > Which foods and supplements are sulphery? > > In this context I use the word " sulfur " loosely. > What I am really > talking about is thiols and thiol precursors. > Sulfate is a form of > sulfur that doesn't convert into these and has an > entirely separate > role in the body. > > Foods: Eggs, dairy (including whey, which is often > used in unexpected > places, e. g. store cooked chickens), cabbage, > cauliflower broccoli > broccoflower onions garlic leeks turnips rutabagas > brussels sprouts > radishes spinach kale jicama and most beans, > especially soybeans, > which means tofu. Other things related to these. > > Supplements: extracts of the above foods, cysteine, > NAC > (n-acetylcysteine), glutathione, MSM, DMSO, whey, > colostrum. Taurine > may or may not be OK for a given individual. > > And medications: penicillamine, mucomyst. > > Andy > > dq > d > > ce > we > we > ewr > > ===== Suzanne M. Schwarz __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2002 Report Share Posted April 1, 2002 I've heard of others having problems with Veggie Bootie and that it may be cross contaminated with gluten or casein. You may want to look into this, Re: [ ] Re: Sulfur Andy, My son craves " Veggie Booty " , which are basically soy, corn, kale and spinach. I mean he wants to eat the entire bag of it even when he's hungry? Is there some relationship here to what you crave and what is bad for you(sulphur containing foods)? --- andrewhallcutler <AndyCutler@...> wrote: > > Which foods and supplements are sulphery? > > In this context I use the word " sulfur " loosely. > What I am really > talking about is thiols and thiol precursors. > Sulfate is a form of > sulfur that doesn't convert into these and has an > entirely separate > role in the body. > > Foods: Eggs, dairy (including whey, which is often > used in unexpected > places, e. g. store cooked chickens), cabbage, > cauliflower broccoli > broccoflower onions garlic leeks turnips rutabagas > brussels sprouts > radishes spinach kale jicama and most beans, > especially soybeans, > which means tofu. Other things related to these. > > Supplements: extracts of the above foods, cysteine, > NAC > (n-acetylcysteine), glutathione, MSM, DMSO, whey, > colostrum. Taurine > may or may not be OK for a given individual. > > And medications: penicillamine, mucomyst. > > Andy > > dq > d > > ce > we > we > ewr > > ===== Suzanne M. Schwarz __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2002 Report Share Posted April 1, 2002 >Andy, >My son craves " Veggie Booty " , which are basically soy, >corn, kale and spinach. I mean he wants to eat the >entire bag of it even when he's hungry? Is there some >relationship here to what you crave and what is bad >for you(sulphur containing foods)? Dear Suzanne, As you may note, I am not Andy--- Sulfur is NOT " bad for you " unless you happen to be a " high sulfur " person. It varies. Your son may crave sulfur foods because he is a " low sulfur " person. It is very individual. hope this is some help. you can read more here if you want: /files/ANDY_INDEX See section on sulfur and thiols..... best wishes, Moria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2002 Report Share Posted April 2, 2002 What about epsom salts ? does that have anything to do with sulfur ? If my child benefits from these, does that mean that he is " low sulfur " ? Also, " sulfites " , is that something totally different ? I react to that stuff big time, just curious. Sharon ( the whole sulfur thing is also puzzling to me.......) :0( [ ] Re: Sulfur > Which foods and supplements are sulphery? In this context I use the word " sulfur " loosely. What I am really talking about is thiols and thiol precursors. Sulfate is a form of sulfur that doesn't convert into these and has an entirely separate role in the body. Foods: Eggs, dairy (including whey, which is often used in unexpected places, e. g. store cooked chickens), cabbage, cauliflower broccoli broccoflower onions garlic leeks turnips rutabagas brussels sprouts radishes spinach kale jicama and most beans, especially soybeans, which means tofu. Other things related to these. Supplements: extracts of the above foods, cysteine, NAC (n-acetylcysteine), glutathione, MSM, DMSO, whey, colostrum. Taurine may or may not be OK for a given individual. And medications: penicillamine, mucomyst. Andy dq d ce we we ewr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2002 Report Share Posted April 2, 2002 > What about epsom salts ? does that have anything to do with sulfur ? If my child benefits from these, does that mean that he is " low sulfur " ? > Also, " sulfites " , is that something totally different ? I react to that stuff big time, just curious. > Sharon > ( the whole sulfur thing is also puzzling to me.......) :0( To repeat: > In this context I use the word " sulfur " loosely. What I am really > talking about is thiols and thiol precursors. Sulfate is a form of > sulfur that doesn't convert into these and has an entirely separate > role in the body. Thiol and other reduced type sulfur -----> sulfite which is REALLY toxic ------> sulfate which is good for you. These reactions are irreversible. They only go one way. There are many types of more reduced sulfur, and most of them do seem to interconvert (taurine seems to be an exception but this isn't totally clear). Sulfite is converted to sulfate rapidly by an enzyme requiring molydbdenum. This often gets messed up by mercury, making you sulfite sensitive (or more so) and also making you get problems from your own production of sulfite. Many people with " sulfur problems " in having too MUCH of the thiol type actually don't have enough sulfate. So sulfate being good for you doesn't mean anything about the thiol type sulfur problem. Andy c Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2002 Report Share Posted April 3, 2002 > What about epsom salts ? does that have anything to do with sulfur ? If my child benefits from these, does that mean that he is " low sulfur " ? Hi Sharon, Epsom salts are magnesium sulfate (you probably know that already). This " sulfur " takes in the body all kinds of forms. Some of these forms can be used and " recycled " and transformed into something else (specialized enzymes are attaching other molecules to them) and used again in the new form, and other forms cannot be transformed anymore after they are used. The body either stores them to use them later or excretes them. Sulfate is one of the forms of sulfur (SO4) that cannot be transformed into something else anymore. It is made up of sulfur, but the body cannot transform sulfate back into cysteine for example (cysteine is another form of sulfur that sulfate is made from). Sulfate is used in the body to detoxify some toxins (some drugs, phenols, alcohols, steroid hormones) and for many other needs. So it is very important. But if your body cannot produce enough sulfate (it happens many times in mercury poisoned people) your liver and brain will suffer, because those toxins cannot be taken out, so they poison you. So it is important to support your liver with additional sulfate (in the form of Epsom salt). The reason why sulfate is not important when you talk about " sulfur level " is exactly this: the fact that your body cannot use sulfate for other " needs " other than for sulfation. So it's not relevant for the rest of the sulfur chemistry that takes place in the body. It's my understanding that cysteine is the most important form of sulfur. This is the chemical that is used in the body to produce most of the other forms of sulfur molecules (like glutathion for example, which is important in detoxification of heavy metals. Glutathion is made from cysteine). This is why Andy recommends the *plasma cysteine* test. Because it tells you the level of this form of sulfur that *can* be usually transformed in the body in the most of the other forms of sulfur. If it's low, you will need to add more in the form of NAC (n-acetyl cysteine) or MSM (some people react bad to this); if it's high you will need to reduce your intake of " sulfury foods " , because cysteine is toxic when it's high and will make you feel bad. Chelation (especially ALA) usually will increase your cysteine level, so that's why it's useful to know where you stand Hope this helps... Valentina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2002 Report Share Posted April 3, 2002 At 07:48 PM 4/2/2002 -0500, you wrote: >What about epsom salts ? does that have anything to do with sulfur ? If my child benefits from these, does that mean that he is " low sulfur " ? >Also, " sulfites " , is that something totally different ? I react to that stuff big time, just curious. >Sharon >( the whole sulfur thing is also puzzling to me.......) :0( I'm with you in the " puzzled " camp. I do understand that the SORT of stuff one gets from epsom salts (possibly sulfite) is NOT THE SAME and not related to the stuff one gets from " sulfury " foods and supplements (NAC, glutathione, cabbage, cauliflower, garlic......etc). This stuff could (maybe LOL) be sulfate. But don't quote me on it LOL. I am clear that the 2 are not related though--- that is, if you are high sulfur (high plasma cysteine) you may still get a lot of benefit from epsom salts. best wishes, Moria p.s. just in case you don't know, you can also read about both sorts of sulfur here: /files/ANDY_INDEX see section on sulfur and thiols. I'm not sure where epsom salts are (which section). I am NOT trying to be " a broken record " about this file -- rather I hope to tell you this IN CASE you are interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2002 Report Share Posted April 3, 2002 Thanks, I guess this answers my question, just because he benefits from epson salts, doesn't mean he's low sulfur. I guess I will run that plasma cysteine after all. Sharon Re: [ ] Re: Sulfur At 07:48 PM 4/2/2002 -0500, you wrote: >What about epsom salts ? does that have anything to do with sulfur ? If my child benefits from these, does that mean that he is " low sulfur " ? >Also, " sulfites " , is that something totally different ? I react to that stuff big time, just curious. >Sharon >( the whole sulfur thing is also puzzling to me.......) :0( I'm with you in the " puzzled " camp. I do understand that the SORT of stuff one gets from epsom salts (possibly sulfite) is NOT THE SAME and not related to the stuff one gets from " sulfury " foods and supplements (NAC, glutathione, cabbage, cauliflower, garlic......etc). This stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2002 Report Share Posted April 3, 2002 ok..........thanks................Now I know why I flunked chemistry !!!!!!!!!!! I suspect I'm mercury toxic too, since I just had 10 fillings replaced, some of them were 30 yeasr old, some were cracked. oh well, I guess I will look into that as well. Makes me wonder if my son was already born mercury toxic, and that's why he's been so hard to chelate. Sharon [ ] Re: Sulfur > What about epsom salts ? does that have anything to do with sulfur ? If my child benefits from these, does that mean that he is " low sulfur " ? > Also, " sulfites " , is that something totally different ? I react to that stuff big time, just curious. > Sharon > ( the whole sulfur thing is also puzzling to me.......) :0( To repeat: > In this context I use the word " sulfur " loosely. What I am really > talking about is thiols and thiol precursors. Sulfate is a form of > sulfur that doesn't convert into these and has an entirely separate > role in the body. Thiol and other reduced type sulfur -----> sulfite which is REALLY toxic ------> sulfate which is good for you. These reactions are irreversible. They only go one way. There are many types of more reduced sulfur, and most of them do seem to interconvert (taurine seems to be an exception but this isn't totally clear). Sulfite is converted to sulfate rapidly by an enzyme requiring molydbdenum. This often gets messed up by mercury, making you sulfite sensitive (or more so) and also making you get problems from your own production of sulfite. Many people with " sulfur problems " in having too MUCH of the thiol type actually don't have enough sulfate. So sulfate being good for you doesn't mean anything about the thiol type sulfur problem. Andy c Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2003 Report Share Posted May 21, 2003 In a message dated 5/21/03 5:23:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, writes: > It is possible that some of the sulfate in epsom salts might be turned into > > other forms of sulfur, but if that happens, it probably involves some help > from our gut flora. > > > Thanks for posting that. Really interesting. Nell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2003 Report Share Posted May 22, 2003 Sulfate is not converted to other forms of sulfur under physiologically relevant conditions. Andy .. . . . . . > > It is possible that some of the sulfate in epsom salts might be turned into > > > > other forms of sulfur, but if that happens, it probably involves some help > > from our gut flora. > > > > > > > > Thanks for posting that. Really interesting. > > Nell > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been remov Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2003 Report Share Posted May 22, 2003 Andy, At 02:12 AM 5/22/2003 +0000, you wrote: >Sulfate is not converted to other forms of sulfur under >physiologically relevant conditions. I think you have overlooked something important. There are lots of critters in our gut that convert sulfate to other things. We just don't know with much precision how much that contributes to our overall sulfur budget, or from what source primarily they are getting the sulfate these critters eat. Shedding of sulfated molecules from the intestinal wall is a very normal process, so the sulfate that reaches the colon doesn't need to come from diet. It seems that a lot of the sulfate the liver produces probably comes from this alternative bacteria-requiring pathway, as that is the pathway for making sulfate that is most likely to fail in liver disease. I have just put some quick examples below. The second article makes it sound that in their case, an oral dose of sulfate was probably NOT the sulfate that ended up processed by intestinal bacteria in the mice in the study. The last abstract shows that the products of these sulfate-eating bacteria is converted back to sulfate through the intermediate compound thiosulfate through the cooperation of colonic cells and the liver. When you are talking biochemistry, you have to account for all potential contributors to the system...even the microbes! Biological systems are trickier than other chemistries. The chemistry of humans actually includes lots of other critters that share our internal ecology and contribute to it and have genes that are very different from ours. Scientists have shown that animals raised in microbe free environments are not healthy at all. Dr. Waring in Birmingham England found that pooled together, 232 children with autism had seven times the thiosulfate in their urine as controls, and it is in the context of the colon that you hear about thiosulfate. For that reason, Dr. Waring's data may really be pointing to an importance of this microbe-related issue/pathway to children with autism. That shouldn't be a surprise in consideration of how many children with autism have dysbiosis. We still have much to learn about this. FEMS Microbiol Ecol 2000 Dec 1;34(2):147-155 Related Articles, Links Screening of sulfate-reducing bacteria in colonoscopy samples from healthy and colitic human gut mucosa. Zinkevich V V, Beech IB. University of Portsmouth, School of Pharmacy and Biomedical Sciences, St 's Building, White Swan Road, PO1 2DT, Portsmouth, UK A PCR-based approach combined with microbiological cultivation methods was employed to determine the occurrence of sulfate-reducing bacteria (SRB) in colon biopsy samples from ulcerative colitis patients and from non-colitic controls. The detection of mucosa-associated SRB was carried out by digoxigenin-dUTP-labelled PCR amplification, in liquid Postgate medium B and in a new liquid medium, termed VM medium I. Using Postgate medium B, the growth of SRB was confirmed in 92% of the colitic specimens and in 52% of non-colitic samples. However, PCR analysis and incubation in VM medium I detected SRB in 100% of biopsy material indicating ubiquitous presence of SRB in human colon mucosa. PMID: 11102692 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher] Exp Biol Med (Maywood) 2003 Apr;228(4):424-33 Related Articles, Links [Click here to read] Gastrointestinal and microbial responses to sulfate-supplemented drinking water in mice. Deplancke B, Finster K, Graham WV, Collier CT, Thurmond JE, Gaskins HR. Division of Nutritional Sciences, and Department of Animal Sciences, University of Illinois, Urbana, Illinois 61801, USA. There is increasing evidence that hydrogen sulfide (H2S), produced by intestinal sulfate-reducing bacteria (SRB), may be involved in the etiopathogenesis of chronic diseases such as ulcerative colitis and colorectal cancer. The activity of SRB, and thus H2S production, is likely determined by the availability of sulfur-containing compounds in the intestine. However, little is known about the impact of dietary or inorganic sulfate on intestinal sulfate and SRB-derived H2S concentrations. In this study, the effects of short-term (7 day) and long-term (1 year) inorganic sulfate supplementation of the drinking water on gastrointestinal (GI) sulfate and H2S concentrations (and thus activity of resident SRBs), and the density of large intestinal sulfomucin-containing goblet cells, were examined in C3H/HeJBir mice. Additionally, a PCR-denaturing gradient gel electrophoresis (DGGE)-based molecular ecology technique was used to examine the impact of sulfate-amended drinking water on microbial community structure throughout the GI tract. Average H2S concentrations ranged from 0.1 mM (stomach) to 1 mM (cecum). A sulfate reduction assay demonstrated in situ production of H2S throughout the GI tract, confirming the presence of SRB. However, H2S generation and concentrations were greatest in the cecum and colon. Sulfate supplementation of drinking water did not significantly increase intestinal sulfate or H2S concentrations, suggesting that inorganic sulfate is not an important modulator of intestinal H2S concentrations, although it altered the bacterial profiles of the stomach and distal colon of 1-year-old mice. This change in colonic bacterial profiles may reflect a corresponding increase in the density of sulfomucin-containing goblet cells in sulfate-supplemented compared with control mice. PMID: 12671187 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] Curr Microbiol 1997 Nov;35(5):294-8 Related Articles, Links [Click here to read] Nutritional aspects of dissimilatory sulfate reduction in the human large intestine. Willis CL, Cummings JH, Neale G, Gibson GR. Institute of Food Research, Earley Gate, Reading, UK. In contrast to other anaerobic ecosystems, such as marine and estuarine sediments, there is a lack of information on the nutritional requirements of human gut sulfate-reducing bacteria (SRB). Various substrates stimulated sulfate reduction in mixed culture, including short-chain fatty acids and other organic acids, alcohols, and amino acids (but not sugars or aromatic compounds). However, the use of sodium molybdate as a specific inhibitor of sulfate reduction caused an accumulation of ethanol and malonate only, and reduced the rate of utilization of lactate. This indicates the importance of these electron donors for sulfate reduction. Since ethanol and lactate are primarily utilized by members of the Desulfovibrio genus, the results suggest a physiologically important role for this group. Experiments with two strains of Desulfovibrio desulfuricans isolated from human feces demonstrated that both were able to reduce sulfite, thiosulfate or nitrate in the absence of sulfate. In addition, one strain (DsvUC1) was able to grow by fermentative metabolism, although the second strain (DsvFD1) showed more restricted fermentative growth. The data indicate that desulfovibrios are ecologically the most significant group of SRB in the human colon, and that colonic isolates belonging to this genus are versatile, in terms of both the electron acceptors and donors that they are able to utilize. PMID: 9462959 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] Biochem Pharmacol 2001 Jul 15;62(2):255-9 Related Articles, Links [Click here to read] Oxidation of hydrogen sulfide and methanethiol to thiosulfate by rat tissues: a specialized function of the colonic mucosa. Furne J, Springfield J, Koenig T, DeMaster E, Levitt MD. Research Service, Minneapolis VA Medical Center, 1 Veterans Drive, Minneapolis, MN 55417, USA. Colonic bacteria release large quantities of the highly toxic thiols hydrogen sulfide (H(2)S) and methanethiol (CH(3)SH). These gases rapidly permeate the colonic mucosa, and tissue damage would be expected if the mucosa could not detoxify these compounds rapidly. We previously showed that rat cecal mucosa metabolizes these thiols via conversion to thiosulfate. The purpose of the present study in rats was to determine if this conversion of thiols to thiosulfate is (a) a generalized function of many tissues, or ( a specialized function of the colonic mucosa. The tissues studied were mucosa from the cecum, right colon, mid-colon, ileum, and stomach; liver; muscle; erythrocytes; and plasma. The metabolic rate was determined by incubating homogenates of the various tissues with H(2)(35)S and CH(3)(35)SH and measuring the rate of incorporation of (35)S into thiosulfate and sulfate. The detoxification activity of H(2)S (expressed as nmol/mg per min) that resulted in thiosulfate production was at least eight times greater for cecal and right colonic mucosa than for the non-colonic tissues. Thiosulfate production from CH(3)SH was at least five times more rapid for cecal and right colonic mucosa than for the non-colonic tissues. We conclude that colonic mucosa possesses a specialized detoxification system that allows this tissue to rapidly metabolize H(2)S and CH(3)SH to thiosulfate. Presumably, this highly developed system protects the colon from what otherwise might be injurious concentrations of H(2)S and CH(3)SH. Defects in this detoxification pathway possibly could play a role in the pathogenesis of various forms of colitis. PMID: 11389886 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] >Andy .. . . . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 After reading Andy's info about high sulfur and high cysteine and sensitivity to sulfury foods I checked his metametrix results which showed plasma homocysteine to be about average or a little above (just at the 3rd-4th quintile juncture). Value 4 in a ref range of <8. Just wanted to add that to my post Thanks Karin > > still pouring over my son's hair results. he was high in sulfur. > dont know if this is meaningful, but i know there is a lot of > discussion about tolerance of sulfury foods. Since my son cant > tolerate a darn thing I was wondering if this might be something to > look into. Could this high sulfur value mean that I should limit the > sulfur in his diet? Thanks > > Karin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 > > still pouring over my son's hair results. he was high in sulfur. > dont know if this is meaningful, It is completely and totally irrelevant. > but i know there is a lot of > discussion about tolerance of sulfury foods. Since my son cant > tolerate a darn thing I was wondering if this might be something to > look into. Could this high sulfur value mean that I should limit the > sulfur in his diet? Thanks > > Karin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 yep, someone kindly sent me that information from your book after I posted it. Love rendering information irrelevant! Karin > > > > still pouring over my son's hair results. he was high in sulfur. > > dont know if this is meaningful, > > It is completely and totally irrelevant. > > > but i know there is a lot of > > discussion about tolerance of sulfury foods. Since my son cant > > tolerate a darn thing I was wondering if this might be something to > > look into. Could this high sulfur value mean that I should limit the > > sulfur in his diet? Thanks > > > > Karin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 my daughter's breath or diaper often smells like sulfur, does this mean anything? [ ] Digest Number 7701 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 > > > my daughter's breath or diaper often smells like sulfur, does this mean anything? Does she eat a lot of high sulfur foods? Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2006 Report Share Posted December 26, 2006 SULFUR his mineral helps skin and hair. Fights bacterial infection. Aids liver function. Disinfects blood. Protects against toxic substances. HERBAL SOURCES: Horsetail. Suzi What is a weed? A plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered. health/ http://suziesgoats.wholefoodfarmacy.com/ http://360./suziesgoats __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 Not Dana, Epsom salts and No Fenol enzymes..and if you are on MB 12, that helps here Bridget > > Dana, > > Is there an enzyme that helps with the digestion of sulfur foods? > > Carol > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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