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June 16, 1999

>From: Walleser <cjwalleser@...>

>

>I NEED HELP IMMEDIATELY

Hi Walleser,

It is smart to wait a bit with surgery, and try some other options.

Can you access web ?

read :

http://www.geocities.com/~mycleanse/

First ,you should adjust your diet to be pain free, until you get gallstones

out.

If you are eating fats, eat those fats :

-expeller presed flaxseed oil

-expeller presed extra virgine olive oil

Freshly ground whole seeds (sesam, flax, ...)

Those fats will not give you attack.

How big are your stones ?

This is what you should do.

Purchase parasite killing herbs:

http://home.sol.no/~dusan/parasitescleanse.html

and start parasite cleanse.

Take every morning Lemon & Olive oil drink daily.

To make this you need one organic/unwaxed lemon one table spoon of Extra

virgin olive oil, a glass & a half of spring water or (filtered if

available) tap water.

Wash the Lemon, cut out any dark bits, then roughly chop the whole thing inc

the rind & put in a blender. Add the table spoon of Virgin Olive oil & the

glass & a half of water - blend this for 60 seconds - strain & serve.

If you wish to gain weight split the drink into three portions & drink with

each meal throughout the day.

This drink manages to restore the Ph of your saliva which in turn helps you

to absorb the nutrients from the food you eat.

If drunk all in one as first thing in the morning (an hour before eating) it

will flush & detox the Liver and Gallbladder.

Take every day flaxseed oil with soft, low fat cottage cheese.

http://home.sol.no/~dusan/flaxseed_oil.html

Apply castor packs every day:

http://home.sol.no/~dusan/castoroil.html

Run parasite cleansing program:

http://home.sol.no/~dusan/parasitescleanse.html

After you do all this, run main flush

http://home.sol.no/~dusan/gallstones.html

several times, with two weeks a part.

Take also shiatsu treatments, to improve liver and Gallbladder function.

Purchase some book about accupressere, or shiatsu,and learn on what points

to applay pressere in order to neutralize pain, in case it appear after

eating some bad foods.

Best of health

Dusan Stojkovic

June 16, 1999

I NEED HELP IMMEDIATELY! I have justy become aware of this list, and I

am sceduled for gallbladder surgery June 22 - next Tuesday. I will do

almost anything to avoid this. I had what probably was an acute

gallbladder attack about one month ago, but have been fine since, but

have really been watching my diet, as they also said I was a Diabetic at

that time. I think my bg was high due to the stress of the pain I was

experiencing. If I felt that I could be ok without surgery, I sure

would be gratefull to whomever sent me any information on cleansing the

gallbladder. PLEASE RESPOND Judy W.

June 16, 1999

don't do surgey and cleanse your gallbladder !

>I NEED HELP IMMEDIATELY! I have justy become aware of this list, and I

June 16, 1999

Hello.

I'm from Lithuania.

You know, that was surprise to me when I found this mailing list and site. I

thought, that only people in countrys near Russia, (and in Russia, of

course), know how to cleanse liver. Now I see very interasting and in big

part different method of this thing.

So, when I did a clensing, I did not parasite cleanse. And now I'm OK!

(I did about 15 cleansings.)

I think, when man is near surgery, he must provide liver cleanse emediantly

and do not play games with parasites.

Thank you.

>From: Dusan Stojkovic <dusan_stojkovic@...>

>

>>From: Walleser <cjwalleser@...>

>>

>>I NEED HELP IMMEDIATELY

>

>Hi Walleser,

>

>It is smart to wait a bit with surgery, and try some other options.

>

>Can you access web ?

>

>read :

>

>http://www.geocities.com/~mycleanse/

>

>First ,you should adjust your diet to be pain free, until you get

gallstones

>out.

>

>If you are eating fats, eat those fats :

>

>-expeller presed flaxseed oil

>-expeller presed extra virgine olive oil

>

>Freshly ground whole seeds (sesam, flax, ...)

>

>Those fats will not give you attack.

>

>How big are your stones ?

>

>This is what you should do.

>

>Purchase parasite killing herbs:

>http://home.sol.no/~dusan/parasitescleanse.html

>and start parasite cleanse.

>

>Take every morning Lemon & Olive oil drink daily.

>

>To make this you need one organic/unwaxed lemon one table spoon of Extra

>virgin olive oil, a glass & a half of spring water or (filtered if

>available) tap water.

>

>Wash the Lemon, cut out any dark bits, then roughly chop the whole thing

inc

>the rind & put in a blender. Add the table spoon of Virgin Olive oil & the

>glass & a half of water - blend this for 60 seconds - strain & serve.

>

>If you wish to gain weight split the drink into three portions & drink with

>each meal throughout the day.

>

>This drink manages to restore the Ph of your saliva which in turn helps you

>to absorb the nutrients from the food you eat.

>If drunk all in one as first thing in the morning (an hour before eating)

it

>will flush & detox the Liver and Gallbladder.

>

>Take every day flaxseed oil with soft, low fat cottage cheese.

>http://home.sol.no/~dusan/flaxseed_oil.html

>

>Apply castor packs every day:

>http://home.sol.no/~dusan/castoroil.html

>

>Run parasite cleansing program:

>http://home.sol.no/~dusan/parasitescleanse.html

>

>After you do all this, run main flush

>

>http://home.sol.no/~dusan/gallstones.html

>

>several times, with two weeks a part.

>

>Take also shiatsu treatments, to improve liver and Gallbladder function.

>

>Purchase some book about accupressere, or shiatsu,and learn on what points

>to applay pressere in order to neutralize pain, in case it appear after

>eating some bad foods.

>

>Best of health

>

>Dusan Stojkovic

>

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>http://home.sol.no/~dusan/flaxseed_oil.html

>

June 17, 1999

KestasKestas

I have just read your email, I am from Australia.

I was wondering what method of liver cleanse did you use.

I haven't done one yet but would like to try, I have been told that I have a

hiatus hernia, and I don't want to take medication so I will be having an

operation to rectify this problem.

But prior to that I would like to do a cleanse.

I have not done a parasite cleanse as a lot of the products are not available

here.

I would be greatful for any advice.

Jessie

KestasKestas wrote:

> From: " KestasKestas " <w@...>

>

> Hello.

> I'm from Lithuania.

> You know, that was surprise to me when I found this mailing list and site. I

> thought, that only people in countrys near Russia, (and in Russia, of

> course), know how to cleanse liver. Now I see very interasting and in big

> part different method of this thing.

> So, when I did a clensing, I did not parasite cleanse. And now I'm OK!

> (I did about 15 cleansings.)

> I think, when man is near surgery, he must provide liver cleanse emediantly

> and do not play games with parasites.

> Thank you.

>

> >From: Dusan Stojkovic <dusan_stojkovic@...>

> >

> >>From: Walleser <cjwalleser@...>

> >>

> >>I NEED HELP IMMEDIATELY

> >

> >Hi Walleser,

> >

> >It is smart to wait a bit with surgery, and try some other options.

> >

> >Can you access web ?

> >

> >read :

> >

> >http://www.geocities.com/~mycleanse/

> >

> >First ,you should adjust your diet to be pain free, until you get

> gallstones

> >out.

> >

> >If you are eating fats, eat those fats :

> >

> >-expeller presed flaxseed oil

> >-expeller presed extra virgine olive oil

> >

> >Freshly ground whole seeds (sesam, flax, ...)

> >

> >Those fats will not give you attack.

> >

> >How big are your stones ?

> >

> >This is what you should do.

> >

> >Purchase parasite killing herbs:

> >http://home.sol.no/~dusan/parasitescleanse.html

> >and start parasite cleanse.

> >

> >Take every morning Lemon & Olive oil drink daily.

> >

> >To make this you need one organic/unwaxed lemon one table spoon of Extra

> >virgin olive oil, a glass & a half of spring water or (filtered if

> >available) tap water.

> >

> >Wash the Lemon, cut out any dark bits, then roughly chop the whole thing

> inc

> >the rind & put in a blender. Add the table spoon of Virgin Olive oil & the

> >glass & a half of water - blend this for 60 seconds - strain & serve.

> >

> >If you wish to gain weight split the drink into three portions & drink with

> >each meal throughout the day.

> >

> >This drink manages to restore the Ph of your saliva which in turn helps you

> >to absorb the nutrients from the food you eat.

> >If drunk all in one as first thing in the morning (an hour before eating)

> it

> >will flush & detox the Liver and Gallbladder.

> >

> >Take every day flaxseed oil with soft, low fat cottage cheese.

> >http://home.sol.no/~dusan/flaxseed_oil.html

> >

> >Apply castor packs every day:

> >http://home.sol.no/~dusan/castoroil.html

> >

> >Run parasite cleansing program:

> >http://home.sol.no/~dusan/parasitescleanse.html

> >

> >After you do all this, run main flush

> >

> >http://home.sol.no/~dusan/gallstones.html

> >

> >several times, with two weeks a part.

> >

> >Take also shiatsu treatments, to improve liver and Gallbladder function.

> >

> >Purchase some book about accupressere, or shiatsu,and learn on what points

> >to applay pressere in order to neutralize pain, in case it appear after

> >eating some bad foods.

> >

> >Best of health

> >

> >Dusan Stojkovic

> >

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> yourself!

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> >

> >Web Sites:

> >http://www.geocities.com/~mycleanse/

> >http://home.sol.no/~dusan/gallstones.html

> >http://www.geocities.com/~dusan_s/

> >http://home.sol.no/~dusan/flaxseed_oil.html

> >

>

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> http://home.sol.no/~dusan/flaxseed_oil.html

June 17, 1999

> From: Walleser <cjwalleser@...>

>

> I NEED HELP IMMEDIATELY! I have justy become aware of this

> list, and I am sceduled for gallbladder surgery June 22 -

> next Tuesday. I will do almost anything to avoid this. I had

> what probably was an acute gallbladder attack about one month

> ago, but have been fine since, but have really been watching

> my diet, as they also said I was a Diabetic at that time. I

> think my bg was high due to the stress of the pain I was

> experiencing. If I felt that I could be ok without surgery,

> I sure would be gratefull to whomever sent me any information

> on cleansing the gallbladder. PLEASE RESPOND Judy W.

Hi Judy,

If you are serious, then the first thing to do is

CANCEL THE SURGERY...there IS AN ALTERNATIVE, and it

WORKS...painlessly, quickly and effectively.

Go to www.healthfree.com/schulze and start there. You

can either search their site, or just look

around...you'll find what you are looking for just

browsing, and there is a lot of other useful

information to be found as well. There are many

liver/gall bladder flushes, but imho Dr Schulzes are

the best, but whichever you decide to use, these are

the answer.

Good decisions!

--

Marcus

June 17, 1999

>I have just read your email, I am from Australia.

hello. Nice country.

>I was wondering what method of liver cleanse did you use.

It is more hard to do this clensing. Soon I'll post this method on the web.

>I have been told that I have a

>hiatus hernia,

what is this?

June 17, 1999

Dear Dusan Stojkovic, I thank you so much for all the helpfull

information. I am still unclear about how a liver cleanse will rid my

gallbladder of stones already there. I do not know how big they are or

how many. Since being carefull of my diet, I have had absolutely no pain

since my acute attack 1 mo. ago. Have given myself deadline of tomorrow

am of canelling surgery set for next Tuesday. Before accessing this

list, I had absolutely no idea there was an alternative to surgery.

Judy W

June 17, 1999

Hi . Thanks for the info. I did not realize that there even was

an alternative to surgery for this problem. I am still wondering how

cleansing the liver can rid my gall bladder of stones and will have to

read further. Must go to work soon so will research furthere tonight.

and hope to get up enough courage to cancell surgery tomorrow. Surgery

is set for next Tuesday, so that should be sufficient time. (I work with

a lot of nurses who will think I am nuts if I cancell the surgery, but I

will know i'm nuts if I don't seek alternatives first!) Thanks, Judy

W

June 17, 1999

At 10:53 17.06.99 -0500, you wrote:

>From: Walleser <cjwalleser@...>

>

>Dear Dusan Stojkovic, I thank you so much for all the helpfull

>information. I am still unclear about how a liver cleanse will rid my

>gallbladder of stones already there. I do not know how big they are or

>how many. Since being carefull of my diet, I have had absolutely no pain

>since my acute attack 1 mo. ago. Have given myself deadline of tomorrow

>am of canelling surgery set for next Tuesday. Before accessing this

>list, I had absolutely no idea there was an alternative to surgery.

>Judy W

Hi Judy,

You should absolutly cancel your surgery.

Even if you don't believe in alternative medicine, there are even medical

alrenatives to surgery.

Surgery is the only procedure, that is irreversable.

Once you remove your Gallbladder, you can't get it back.

And , if unlucky, you may end up with chronic diarrhea.

10 -15% of people who remove gallbladder, suffer chronic diarrhea, and need

to live on medications the rest of their life.

Diarrhea is caused by bile, which is dripping directly into the intestines,

as there is no GB to collect it.

So, you get too much bile when you don't need it (between meals), and you

don't have enough when you need it (after eating some fatty food.)

Here are some medical alternatives, not as succesfull as alternative

medicine or surgery, but I would certainly try that first, before

undertaking surgery.

____________________________________________________________________________

______

Make an informed decision !

Best of health

Dusan Stojkovic

___________________________

Of al those treatments, shock waves seems the least harmfull, but still

more complicated and dangerous then drinking olive oil and lemone or

grapefruit juice.

Nonsurgical Treatment

__________________________________________________________________

from:

http://www.niddk.nih.gov/health/digest/pubs/gallstns/gallstns.htm

Nonsurgical Treatment

Nonsurgical approaches are used only in special situations—such as when a

patient's condition prevents using an anesthetic—and only for cholesterol

stones. Stones recur after nonsurgical treatment about half the time.

Oral dissolution therapy.

Drugs made from bile acid are used to dissolve the stones. The drugs,

ursodiol (Actigall) and chenodiol (Chenix), work best for small cholesterol

stones. Months or years of treatment may be necessary before all the stones

dissolve. Both drugs cause mild diarrhea, and chenodiol may temporarily

raise levels of blood cholesterol and the liver enzyme transaminase.

Contact dissolution therapy.

This experimental procedure involves injecting a drug directly into the

gallbladder to dissolve stones. The drug—methyl tert butyl—can dissolve

some stones in 1 to 3 days, but it must be used very carefully because it

is a flammable anesthetic that can be toxic. The procedure is being tested

in patients with symptomatic, noncalcified cholesterol stones.

Extracorporeal shockwave lithotripsy (ESWL).

This treatment uses shock waves to break up stones into tiny pieces that

can pass through the bile ducts without causing blockages. Attacks of

biliary colic (intense pain) are common after treatment, and ESWL's success

rate is not very high. Remaining stones can sometimes be dissolved with

medication.

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Don't People Need Their Gallbladders?

Fortunately, the gallbladder is an organ that people can live without.

Losing it won't even require a change in diet. Once the gallbladder is

removed, bile flows out of the liver through the hepatic ducts into the

common bile duct and goes directly into the small intestine, instead of

being stored in the gallbladder. However, because the bile isn't stored in

the gallbladder, it flows into the small intestine more frequently, causing

diarrhea in some people. Also, some studies suggest that removing the

gallbladder may cause higher blood cholesterol levels, so occasional

cholesterol tests may be necessary.

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from:

http://text.nlm.nih.gov/nih/cdc/www/90txt.html

WHAT ARE THE ALTERNATIVE MEDICAL TREATMENTS OF GALLSTONE DISEASE?

In the past 20 years, a variety of treatment options for gallstone disease

have been developed. Dissolution of gallstones by both mechanical and

biochemical means is available. These alternative methods of treating

gallstones must be compared to the standard surgical modalities. Open

cholecystectomy has become one of our safer surgical procedures as improved

methods of surgical technique, better anesthesia, and management of

comorbid conditions have evolved. The current issue in the modern treatment

of gallstone disease has focused on the role of the new surgical procedure,

laparoscopic cholecystectomy.

Oral Dissolution Therapy

Bile acid therapy with chenodeoxycholic acid (chenodiol) was introduced in

the early 1970's. However, because of concerns regarding side effects,

chenodiol has been largely supplanted by ursodeoxycholic acid (ursodiol).

The most effective use of bile acids in gallstone dissolution is in the

symptomatic patient with small (less than 5 mm) floating cholesterol stones

within a functioning gallbladder. This represents approximately 15 percent

of patients. Six to 12 months of therapy are required in many patients and

monitoring is necessary until dissolution is achieved. It is estimated that

gallstones in such patients have a 60 percent (less than 10 mm stones) to

90 percent (less than 5 mm stones) dissolution rate, but in about one-half

of these patients, gallstones recur within 5 years. It is unknown what

percentage of recurrent stones will give rise to symptoms. Currently, data

are insufficient to support the use of maintenance bile acid therapy after

stone dissolution.

The chance of complete dissolution is poor in patients with larger and

predominantly noncholesterol stones. It is not known whether the addition

of hydroxymethylglu-taryl CoA (HMG CoA) reductase inhibitors to bile acid

therapy will contribute to the dissolution rate or if the use of

nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAID's) will reduce recurrence

rates. Dissolution rates are higher and recurrence rates are lower in

patients with single stones, nonobese individuals, and in young patients.

It is not known if the natural history of recurrent stones is similar to

that of the original stones. Presently, the indications for bile acid

therapy are limited to patients with a comorbid condition that precludes a

safe operation and to patients who choose to avoid operation.

Extracorporeal Shock Wave Lithotripsy (ESWL)

ESWL was introduced in the mid-1980's. Various methods of producing shock

waves (spark gap and piezo-electric) have been developed, and efficacy

depends upon the amount of energy delivered to the stone. At present, none

of the ESWL machines have been approved by the Food and Drug Administration

for routine clinical use in the United States. The group in Munich and

others have demonstrated stone clearance in up to 95 percent of symptomatic

patients with solitary noncalcified gallstones less than 20-mm in diameter

in a functioning gallbladder. Patients with 20-mm to 30-mm gallstones and

those with up to three stones in a functioning gallbladder have stone

clearance rates of about 60 percent. It is estimated that 16 percent of all

patients with symptomatic gallstones would fall into one of the above

categories. Effective ESWL requires adjuvant ursodeoxycholic acid therapy.

Recurrence is infrequent following therapy with ESWL for a single small

stone but is more common in patients with multiple stones. The natural

history of recurrent stones is unknown in terms of predicting recurrence of

symptoms. Complications of ESWL are minor and include transient elevations

of liver enzymes, pancreatitis, and hematuria. Effective ESWL depends on

fragmentation of stones into much smaller pieces that can be dissolved or

readily passed into the gut. The incidence of transient biliary pain has

been reported to be as high as 45 percent after successful stone

fragmentation.

Contact Dissolution Therapy

Considerably less experience is recorded in the use of contact dissolution

agents. The most commonly used agents are methyl tert-butyl ether (MTBE),

which is experimental, and to a much lesser degree, monooctanoin, which is

approved for the dissolution of bile duct stones. MTBE is usually

introduced via a percutaneous transhepatic catheter into the gallbladder.

Effective delivery and removal of solvent is facilitated by the use of an

automatic peristaltic pump.

Stones composed predominately of cholesterol can be cleared in hours to

days. This technique is most often used in patients who are high surgical

risks. Little information is available regarding recurrence rates.

Monooctanoin has been used primarily for dissolution of bile duct stones

retained following surgery. Catheters are placed within the bile duct,

either transhepatically or through an endoscope, and monooctanoin is

perfused for a period of days via the indwelling catheter or an existing

T-tube. Methods have been described for the instillation of both contact

agents into the gallbladder by endoscopic means. The use of contact

dissolution agents has limited application in patients with gallstone disease.

________________________________________________________________

__________________________________

From:

http://clos.net/gallstone_protection02.htm

about Actigall:

Actigall ® (ursodiol - USP), is a new drug for the prevention of

gallstones in obese patients experiencing rapid weight loss. Cleared for

marketing by the FDA for this purpose, Actigall is the first medication

indicated for the prevention of gallstones in these patients. It has been

used to dissolve certain types of gallstones in appropriately selected

patients since 1988.

Actigall was developed by Novartis Pharmaceuticals Corporation.

" Actigall gives obese people undergoing rapid weight loss, a population at

high risk for gallstones, a safe and effective preventive option, " says

L. Shiffman, M.D., hepatologist, Medical College of Virginia

Hospitals. " With this medication, obese people losing weight quickly may

avoid the sometimes painful symptoms caused by gallstones and the surgery

that may be needed to remove them. "

Gallstones are one of the most significant complications of rapid weight

loss. For most people, gallstones are asymptomatic or silent and can be

safely left alone. While it is unclear what percentage of people with

silent gallstones will develop symptomatic gallstones, they can be very

painful and can lead to a variety of potentially serious symptoms and

problems.

According to the National Institutes of Health, gallstones from all causes

result in 600,000 hospitalizations and more than 500,000 operations each year.

Gallstone Formation

While there is no strict definition of " rapid weight loss, " the potential

for gallstone formation increases dramatically when weight loss exceeds an

average of about 10-12 lbs. a month. Two techniques for rapid weight loss

that make dieters particularly prone to gallstone formation include very

low calorie diets (VLCDs), which provide 800 calories a day or less for 12

to 16 weeks, and gastric bypass surgery, which reduces the size of the

stomach to prevent overeating. Additionally, gallstones may form with other

types of rapid weight loss programs.

How Actigall Works

Gallstones are clusters of solid material, mostly cholesterol, that form in

the gallbladder. Actigall works by suppressing the secretion of cholesterol

and inhibiting intestinal absorption of cholesterol. By increasing the

level at which cholesterol saturation occurs, Actigall helps prevent the

formation of gallstones.

Actigall is a naturally occurring acid found in small quantities in normal

human bile and in larger quantities in the bile of the polar bear. To

prevent gallstones in obese patients, a 300 mg capsule of Actigall is taken

twice daily during the period of rapid weight loss which is usually four

months for patients on VLCDs, and six months for gastric bypass patients.

Clinical Trial Data

Two placebo-controlled, multicenter, double-blind, randomized, parallel

group trials of 1,316 obese patients undergoing rapid weight loss were

undertaken to evaluate the effectiveness of Actigall in preventing gallstones.

In the first trial, 1,004 obese patients lost weight through VLCDs for a

period of 16 weeks. Gallstones occurred in 23 percent of the placebo group,

while those on the recommended dose of 600 mg/day of Actigall experienced a

3 percent incidence of gallstone formation. The second trial looked at 312

obese patients who lost weight through gastric bypass surgery. Gallstone

formation occurred in 23 percent of the placebo group, while patients

taking 600 mg/day of Actigall experienced a 1 percent incidence of

gallstone formation. The trial drug treatment period lasted six months

after surgery.

Side Effects

Actigall may not be for everyone. Patients should check with their

physician to find out if they are at risk of developing gallstones and to

determine if Actigall is appropriate for them. Also, other medications may

interact with Actigall. The most common side effects observed in trials

with Actigall were constipation, diarrhea and headache.

Indications

Actigall has two indications:

1. New Indication - Actigall is indicated for the prevention of gallstone

formation in obese patients experiencing rapid weight loss.

2. Actigall is also indicated for patients with radiolucent, noncalcified

gallbladder stones, 20 mm in greatest diameter in whom elective

cholecystectomy would be undertaken except for the presence of increased

surgical risk due to systemic disease, advanced age, idiosyncratic reaction

to general anesthesia, or for those patients who refuse surgery. Safety of

use of Actigall beyond 24 months is not established.

Gallbladder stone dissolution with Actigall treatment requires months of

therapy. Complete dissolution does not occur in all patients and recurrence

of stones within five years has been observed in up to 50 percent of

patients who do dissolve their stones on bile acid therapy. Patients should

be carefully selected for therapy with ursodiol, and alternative therapies

should be considered.

Learning More

To educate consumers about gallstones, Novartis has created a free brochure

on gallstone prevention and rapid weight loss, which consumers can obtain

by calling toll-free 800-707-7407. Callers will receive a brochure

entitled, " Gallstones and Rapid Weight Loss: Something to Know About. "

Based in East Hanover, New Jersey, Novartis Pharmaceuticals researches and

develops, manufactures and markets leading innovative prescription drugs

used to treat a number of diseases and conditions, including organ

transplantation, cardiovascular diseases, schizophrenia, cancer, epilepsy

and arthritis.

June 18, 1999

In a message dated 6/17/99 12:09:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time, dusan@...

writes:

<< Even if you don't believe in alternative medicine, there are even medical

alrenatives to surgery.

Surgery is the only procedure, that is irreversable.

Once you remove your Gallbladder, you can't get it back.

And , if unlucky, you may end up with chronic diarrhea.

10 -15% of people who remove gallbladder, suffer chronic diarrhea, and need

to live on medications the rest of their life.

Diarrhea is caused by bile, which is dripping directly into the intestines,

as there is no GB to collect it.

So, you get too much bile when you don't need it (between meals), and you

don't have enough when you need it (after eating some fatty food.) >>

Dusan,

I A friend of mine did have her gallbladder removed and is now suffering

from chronic diarrhea. Is there anything that can help this condition once

one has had their gallbladder removed? G.

June 18, 1999

I CANCELLED MY SURGERY! I'm not sure what excuse I'll tell them at work

- perhaps that I have to have my diabetes under control first. I feel

better knowing that there are so many alternatives to surgery. I will

probably spend some time with my mother next week and use the parasite

and liver cleanse then. She is a former nurse and would not understand

my decision, either. My 18 year old daughter and husband have stood

behind me in my decision. Dusan, your support has been invaluable, along

with the other people I have heard from. Must run to work now. THANKS

June 19, 1999

A hernia is a hole in the gut and the stomach acids escape and cause a burning

sensation (heartburn) so an operation is required to sow up this hole.

There are websites that explain this in detail.

Jessie

KestasKestas wrote:

> From: " KestasKestas " <w@...>

>

> >I have just read your email, I am from Australia.

>

> hello. Nice country.

>

> >I was wondering what method of liver cleanse did you use.

>

> It is more hard to do this clensing. Soon I'll post this method on the web.

>

> >I have been told that I have a

> >hiatus hernia,

> what is this?

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June 19, 1999

The best medicine is starvation. There's a proverb - If straving can not

cure, nothing can.

>A hernia is a hole in the gut and the stomach acids escape and cause a

burning

>sensation (heartburn) so an operation is required to sow up this hole.

June 19, 1999

> From: Walleser <cjwalleser@...>

>

> I CANCELLED MY SURGERY! I'm not sure what excuse I'll tell

> them at work - perhaps that I have to have my diabetes under

> control first. I feel better knowing that there are so many

> alternatives to surgery. I will probably spend some time with

> my mother next week and use the parasite and liver cleanse

> then. She is a former nurse and would not understand my

> decision, either. My 18 year old daughter and husband have

> stood behind me in my decision. Dusan, your support has been

> invaluable, along with the other people I have heard from.

> Must run to work now.

> THANKS

Good for you!

Now, if you are so inclined, the best thing you could

do is buy the 'Save Your Life' program from the good

people at www.healthfree.com/schulze

And no, I don't get anything from them for referring

people - it is simply the best program around for

dealing with serious health problems.

The only thing he doesn't discuss is using Dr Becks

devices and ozone therapy: drinking ozonated

water/blood electrification, insufflations (ear &

rectal), and possibly autohemotherapy (direct infusion

of ozone into the blood). Combining these with Dr

Schulzes therapies (the herbals would have to be taken

after doing the electrification, obviously), I just

don't see how anyone who truly wants to get well (you'd

be surprised how many people, deep down, DON'T) could

fail.

Make it count!

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Marcus

June 19, 1999

>Now, if you are so inclined, the best thing you could

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I`m sorry, I don`t see that this functions. Are you sure the adress is ok?

June 19, 1999

Ole--looks like you are doing right. You write email and receive all email

that are written to gallstones.At 10:55 AM 6/19/99 +0200, you wrote:

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>

>>Now, if you are so inclined, the best thing you could

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June 20, 1999

> From: " Ole Blente " <blente@...>

>

>>Now, if you are so inclined, the best thing you could

>>do is buy the 'Save Your Life' program from the good

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> I`m sorry, I don`t see that this functions. Are you sure the

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Some browsers won't work unless you put the http://

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June 23, 1999

At 05:20 PM 6/18/99 -0000, you wrote:

>Hello,

>

>Welcome to the list. Please take a moment to review this message.

hello again, just a couple of questions--how do you know if you have

flushed the stones out of your gallbladder? Will I always have this

problem? I think I may have passed a couple of stones after doing the

lemon/olive oil for about a day. I get some twinge of feeling in that area,

but no tightness like before. Could there still be some in there? Would the

drink work that quickly? Can I get Dr. 's book at the bookstore?

thanks, laura P.S. I just don't see how the drink makes something come out

of your gallbladder. Enlighten me!!

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Hello, I am a 55 year old female who discovered I have gallstones after

about 1 1/2 years of abdominal pain. My doctor immediately refered me to a

surgeon to remove my gallbladder with no mention of any alternative

treatment. I decided to check the internet and found there are alternatives.

My principal question is about the cleansing. I found the recipe somewhere,

but no instructions as to the correct way to use it. Any advice or

instructions would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

December 8, 1999

Hey JT, you can find a great deal of information and procedure by clicking

onto the clark site down below. If not, write back and someone will give

the specifics. Will talk later.

At 06:33 PM 12/7/99 EST, you wrote:

>From: JTims2815@...

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>Hello, I am a 55 year old female who discovered I have gallstones after

>about 1 1/2 years of abdominal pain. My doctor immediately refered me to a

>surgeon to remove my gallbladder with no mention of any alternative

>treatment. I decided to check the internet and found there are

alternatives.

> My principal question is about the cleansing. I found the recipe

somewhere,

>but no instructions as to the correct way to use it. Any advice or

>instructions would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

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December 8, 1999

To JTims

read cure for all diseases by Hulda , Its step by step and its the best

cleanse/flush that I've tried. If you can't find the book try

www..net . Good Luck

Diane

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Subject: Re: Welcome to gallstonesonelist

> From: JTims2815@...

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> Hello, I am a 55 year old female who discovered I have gallstones after

> about 1 1/2 years of abdominal pain. My doctor immediately refered me to

a

> surgeon to remove my gallbladder with no mention of any alternative

> treatment. I decided to check the internet and found there are

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