Re: oral deaf vs sign deaf (rephasing)

[Guest guest]

Let me rephrase....... in psychology class, we had a topic about LEARNING,

it is known that babies learns language other than they native tongue if

taught early, that why many kindergartner comes home boasting they can speak

Spanish, French, etc. etc.,,,,,,, that the language part i am talking

about........I did not say wait til baby is 5 y.o. to be implanted,,,,,, its

about

LANGUAGE. If you wait til you are 30 or 50, it harder to learn the new

language...... This is what I am talking about.

The emails I have been getting both here and private appears to be attacking

me about waiting for the baby to be 5 to be implant,,,,, no no no, I do

support eariler the better.

Lee

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/27/2004 10:04:42 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

tadxl@... writes:

But I do want to know why your friends deaf sister would not make a

good candidate because she never learned " spoken English " .

the sister apparently never knew English, she learned ASL and is very strong

at it starting from age 2, now she is about 40ish, her doctor said that she

will not make a good canidate because she never knew " spoken English " . I do

not know how her written English is as I did not ask about it.

I on another hand, was born profoundly deaf, said my first word when I was

almost 4, at 19, learned signs, therefore, learned to blend in deaf community

well (not perfect but well). I never truely learned ASL purely, but enough

to communicate with.

As much I hate doctor who " think " this way (using language as an excuse), it

is interesting topic, language.

Lee

[Guest guest]

Lee

long ago the whole idea of thinking that sign language is a language itself

just like english and spanish was being debated there was a big shot guy

i think by the name of furth??

who did studies and studies and said that ASL is a language but i

happened to have this very same man and a professor in some psych class ... it

was

all hearing students and me deaf student and while my interpreter did his

thing this guy was saying how using sign language limits a person's ability to

think that people who are dependent on signing have limited

intelligence that signing is concrete and abstract concepts can never be

understood

he saying this all the while i am siting there ..... and yes i did

respond lol

the idea of spoken language being the only real language is nonsense in

regard to being able to comprehend and think

when CI was first being developed it was geared to those people who had lost

their hearing after learning to speak meaning adults and the hearing

had to be nothing left to get a CI

this whole thinking has been replaced time and time again but

some doctors don't keep up to date 2 weeks ago i met a sweet couple both

using ASL and both deaf since birth who had recently been activated

from the little i heard they had limited speech but ... from what i saw they

were floating and thrilled with all the new sounds they are determined to

work at speech comprehension so times are 'achangin thank god too

susan

[Guest guest]

Wasn't attacking you Lee. You asked a question and I responded to it.

You probably didn't explain it clearly enough.

But I do want to know why your friends deaf sister would not make a

good candidate because she never learned " spoken English " .

Can you clearify this better?

> Let me rephrase....... in psychology class, we had a topic about

LEARNING,

> it is known that babies learns language other than they native

tongue if

> taught early, that why many kindergartner comes home boasting they

can speak

> Spanish, French, etc. etc.,,,,,,, that the language part i am

talking

> about........I did not say wait til baby is 5 y.o. to be

implanted,,,,,, its about

> LANGUAGE. If you wait til you are 30 or 50, it harder to learn

the new

> language...... This is what I am talking about.

>

> The emails I have been getting both here and private appears to be

attacking

> me about waiting for the baby to be 5 to be implant,,,,, no no no,

I do

> support eariler the better.

>

> Lee

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Best thing to do is to TRY hearing aids first and if they do not work, then

go for the cochlear implant. I met a little girl who got a cochlear implant at

the age of 2 or 3. She was fitted with hearing aids and they helped a

little, then the parents and audiologist agreed that a cochlear implant was the

best

way to go. By age 8, the kid was chattering!

If cochlear implants were available and they worked as well as they do now

when I was little, then I would get it but only single channel cochlear implants

were available at that tine. and my hearing loss was too severe. with the

right tools, a cochlear implant can work.

but if a kid has a cochlear implant early on in life then is put in a deaf

only environment with ASL or " total communication " ( depends on how it is

applied), then the kid does not do as well as expected.

Liesl

In a message dated 7/27/04 9:44:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

spottedlee@... writes:

<< Subj: Re: oral deaf vs " sign " deaf (rephasing)

Date: 7/27/04 9:44:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time

From: spottedlee@...

Reply-to:

Let me rephrase....... in psychology class, we had a topic about LEARNING,

it is known that babies learns language other than they native tongue if

taught early, that why many kindergartner comes home boasting they can speak

Spanish, French, etc. etc.,,,,,,, that the language part i am talking

about........I did not say wait til baby is 5 y.o. to be implanted,,,,,, its

about

LANGUAGE. If you wait til you are 30 or 50, it harder to learn the new

language...... This is what I am talking about.

The emails I have been getting both here and private appears to be

attacking

me about waiting for the baby to be 5 to be implant,,,,, no no no, I do

support eariler the better.

Lee >>