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Are you sure she isn't constipated? How much water does she drink?

At 03:04 PM 6/23/2006, you wrote:

>My baby girl is only 1 month old she suffer's with pain and

>straining when trying to have a bowl movement, she is only having a

>bowel movement once every day or two.. the doctor call's it Tenesmus.

>She is on Enfamile Lipil and has been on Gentelease formula's which

>didn't make a difference in her pain.. I am looking for help in

>finding a natural way to help her to be healed from this pain she

>suffers. I've read about Dr. Schulze's Intestinal Formula #3 and have

>bought some a few days ago but am not sure if I should use this on my

>baby. Has anyone here every used this Formula on their baby and did

>it work? I don't want to cause her any more pain.. I am praying

>someone knows something about this Tenesmus and can help me to find a

>way to put a stop to her pain.. Help please!

>Eibhlin

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I've brought her to the doctor several times and he says it is not

constipation because her stool is soft and not hard at all. Her

problem is when it is time to have a bowel movement, she strains and

strains and cry's a lot and it still doesn't move until going through

this many times through the day and sometimes she doesn't poo until

the next day. I give her 2-4 oz of water dilluted with apple juice

each day (sometimes less if she refuses to drink it) The doctor has

me giving Caro syrup in her formula and that is suppose to her but it

does not.

Eibhlin

>

> >My baby girl is only 1 month old she suffer's with pain and

> >straining when trying to have a bowl movement, she is only having a

> >bowel movement once every day or two.. the doctor call's it

Tenesmus.

> >She is on Enfamile Lipil and has been on Gentelease formula's which

> >didn't make a difference in her pain.. I am looking for help in

> >finding a natural way to help her to be healed from this pain she

> >suffers. I've read about Dr. Schulze's Intestinal Formula #3 and

have

> >bought some a few days ago but am not sure if I should use this on

my

> >baby. Has anyone here every used this Formula on their baby and did

> >it work? I don't want to cause her any more pain.. I am praying

> >someone knows something about this Tenesmus and can help me to

find a

> >way to put a stop to her pain.. Help please!

> >Eibhlin

>

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Tenesmus is generally associated with inflammatory diseases of the bowel of both infectious and noninfectious - Has your dr run any tests, checked the colon, rectum? Are you brestfeeding at all? Here is an interesting website also http://www.henriettesherbal.com/eclectic/thomas/diarrhea-chil.html Dr. Schulze's Intestinal Formula #3 Promotes Soft and Easy Bowel Movements and is GREAT For Kids Of ALL Ages! This Formula is a GREAT tasting, liquid Laxative for the WHOLE Family. Although this Herbal Colon Cleansing Product was originally designed primarily for Children, it is STRONG ENOUGH for Adults too. Do NOT let the Doctor FILL your kids with TOXIC Mineral Oil, or tell you that Constipation is NORMAL and that they will grow out of it.

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teaspoons Eibhlin <eibhlinyah@...> wrote: My baby girl is only 1 month old she suffer's with pain and straining when trying to have a bowl movement, she is only having a bowel movement once every day or two.. the doctor call's it Tenesmus. She is on Enfamile Lipil and has been on Gentelease formula's which didn't make a difference in her pain.. I am looking for help in finding a natural way to help her to be healed from this pain she

suffers. I've read about Dr. Schulze's Intestinal Formula #3 and have bought some a few days ago but am not sure if I should use this on my baby. Has anyone here every used this Formula on their baby and did it work? I don't want to cause her any more pain.. I am praying someone knows something about this Tenesmus and can help me to find a way to put a stop to her pain.. Help please!Eibhlin

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Well if I could have breast feed my baby I surly would be doing it

now but I can not. I do agree it would solve the problem, if not

some of them. The only reason I've given her the apple juice/water

mixer and the Caro it is what the doctor said would help her but it

has not So I stopped the Caro but have been giving her the

juice/water mixer.

Eibhlin

>

> At only one month old why on earth isn't this child being

breastfed? That

> would solve all her problems, I'm sure. At this age she doesn't

need water

> or apple juice -- ESPECIALLY Caro syrup!! -- or anything, just pure

and

> natural mother's milk.

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> Sharyn

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> > I give her 2-4 oz of water dilluted with apple juice

> > each day (sometimes less if she refuses to drink it) The

> > doctor has me giving Caro syrup in her formula and that is

> > suppose to her but it does not.

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No the doctor didn't do any test at all.. He said that because she is

a D.S. baby that this is what can happen and has seen many D.S. baby

go through this.. something to do with how the rectum is made.. But

No, there was no confirmation on any condition.

No I can not breast feed..

Thanks for the website and the information about the I.F. #3, my baby

weigh's 7 lbs. 11 oz so I need to figure out how much is a good dose

for her.

Eibhlin

My baby girl is only 1 month old

she suffer's with pain and

> straining when trying to have a bowl movement, she is only having a

> bowel movement once every day or two.. the doctor call's it

Tenesmus.

> She is on Enfamile Lipil and has been on Gentelease formula's which

> didn't make a difference in her pain.. I am looking for help in

> finding a natural way to help her to be healed from this pain she

> suffers. I've read about Dr. Schulze's Intestinal Formula #3 and

have

> bought some a few days ago but am not sure if I should use this on

my

> baby. Has anyone here every used this Formula on their baby and did

> it work? I don't want to cause her any more pain.. I am praying

> someone knows something about this Tenesmus and can help me to find

a

> way to put a stop to her pain.. Help please!

> Eibhlin

>

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Yes her formula was changed already and it didn't help so the doc put

her back on the Enfamile Lipil. I know the research doesn't fit a

Infant but that is what the doc wrote on the paper as her dx. I am

going to try the I.F. #3 but will give her very little dose to start

and see what happens.

Eibhlin

> >

> > >My baby girl is only 1 month old she suffer's with pain and

> > >straining when trying to have a bowl movement, she is only

having a

> > >bowel movement once every day or two.. the doctor call's it

> Tenesmus.

> > >She is on Enfamile Lipil and has been on Gentelease formula's

which

> > >didn't make a difference in her pain.. I am looking for help in

> > >finding a natural way to help her to be healed from this pain

she

> > >suffers. I've read about Dr. Schulze's Intestinal Formula #3

and

> have

> > >bought some a few days ago but am not sure if I should use

this on

> my

> > >baby. Has anyone here every used this Formula on their baby

and did

> > >it work? I don't want to cause her any more pain.. I am praying

> > >someone knows something about this Tenesmus and can help me to

> find a

> > >way to put a stop to her pain.. Help please!

> > >Eibhlin

> >

>

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I agree totally about the formula not being good for her.. I have

searched for the raw goat or cow's milk in my area and can not find

anyone who sells it, I will continue to look. I use store bought

Organic Cow's milk for my family and I'm wondering since that is all

I can get right now if I should start her on the store bought Organic

Cow's milk now until I can find the raw milk?? To me it seems like

that would be better than the Enfamile. I've read alot on others

making Homemade formula using Cow's or Goat's milk, they add alot of

other ingredients to the Cow's milk. Do you think I need to add

anything to the Cow's milk before giving it to her now?? or will it

be ok to give her just the Organic Cow's milk alone? I would like to

give her the raw coconut milk but don't know where to even look for

that, Where would on buy this?

I stopped giving her the Caro Syrup a day or so ago and will not give

her anymore apple juice that is store bought. I will invest in a

good juicer and start getting the Organic apples at the store.

Shalom,

Eibhlin

> ====================

> Sorry Eibhlin,

>

> Guess I should have read the rest of the emails before answering.

Still,

> the formulas are not good at all. Neither is the Karo Syrup. The

apple

> juice is better but only if it is from freshly juiced apples and

not

> some pasteurized store bought stuff. Check around and see if you

can get

> some raw goat's milk or raw cow's milk (definitely organic though)

and

> try that. I realize that living in a large city may make that a

real

> challenge.

>

> I am truly sorry to hear that you cannot breast feed your daughter.

>

> Peace,

>

> Don

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Hello,

I'm new to this group and have been enjoying the information. I'm

joining the conversation on the tenesmus issue because a friend of mine

had a child with this condition. She found it was not the result of

constipation, but of the body's confusion about how to use the sphincter

muscles around the anus. The straining occurs because the urge is there,

but the baby has not been able to relax the sphincter. My friend was

told to very gently stimulate the anus with a small blunt object like

the eraser end of a pencil - obviously it must be soft enough it does no

harm to the child. She tried this just a few times before her son

learned to evacuate his bowels on his own. It's worth a try.

Tomato flower essence might also be helpful for inner cleansing,

Dandelion to help relax the body, or Trauma Soulution or Bach's Rescue

Remedy to help the baby release any feelings of trauma connected with

all the crying and straining.

Nanci

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Nanci, Thank you for joining in on this, from things that the doctor

said to me about her little rectum it sounds like this is exactly

what the problem is.. She does not have hard stool at all but has the

urge to go.. He said that her little anus is smaller than normal, and

she didn't know how to use her muscle there yet.. But he told me she

would suffer this way until she figured out how to use it. He did

tell me to lightly rub a Q-tip on the anus and that might help, but

it didn't.. I don't want to sit around and let her suffer, I'd like

to do whatever it takes to get her through this as soon as possible.

where do I find the Trauma Soulution or Bach's Rescue?

Eibhlin

>

> Hello,

>

> I'm new to this group and have been enjoying the information. I'm

> joining the conversation on the tenesmus issue because a friend of

mine

> had a child with this condition. She found it was not the result of

> constipation, but of the body's confusion about how to use the

sphincter

> muscles around the anus. The straining occurs because the urge is

there,

> but the baby has not been able to relax the sphincter. My friend

was

> told to very gently stimulate the anus with a small blunt object

like

> the eraser end of a pencil - obviously it must be soft enough it

does no

> harm to the child. She tried this just a few times before her son

> learned to evacuate his bowels on his own. It's worth a try.

>

> Tomato flower essence might also be helpful for inner cleansing,

> Dandelion to help relax the body, or Trauma Soulution or Bach's

Rescue

> Remedy to help the baby release any feelings of trauma connected

with

> all the crying and straining.

>

> Nanci

>

> --

> Nanci Wesling

> featherhawk essences

> http://www.featherhawk.com

> Restoring Sanity in a Crazy World... One Drop at a Time

>

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Where did you find this info about the nutritional deficiencies and

that it can be reversed through nutritioal supplements.. I'd like to

read this.. I have probiotics and plant enzymes here at home, how

much do I need to give her? Can it be put in her milk? Would like to

know more about this..

Eibhlin

>

> Sorry I was so quick to respond with that last message, before I

read the

> remainder of the thread. Even though Down's Syndrome is a birth

defect, it

> has a lot to do with nutritional deficiencies and can be reversed

through

> nutritional supplements according to medical documents. I would try

> plant-based enzymes, and probiotics. You can open up capsules and

dab a

> little on your finger and let her suck it off.

>

> Carol

>

> Posted by: " Eibhlin " eibhlinyah@... eibhlinyah

> Yes Down Syndrome.

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Eibhlin,

I'm sorry to hear the q-tip didn't work. You might try visualizing light

moving through her intestinal tract, and see her anal sphincter opening

and closing perfectly. You might also talk to your angels about the

problem and ask them to talk to her angels to see what they can do. I've

had success using this technique in many different situations, so it

might help. And, as silly as this might sound, you might just talk to

her body and explain to it how it is supposed to work.

To answer your question about the essences - the Bach Flower Essences

are available in most healthfood stores and can be found online if you

search on " Bach Flower Essences " or simply " Rescue Remedy. " Full

disclosure: I have a small company myself and I produce featherhawk

essences. Trauma Soulution is a featherhawk formula for relieving stress

and trauma.

If you have not used essences before, a search on " flower essences " or

" nature essences " will bring you lots of information about these gentle

healers from companies around the world.

be well,

nanci

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Restoring Sanity in a Crazy World... One Drop at a Time

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Sorry I

haven’t gotten back to you sooner, but I was looking for my video tape

with that information in.  It was a Down's Syndrome segment

from a TV show (48 Hours, on NBC, quite a while ago) and I couldn't find

it. I must have loaned it to someone and they never gave it back to

me. They interviewed a woman who used nutritional supplements to reverse

her child's Down's Syndrome within a few

months.  Her doctor was interviewed on

this television program to document that her daughter's facial features did

normalize following this supplement program.

DS is one extra chromosome, so you need to add the “short”

ingredients to balance out the “extra” ingredient. In other words, use

nutrition to compensate for the genetic overdose.

I would put the plant-based enzymes and probiotics

in her milk, or have her suck them off your finger until she starts on food,

when you can mix them into whatever she is eating.  Non-sweetened applesauce makes a great “mixer”.  Make sure the supplements you are using are

actually working – open up a capsule of your enzymes and stir it into

pudding.  If the pudding doesn’t

turn liquid in a minute or two, then the enzymes are not active and won’t

work inside the body either.  Then stir

in a capsule of your probiotics into some milk, and

if the milk doesn’t curdle, then they’re not working.

I would start very slow – maybe even ¼ capsule

or less at first for several days or weeks, then maybe up to ½ capsule, until

she gets a little bigger.  If I were you I

would also get a full-spectrum whole food nutritional supplement for her that

would supply the “extra” ingredients that she is missing.  One of my all time favorite whole food

supplements is blue green algae, which has every single nutrient known to man

(except D which comes from the sun).  After

much research, this is the one I’ve found that has the best overall

nutrition, highest in chlorophyll, active B vitamins, highest in EFA’s, etc. - http://tinyurl.com/g1iz

Carol

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    Posted by: " Eibhlin "

eibhlinyah@... eibhlinyah

Where

did you find this info about the nutritional deficiencies and

that it

can be reversed through nutritioal supplements.. I'd

like to

read

this.. I have probiotics and plant enzymes here at

home, how

much do

I need to give her?  Can it be put in her

milk? Would like to

know

more about this..

Eibhlin

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You may

never be able to find out what she is missing, so if it were me, I would go

with a full-spectrum nutrient-dense whole food supplement that has all the

naturally occurring nutrients – that way you’ll have all the

nutrients covered.

Carol

Posted by: " Eibhlin "

eibhlinyah@... eibhlinyah

Thanks

Carol for the info.. I went to the the

website for 48 hours but could not find any info on the Down Syndrome that was

helpful.. I will continue to search this out. I want to find out all I can to help My

Precious little girl to have the best possible life as she can without any

problems.. If I can find out what it is she is missing

I will give her what she needs. It would

be wonderful if the D.S. could be reversed..

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I'm awfully late with my response, sorry. I am interested in reading what others have to say about this. Kaelin, my granddaughter, is going through the same thing. She goes about once every three days, but when she does, it is a major production! I've heard that glycerin is helpful, but her doctor told me that once babies start on it, they have a hard time going without it. So we are cautious about it. The Dr. also said that we shouldn't be concerned when she is only going every few days. If it is more than a week, or hard little marbles (it is like butterscotch pudding these days) we should be concerned. I've suggested to my daughter that just mother's milk would be best. The baby is on mostly milk, and some formula when mommy cannot produce enough or is just plain too tired. I personally don't like using the formula. The baby reacts badly to it, gets a rash on her face, the

whole bit. Never heard of giving a baby Karo syrup or apple juice. What is the reasoning behind this? Anyway, I'll try to catch up on my email today, and see what others have to say on the subject. I will keep you and your baby in our prayers!!! Eibhlin <eibhlinyah@...> wrote: My baby girl is only 1 month old she suffer's with pain and straining when trying to have a bowl movement, she is only having a bowel movement once every day or two.. the doctor

call's it Tenesmus. She is on Enfamile Lipil and has been on Gentelease formula's which didn't make a difference in her pain.. I am looking for help in finding a natural way to help her to be healed from this pain she suffers. I've read about Dr. Schulze's Intestinal Formula #3 and have bought some a few days ago but am not sure if I should use this on my baby. Has anyone here every used this Formula on their baby and did it work? I don't want to cause her any more pain.. I am praying someone knows something about this Tenesmus and can help me to find a way to put a stop to her pain.. Help please!Eibhlin

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Don,

Some great info, as usual. I will pass it on to my daughter, as her

baby is going through a lot of the same thing. Something in me perked

up at the mention of coconut milk. I'll suggest we try it.

I agree in avoiding processed anything, especially for the babies.

When Kaelin is old enough to eat baby food, I've already made it

clear that I will either make myself or help them make natural,

organic, raw baby food. I will definitely put my foot down on that

crap they sell over the counter!!!

> Just curious Eibhlin, but why are you not breast feeding your

daughter?

> You don't have to answer if you don't wish to. However, all

formulas

> will create problems with children. The only natural food for a

baby up

> to 2 - 3 years of age is mother's milk, primarily, not some

laboratory

> chemical concoction. Never feed a baby unnatural foods (formulas,

> pablums, cereals, jar foods, etc.) all foods should be raw living

foods

> to give the child the enzymes to digest these foods. Their little

bodies

> have yet to form enough gut bacteria and their own enzymes. Raw

coconut

> milk, not canned, would be much better than Enfamil or any other

formula.

>

> Your daughter is telling you that she cannot properly digest this

> formula as it is dead, no living enzymes. You need to help her and

you

> can do this by either breast feeding her or giving her raw goat's

milk,

> cow's milk or coconut milk and the last is preferable to the first

two.

>

> There are many good raw sites that also talk about feeding of

babies and

> I would suggest you do a search and do some reading. You might try

> Jingee and Storm's site www.TheGardenDiet.com.

>

> Just some thoughts for you to consider Eibhlin.

>

> Peace,

>

> Don

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Isn't this the Rejuvelac? I ust it with great success! Never thought of

trying it with a baby, though.

--- In health , Suzanne <suziesgoats@...>

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> Sorry Eib, didn't think of this sooner .... Try Barley water.

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Are you using a formula with iron, by any chance? If so, that might

be the cause of the rash/breakout. Have the parents thought about

changing formula because of the reaction the baby is having? When I

had my second, due to major complications, the length of time I was

in the hospital and the amount of medication the doctor had me on,

there was no way to breast feed. The hospital OB ward had to go

through half a dozen formulas before they found one my daughter could

tolerate. She was on a soy formula that had I known then what I know

now, the child would have never drank. I would certainly try to find

something that doesn't break your grandangel baby out.

Apple juice and Karo syrup. Apple juice or Karo syrup (mixed with

water) is supposed to help move the bowels. The habit of using both

of these on babies has been around for decades, from my knowledge and

experience.

How do you like Colorado? I have a BIL & SIL that live in Aurora, too.

At 02:01 PM 7/4/2006, you wrote:

>I'm awfully late with my response, sorry. I am interested in reading

>what others have to say about this. Kaelin, my granddaughter, is

>going through the same thing. She goes about once every three days,

>but when she does, it is a major production!

>

>I've heard that glycerin is helpful, but her doctor told me that

>once babies start on it, they have a hard time going without it. So

>we are cautious about it. The Dr. also said that we shouldn't be

>concerned when she is only going every few days. If it is more than

>a week, or hard little marbles (it is like butterscotch pudding

>these days) we should be concerned.

>

>I've suggested to my daughter that just mother's milk would be best.

>The baby is on mostly milk, and some formula when mommy cannot

>produce enough or is just plain too tired.

>

>I personally don't like using the formula. The baby reacts badly to

>it, gets a rash on her face, whole bit.

>

>Never heard of giving a baby Karo syrup or apple juice. What is the

>reasoning behind this?

>

>Anyway, I'll try to catch up on my email today, and see what others

>have to say on the subject. I will keep you and your baby in our prayers!!!

>

>

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Hi , Yup, it's the stuff with iron. But we are down to less than on bottle of it a day now, leaning more and more on mothers milk, and it seems to be clearing up. Colorado is great, but very hot!! Still getting used to it. Haven't found a job yet, or a place of our own. We have till the end of the month, so don't feel to much pressure there. Aurora is just a hop away from where we are now. I'm looking at some apartments there tomorrow. Have a good one!! Landes <L@...> wrote: -Are you using a formula with iron, by any chance? .

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I started using the I.f.#3 on My little girl who is 7 weeks old

tomorrow.. she has been taking it for almost 2 weeks.. she is up to

21 drops that I give her with her evening feeding. She's now pooping

1-2 times a day, my goal is to get her to 3-4 times a day.. She is

feeling so much better now that the I.f. is working on her little

bowel's.. Before she would cry in pain with lot's of straining and no

poop.. but now when she starts grunting she has no pain or crying,

just a red face and a full diaper. :-) I started her off with 5

drops and worked up to 21 to get her to this point.

I tried the glycerin too but it wasn't working on the real problem,

that is why I started the I.f.#3..

As for the Karo syrup and the apple juice, the doc told me it was to

loosen her stool, but that really wasn't my babies problem so it

didn't help her, her problem was pain when trying to poop..

As for formula, I make the NT formula from the Weston A. Price

foundation at http://www.westonaprice.org/children/recipes.html using

the goat's milk.. My baby is doing so much better on this formula.

As for the powder formula Enfamile and such like are not good for

your baby at all..

I hope this answers some of your question and your baby will get the

helps she needs..

Shalom,

Eibhlin

> My baby girl is only 1 month old she suffer's with pain

and

> straining when trying to have a bowl movement, she is only having a

> bowel movement once every day or two.. the doctor call's it

Tenesmus.

> She is on Enfamile Lipil and has been on Gentelease formula's which

> didn't make a difference in her pain.. I am looking for help in

> finding a natural way to help her to be healed from this pain she

> suffers. I've read about Dr. Schulze's Intestinal Formula #3 and

have

> bought some a few days ago but am not sure if I should use this on

my

> baby. Has anyone here every used this Formula on their baby and did

> it work? I don't want to cause her any more pain.. I am praying

> someone knows something about this Tenesmus and can help me to find

a

> way to put a stop to her pain.. Help please!

> Eibhlin

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