Guest guest Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 Welcome Maggie!! yes even "no meat" eaters could be at risk.No human cases of bird flu have been linked to eating poultry, although in at least one instance, the H5N1 virus was found in a package of frozen duck. Because heat destroys avian viruses, WHO officials don't consider cooked poultry a health threat. Even so, it's best to take precautions when handling and preparing poultry, which is often contaminated with salmonella or other harmful bacteria. There are other precautions to take and some good info... but staying healthy and wise is the best advice The entire article is at http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/library/DS/00566.html very interesting reading. Maggie H <maggie.hyer@...> wrote: Hi-I've been lurking here a while and have not posted yet. I really enjoy the group and am thankful for the knowledge you all share.I can tell you for sure that avian flu is airborne, so even those of us who eat no meat at all are susceptible. Suzi What is a weed? A plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered. health/ http://suziesgoats.wholefoodfarmacy.com/ Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 Tone wrote: > Morning all, > > Hope this finds you well. Should I not feed my kitties raw poultry > anymore due to this? I am even wary of cooking chicken for my son now > though it is not too frequent as he is not all that crazy about it > anyways. Thankyou > Wishing all a beautiful and blessed day > Toni > ======================== If you are eating free range, organic chicken, duck, goose, turkey or any other bird then you have nothing to worry about. If on the hand, you are eating Tyson's " we pack 'em 20 to a cage " fed dead animals processed into their food then you will have much to worry about. This whole avian flu is nothing but a huge smoke screen. The huge foul, er I mean fowl producers are the ones that are creating the problem. It is not the wild birds or the healthy free range birds as they do not get ill. However, you will note that the huge producers are not having to cull their birds at all. Don't believe for a second that their birds are healthy either. Just like you won't get ill unless your body is toxic. This is nothing more than a world wide agenda to instill fear into every man woman and child for a particular reason. This reason is called control. Those powers that be are very interested in having every human dependent on them for their health, food and soon to be water. It's a happening thing. Don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 Thanks for the welcome. I think I should correct what I said earlier. So far, this round of avian flu has not become airborne, but historically when H5N1 has mutated to become airborne it has caused pandemics. From what I understand the current strain is 2 mutations away from becoming transmissible from human to human in an airborne form. So Suzi is absolutely correct that we are all ok for now. As far as wild or free range birds not becoming infected, the following is a brief clip from Reuters about recent events: " BERLIN, Feb 24, 2006 (Reuters) - Two more German states said on Friday that wild ducks had tested positive for the deadly H5N1 strain of bird flu as the virus spread across Europe's biggest economy. Two dead ducks were found to carry the dangerous strain of avian flu in the northwestern state of Schleswig-Holstein, while another one tested positive in the southwestern state of Baden Wuerttemberg. " Both of the birds have tested positive for H5N1. " said Schleswig-Holstein's agriculture ministry in a statement. More than 100 wild birds -- most of them on the Baltic island of Ruegen -- have tested positive for bird flu since the disease first reached Germany on Feb 14. " -MaggieOn 3/19/06, Suzanne <suziesgoats@...> wrote: I think you're fine for now Toni. Suzi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 Maggie H wrote: > Thanks for the welcome. > I think I should correct what I said earlier. So far, this round of > avian flu has not become airborne, but historically when H5N1 has > mutated to become airborne it has caused pandemics. From what I > understand the current strain is 2 mutations away from becoming > transmissible from human to human in an airborne form. > So Suzi is absolutely correct that we are all ok for now. > As far as wild or free range birds not becoming infected, the > following is a brief clip from Reuters about recent events: > > " BERLIN, Feb 24, 2006 (Reuters) - Two more German states said on > Friday that wild ducks had tested positive for the deadly H5N1 strain > of bird flu as the virus spread across Europe's biggest economy. Two > dead ducks were found to carry the dangerous strain of avian flu in > the northwestern state of Schleswig-Holstein, while another one tested > positive in the southwestern state of Baden Wuerttemberg. " Both of the > birds have tested positive for H5N1. " said Schleswig-Holstein's > agriculture ministry in a statement. More than 100 wild birds -- most > of them on the Baltic island of Ruegen -- have tested positive for > bird flu since the disease first reached Germany on Feb 14. " > > -Maggie > ====================== Hi Maggie and welcome to the group, Any bird collected, heck for that matter most any animal or human will test positive for H5N1. This virus is everywhere all the time just as HIV and any other virus. Now if you wish to believe that a virus can make you ill then that is your choice. If you wish to believe that only you and you alone can make yourself ill then that is your choice as well. As for me I quit believing in the Pasteur philosophy quite some time ago. Bacteria, viruses and fungi do not, in and of themselves, cause disease. Disease is caused by choices in thought, diet, and lifestyle. There is no other cause. A toxic body is a breeding ground for any of the above microorganisms as they are known as natures trash collectors or garbage men. They clean up the waste and in doing so will create some of their own, true. But they do not cause the original disease. As far a listening to major media I would take what I read with a great deal of salt. All the major media are manipulated and told what to write and when. I thought everyone knew this. Not only that but does anyone really know whether these ducks actually had the virus? Or was there some manipulative mumbo-jumbo voodoo to make it appear that way for a reason? Hmmmm...??? There is no human, animal, or plant that will become ill if it is in a healthy state free of toxemia. Not possible. But I don't want you to believe me. I want you to do your own research and educate yourself into what is true or not. Of course it is your choice whether you wish to believe everything you read and hear or not. I am not going to tell you that what you hear is right or wrong. I will voice my opinion but it is up to you to decide what you wish to believe. It is up to you to educate yourself in what is true and what is not. I am just giving you another view from my own perspective and research. Don Quai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 Hi Don and thanks for the welcome. I appreciate hearing others opinions on any subject and certainly was not trying to attack yours in any way. Like you, I was just presenting alternative thinking on the subject. " Of course it is your choice whether you wish to believe everything you read and hear or not. " I certainly do not believe everything I read and hear, but some things start to take on some credibility with me when I read them many times from a large variety of sources, not all just corporate owned media. I remain open to anyone's thoughts. After all, everyone is a teacher and we are all also students. :^) Peace, Maggie On 3/20/06, Don Eitner <mysticalherbalist@...> wrote: ====================== Hi Maggie and welcome to the group, Any bird collected, heck for that matter most any animal or human will test positive for H5N1. This virus is everywhere all the time just as HIV and any other virus. Now if you wish to believe that a virus can make you ill then that is your choice. If you wish to believe that only you and you alone can make yourself ill then that is your choice as well. As for me I quit believing in the Pasteur philosophy quite some time ago. Bacteria, viruses and fungi do not, in and of themselves, cause disease. Disease is caused by choices in thought, diet, and lifestyle. There is no other cause. A toxic body is a breeding ground for any of the above microorganisms as they are known as natures trash collectors or garbage men. They clean up the waste and in doing so will create some of their own, true. But they do not cause the original disease. As far a listening to major media I would take what I read with a great deal of salt. All the major media are manipulated and told what to write and when. I thought everyone knew this. Not only that but does anyone really know whether these ducks actually had the virus? Or was there some manipulative mumbo-jumbo voodoo to make it appear that way for a reason? Hmmmm...??? There is no human, animal, or plant that will become ill if it is in a healthy state free of toxemia. Not possible. But I don't want you to believe me. I want you to do your own research and educate yourself into what is true or not. Of course it is your choice whether you wish to believe everything you read and hear or not. I am not going to tell you that what you hear is right or wrong. I will voice my opinion but it is up to you to decide what you wish to believe. It is up to you to educate yourself in what is true and what is not. I am just giving you another view from my own perspective and research. Don Quai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 Thanks Suzi. My Dad said that to me when I was a very small kid. It was a few years before I understood what he meant and it has stuck with me since. :^) MaggieOn 3/20/06, Suzanne <suziesgoats@...> wrote: I like this statement MaggieMaggie H <maggie.hyer@... > wrote: everyone is a teacher and we are all also students. Suzi What is a weed? A plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered. health/ http://suziesgoats.wholefoodfarmacy.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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