Re: Deaf Blind -- Off topic

[Guest guest]

I was born hard of hearing -- so no oral language was easy for me to

learn!

When I was in my mid 30s I tried to learn sign language. In some

ways that was so easy to learn -- because it was so accessible. But

in other ways it was hard. I would go to ASL class after work when

I was really, really tired and it wasn't easy for me to switch gears

and be expressive esp. using facial expressions that were not just

considered " appropriate " when speaking verbally in English.

I took the class with another HoH friend. We were the only HoH

people in the class which was taught by a Deaf man fluet in sign.

He told us no speaking out loud! So of course all the hearing

people turned into ventriloquists and then they would whisper too!

Why they whispered I'll never know, because the teacher was

extremely deaf. But my friend and I were dying. If we helped each

other out we would be " caught " because we had to speak so we could

read each others lips. The hearing folks helped each other out but

we couldn't hear them or lip read them. It was really terrible.

Also my HoH friend and I were use to zeroing in on the two-inch

square area around the lips. I didn't realize how much so until we

learned sign where its really very important to take in a much

larger area. Another adjustment! <s>

I had to work too many hours then to keep up with ASL. Learning ASL

really takes a major committment and to be sucessful I think you

need to find people to talk to frequently in it. I have more time

now and I might give it a try -- but it sure isn't something most

people can learn in a few months -- IMHO anyway.

What I did like about ASL was that I think I learned enough of it so

I got to the point where I could feel I got another perspective (at

least once or twice) that a different language gives you because of

its native expressions or just the way it strings together words,

(signs in this case) to form ideas. So reaching that point and

experiencing that was magical. I always did want to learn enough of

a second language to get to that point.

I tried teaching myself French a while back also. Not a lot, just

enough to make myself understood while traveling in Quebec. I

struggled with a Berlitz book and I picked up some vocabulary but of

course when I got to Quebec no French person could understand me. I

was mispronouncing everything!

I don't know which language (English or French) would be easier to

learn if one was going to learn both at the same age. But once I

got to the point where I was pronouncing some of the words correctly

(with the help of some very patient French Canadians, G-d bless 'em

<smile> ) -- I really liked the way the language felt on my lips and

tongue -- and even in my nose (that French n sound ...).

Its a really beautiful language ... And Bonne Chance is one of my

favorite expressions. I just like the way French evolved to express

the idea of good luck ...

Well, I certainly rambled! Blame ! lol!

Shera

In French:

J'ai été soutenu dur de l'audition -- ainsi il n'était facile pour

moi apprendre aucune langue orale!

Quand j'étais dans mon mi 30s j'ai essayé d'apprendre la langue de

signe. Par certains côtés il était si facile apprendre ce -- parce

qu'il était si accessible. Mais d'autres manières il était dur.

J'irais à la classe d'cAsl après travail quand j'étais vraiment,

vraiment fatigué et il n'était pas facile pour moi de commuter des

vitesses et être des expressions faciales employantes en particulier

expressives qui n'étaient pas simplement considérées " appropriez-

vous " en parlant verbalement en anglais.

J'ai pris la classe avec un autre ami de HoH. Nous étions les

seules personnes de HoH dans la classe qui a été enseignée par un

fluet sourd d'homme dans le signe. Il ne nous a dit aucun parler

dehors fort! Ainsi naturellement toutes les personnes d'audition se

sont transformées en ventriloquists et alors elles chuchoteraient

aussi! Pourquoi ils ont chuchoté je ne connaîtrai jamais, parce que

le professeur était extrêmement sourd. Mais mon ami et moi

mouraient. Si nous nous dépannions nous " serions attrapés " parce

que nous avons dû parler ainsi nous pourrions lire chaque autres des

lèvres. Les gens d'audition se sont aidés hors de mais nous ne

pourrions pas entendre eux ou la lèvre les lire. Elle était

vraiment terrible.

En outre mon ami et moi de HoH étaient utilisation à la mise à zéro

dedans sur le secteur carré de deux pouces autour des lèvres. Je

n'ai pas réalisé combien ainsi jusqu'à ce que nous ayons appris le

signe où son vraiment très important pour prendre dans un secteur

beaucoup plus grand. Un autre ajustement! < s >

J'ai dû travailler trop d'heures puis pour suivre ASL. L'étude ASL

prend vraiment un committment important et pour être sucessful je

vous pense le besoin de trouver des personnes pour parler à

fréquemment dans lui. J'ai plus de temps maintenant et je pourrais

donner lui un essai -- mais lui sûr n'est pas quelque chose que la

plupart des personnes peuvent apprendre en quelques mois -- IMHO de

toute façon.

Ce que j'ai aimé environ ASL était que je pense j'ai appris assez de

lui ainsi j'ai obtenu au point en raison d'où je pourrais que me

sentir j'ai obtenu à une autre perspective (au moins une fois ou

deux fois) qu'une langue différente vous donne ses expressions

indigènes ou juste la manière qu'elle ficelle ensemble des mots,

(des signes dans ce cas-ci) pour former des idées. Ainsi l'atteinte

de ce point et une expérience de cela étaient magiques. Je toujours

ai voulu apprendre assez d'une deuxième langue pour obtenir à ce

point.

J'ai essayé de m'enseigner le français un dos de moment également.

Pas beaucoup, juste assez pour se faire compris tout en voyageant au

Québec. J'ai lutté avec un livre de Berlitz et j'ai pris un certain

vocabulaire mais naturellement quand je suis arrivé au Québec aucune

personne française ne pourrait me comprendre. Je mispronouncing

tout!

Je ne sais pas quelle langue (anglaise ou française) soyez plus

facile d'apprendre si on allait apprendre tous les deux au même

âge. Mais une fois que j'obtenais au point sur où je prononçais

certains des mots correctement (avec l'aide de quelques Canadiens

français patients mêmes, G-d bénissent la 'fin de support < sourire

>) -- j'ai vraiment aimé la manière que la langue s'est sentie mes

lèvres et langue -- et même dans mon nez (qui bruit français de

n...).

Son une langue vraiment belle... Et la bonne chance est un de mes

expressions préférées. J'aime juste les Français de manière évolués

pour exprimer l'idée de la bonne chance...

Bien, je rambled certainement! Blâme ! lol!

Shera

> Yep,

> Shera, Jacques, and

> Do you think that French language is easier to you than English,

or is English the easier language you ever learned?

>

> Also, do you think that English have short letters, words,

sentences, and paragraphs than French? For example:

>

> ENGLISH: Hello.

> FRENCH: Bonjour.

>

> What do you think about the difference between English and French?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

LoL Jacques!

I bet! Well I am still laughing at the English translation Google

did of your message written in French.

Its nice to have the tool -- but its funny to read how it mangles

each language's collequisms or expressions.

Your English is very good -- and I bet you don't need the French

translation at all! Except perhaps for a good laugh!

Shera

LoL Jacques!

J'ai parié! Le puits que je ris toujours de la traduction en

anglais Google a fait de votre message écrit en français.

Son gentil pour avoir l'outil drôle -- mais son pour lire comment il

essoreuses les collequisms ou les expressions de chaque langue.

Votre anglais est très bon -- et je parie que vous n'avez pas besoin

de la traduction française du tout! Excepté peut-être pour un bon

rire!

Shera

> Hi Shera,

> Thank you for your good wishes. It was really amazing to read the

> translation google does of your message (smile). Have a good day.

>

> Jacques

>

[Guest guest]

Ah, but you cheated! You did not give us your opinions ..

no fair! <s>

Shera

Ampèreheure mais " Torch " <s> que vous avez triché! Vous ne nous

avez pas donné vos avis... aucune foire!

Shera

> LOL, Yeah, blame on me, Everybody! :-) Just kidding.

>

> Shera, thank you so much for sharing that stories with us,it was a

wonderful story, with the answers to my questions. :-) Thanks.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

> Wha? LOL, Well, sorry, but I was in a hurry to help with my

grandmother. She just got out of the hospital 2 days ago. She had

water in her lungs and her blood pressure went too much higher, so

she is staying at my house for a few days with an supervision

moitioring her. I am sitting with her with my laptop in the living

room watching her. Sorry, but I have to agree that 15 years old boy

is fine to work as a supervisor. :-)

LoL! Why not? Seriously, I hope your grandmother recovers quickly.

>

> Actually, I think that English is easier than French, however, ASL

is too easy to learn,

We must agree to disagree since I will never agree that something

can be too easy to learn! If it comes easily its a gift and makes

up for the other things that take a lot of work!

> since it have hands showing the picture, for example, dog, you

just snap your finger (but not really snap).. but it is really hard

to learn the grammar way, because English's grammar and ASL grammar

is much difference. ASL, you don't have to say " a " or " an " or " do " ,

some things like that, but English, you have to do that for a polite

and professional language. I am sorry if You don't understand this,

but it is really hard for me to explain. :-(

I think you did a good job! I also think I will have to stop

reading this forum for a while. I really enjoyed all the

conversations -- not just this one but also how well so many people

are doing with their implants including Cherry and Lee -- but my to

do pile just got much higher and is quite scary looking right now!

Bye for awhile --

Shera