Re: Tone

November 1, 2002

,

I only do Tone training with people who show significant issues in the following

areas:

1. A history of high stress, anxiety and/or depression over a period of time;

2. Physiological (autonomic) symptoms;

3. Often a history of abuse or trauma;

4. Often a history or appearance of " rebound " effects (migraines, irritable

bowel, panic attacks, etc.)

As in any bipolar montage, it makes no difference which electrode is active and

which is reference.

I often just do 20 minutes in a single burst rather than breaking up the

session. I also sometimes do 2 10-minute segments or 4 5-minute segments, if I

am trying to determine the response to a particular reward frequency.

In the assessment, with Tone clients we will often find a significant difference

between left temporal and right temporal activity in the hibeta (23-38 Hz)

range. This is usually, but not always, higher on the right side. I believe

that what is happening is that the left hippocampus, which has been shown to

shut down in long periods of ongoing stress, because it cannot turn off the

release of stress hormones as a result of ongoing high levels of distess in the

amygdala, ceases to function well. When the fear reaction is triggered in the

right amygdala (as it frequently is in Tone clients), this shows up as very fast

activity in the right hippocampus.

We are training the temporal lobes to communicate with each other through the

anterior commissure, and training a quieting in the hippocampus/amygdala

connection. At least that's what I believe.

What often happens is recover of memories (or at least parts of them) and a

generally sense of release and relaxation--often an awareness of a " locked-up "

feeling in body energy centers (e.g. the solar plexus), which also slowly

releases, often with an integration of that emotional material.

This is different from alpha/theta training, which is often a good follow-up to

Tone training, in that the material which comes to awareness is often almost

purely emotional, whereas there is more of a memory imagery component in my

experience during A/T training.

Pete

Tone

Hi Pete

I am going to explore the Tone issues with T3 T4 / G.

2 questions:

1-Is the same with is active or referral isn't it?

2- How do you split the 20 or 30 min session? By 2 min, 3 min.

I think with this we have a direct access to Hippocampus also, yes?

Well, thanks

Have a beautiful day!

November 1, 2002

Pete and ,

Not sure I totally agree with your assessment of right and left temporal lobes

and training therein. Yesterday I had a young gal 14 yrs. old who is the child

of " Alan Schore " and two sociopathic parents. Much abuse. We were doing the

intake analysis on here and when I got to the C, P and T sites high beta was not

a factor. Right sided theta in the parietal lobe. was highest, then the

temporal lobe. and finally at C4. It was extremely high. Alpha was appropriate.

Essentially, she dissociated with task. I think this fits Seburn's model to a

tea. How would you train this Pete? I would train T3-T4 (very low), P3-P4 and

finally T4-P4.

I think the left Temporal lobe is functional in these individuals. I think it is

not talking to the right temporal lobe which absorbed the abuse like a sponge

early one, continues to and reacts immediately. I think getting them to talk

and communicate is essential. I have worked with many lately where my best

response to training is coming from training T3-T4 inhibit 2-6, reward 6-9,

inhibit 23-38. This of course follows Sue Othmer's latest protocol.

Rosemary

Tone

Hi Pete

I am going to explore the Tone issues with T3 T4 / G.

2 questions:

1-Is the same with is active or referral isn't it?

2- How do you split the 20 or 30 min session? By 2 min, 3 min.

I think with this we have a direct access to Hippocampus also, yes?

Well, thanks

Have a beautiful day!

November 1, 2002

Rosemary,

Thanks for your perspective on this, though I don't see clearly where we differ.

I didn't say that I always found a high-beta differential, just that I often

found it.

Tone protocol is T3/T4 (to start) training down theta and hibeta (if it is

there) and training up SMR, but sliding down the SMR frequency based on age and

client response. I haven't had to go as low as you did in general, but if the

child is young enough, I might get there.

I didn't mean to say (if I did) that the temporal lobes were not functional.

Rather the hippocampus on the left, which is where declarative memory of events

is processed, tends not to be very functional (often even under-sized). Hence

there is, as Teicher found, a strong emotional memory trigger on the right

related to any kind of " negative " experience that triggers the amygdala to

activate, but no cognitive perspective into which to place it. I would agree

that getting the two sides communicating (which I believe I said) is a primary

goal of training.

I don't worry too much about where I find slow activity in the EEG with Tone

clients, because the real problem is in the Limbic/ANS link, well down below the

cortex. The issues which show up higher in the performance hierarchy can be

trained without dealing with the tone issue, but in my experience they don't

result in lasting changes until you unwind the autonomic system.

Glad to hear I'm in line with what Sue Othmer is doing these days. I haven't

been connected with Spectrum (or wherever Sue is these days) since my training

with them in 1996 or 97.

Thanks again for your thoughts.

Pete

Tone

Hi Pete

I am going to explore the Tone issues with T3 T4 / G.

2 questions:

1-Is the same with is active or referral isn't it?

2- How do you split the 20 or 30 min session? By 2 min, 3 min.

I think with this we have a direct access to Hippocampus also, yes?

Well, thanks

Have a beautiful day!

November 3, 2002

I have a question about the statement below, I do not understand why it

makes no difference. If the active electrode is T3 and the reference is T4,

then we are measuring how T3 is different from T4, yes? So then if SMR is

trained up, won't SMR at T3 go up relative to T4? And if the active

electrode was at T4, wouldn't SMR at T4 go up relative to T3?

Hope you can clarify. Thanxx.

Foxx

> As in any bipolar montage, it makes no difference which electrode is

active and which is reference.

>

November 3, 2002

Rosemary,

Would you tell us about the type of clients you are using the new Sue Othmer

protocol with, the one you described in your last e-mail?

Thanks,

JoAnn

JoAnn Blumenthal, MS, MA, LMHC

Biofeedback Center of Florida, Inc.

8850 Terrene Ct (107) Bonita Springs, Florida 34135

Office: 239-949-2300 Fax: 239-949-0048

November 3, 2002

Foxx,

The terms " active " and " reference " are arbitrary. We are measuring the

difference (the voltage drop) between the electrical potential at one site and

the other. Imagine you were measuring the distance between a hilltop and a

valley bottom. If you started in one place, you'd get positive 200 feet. If

you started at the other site, you'd get a negative 200 feet. Either way, the

difference is 200 feet.

When you train your brain to increase the difference in a bipolar montage, you

really have no way of knowing which way it's going to do it (though you can

often make a fair guess). For example, let's say that the average difference in

SMR between T3 (5 microvolts) and T4 (10 microvolts) is 5 microvolts, and we

train up this difference.

T3 goes to 4 and T4 stays at 10.

T3 stays at 5 and T4 goes to 11.

T3 goes to 6 and T4 goes to 12.

T3 goes to 4 and T4 goes to 11

T3 and T4 signals move further out of phase.

These are five feasible ways the brain could meet our training challenge.

Unless you also happened to be monitoring with monopolar electrodes at the same

sites at the same time, you wouldn't know which of these (or other) approaches

your particular brain took.

The important question, from my point of view, would be: how did the client

respond the the training as we did it? Changing the hookup from T3/T4 to T4/T3

would rarely make any difference.

Hope this helps.

Pete

Re: Re: Tone

I have a question about the statement below, I do not understand why it

makes no difference. If the active electrode is T3 and the reference is T4,

then we are measuring how T3 is different from T4, yes? So then if SMR is

trained up, won't SMR at T3 go up relative to T4? And if the active

electrode was at T4, wouldn't SMR at T4 go up relative to T3?

Hope you can clarify. Thanxx.

Foxx

> As in any bipolar montage, it makes no difference which electrode is

active and which is reference.

>

November 4, 2002

JoAnn,

I have used the low 6-9 reward C3-C4 on three migraine clients, on one

PTSD/tension headache client, a RAD client and an Asperger's. Rosemary

Re: Re: Tone

Rosemary,

Would you tell us about the type of clients you are using the new Sue Othmer

protocol with, the one you described in your last e-mail?

Thanks,

JoAnn

JoAnn Blumenthal, MS, MA, LMHC

Biofeedback Center of Florida, Inc.

8850 Terrene Ct (107) Bonita Springs, Florida 34135

Office: 239-949-2300 Fax: 239-949-0048

November 7, 2002

Pete;

I am working with a teen with ADD, I believe of the overly focused

variety. He seems to have a preponderance of tone issues. Your recent

post makes me wonder if I didn't understand something about the T3/T4

protocol. In this case at T3/T4 his hibeta is the highest rythm, with

beta second to that. I started out augmenting 12-15, inhibiting

hibeta and theta, to no subjective effect. So after progressive five

minute intervals I increased the augment until I was at 15-18, with

the only effect being reported, after almost forty minutes, was that

he felt a " just a little " when I asked if he felt sleepy. Would one

go higher? Does one always get noticable effects the first session?

SDC

> > Along these lines - for you folks who are really interested: I

> helped

> > develop a " heart coherence training " (this involves second order

> FFT of EKG)

> > device called 'heart tuner'. This may be a little to " out there "

> for some

> > (based on Sacred Geometry) but there is current reserach going on

> with it at

> > our lab in Netherlands.

> >

> > Check it out:

> > www.heartcoherence.com

> >

> > Marty

November 9, 2002

,

Why were you increasing the reward frequency? If he is " overly focused " , I

would assume more of a Filtering than Processing type, which would suggest lower

training reward frequencies, and that would usually be my first step with a Tone

client as well.

Pete

Re: tone