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In a message dated 7/6/2004 6:25:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

vicki@... writes:

Thus, most of deaf America have such a difficult time reading/writing

English. What a shame.

most? i don't think so. small number, yes, but not " most "

Lee

Guest guest
Posted

Thus, most of deaf America have such a difficult time reading/writing

English. What a shame.

Vicki G.

ASL & French

> Hi All,

> One of the reasons ASL and French are similar is because t

> Clerc, who helped found Gallaudet College, was French, and used French

> sign language as a basis for American Sign Language.

>

>

> Nucleus Volunteer

>

Guest guest
Posted

Vicki,

I couldn't agree with you more. When I went to the deaf camps in Kentucky,

they, too, have weak education of writing and reading and grammar. Thank

Goodness I went to the public school, and also Thank God I am still attending

public high school. :-) Poor these kids.

ASL & French

> Hi All,

> One of the reasons ASL and French are similar is because t

> Clerc, who helped found Gallaudet College, was French, and used French

> sign language as a basis for American Sign Language.

>

>

> Nucleus Volunteer

>

Guest guest
Posted

And just to add to the French connection, a Frenchman by the name

of Louis Braille invented braille. The letter 'w' is the only letter

that we had to add to the braille code because it is not in the French

language.

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Proofread carefully to see if you any words out.

& Gimlet (Guide Dawggie)

Portland, Oregon

N24C 3G 8/2000 Hookup

rlclark77@...

http://home.comcast.net/~rlclark77/

Guest guest
Posted

Oh, really? I didn't know that! Wow! :-) Thanks for teaching me about that,

teach. :)

Re: ASL & French

And just to add to the French connection, a Frenchman by the name

of Louis Braille invented braille. The letter 'w' is the only letter

that we had to add to the braille code because it is not in the French

language.

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Proofread carefully to see if you any words out.

& Gimlet (Guide Dawggie)

Portland, Oregon

N24C 3G 8/2000 Hookup

rlclark77@...

http://home.comcast.net/~rlclark77/

Guest guest
Posted

Just to add to 's comments, there are over 180 contractions in

Braille. This was one of the first things my Braille teacher ever told me. I

almost fell of my chair in disbelief and asked, " You expect me to learn all

of them?? " <grin> Sometimes it's easy to forget what it was like learning

all of those contractions after using Braille for years. LOL!

Guest guest
Posted

Grade 1 braille is like fingerspelling, its just the alphabet,

numbers and basic punctuation. The numbers are the first 10 letters

along with a special code that tells us its a number and not a letter.

Easy to learn. 26 letters, the more common punctuation, and you have

Grade 1.

Grade 2 has 189 codes I believe. Contracted braille, uhm lets

see. An example is the word " knowledge " is represented in Grade 2 by

a single letter, k. How do we know its that word? That letter k all

my its lonesome cannot have another meaning. Then there is a group of

codes using two braille cells (a braille cell is made up of 6 dots)

and this is about 50 two cell codes. These are the ones I have more

trouble with. LOL

.. 1 4

.. 2 5

.. 3 6

Pretend that is a cell. Top left to bottom is 1 2 3. Top right

to bottom is 4 5 6.

I wont do the whole alpahbet but say a is dot 1, b is dot 1 2. C

is 1 4.

A thru J then you take those and add a dot 3 and you have K thru

S. Then take K L M N O, add a dot 6 and you have letters T U V X Y.

W had to be added in by us English blokes.

More than you ever wanted to know, right. LOL

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I'm not tense, just terribly, terribly alert....

& Gimlet (Guide Dawggie)

Portland, Oregon

N24C 3G 8/2000 Hookup

rlclark77@...

http://home.comcast.net/~rlclark77/

Guest guest
Posted

,

Braille can be difficult to understand -- especially if you don't read and

write it yourself.

Let me see if I can come up with an analogy...

Grade 1 Braille is similar to fingerspelling a word letter by letter. Grade

2 Braille is similar to taking a fingerspelled word and giving it a sign of

its own. It's still the same word, but is given its own sign to make

communication faster. For example, instead of fingerspelling the word

C-H-I-C-A-G-O, you sign it in ASL.

Does this explanation make sense?

Guest guest
Posted

,

yes, but I don't understand how Braille have a sign for Chicago, if a

deaf/blind person can't see the sign " Chicago " LoL. Sorry :-\

Guest guest
Posted

Hi .

When there is only one dot, how do you tell which one it is?

Cheers

Dave

At 19:44 6/07/2004 -0700, you wrote:

> Grade 1 braille is like fingerspelling, its just the alphabet,

>numbers and basic punctuation. The numbers are the first 10 letters

>along with a special code that tells us its a number and not a letter.

>Easy to learn. 26 letters, the more common punctuation, and you have

>Grade 1.

>

> Grade 2 has 189 codes I believe. Contracted braille, uhm lets

>see. An example is the word " knowledge " is represented in Grade 2 by

>a single letter, k. How do we know its that word? That letter k all

>my its lonesome cannot have another meaning. Then there is a group of

>codes using two braille cells (a braille cell is made up of 6 dots)

>and this is about 50 two cell codes. These are the ones I have more

>trouble with. LOL

>

> .. 1 4

> .. 2 5

> .. 3 6

>

> Pretend that is a cell. Top left to bottom is 1 2 3. Top right

>to bottom is 4 5 6.

>

> I wont do the whole alpahbet but say a is dot 1, b is dot 1 2. C

>is 1 4.

>

> A thru J then you take those and add a dot 3 and you have K thru

>S. Then take K L M N O, add a dot 6 and you have letters T U V X Y.

>W had to be added in by us English blokes.

>

> More than you ever wanted to know, right. LOL

>

>*---* *---* *---* *---* *---*

>I'm not tense, just terribly, terribly alert....

> & Gimlet (Guide Dawggie)

>Portland, Oregon

>N24C 3G 8/2000 Hookup

>rlclark77@...

>http://home.comcast.net/~rlclark77/

>

>

>

>

>

>

Guest guest
Posted

Hi ,

I'm not sure I understand what you are asking. Can you clarify?

If you are asking how a deafblind person would identify the sign for

Chicago, they do this by placing their hands over the person who is signing

to them. This is called tactile sign and allows them to feel what the other

person is signing.

Braille does not have its own signs like sign language. Instead, it has its

own contractions (or symbols) which make reading faster. When I compared

Braille to sign language, I was trying to show how both of them use

shortened words (or in the case of sign language -- signsd) to make reading

(or communication) faster.

Have I confused you further? I hope not! <smile>

If you like, I can send you a few websites that explain how Braille is used.

They might help answer some of your questions about how words appear in

Braille and how a blind or deafblind person can read them.

Guest guest
Posted

,

A blind or deafblind person can identify words in Braille by learning all of

its contractions. After all of the contractions are learned, he/she can

distinguish between words, numbers and punctuation. They also use the

context (meaning) of a sentence in order to understand what he/she is

reading.

Guest guest
Posted

Dave,

Good question. There is a set of rules, 14 in all I think, that

covers the use of grade 2 braille. A, I, and O for example are not

used for contracted signs so when you encounter dot 1 by itself its

the letter a and nothing else.

Basically, you learn what the meaning of a dot is by its reference

to other dots. The comma is dot 2 and nothing else so when you are

reading, you feel dot 2, you know its a comma due to its location in

reference to what came before it. Context in other words. Braille is

really fun, dont need light to read. LOL

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Hard work never hurt anyone, but why take the chance.

& Gimlet (Guide Dawggie)

Portland, Oregon

N24C 3G 8/2000 Hookup

rlclark77@...

http://home.comcast.net/~rlclark77/

Guest guest
Posted

<<Braille is fun. don't need light to read. LOL>>

,

You're right about that! I had a counselor at Wisconsin Lion's Camp who

wouldn't allow us to read Braille books past our bedtime. (We were only 8 or

9 years old at the time and many of us would read until the sun came up.) If

she caught us reading our books under the covers, she'd confiscate them

until the following morning. <grin>

Guest guest
Posted

Hi .

I like the idea of not needing a light to read... I used to take a torch to

bed and read under the bedclothes when I was MUCH younger.... Braille might

have got me into less trouble... :-)

Cheers

Dave

At 21:54 6/07/2004 -0700, you wrote:

>Dave,

> Good question. There is a set of rules, 14 in all I think, that

>covers the use of grade 2 braille. A, I, and O for example are not

>used for contracted signs so when you encounter dot 1 by itself its

>the letter a and nothing else.

>

> Basically, you learn what the meaning of a dot is by its reference

>to other dots. The comma is dot 2 and nothing else so when you are

>reading, you feel dot 2, you know its a comma due to its location in

>reference to what came before it. Context in other words. Braille is

>really fun, dont need light to read. LOL

>

>*---* *---* *---* *---* *---*

>Hard work never hurt anyone, but why take the chance.

> & Gimlet (Guide Dawggie)

>Portland, Oregon

>N24C 3G 8/2000 Hookup

>rlclark77@...

>http://home.comcast.net/~rlclark77/

>

>

>

>

>

>

Guest guest
Posted

I hate to correct you, but " k " all by it's lonesome means knowledge: b

is for but, can is for can, do is for do, f is from, g is go, h is for have,

j is for just, k is for knowledge, l is for like, more is for more, n is for

not q is for quite, r is for rather, s is for so, t is for that, u is for

us, v is for very, w is for will, x is for it, y is for you, and z is for

as. Larry

Guest guest
Posted

,

Ah, Don't worry about my questions. You already answer my question. Thanks.

:-)

Nah, I don'tneed the links, thanks for offering that to me, but futher, I

probably would like to have them, and say, why don't you put these website links

in the 's links in the 's web site?

Guest guest
Posted

,

I think that's a great idea. Alice, would you mind if I post nformation

about deaf-blindness? It may help educate new list members and may encourage

other deaf-blind people who may not otherwise consider a CI due to lack of

information and/or resources.

Guest guest
Posted

Larry,

Who are you correcting? I did not see any errors so far. LOL

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's Computer Law 3: It's morally wrong to allow naive end users

to keep their money.

& Gimlet (Guide Dawggie)

Portland, Oregon

N24C 3G 8/2000 Hookup

rlclark77@...

http://home.comcast.net/~rlclark77/

Guest guest
Posted

To be exact,

There are 189 contractions altogether for grade 2 braille.... I taught myself

all 189 contractions while recovering from major 12 hour back surgery 6 years

ago, one way to pass on time while being stuck at home for 3 months outside of

school <grin>

J & B

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Guest guest
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J & B,

Did you take a course at Hadley to learn Braille or did you use a Braille

primer? What kind of Braille books did you use to practice and/or read from?

The reason I ask is because I have a friend who's partially sighted. She's

losing her vision and wants to teach herself Braille without having to go to

a rehab. center.

If this is considered off-topic for the list, you may write me privately

with your response.

Thanks,

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