Guest guest Posted July 6, 2004 Report Posted July 6, 2004 In a message dated 7/6/2004 6:25:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time, vicki@... writes: Thus, most of deaf America have such a difficult time reading/writing English. What a shame. most? i don't think so. small number, yes, but not " most " Lee Quote
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2004 Report Posted July 6, 2004 Thus, most of deaf America have such a difficult time reading/writing English. What a shame. Vicki G. ASL & French > Hi All, > One of the reasons ASL and French are similar is because t > Clerc, who helped found Gallaudet College, was French, and used French > sign language as a basis for American Sign Language. > > > Nucleus Volunteer > Quote
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2004 Report Posted July 6, 2004 Vicki, I couldn't agree with you more. When I went to the deaf camps in Kentucky, they, too, have weak education of writing and reading and grammar. Thank Goodness I went to the public school, and also Thank God I am still attending public high school. :-) Poor these kids. ASL & French > Hi All, > One of the reasons ASL and French are similar is because t > Clerc, who helped found Gallaudet College, was French, and used French > sign language as a basis for American Sign Language. > > > Nucleus Volunteer > Quote
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2004 Report Posted July 6, 2004 And just to add to the French connection, a Frenchman by the name of Louis Braille invented braille. The letter 'w' is the only letter that we had to add to the braille code because it is not in the French language. *---* *---* *---* *---* *---* Proofread carefully to see if you any words out. & Gimlet (Guide Dawggie) Portland, Oregon N24C 3G 8/2000 Hookup rlclark77@... http://home.comcast.net/~rlclark77/ Quote
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2004 Report Posted July 6, 2004 Oh, really? I didn't know that! Wow! :-) Thanks for teaching me about that, teach. Re: ASL & French And just to add to the French connection, a Frenchman by the name of Louis Braille invented braille. The letter 'w' is the only letter that we had to add to the braille code because it is not in the French language. *---* *---* *---* *---* *---* Proofread carefully to see if you any words out. & Gimlet (Guide Dawggie) Portland, Oregon N24C 3G 8/2000 Hookup rlclark77@... http://home.comcast.net/~rlclark77/ Quote
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2004 Report Posted July 6, 2004 Just to add to 's comments, there are over 180 contractions in Braille. This was one of the first things my Braille teacher ever told me. I almost fell of my chair in disbelief and asked, " You expect me to learn all of them?? " <grin> Sometimes it's easy to forget what it was like learning all of those contractions after using Braille for years. LOL! Quote
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2004 Report Posted July 6, 2004 Grade 1 braille is like fingerspelling, its just the alphabet, numbers and basic punctuation. The numbers are the first 10 letters along with a special code that tells us its a number and not a letter. Easy to learn. 26 letters, the more common punctuation, and you have Grade 1. Grade 2 has 189 codes I believe. Contracted braille, uhm lets see. An example is the word " knowledge " is represented in Grade 2 by a single letter, k. How do we know its that word? That letter k all my its lonesome cannot have another meaning. Then there is a group of codes using two braille cells (a braille cell is made up of 6 dots) and this is about 50 two cell codes. These are the ones I have more trouble with. LOL .. 1 4 .. 2 5 .. 3 6 Pretend that is a cell. Top left to bottom is 1 2 3. Top right to bottom is 4 5 6. I wont do the whole alpahbet but say a is dot 1, b is dot 1 2. C is 1 4. A thru J then you take those and add a dot 3 and you have K thru S. Then take K L M N O, add a dot 6 and you have letters T U V X Y. W had to be added in by us English blokes. More than you ever wanted to know, right. LOL *---* *---* *---* *---* *---* I'm not tense, just terribly, terribly alert.... & Gimlet (Guide Dawggie) Portland, Oregon N24C 3G 8/2000 Hookup rlclark77@... http://home.comcast.net/~rlclark77/ Quote
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2004 Report Posted July 6, 2004 , Braille can be difficult to understand -- especially if you don't read and write it yourself. Let me see if I can come up with an analogy... Grade 1 Braille is similar to fingerspelling a word letter by letter. Grade 2 Braille is similar to taking a fingerspelled word and giving it a sign of its own. It's still the same word, but is given its own sign to make communication faster. For example, instead of fingerspelling the word C-H-I-C-A-G-O, you sign it in ASL. Does this explanation make sense? Quote
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2004 Report Posted July 6, 2004 , yes, but I don't understand how Braille have a sign for Chicago, if a deaf/blind person can't see the sign " Chicago " LoL. Sorry :-\ Quote
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2004 Report Posted July 6, 2004 Hi . When there is only one dot, how do you tell which one it is? Cheers Dave At 19:44 6/07/2004 -0700, you wrote: > Grade 1 braille is like fingerspelling, its just the alphabet, >numbers and basic punctuation. The numbers are the first 10 letters >along with a special code that tells us its a number and not a letter. >Easy to learn. 26 letters, the more common punctuation, and you have >Grade 1. > > Grade 2 has 189 codes I believe. Contracted braille, uhm lets >see. An example is the word " knowledge " is represented in Grade 2 by >a single letter, k. How do we know its that word? That letter k all >my its lonesome cannot have another meaning. Then there is a group of >codes using two braille cells (a braille cell is made up of 6 dots) >and this is about 50 two cell codes. These are the ones I have more >trouble with. LOL > > .. 1 4 > .. 2 5 > .. 3 6 > > Pretend that is a cell. Top left to bottom is 1 2 3. Top right >to bottom is 4 5 6. > > I wont do the whole alpahbet but say a is dot 1, b is dot 1 2. C >is 1 4. > > A thru J then you take those and add a dot 3 and you have K thru >S. Then take K L M N O, add a dot 6 and you have letters T U V X Y. >W had to be added in by us English blokes. > > More than you ever wanted to know, right. LOL > >*---* *---* *---* *---* *---* >I'm not tense, just terribly, terribly alert.... > & Gimlet (Guide Dawggie) >Portland, Oregon >N24C 3G 8/2000 Hookup >rlclark77@... >http://home.comcast.net/~rlclark77/ > > > > > > Quote
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2004 Report Posted July 6, 2004 Hi , I'm not sure I understand what you are asking. Can you clarify? If you are asking how a deafblind person would identify the sign for Chicago, they do this by placing their hands over the person who is signing to them. This is called tactile sign and allows them to feel what the other person is signing. Braille does not have its own signs like sign language. Instead, it has its own contractions (or symbols) which make reading faster. When I compared Braille to sign language, I was trying to show how both of them use shortened words (or in the case of sign language -- signsd) to make reading (or communication) faster. Have I confused you further? I hope not! <smile> If you like, I can send you a few websites that explain how Braille is used. They might help answer some of your questions about how words appear in Braille and how a blind or deafblind person can read them. Quote
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2004 Report Posted July 6, 2004 , A blind or deafblind person can identify words in Braille by learning all of its contractions. After all of the contractions are learned, he/she can distinguish between words, numbers and punctuation. They also use the context (meaning) of a sentence in order to understand what he/she is reading. Quote
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2004 Report Posted July 6, 2004 Dave, Good question. There is a set of rules, 14 in all I think, that covers the use of grade 2 braille. A, I, and O for example are not used for contracted signs so when you encounter dot 1 by itself its the letter a and nothing else. Basically, you learn what the meaning of a dot is by its reference to other dots. The comma is dot 2 and nothing else so when you are reading, you feel dot 2, you know its a comma due to its location in reference to what came before it. Context in other words. Braille is really fun, dont need light to read. LOL *---* *---* *---* *---* *---* Hard work never hurt anyone, but why take the chance. & Gimlet (Guide Dawggie) Portland, Oregon N24C 3G 8/2000 Hookup rlclark77@... http://home.comcast.net/~rlclark77/ Quote
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2004 Report Posted July 6, 2004 <<Braille is fun. don't need light to read. LOL>> , You're right about that! I had a counselor at Wisconsin Lion's Camp who wouldn't allow us to read Braille books past our bedtime. (We were only 8 or 9 years old at the time and many of us would read until the sun came up.) If she caught us reading our books under the covers, she'd confiscate them until the following morning. <grin> Quote
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2004 Report Posted July 6, 2004 Hi . I like the idea of not needing a light to read... I used to take a torch to bed and read under the bedclothes when I was MUCH younger.... Braille might have got me into less trouble... :-) Cheers Dave At 21:54 6/07/2004 -0700, you wrote: >Dave, > Good question. There is a set of rules, 14 in all I think, that >covers the use of grade 2 braille. A, I, and O for example are not >used for contracted signs so when you encounter dot 1 by itself its >the letter a and nothing else. > > Basically, you learn what the meaning of a dot is by its reference >to other dots. The comma is dot 2 and nothing else so when you are >reading, you feel dot 2, you know its a comma due to its location in >reference to what came before it. Context in other words. Braille is >really fun, dont need light to read. LOL > >*---* *---* *---* *---* *---* >Hard work never hurt anyone, but why take the chance. > & Gimlet (Guide Dawggie) >Portland, Oregon >N24C 3G 8/2000 Hookup >rlclark77@... >http://home.comcast.net/~rlclark77/ > > > > > > Quote
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2004 Report Posted July 7, 2004 I hate to correct you, but " k " all by it's lonesome means knowledge: b is for but, can is for can, do is for do, f is from, g is go, h is for have, j is for just, k is for knowledge, l is for like, more is for more, n is for not q is for quite, r is for rather, s is for so, t is for that, u is for us, v is for very, w is for will, x is for it, y is for you, and z is for as. Larry Quote
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2004 Report Posted July 7, 2004 , Ah, Don't worry about my questions. You already answer my question. Thanks. :-) Nah, I don'tneed the links, thanks for offering that to me, but futher, I probably would like to have them, and say, why don't you put these website links in the 's links in the 's web site? Quote
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2004 Report Posted July 7, 2004 , I think that's a great idea. Alice, would you mind if I post nformation about deaf-blindness? It may help educate new list members and may encourage other deaf-blind people who may not otherwise consider a CI due to lack of information and/or resources. Quote
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2004 Report Posted July 7, 2004 Larry, Who are you correcting? I did not see any errors so far. LOL *---* *---* *---* *---* *---* 's Computer Law 3: It's morally wrong to allow naive end users to keep their money. & Gimlet (Guide Dawggie) Portland, Oregon N24C 3G 8/2000 Hookup rlclark77@... http://home.comcast.net/~rlclark77/ Quote
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2004 Report Posted July 7, 2004 To be exact, There are 189 contractions altogether for grade 2 braille.... I taught myself all 189 contractions while recovering from major 12 hour back surgery 6 years ago, one way to pass on time while being stuck at home for 3 months outside of school <grin> J & B Jen and retired Bronze (A.K.A. J & guidedogs4ever2002@... moderators/owners of: letstalkguidedogs christian-gdsd-users db-gdog-users k9cadets all-working-dogs-go-to-heaven --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Canada Personals Quote
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2004 Report Posted July 7, 2004 J & B, Did you take a course at Hadley to learn Braille or did you use a Braille primer? What kind of Braille books did you use to practice and/or read from? The reason I ask is because I have a friend who's partially sighted. She's losing her vision and wants to teach herself Braille without having to go to a rehab. center. If this is considered off-topic for the list, you may write me privately with your response. Thanks, Quote
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