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> I AM VERY INTERESTED IN YOUR GALLSTONE FLUSH CLEANSE. I WOULD LIKE

TO GET THE INFORMATION ON THE PARASITE CLEANSE AND THE KIDNEY CLEANSE.

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Shelby:

Have you been for the CT scan? Did a neurosurgeon read it?

Be forceful in getting a PRO to read the scan.

Yes! Plagio. can happen before birth. Some mom's have funny

shaped uterus', some babies drop too early (like my daughter). Hanna

was born with her nose squished over to one side (which corrected within

3 weeks). She was sitting so low at our ultrasound (32 wks) that

they couldn't do any measurements on her head.

Sometimes a breech baby will get squished.

Don't blame yourself. However it may have happened, you're making

every effort to fix it now, and that's all that counts!

kendra

teebo123@... wrote:

Can anyone help me try to understand plagio?

>From what the neuro

said (if he's right and has plagio not craniO) 's

flattening in the back of the head was do to sleeping position.

I've

mentioned before that he doesn't really lay on that side of his

head,

more so on the bulgey part. And if that is the case,

had the

ridging all along the coronal suture lines at birth. So if

that

ridging is from in utero, why the flattening in the back?

If the

head is misshapen in the front, would it make it easier for it

to

mold strange in the back? And if it is plagio, is sleeping

or laying

in the same position the only way it's caused? Or is it just

something that can happen to any child? I mean, he made it

sound

like it was our fault for letting him lay this way and I think

he

thought our trying to refute what he was saying was us trying to

cover up for ourselves. If anyone knows what I'm mumbling

about

please help!!

Shelby L

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Laurie:

Was your orthotist able to offer any suggestions to you when she was fitted?

My daughter wears a helmet and has never cared about it since the very first

minute we put it on her! Maybe your orthotist can offer some suggestions or

maybe he/she can make some adjustments to the helmet to make it more

comfortable. Hang in there - your baby will adjust!

Marci (Mom to )

[Guest guest]

Start using a castor oil pack over the area of the liver. To make a castor

oil pack you just use a roll of cotton or a cotton towel and saturate it

with the oil. then put a plastic bag over that and a hot water bottle on the

plastic. Don't bother with a hot pad as the hot water bottle will cool at a

rate that acts as a good timer for how long to leave the pack over the

liver. The cotton can be stored in a small trash bag and used many times

with just the addition of oil as needed for other uses.

Avoid all hydrogenated food products. This means margarine and deep fried

foods and any other product that you read on the package that there is

hydrogenated oil used for its process and you'll probably feel some quick

relief from doing so.

Adding apples to your diet would certainly help too. Make sure to chew them

extremely well as this will help you to get more of the needed malic acid

from the apple's cells. Our teeth were made to be the best of juicers it's

just that we've gotten a bit too lazy in our eating habits to take the time

to chew the foods we eat much better. I'm now known as the slow poke of the

eating table, but that's just fine with me.

Dale

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----- Original Message -----

From: " Bocskor " <futrgamr@...>

<gallstones >

Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 8:09 AM

Subject: Questions

> Hi All:

>

> I am new to this group and unfortunately not new to

> gallstone related problems. Or so I believe.

>

> I am hoping that the information I am shazring can

> help others get insight into their issues and as well,

> hopefully find people who can help me get insight into

> my problems.

>

> I was diagnosed with gallstones after a visit to the

> emergency room with what I thought was food poisoning.

> Ultrasound showed the presence of a few stones. This

> was in '95 or '96. Over the years, following

> particularly large, fatty, or cheesey (dairy laden

> (- meals I would have an 'attack'. Same every time,

> increasing pain, wake up around 2-4 A.M., severe pain,

> take a hot bath, drink lotsa water, take a vicodin or

> codeine if I had em, and get back to sleep in four

> hours or so. SOmetimes I would be stupid and not pay

> attention the next day, and eat something oily and

> have pain, and not an attack.

>

> This would happen about one a quarter at most.

> Maybe less. I have prolly had around ten to tweleve

> attacks total.

>

> 11 days ago I did it again. Fatty foods (the rare hot

> dog binge, I eat mostly vegetarian) led to an attack.

> The next day, I ate pretty well, some oily stuff, but

> not huge amounts, and it was too much. A pretty bad

> attack on Monday (the first was Sunday).

>

> HERE IS THE IMPORTANT STUFF.

>

> Major attack again on Thursday (three days after

> second consecutive daily attack) and it started

> without eating anything but chicken soup and very low

> fat foods. Same type of pains. Friday I decide to

> fast and also did not drink any coffee ( I am a daily

> coffee drinker) and only drank juice and soda and tea

> and water all day. Pain was still there, but more a

> constant dull pain that would go in and out. Had some

> left over Vicodin from a dental scrip that helped a

> bit, also took some aleve that helped. Still had the

> pain through the weekend.

>

> Whenever I would eat even the mosty basic foods

> (vegetable broth with some noodles) I would still get

> pretty substantial pain on Saturday, Sunday, and

> Monday.

>

> On Tuesday (yesterday) I did the flush (epsom, oil,

> grpaefruit juice, ornithine variety) without eating

> any food at all (although I had my first cup of cofee

> in days and felt better than I had in days afterwards,

> I wonder why). This morning I had around twenty maybe

> thirty stones, about ten of whic were at least 3/4 of

> an inch long and half as wide.

>

> Problem: I still have pain.

>

> Does anyone relate to, or have similar experiences

> that can help me figger this out?

> If so, please email me at:

>

> futrgamr@...

>

> Thanx

>

> __________________________________________________

>

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In a message dated 5/23/01 8:22:03 AM Pacific Daylight Time, futrgamr@... writes:

Problem: I still have pain.

Does anyone relate to, or have similar experiences

that can help me figger this out?

If so, please email me at:

There are LOTS of stones in there! I've done the flush 12 times and gotten around 4000, am not ready to quit yet. Keep doing it. Every time, you will get better.

[Guest guest]

Have you considered having surgery at all?

-----Original Message-----

From: Bocskor [mailto:futrgamr@...]

Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:09 AM

gallstones

Subject: Questions

Hi All:

I am new to this group and unfortunately not new to

gallstone related problems. Or so I believe.

I am hoping that the information I am shazring can

help others get insight into their issues and as well,

hopefully find people who can help me get insight into

my problems.

I was diagnosed with gallstones after a visit to the

emergency room with what I thought was food poisoning.

Ultrasound showed the presence of a few stones. This

was in '95 or '96. Over the years, following

particularly large, fatty, or cheesey (dairy laden

(- meals I would have an 'attack'. Same every time,

increasing pain, wake up around 2-4 A.M., severe pain,

take a hot bath, drink lotsa water, take a vicodin or

codeine if I had em, and get back to sleep in four

hours or so. SOmetimes I would be stupid and not pay

attention the next day, and eat something oily and

have pain, and not an attack.

This would happen about one a quarter at most.

Maybe less. I have prolly had around ten to tweleve

attacks total.

11 days ago I did it again. Fatty foods (the rare hot

dog binge, I eat mostly vegetarian) led to an attack.

The next day, I ate pretty well, some oily stuff, but

not huge amounts, and it was too much. A pretty bad

attack on Monday (the first was Sunday).

HERE IS THE IMPORTANT STUFF.

Major attack again on Thursday (three days after

second consecutive daily attack) and it started

without eating anything but chicken soup and very low

fat foods. Same type of pains. Friday I decide to

fast and also did not drink any coffee ( I am a daily

coffee drinker) and only drank juice and soda and tea

and water all day. Pain was still there, but more a

constant dull pain that would go in and out. Had some

left over Vicodin from a dental scrip that helped a

bit, also took some aleve that helped. Still had the

pain through the weekend.

Whenever I would eat even the mosty basic foods

(vegetable broth with some noodles) I would still get

pretty substantial pain on Saturday, Sunday, and

Monday.

On Tuesday (yesterday) I did the flush (epsom, oil,

grpaefruit juice, ornithine variety) without eating

any food at all (although I had my first cup of cofee

in days and felt better than I had in days afterwards,

I wonder why). This morning I had around twenty maybe

thirty stones, about ten of whic were at least 3/4 of

an inch long and half as wide.

Problem: I still have pain.

Does anyone relate to, or have similar experiences

that can help me figger this out?

If so, please email me at:

futrgamr@...

Thanx

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

As a matter of fact, I have considered it as a last

resort.

I want to avoid it for a number of reasons:

I think that the gall bladder takes some of the load

off the liver, and the digestive system both. I woudl

rather keep it than lose it.

Also, most, if not all, of thepain has subsided.

The difference is remarkable. I believe I was

suffering from an obstruction in my bile duct. Read

about the surgery for that, it's a doozey. That alone

is enough motivation to find another method.

I was actually able to eat a real meal for the first

time in 6 days. No Pain!

Yay!

FG

--- " Feldman, Randi (BIS) " <rfeldman1@...>

wrote:

> Have you considered having surgery at all?

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Bocskor [mailto:futrgamr@...]

> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:09 AM

> gallstones

> Subject: Questions

>

>

> Hi All:

>

> I am new to this group and unfortunately not new to

> gallstone related problems. Or so I believe.

>

> I am hoping that the information I am shazring can

> help others get insight into their issues and as

> well,

> hopefully find people who can help me get insight

> into

> my problems.

>

> I was diagnosed with gallstones after a visit to the

> emergency room with what I thought was food

> poisoning.

> Ultrasound showed the presence of a few stones.

> This

> was in '95 or '96. Over the years, following

> particularly large, fatty, or cheesey (dairy laden

> (- meals I would have an 'attack'. Same every

> time,

> increasing pain, wake up around 2-4 A.M., severe

> pain,

> take a hot bath, drink lotsa water, take a vicodin

> or

> codeine if I had em, and get back to sleep in four

> hours or so. SOmetimes I would be stupid and not

> pay

> attention the next day, and eat something oily and

> have pain, and not an attack.

>

> This would happen about one a quarter at most.

> Maybe less. I have prolly had around ten to tweleve

> attacks total.

>

> 11 days ago I did it again. Fatty foods (the rare

> hot

> dog binge, I eat mostly vegetarian) led to an

> attack.

> The next day, I ate pretty well, some oily stuff,

> but

> not huge amounts, and it was too much. A pretty bad

> attack on Monday (the first was Sunday).

>

> HERE IS THE IMPORTANT STUFF.

>

> Major attack again on Thursday (three days after

> second consecutive daily attack) and it started

> without eating anything but chicken soup and very

> low

> fat foods. Same type of pains. Friday I decide to

> fast and also did not drink any coffee ( I am a

> daily

> coffee drinker) and only drank juice and soda and

> tea

> and water all day. Pain was still there, but more a

> constant dull pain that would go in and out. Had

> some

> left over Vicodin from a dental scrip that helped a

> bit, also took some aleve that helped. Still had

> the

> pain through the weekend.

>

> Whenever I would eat even the mosty basic foods

> (vegetable broth with some noodles) I would still

> get

> pretty substantial pain on Saturday, Sunday, and

> Monday.

>

> On Tuesday (yesterday) I did the flush (epsom, oil,

> grpaefruit juice, ornithine variety) without eating

> any food at all (although I had my first cup of

> cofee

> in days and felt better than I had in days

> afterwards,

> I wonder why). This morning I had around twenty

> maybe

> thirty stones, about ten of whic were at least 3/4

> of

> an inch long and half as wide.

>

> Problem: I still have pain.

>

> Does anyone relate to, or have similar experiences

> that can help me figger this out?

> If so, please email me at:

>

> futrgamr@...

>

> Thanx

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

hi everyone:)

after reading what mark wrote about making green drinks to stay alkaline- a

meat/dairy intake is acid

it got me thinking-

ive been eating the nt way since june, slowly introducing more fermented

dairy, some good quality meat, fermented veggies, eggs......

and loving it all

i soak my grains and eat lots of greens

its been many years (20) since eating any of that stuff- i knew i needed more

protein, and i was pretty mineral depleted

something interesting is happening now tho:

i dont feel like i am digesting the dairy/proteins/fats well

i wake up feeling like my belly is still full, my elimination has been

difficult- sometimes a day or 2 goes by which has not been the case b4

i dont eat past 7, and i do try to eat some fermented veg with the protein

meals

im drinking ground flax in the am with water to help.......

i havent made beet kvass yet- im doing that today

i will also make cabbage juice

feels like my liver and digestion is really stuck-

any ideas??

thanks

holly

[Guest guest]

I think sometimes our bodies are so filled up with toxins that when we switch to

healthy eating we feel worse for a time while our body is trying to fix itself.

I was thinking that it may be a good idea to do something about the elimination.

Maybe your body is working hard in other areas it needs help here for a bit, I

don't know. I do know that when people have not been eating good and then begin

taking care of themselves they start to stink more or other offensive things

will happen because their body is eliminating toxins. Sometimes the body can

only do so much and needs a little outside help.

Grace,

a Augustine

I wish you enough sun to keep your attitude bright.

I wish you enough rain to appreciate the sun more.

I wish you enough happiness to keep your spirit alive.

I wish you enough pain so that the smallest joys in life appear much bigger.

I wish you enough gain to satisfy your wanting.

I wish you enough loss to appreciate all that you possess.

I wish you enough ''Hello's " to get you through the final goodbye.

--anonymous

----- Original Message -----

From: nourishingwisdom@...

Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 10:50 AM

Subject: Re: questions

hi everyone:)

after reading what mark wrote about making green drinks to stay alkaline- a

meat/dairy intake is acid

it got me thinking-

ive been eating the nt way since june, slowly introducing more fermented

dairy, some good quality meat, fermented veggies, eggs......

and loving it all

i soak my grains and eat lots of greens

its been many years (20) since eating any of that stuff- i knew i needed more

protein, and i was pretty mineral depleted

something interesting is happening now tho:

i dont feel like i am digesting the dairy/proteins/fats well

i wake up feeling like my belly is still full, my elimination has been

difficult- sometimes a day or 2 goes by which has not been the case b4

i dont eat past 7, and i do try to eat some fermented veg with the protein

meals

im drinking ground flax in the am with water to help.......

i havent made beet kvass yet- im doing that today

i will also make cabbage juice

feels like my liver and digestion is really stuck-

any ideas??

thanks

holly

[Guest guest]

>> I think sometimes our bodies are so filled up with toxins that when

we switch to healthy eating we feel worse for a time while our body is

trying to fix itself. <<

This is so common it has its own name: a healing crisis.

~ Carma ~

There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive

idiots. ~ Anonymous

Carma's Corner: http://www.users.qwest.net/~carmapaden/

[Guest guest]

AngThanks for digging up that narcotic info...I SAVED that

post!I think the stopping cold or gradual dosage is good advice. I will

need this in the future. , thank you for coming forward with

this issue. But then again, we are the type of people that admitted we

had implants, unlike the others who actually by not admitting coming

forward have caused alot of us to go thru pure hell. I have come to

believe if more women would have come forward, perhaps breat implants

would be on the shelves along with fen-fen. , how long were you

on the vicodins? I ask, because I am taking 1-2 Lortabs (7.5) a day for

this underarm breast pain. Don't know if I told the group I got a 2nd

opinion last week. She (the p/s) said she thought it was a pinched nerve

or muscle problem. Saw no need to do MRI or sonogram. She also said I

should have been off work for about 4 weeks as opposed to going back at

13 days post-op that it actually takes a good 2 years for your breasts

to heal. Other instructions she gives her patients are for the first 5

days do not lift arms from your side...do absolutely nothing; the next

7-10 days do not lift arms more than about 12 inches from side.

Absolutely no laundry or vacuuming for 3 weeks. Then after 3 weeks,

gradually start to lift arms above head a little more each day. She also

told me that his was not a minor surgery I went through. This was

considered major. Especially with my circumstance; 7 weeks of pure

hellish pain in chest, back abdomen areas while the idiot doctors I

saw tried to figure out what was wrong with me. She said when implants

are under the muscle, they're harder to remove. Basically she said I

went back to wrok way too early may have caused this problem.I

(once again) wonder why these p/s can't seem to get in agreement with

any instructions. When I was implanted, the p/s told me to do some

breast exercises on implants but other women were either not told to do

them or told to do different kinds of exercises. There should be a

standard procedure for all of these things you'd think there would be,

being as many girls GET implants now, how many get explanted or

replacements.I SO WISH I would have went to Feng. I can only thank

God for you girls on these support groups for seeing me thru. You have

given me so much good advice. I can only repay you all with my prayers.

Perhaps my posts will help others realize..IF YOU'VE COME THIS FAR TO

INVESTIGATE...GO TO A RECOMMENDED SURGEON FROM THESE LADIES. Go to one

they've used don't be conned.Ok, I'm off my soapbox.,

will you please phrase these questions properly for Feng?1. How long

does it take to recover from this surgery (explant only).2. After

explant; If I had a MRI or sonogram done at a hospital in my area, could

I send it by mail to Feng to have it reviewed? 3. Could Feng

recommend someone in my area to look at the MRI or sonogram?4. I was

told by 2nd opinion p/s that IF this pain IS coming from silicone left

in lymph nodes, there isn't anything I can do about it. If I were to

remove a lymph node then I would be creating another problem as I would

have to deal with my arm swelling other traumas. Best to leave it

alone. Have Feng comment on this., will you post or send me

Feng's answers? I would appreciate it.Thanks for all your

helpPeace Love

[Guest guest]

Thank you , I am glad the info was useful. I really want to help in whatever way possible. It is great that we can come together and help each other. This group is awesome.

I love you all!!

----- Original Message -----

From: ShihtzusRock@...

Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 5:51 PM

Subject: Re: questions

Ang

Thanks for digging up that narcotic info...I SAVED that post!I think the stopping cold or gradual dosage is good advice. I will need this in the future. , thank you for coming forward with this issue. But then again, we are the type of people that admitted we had implants, unlike the others who actually by not admitting & coming forward have caused alot of us to go thru pure hell. I have come to believe if more women would have come forward, perhaps breat implants would be on the shelves along with fen-fen. , how long were you on the vicodins? I ask, because I am taking 1-2 Lortabs (7.5) a day for this underarm & breast pain. Don't know if I told the group I got a 2nd opinion last week. She (the p/s) said she thought it was a pinched nerve or muscle problem. Saw no need to do MRI or sonogram. She also said I should have been off work for about 4 weeks as opposed to going back at 13 days post-op & that it actually takes a good 2 years for your breasts to heal. Other instructions she gives her patients are for the first 5 days do not lift arms from your side...do absolutely nothing; the next 7-10 days do not lift arms more than about 12 inches from side. Absolutely no laundry or vacuuming for 3 weeks. Then after 3 weeks, gradually start to lift arms above head a little more each day. She also told me that his was not a minor surgery I went through. This was considered major. Especially with my circumstance; 7 weeks of pure hellish pain in chest, back & abdomen areas while the idiot doctors I saw tried to figure out what was wrong with me. She said when implants are under the muscle, they're harder to remove. Basically she said I went back to wrok way too early & may have caused this problem.

I (once again) wonder why these p/s can't seem to get in agreement with any instructions. When I was implanted, the p/s told me to do some breast exercises on implants but other women were either not told to do them or told to do different kinds of exercises. There should be a standard procedure for all of these things & you'd think there would be, being as many girls GET implants & now, how many get explanted or replacements.

I SO WISH I would have went to Feng. I can only thank God for you girls on these support groups for seeing me thru. You have given me so much good advice. I can only repay you all with my prayers. Perhaps my posts will help others realize..IF YOU'VE COME THIS FAR TO INVESTIGATE...GO TO A RECOMMENDED SURGEON FROM THESE LADIES. Go to one they've used & don't be conned.

Ok, I'm off my soapbox., will you please phrase these questions properly for Feng?1. How long does it take to recover from this surgery (explant only).2. After explant; If I had a MRI or sonogram done at a hospital in my area, could I send it by mail to Feng to have it reviewed? 3. Could Feng recommend someone in my area to look at the MRI or sonogram?4. I was told by 2nd opinion p/s that IF this pain IS coming from silicone left in lymph nodes, there isn't anything I can do about it. If I were to remove a lymph node then I would be creating another problem as I would have to deal with my arm swelling & other traumas. Best to leave it alone. Have Feng comment on this., will you post or send me Feng's answers? I would appreciate it.Thanks for all your helpPeace & Love

[Guest guest]

dear I am so happy to hear from you I have been wondering how you are. I am sorry that you have pain.

As for me, well I took way too many vicodin for about 2 years almost i started them when I still had my implants, and at the worse point I was taking at least 8 a day, so way out of control, but I did what I had to I guess to survive. Blah, you should be ok with one or two a day that is not too many, but be careful they can really be addicting.

I will get your questions to Dr Feng, I also will tell you that I already know her answer regarding lymph nodes, or at least I know that she does in fact remove any lymph nodes that are full of silicone, it is one of her specialties and apparently she works with a Dr who is really an expert and finding them using ultrasound.

I will look into this more for you.

Mean while I am in complete agreement with you and what you are saying about more women needing to come out to give us more power against implants.

The problem I see far too often is that there are too many women who won't speak out against implants, or who try to down play or deny the problems they are having, that really does hurt all of us in the long run.

You are right on in what you say here, I agree that if everyone would speak out about the health problems they have instead of believeing the Dr's excuses and just tredging on with implants, they would be on the shelf with the phen phen, too bad isn't it?

I really had a rude awakening to this today, I won't get into it but something I read somewhere I found very disturbing when I read that a women sickened by implants was still recomending them to another women if "it would make her feel better to get them" I just couldn't live with myself if I told anyone that. I will never ever condone implants, I realize I cannot change the world or force anyone to do anything but I also will not ever be a party to someone getting implants, no matter what the reason I just can't agree with it, does that make me bad?

I know maybe I seem extreme, however if anyone has ever experienced what many of us have, we know what I mean.

I don't know, someitmes I get very angry and realize that at least here I can vent some of it without fear of someone getting upset with me.

I am aware that women have the right to do what they want with their own bodies, however, I will never be able to tell someone that implants are a good thing. Never.

Ok then I realize that I may be seeming extreme, I just am so aware of what has happened in my life, esp with this experience with pain pills it really turned the light on in my head and made me see all the suffering I endured all because of my choice to get implants.

I only wish someone like me had told me their story maybe then I would have listened.

Love

----- Original Message -----

From: ShihtzusRock@...

Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 3:51 PM

Subject: Re: questions

Ang

Thanks for digging up that narcotic info...I SAVED that post!I think the stopping cold or gradual dosage is good advice. I will need this in the future. , thank you for coming forward with this issue. But then again, we are the type of people that admitted we had implants, unlike the others who actually by not admitting & coming forward have caused alot of us to go thru pure hell. I have come to believe if more women would have come forward, perhaps breat implants would be on the shelves along with fen-fen. , how long were you on the vicodins? I ask, because I am taking 1-2 Lortabs (7.5) a day for this underarm & breast pain. Don't know if I told the group I got a 2nd opinion last week. She (the p/s) said she thought it was a pinched nerve or muscle problem. Saw no need to do MRI or sonogram. She also said I should have been off work for about 4 weeks as opposed to going back at 13 days post-op & that it actually takes a good 2 years for your breasts to heal. Other instructions she gives her patients are for the first 5 days do not lift arms from your side...do absolutely nothing; the next 7-10 days do not lift arms more than about 12 inches from side. Absolutely no laundry or vacuuming for 3 weeks. Then after 3 weeks, gradually start to lift arms above head a little more each day. She also told me that his was not a minor surgery I went through. This was considered major. Especially with my circumstance; 7 weeks of pure hellish pain in chest, back & abdomen areas while the idiot doctors I saw tried to figure out what was wrong with me. She said when implants are under the muscle, they're harder to remove. Basically she said I went back to wrok way too early & may have caused this problem.

I (once again) wonder why these p/s can't seem to get in agreement with any instructions. When I was implanted, the p/s told me to do some breast exercises on implants but other women were either not told to do them or told to do different kinds of exercises. There should be a standard procedure for all of these things & you'd think there would be, being as many girls GET implants & now, how many get explanted or replacements.

I SO WISH I would have went to Feng. I can only thank God for you girls on these support groups for seeing me thru. You have given me so much good advice. I can only repay you all with my prayers. Perhaps my posts will help others realize..IF YOU'VE COME THIS FAR TO INVESTIGATE...GO TO A RECOMMENDED SURGEON FROM THESE LADIES. Go to one they've used & don't be conned.

Ok, I'm off my soapbox., will you please phrase these questions properly for Feng?1. How long does it take to recover from this surgery (explant only).2. After explant; If I had a MRI or sonogram done at a hospital in my area, could I send it by mail to Feng to have it reviewed? 3. Could Feng recommend someone in my area to look at the MRI or sonogram?4. I was told by 2nd opinion p/s that IF this pain IS coming from silicone left in lymph nodes, there isn't anything I can do about it. If I were to remove a lymph node then I would be creating another problem as I would have to deal with my arm swelling & other traumas. Best to leave it alone. Have Feng comment on this., will you post or send me Feng's answers? I would appreciate it.Thanks for all your helpPeace & Love

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Hi. In esponse to your questions: a sed rate just indicates that there

is some sort of infectious process going on-it doesn't mean that because

the rate is elevated that one has RA. He should get a Rheumatoid Factor

done-being aware that even if it comes up negative, it could be a false

negative. And definately see a specialist-especially with that history.

I am diagnosed X 1 year-at 35 yrs. old- and have really notices feeling

tired all the time! Personally, I do not have any fevers, but do have

alot of pain and swelling the the joints, especailly the hands, fingers,

wridsts and shoulders. This is just my exerienc with this disease...hope

this helps some. Please let s know how hubby is!!!!! sherri

Hi, I'm writing about my hubby. About 6 months ago his ankles

swelled up so bad, I mean unrecognizable, they were red and hot to

the touch, he felt ill all over. Took him to the ER and the doc

after testing his heart etc. did the sed rate test ( I think thats

right) and said its RA. We then went to his doc who said that he

didn't think it was that that the sed rate could mean any kind of

infection, they put him on meds etc and swelling went down. I don't

think the doc wanted to even consider that. I spoke with his family

and theres a family history of RA. Thinking back for years now he has

always had pain in his hands/joints. He always after sitting for a

while has a hard time getting up and walking on his ankles and legs

and especially in the morning he can hardly get out of bed.

My question is with RA, do you get malaised feeling alot. He seems

to run low grade fevers, and feel achy in his joints. This may last

a few days to a week or so. Is this part of RA? What tests should

we have his doctor run.

Any help would be appreciated. Thank you all.

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I'm sorry to hear that your hubby may have arthritis. I agree that he should get tested to see if he has the rheumatoid factor. However, the other 99 types of arthritis do not require a rheumatoid positive. I have Reactive arthritis and test positive for the B27 antigen. My arthritis affects my left side and it was triggered by a bout of uvitis (similar to pink eye). Once he is diagnosed with arthritis, he will probably be sent for a bone density scan. This will compare the density of his bones to that of a healthy man his age. It will serve to monitor the progression of his disease and is usually done annually after diagnosis. I also agree with the other person about the SED rate. A high number just means that there is an infection. The normal rate is 15-20 mm per hour. At the peak, my rate was over 200.

Personally, the hardest part about having arthritis is the sheer fatigue that I have. I'm 25 now and was diagnosed when I was 22. It's hard for me because I look so "normal" and some people don't believe I have arthritis.

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To me, it definitely sounds like your husband has RA, especially

since it runs in his family. Generally, the Rheumatoid Factor is

tested to determine if it could be RA. Xrays are usually taken in

the affected areas to check to see if there's any damage to the

joints. In my particular case, my Rheumatologist sent me for a bone

scan. This will let the doctor see the 'red' or 'active' areas.

It's normal with RA to run a low grade fever, to get tired easily, &

just feeling not well (I've been having low grade fever for the past

2 days. It has really knocked me for the count).

Has your husband seen a Rheumatologist? If not, he should in order

to be treated with the proper medication.

Keep us posted & I send best wishes to you & your husband.

Barbara

[Guest guest]

I HAVE STARTED A COUPLE MONTHS AGO WITH CORAL CALCIUM.....IT HAS FOR SURE RELIEVED MOST OF THE FATIGUE...CAN BE GOTTEN IN NATURAL VIT. STORES.....

NORMA

----- Original Message -----

From: Barbara

Rheumatoid Arthritis

Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 5:02 PM

Subject: Re: questions

To me, it definitely sounds like your husband has RA, especially since it runs in his family. Generally, the Rheumatoid Factor is tested to determine if it could be RA. Xrays are usually taken in the affected areas to check to see if there's any damage to the joints. In my particular case, my Rheumatologist sent me for a bone scan. This will let the doctor see the 'red' or 'active' areas.It's normal with RA to run a low grade fever, to get tired easily, & just feeling not well (I've been having low grade fever for the past 2 days. It has really knocked me for the count).Has your husband seen a Rheumatologist? If not, he should in order to be treated with the proper medication.Keep us posted & I send best wishes to you & your husband.Barbara

[Guest guest]

--- What is the difference with coral calcium and regular calcium?

In Rheumatoid Arthritis@y..., " The Holland Sisters " <appaws@c...>

wrote:

> I HAVE STARTED A COUPLE MONTHS AGO WITH CORAL CALCIUM.....IT HAS

FOR SURE RELIEVED MOST OF THE FATIGUE...CAN BE GOTTEN IN NATURAL VIT.

STORES.....

> NORMA

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Barbara

> Rheumatoid Arthritis@y...

> Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 5:02 PM

> Subject: Re: questions

>

>

> To me, it definitely sounds like your husband has RA, especially

> since it runs in his family. Generally, the Rheumatoid Factor is

> tested to determine if it could be RA. Xrays are usually taken

in

> the affected areas to check to see if there's any damage to the

> joints. In my particular case, my Rheumatologist sent me for a

bone

> scan. This will let the doctor see the 'red' or 'active' areas.

>

> It's normal with RA to run a low grade fever, to get tired

easily, &

> just feeling not well (I've been having low grade fever for the

past

> 2 days. It has really knocked me for the count).

>

> Has your husband seen a Rheumatologist? If not, he should in

order

> to be treated with the proper medication.

>

> Keep us posted & I send best wishes to you & your husband.

>

> Barbara

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

WITH THE CORAL CAL....THERE IS A BALANCE PH....MINERALS AND SUCH THAT WE DON'T NORMALLY GET WITH JUST FOOD OR OUR WATER....REGULAR CAL. DOESN'T HAVE THIS....I HAVE ALSO BEEN GETTING ADS FOR SEA SILVER THAT IS SUPPOSSED TO GIVE YA THE MUCH NEEDED ENERGY THAT WE MISS EVERY DAY PLUS THIS ARTICLE WAS SENT TO ME THAT I FOUND VERY INTERESTING...ABOUT...WATER

This is really an eye opener!We all know that water is important but I've never seen it written down like this before.WATER1. 75% of Americans are chronically dehydrated. (Likely applies to half world population.)2. In 37% of Americans, the thirst mechanism is so weak that it is often mistaken for hunger.3. Even MILD dehydration will slow down one's metabolism as much as 3%.4. One glass of water will shut down midnight hunger pangs for almost 100% of the dieters studied in a University of Washington study.5. Lack of water, the #1 trigger of daytime fatigue.6. Preliminary research indicates that 8-10 glasses of water a day could significantly ease back and joint pain for up to 80% of sufferers.7. A mere 2% drop in body water can trigger fuzzy short-term memory, trouble with basic math, and difficulty focusing on the computer screen or on a printed page.8. Drinking 5 glasses of water daily decreases the risk of colon cancer by 45%, plus it can slash the risk of breast cancer by 79%, and one is 50%less likely to develop bladder cancer. Are you drinking the amount of water you should every day?I DRINK A LOT OF WATER AND WHEN I GET AWAY FROM IT SOMETIMES...I REALLY FEEL THE DIFFERENCE.....AND I MEAN....JUST WATER....WATER FOR COFFEE TEAS AND COOL-AIDE IS NOT CONSIDERED GETTING THE PROPER AMT OF WATER....CAFFEINE AND ETC. THAT IS IN THESE MIXTURES...ACTUALLY DEPLETE THE PURPOSE OF WHAT PLAIN WATER PROPERTIES CAN DO FOR YOUR BENEFIT......

NORMA

[Guest guest]

--- Thanks for the info on the water.....since I started taking

methotrexate, I have been drinking 2-3 quarts of water a day is that

enough? How much water do those of you on MX drink everyday? Along

with all the good things it does for your body..it helps make your

skin clearer and not dry! Thanks again!

Delena

In Rheumatoid Arthritis , " The Holland Sisters "

<appaws@c...> wrote:

> WITH THE CORAL CAL....THERE IS A BALANCE PH....MINERALS AND SUCH

THAT WE DON'T NORMALLY GET WITH JUST FOOD OR OUR WATER....REGULAR

CAL. DOESN'T HAVE THIS....I HAVE ALSO BEEN GETTING ADS FOR SEA SILVER

THAT IS SUPPOSSED TO GIVE YA THE MUCH NEEDED ENERGY THAT WE MISS

EVERY DAY PLUS THIS ARTICLE WAS SENT TO ME THAT I FOUND VERY

INTERESTING...ABOUT...WATER

>

> This is really an eye opener!

>

> We all know that water is important but I've never seen it written

down like this before.

>

> WATER

> 1. 75% of Americans are chronically dehydrated. (Likely applies to

half world population.)

>

> 2. In 37% of Americans, the thirst mechanism is so weak that it is

often mistaken for hunger.

>

> 3. Even MILD dehydration will slow down one's metabolism as much as

3%.

>

> 4. One glass of water will shut down midnight hunger pangs for

almost 100% of the dieters studied in a University of Washington

study.

>

> 5. Lack of water, the #1 trigger of daytime fatigue.

>

> 6. Preliminary research indicates that 8-10 glasses of water a day

could significantly ease back and joint pain for up to 80% of

sufferers.

>

> 7. A mere 2% drop in body water can trigger fuzzy short-term

memory, trouble with basic math, and difficulty focusing on the

computer screen or on a printed page.

>

> 8. Drinking 5 glasses of water daily decreases the risk of colon

cancer by 45%, plus it can slash the risk of breast cancer by 79%,

and one is 50%less likely to develop bladder cancer. Are you drinking

the amount of water you should every day?

>

> I DRINK A LOT OF WATER AND WHEN I GET AWAY FROM IT SOMETIMES...I

REALLY FEEL THE DIFFERENCE.....AND I MEAN....JUST WATER....WATER FOR

COFFEE TEAS AND COOL-AIDE IS NOT CONSIDERED GETTING THE PROPER AMT OF

WATER....CAFFEINE AND ETC. THAT IS IN THESE MIXTURES...ACTUALLY

DEPLETE THE PURPOSE OF WHAT PLAIN WATER PROPERTIES CAN DO FOR YOUR

BENEFIT......

> NORMA

[Guest guest]

yes that is plenty of water....i could not take the metholtrexate....it made me very ill and also sapped all my strenght....also over-doing the water...did ya know that there is such a thing as water intoxication.....it is real and can cause problems....overloading the kidneys and bladder also causes problems

norma

----- Original Message -----

From: Delena <cowbells57@...>

Rheumatoid Arthritis

Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 5:32 AM

Subject: Re: questions

--- Thanks for the info on the water.....since I started taking methotrexate, I have been drinking 2-3 quarts of water a day is that enough? How much water do those of you on MX drink everyday? Along with all the good things it does for your body..it helps make your skin clearer and not dry! Thanks again!DelenaIn Rheumatoid Arthritis , "The Holland Sisters" <appaws@c...> wrote:> WITH THE CORAL CAL....THERE IS A BALANCE PH....MINERALS AND SUCH THAT WE DON'T NORMALLY GET WITH JUST FOOD OR OUR WATER....REGULAR CAL. DOESN'T HAVE THIS....I HAVE ALSO BEEN GETTING ADS FOR SEA SILVER THAT IS SUPPOSSED TO GIVE YA THE MUCH NEEDED ENERGY THAT WE MISS EVERY DAY PLUS THIS ARTICLE WAS SENT TO ME THAT I FOUND VERY INTERESTING...ABOUT...WATER> > This is really an eye opener!> > We all know that water is important but I've never seen it written down like this before.> > WATER> 1. 75% of Americans are chronically dehydrated. (Likely applies to half world population.)> > 2. In 37% of Americans, the thirst mechanism is so weak that it is often mistaken for hunger.> > 3. Even MILD dehydration will slow down one's metabolism as much as 3%.> > 4. One glass of water will shut down midnight hunger pangs for almost 100% of the dieters studied in a University of Washington study.> > 5. Lack of water, the #1 trigger of daytime fatigue.> > 6. Preliminary research indicates that 8-10 glasses of water a day could significantly ease back and joint pain for up to 80% of sufferers.> > 7. A mere 2% drop in body water can trigger fuzzy short-term memory, trouble with basic math, and difficulty focusing on the computer screen or on a printed page.> > 8. Drinking 5 glasses of water daily decreases the risk of colon cancer by 45%, plus it can slash the risk of breast cancer by 79%, and one is 50%less likely to develop bladder cancer. Are you drinking the amount of water you should every day?> > I DRINK A LOT OF WATER AND WHEN I GET AWAY FROM IT SOMETIMES...I REALLY FEEL THE DIFFERENCE.....AND I MEAN....JUST WATER....WATER FOR COFFEE TEAS AND COOL-AIDE IS NOT CONSIDERED GETTING THE PROPER AMT OF WATER....CAFFEINE AND ETC. THAT IS IN THESE MIXTURES...ACTUALLY DEPLETE THE PURPOSE OF WHAT PLAIN WATER PROPERTIES CAN DO FOR YOUR BENEFIT......> NORMA

[Guest guest]

I think you already know what to do. Good luck with your new rheumatologist. God bless.

----- Original Message -----

From: angelgirl3412

Rheumatoid Arthritis

Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 5:52 PM

Subject: questions

hi everyone, I have not put a message on for a while, but i was wondering if anyone can give me some advice.I was diagnosed in 2001 after having surgery, with ra (my mum also has ra), recently my rhuemy stopped my plaquenil and sulsfazine so i could go on a drug trial, for mabethra. I am now only tking prednisone 8mg and vioxx and methatrexate. I have never had a blood test come back abnormal my esr is always normal as is my crp, i had a rf test in 2001 which came back negative. to go on this trial i had to have a high esr or crp so my rhuemy suggest i didnt take prednisone for 2 days before blood test (i have been in agony ever since) which i did and of course as usual my bloods came back normal. i have had genetic testing done and they found i think its dl-27. i have decided to change rhuemy's as i dont think he has my best interests at heart only his research. all my xrays etc show no changes, but i can see them in my hands and feet. i have had cortisone injections in my hand for what my rhuemy thinks is carpal tunnel even thoug the nerve test it is not, in my shoulder twice and twice in my hip which did not work. if anyone has any advice for me it would be great, i am starting to feel as though maybe i have been misdiagnosed even though i know in heart i have this rotten disease as it is following how my mum started with it.please help!!!!!!

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> hi everyone, I have not put a message on for a while, but i was

> wondering if anyone can give me some advice.I was diagnosed in

2001

> after having surgery, with ra (my mum also has ra), recently my

> rhuemy stopped my plaquenil and sulsfazine so i could go on a drug

> trial, for mabethra. I am now only tking prednisone 8mg and vioxx

and

> methatrexate. I have never had a blood test come back abnormal my

esr

> is always normal as is my crp, i had a rf test in 2001 which came

> back negative. to go on this trial i had to have a high esr or crp

so

> my rhuemy suggest i didnt take prednisone for 2 days before blood

> test (i have been in agony ever since) which i did and of course

as

> usual my bloods came back normal. i have had genetic testing done

and

> they found i think its dl-27. i have decided to change rhuemy's as

i

> dont think he has my best interests at heart only his research.

all

> my xrays etc show no changes, but i can see them in my hands and

> feet. i have had cortisone injections in my hand for what my

rhuemy

> thinks is carpal tunnel even thoug the nerve test it is not, in my

> shoulder twice and twice in my hip which did not work. if anyone

has

> any advice for me it would be great, i am starting to feel as

though

> maybe i have been misdiagnosed even though i know in heart i have

> this rotten disease as it is following how my mum started with

> it.please help!!!!!!

Hi,

My Rheumy also does a lot of research studies. I've done two. But

now I just don't feel the one he wanted me to do this time was

right. It was a double-blind study and a 50-50 chance I was going

to get the actual study medicine. I feel the same way anymore

that's all he seems to be interested in. You have to do what your

comfortable with and what you think is best. I just told mine I

didn't want to do anymore. So it's back to the 20mg. of MTX and 20

mg. of Arava. Good Luck to you. Take care.

Diane

[Guest guest]

Hi Marcia,

I am glad to be here. Thanks for all your answers. Sorting all of

this out is kind of overwhelming at first, but I'll get there.

Thank again,