Hi All

[Guest guest]

Personally I like Now, and they are extremely cheap in comparison with what I used to pay. I buy nearly everything now from iherb.com which is cheaper than anywhere else including allowing for shipping & VAT.

Val

Me too Val. Any suggestions for another supplier that you'd recommend? I liked and trusted Solgar but no longer.

[Guest guest]

>

> Personally I like Now, and they are extremely cheap in comparison

with what I used to pay. I buy nearly everything now from iherb.com

which is cheaper than anywhere else including allowing for shipping &

VAT.

Thanks Val. I'll look them up.

x

[Guest guest]

Hi

The information on the Icke website is out-of-date and wrong.

Solgar are now owned by NBTY Inc of New York, a separately listed

company. ('Nature's Bounty' as was).

They (Solgar) are in the 'same' stable as Holland and Barrett in the

UK.

Magnesium Stearate is used as a 'lubricant' for tabletting purposes.

Stearic acid is a useful fatty acid and not toxic and stearic acid

forms 'stearates', hence magnesium stearate.

The paper on 'toxicity' of stearic acid quoted on the Icke

website wasn't mentioned in a paper by a group from Oxford University

and that latter paper is a 'landmark paper' now published on

PubMedCentral.

In my experience, because information is on a website, it doesn't

mean it's either current, or right, or neither.

best wishes

Bob

( :-) I don't own shares in NBTY Inc)

>

> > However, importantly, I came across this posting today on the

> > Icke Website and I think it's very important.

> > http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/13252/48/

> >

> > I've just check my Vit D, glucosamine supplements and they BOTH

> have

> > stearite additives.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi

Solgar is owned by NBTY Inc of New York (who also own Holland and

Barrett).

best wishes

Bob

> >

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi

>

> The information on the Icke website is out-of-date and wrong.

>

> Solgar are now owned by NBTY Inc of New York, a separately listed

> company. ('Nature's Bounty' as was).

>

> They (Solgar) are in the 'same' stable as Holland and Barrett in the

> UK.

> In my experience, because information is on a website, it doesn't

> mean it's either current, or right, or neither.

Hello Bob

Thanks for this info. I'd spent a little while this afternoon looking

up about Monsanto and Solgar because like you I've learned not to just

accept everything I read. I didn't have time to complete my research

so I'm very grateful for your input here.

I knew of the Icke site, been there before,so I was ready to be

cynical, or shall we say discerning, but it was the mention of

Monsanto that did it. I wouldn't have wanted to support them in any

way at all.

Thanks. You're a mine of information as always.

x

[Guest guest]

Hi ya, I may be wrong but I thought Solgar were made by Boots?

> >

> > Hi

> >

> > The information on the Icke website is out-of-date and

wrong.

> >

> > Solgar are now owned by NBTY Inc of New York, a separately listed

> > company. ('Nature's Bounty' as was).

> >

> > They (Solgar) are in the 'same' stable as Holland and Barrett in

the

> > UK.

>

> > In my experience, because information is on a website, it doesn't

> > mean it's either current, or right, or neither.

>

>

> Hello Bob

>

> Thanks for this info. I'd spent a little while this afternoon

looking

> up about Monsanto and Solgar because like you I've learned not to

just

> accept everything I read. I didn't have time to complete my

research

> so I'm very grateful for your input here.

>

> I knew of the Icke site, been there before,so I was ready to be

> cynical, or shall we say discerning, but it was the mention of

> Monsanto that did it. I wouldn't have wanted to support them in any

> way at all.

>

> Thanks. You're a mine of information as always.

>

> x

>

[Guest guest]

HI Bob

Thanks for that - I have always trusted Solgar and am relieved to find out that the information on this persons website is out of date - but then, are we surprised?

Luv - Sheila

In my experience, because information is on a website, it doesn't mean it's either current, or right, or neither. best wishesBob( :-) I don't own shares in NBTY Inc)

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Hi Simone,

I don't have his secretarys number (didn't know we needed a seperate

one to the office number) but I phoned the office this morning to

book a phone appointment and spoke to Dr Peatfield who said I could

talk to him there and then, so that was good not having to wait any

longer, as I needed to speak to him 2 weeks ago and I didn't realise

he'd be away on holiday.

I wasn't expecting to be able to do this today as I thought he'd be

very busy, first day back and all that, and that Jo would be there

taking calls. So you could ring the office and probably get to talk

to him today. (01883 623125)

Hope this helps,

Gillian.

>

> I have had an appointment with Dr P a few weeks ago, he did say i

> should phone his secretary for phone consultation, however i forgot

to

> get his secretary phone number. Does anyone have her number?

>

> Thanks,

>

> Luv,

>

> Simone

>

[Guest guest]

YOu need to call 01883 623125 Simone.

Luv - Sheila

Hi all

I have had an appointment with Dr P a few weeks ago, he did say i should phone his secretary for phone consultation, however i forgot to get his secretary phone number. Does anyone have her number?Thanks,Luv,Simone

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Hi Simopne

How many times have you tried Armour???

I think you might be paying too much attention to your temperature at the moment Simone. You need to be taking Armour Thyroid for a good month or more to be able to tell whether or not it is right for you. Stopping it now will have been a worthless experiment and you are not giving your body a chance to see whether it works or not. More likely, you need some form of adrenal support, and if you are taking adrenal support and it is not working, then you may need to be considering using something stronger.

You must learn to be patient and give the thyroid hormones in Armour time to do their job. We explain that the T4 in Armour needs up to 6 weeks or so to get fully absorbed in your body. Armour also has other active thyroid hormones, and your body needs to get used to them. How can anybody tell after 3 days only that Armour is not suitable for them?

You could be suffering with -

....Low adrenal reserve

....Candida Albicans

....Low Ferritin

....Low Vitamin D

....mercury poisoning

....any one of which would stop ANY thyroid hormone from working, either synthetic or natural.

Please give Armour time to work - I can assure you that it is NOT taking Armour that is giving you a low temperature.

Sheila

This has happened every time i have tried armour...my temperature drops...prior to starting armour a few days ago..my morning temp 36.5 evening temp 3.6.9...no after temp 36...my temp has never been that low...somehow i think armour may not be for me...i'm confused by this drop in temperature am going to stop armour, only been on it for 3 days and see if my temperature jumps back up..Luv,Simone

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>

> > Hi Sheila,

Agh, i have never tried armour fully, have tried it a few months ago

for a few days and noticed drop in temperature and this time again with

the drop in temperature. Dr P says i do have an adrenal problem, have

been supporting with Co-enzyme Q10, vitamin C and Biocare Ad206. Dr P

says i should continue the half grain for 2 weeks and not increase

until then. Am worried about the drop in temperature....

But you are right how can i know if it is right for me without giving

it a proper trial...Thanks,

Luv,

Simone

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H Simone,

If you have an adrenal problem, perhaps the Biocare Ad206 is not sufficient for your particular needs. There are stronger more potent adrenal supplements than this such as Nutri Lyph,Nutri Adrenal Extra, Dr 's Dynamite Adrenal etc or even Isocort which is a little stronger than those supplements, but not as strong as Cortisol. Your body temperature will drop if your adrenals are not boosted, so this is definitely your next step. You need to make sure your adrenals are properly boosted BEFORE taking any form of thyroid hormone replacement so you should stop your Armour for at least a couple of weeks and concentrate fully on your adrenals. Do continue however, taking the supplements you mention.

Luv - Sheila

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[Guest guest]

Hi Rboss4u,

I just wanted to say that many of us here with the group can relate

to the on set of depression that seems to come with this disease.

Originally I was diagnosed with Reiter's Syndrome about two years

ago. Later I was rediagnosed with the beginning symptoms of

Ankylosing.

I am a single parent of two girls and I am 31 years old. I have

always been a very independant soul and so with me having to learn to

depend on others has not been a easy journey for me.

Can I honestly say that it will ever get better? No, for there are

days that I wonder the same thing. But, I do know this. I will not

let this disease beat me. Yea, I have my days where I have my pity

pot when the pain is so bad that I wonder if it can get any worse but

I am determined to make the most out of my life.

My oldest daughter is a cancer survivor. She was four years old when

she was diagnosed. She didn't let it beat her so why should I allow

this disease beat me. Try to think about the positive when

possible. It is what I do. I may not be able to walk here in a few

years, God only knows, but I can walk today.

Barbara

>

> hello group my name is darren and i am 33 years old and i have

had

> reiters for about 9 months now. After first discovery I did a

little

> internet research and i saw enough. And i really havnt done much

> since because i didnt want to add to my depression. I have also

been

> diagnosed with a bipolar disorder about 3 years ago. so I am not

very

> happy about the whole deel. pardon that i dont know all the lingo

due

> to my non intrest in studying the disease. My initial symtoms was

one

> inflamed knee that i couldnt walk on and skin issues in the groin

> area and feet and hands. I lost three of my finger nails and all of

> my toe nails and then and then it attacked my other knee and both

> feet and my left elbow left wrist and hand. I was in a wheel chair

> for six months.My symtoms had finally subsided. And I have been

able

> to walk again. And about a month and a half ago I had inflamation

in

> my left eye that caused redness and pain. lasted almost a month.

now

> the way I understood is that it was all inflamation not an

infection.

> And the pred forte drops and a dilator drop was my solution. my

left

> eye still doesnt dilate correctly and scar tissue is still left

> behind. I lost partial range on my left hand and a couple of my

> fingers will not straighten all the way and close all the way. And

in

> the last month I have had flare ups with my toes and the joints in

> front of my toes. And what is scaring me know is one of my toes is

> becoming curved off to the side. I have seen arthritis pictures on

tv

> that are pretty scarry. I limping around and trying not to

overexurt

> myself lately. My doc put me back on my presidone after my eye

flare

> up and ive been taking embrell, sulfasalazine and methotrexate

since

> I was diagnosed. I guess I dont have any questions i want an answer

> to. I think i need a little moral suport. sorry for any misspelled

> words. when i first researched this i had the idea 6 months to 2

> years was the extent of reiters and they said there would be a good

> chance i would suffer from arthritis. After goining this group I

have

> found out otherwise on the flare ups. So i have been a little sad

> lately. I have other issues in life as well so my plate is full of

> depression and ansiety. I have more stories but i dont want to make

> this email of introduction too long. So I will message again later.

> feel free to ask any questions.

>

[Guest guest]

thanks barbara it was nice to here from you I apreciate your strenth and

determination. my toes are on fire this mourning so a positive outlook is what I

need. And from experience they will be on fire all day so I will have to read

your email several times today lol. Ive been off any pain meds and I dont even

have any for backup. I didnt have much other choice but to enter a nursing home

when I couldnt walk. I dont have anyone that can spend there day taking care of

me and Im living alone know. When I left the nursing home a couple days before I

was scheduled they discharged me without releasing my meds Including the pain

meds which I had some serious withdraws from and my kidneys started to fail

because I was dehidrated from vomiting and diareah. I was on a heavy dose of

morphine and diladid. I had to go to the hospital to get my meds represcribed

and they kept me over night to keep an IV hooked up to rehidrate me. And I told

my doctor that I didnt want

any pain meds. I am tired of taking my meds so the fewer the better for me so I

tried to cut out as many as I could. I have to give myself the embrell shot once

a week and thats not much fun.

thanks again barbara.   from darren

From: Barbara <pacifia1977@...>

Subject: Re: hi all

Date: Thursday, July 24, 2008, 1:39 AM

Hi Rboss4u,

I just wanted to say that many of us here with the group can relate

to the on set of depression that seems to come with this disease.

Originally I was diagnosed with Reiter's Syndrome about two years

ago. Later I was rediagnosed with the beginning symptoms of

Ankylosing.

I am a single parent of two girls and I am 31 years old. I have

always been a very independant soul and so with me having to learn to

depend on others has not been a easy journey for me.

Can I honestly say that it will ever get better? No, for there are

days that I wonder the same thing. But, I do know this. I will not

let this disease beat me. Yea, I have my days where I have my pity

pot when the pain is so bad that I wonder if it can get any worse but

I am determined to make the most out of my life.

My oldest daughter is a cancer survivor. She was four years old when

she was diagnosed. She didn't let it beat her so why should I allow

this disease beat me. Try to think about the positive when

possible. It is what I do. I may not be able to walk here in a few

years, God only knows, but I can walk today.

Barbara

>

> hello group my name is darren and i am 33 years old and i have

had

> reiters for about 9 months now. After first discovery I did a

little

> internet research and i saw enough. And i really havnt done much

> since because i didnt want to add to my depression. I have also

been

> diagnosed with a bipolar disorder about 3 years ago. so I am not

very

> happy about the whole deel. pardon that i dont know all the lingo

due

> to my non intrest in studying the disease. My initial symtoms was

one

> inflamed knee that i couldnt walk on and skin issues in the groin

> area and feet and hands. I lost three of my finger nails and all of

> my toe nails and then and then it attacked my other knee and both

> feet and my left elbow left wrist and hand. I was in a wheel chair

> for six months.My symtoms had finally subsided. And I have been

able

> to walk again. And about a month and a half ago I had inflamation

in

> my left eye that caused redness and pain. lasted almost a month.

now

> the way I understood is that it was all inflamation not an

infection.

> And the pred forte drops and a dilator drop was my solution. my

left

> eye still doesnt dilate correctly and scar tissue is still left

> behind. I lost partial range on my left hand and a couple of my

> fingers will not straighten all the way and close all the way. And

in

> the last month I have had flare ups with my toes and the joints in

> front of my toes. And what is scaring me know is one of my toes is

> becoming curved off to the side. I have seen arthritis pictures on

tv

> that are pretty scarry. I limping around and trying not to

overexurt

> myself lately. My doc put me back on my presidone after my eye

flare

> up and ive been taking embrell, sulfasalazine and methotrexate

since

> I was diagnosed. I guess I dont have any questions i want an answer

> to. I think i need a little moral suport. sorry for any misspelled

> words. when i first researched this i had the idea 6 months to 2

> years was the extent of reiters and they said there would be a good

> chance i would suffer from arthritis. After goining this group I

have

> found out otherwise on the flare ups. So i have been a little sad

> lately. I have other issues in life as well so my plate is full of

> depression and ansiety. I have more stories but i dont want to make

> this email of introduction too long. So I will message again later.

> feel free to ask any questions.

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Darren your story closely resembles my own situation. i am 19

years old and have since had everything fall apart. my doc told me 3

months to a year. and since i have discovered differently. its

definately scaring the hell outta me as well. casue the fingers on my

right hand are also doing the same thing they hurt and cannot bend.

and as of now i have only lost 2 toe nails but its freaky how similar

all this is. i just dont know what to expect. i guess im not very

good at introductions but if u'd like to talk feel free.

[Guest guest]

  Hi justin, it does sound like you have some of the same symtoms I was going

through. And like you have been hearing we or the doctors cannot predict what

course each of us will follow. Im not familiar with one of your meds but that

wont take long for me to check into it. I am back on a little higher dose of

presidone again 40mg. and kinda talked my doctor into letting me take half in

the mourning and half at night it seems to help me because the worst part of my

day is the mournings and I had the feeling it wasnt making it 24 hours in my

system. One new thing that im working on is keeping my stress levels down and

trying not to get upset or worried. Come to find out it changes and effects lots

of chemicals in the body and I may of had a flare up induced by stress. Not 100%

on that but it will take another stressful event to know for sure. The

inflamation that reacured in my toes is subsiding but leaving with bruises and

it still looks like I will

loose another toe nail. I had almost grown them all back. So stay as possitive

as possible. And if you have any questions let me know. Or to talk feel free as

well.  Are you taking any pain meds.

From: durkadurkaji <durkadurkaji@...>

Subject: Re: hi all

Date: Wednesday, August 20, 2008, 4:32 PM

Hello Darren your story closely resembles my own situation. i am 19

years old and have since had everything fall apart. my doc told me 3

months to a year. and since i have discovered differently. its

definately scaring the hell outta me as well. casue the fingers on my

right hand are also doing the same thing they hurt and cannot bend.

and as of now i have only lost 2 toe nails but its freaky how similar

all this is. i just dont know what to expect. i guess im not very

good at introductions but if u'd like to talk feel free.

[Guest guest]

no my doc just gave me the anti inflammatories, it really sucks because even

with the drugs theres still a pretty significant amount of pain. and im really

getting tired of hurting all the time. i would hope that she could do something,

anything for the pain. but as it stands now im just kinda roughin it.

From: durkadurkaji <durkadurkaji>

Subject: Re: hi all

groups (DOT) com

Date: Wednesday, August 20, 2008, 4:32 PM

Hello Darren your story closely resembles my own situation. i am 19

years old and have since had everything fall apart. my doc told me 3

months to a year. and since i have discovered differently. its

definately scaring the hell outta me as well. casue the fingers on my

right hand are also doing the same thing they hurt and cannot bend.

and as of now i have only lost 2 toe nails but its freaky how similar

all this is. i just dont know what to expect. i guess im not very

good at introductions but if u'd like to talk feel free.

[Guest guest]

hi, anti inflammatories take time to get into your system. if you just started

taking them then give them a chance. one other thing to note, not all meds work

for everyone. if you get no relief from the meds youre on now, then you may have

to ask your doctor to let you try something else. i went thru 3-4 different anti

inflammatories before i got one that worked well for me.

good luck and be patient ~ james

From: J Morg <durkadurkaji@...>

Subject: Re: Re: hi all

Date: Sunday, August 24, 2008, 3:44 AM

no my doc just gave me the anti inflammatories, it really sucks

because even with the drugs theres still a pretty significant amount of pain.

and im really getting tired of hurting all the time. i would hope that she could

do something, anything for the pain. but as it stands now im just kinda roughin

it.

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Simone

I haven't a spare one but bought mine from here http://www.genmedical.com/store/

Anne

xx

2008/9/7 sm_telo <sm_telo@...>

I'm wondering does anyone have a spare mercury thermometer i couldbuy..i have lost mine..and now cannot seem to find a new one to buy,boots only sell digital ones.Many thanks,Simone

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Anne,

You're a star ..thanks so much..

x

>

> 2

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

hi simone; i got mine at sainsburys. regards jane

[Guest guest]

Hi

Simone - I need to see references to studies to show this is the case. Can you

get these for us please, and then we are more in a position to be able to

comment.

Luv -

Sheila

they say that siberian ginseng is something to avoid for hypothyroid

patients or peeps subclinical as it stimulates and triggers antibodies.

,___

[Guest guest]

hi hw r u?

From: VIJAY JAIN <vkj64@...>Subject: hi all Date: Wednesday, 4 March, 2009, 10:27 AM

hi all

Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now.

[Guest guest]

Hi

nice to see that new people are joining..Have been a member of this

group since quiet time but this is the first time i am writing.

Ever since repeating a year in school last year I've faced

taunts,people saying negative things,even my parents didn't support

me.Didn't know what to do with my life.And thanks to the posts in this

group I've come out of it and riding on success.

Smiles across miles!

Regards,

Saish Borkar

On 3/4/09, VIJAY JAIN <vkj64@...> wrote:

>

> hi all

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Welcome, My name is Kim I was banded in July of 08 and am down roughly 104 lbs!

feeling fabulous. I work hard... exercise daily (never miss) and still getting

my protein in! Keep up the good work!

>

> Just wanted to introduce myself. My name is Mecca. I was banded in June of

2003. I started out at 515 and have been at about 295 for the past three years.

I'm looking to get things started again, with your help. Happy to meet you!

>