Magnesium

[Guest guest]

`Natural Calm for kids' is a magnesium drink with flavoring... it also adds a

little zinc and vitamin C. A number of us on this forum take the adult version

of this product for our magnesium.

--- Ives <mives@...> wrote:

> BlankI'm catching up on this group, and interested in the magnesium thread.

> In any event, my 9 year old daughter was just diagnosed hypothyroid by a

> Broda doctor. She wants her on magnesium as well, but I'm having a

> heck of a time finding a chewable magnesium. Does anybody have any ideas how

> to get magnesium into a kid who won't swallow pills?

>

> Best,

>

> Handcrafted Jewelry ~ http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com

> Curly Horse Rescue ~ http://www.CurlyRescue.com

>

> ~If you can stay calm, while all around you is chaos...then

> you probably haven't completely understood the situation.~

> ~Flashlights are tubular metal containers for the

> purpose of storing dead batteries.~

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I would think transdermally would be the best option since magnesium

isn't well absorbed in the first place. Epsom Salt bathes or

magnesium gel would do the trick.

-Lana

On 6/30/06, Ives <mives@...> wrote:

I'm catching up on this group, and interested in the magnesium thread. In any event, my 9 year old daughter was just diagnosed hypothyroid by a Broda doctor. She wants her on magnesium as well, but I'm having a heck of a time finding a chewable magnesium. Does anybody have any ideas how to get magnesium into a kid who won't swallow pills?

Best, Handcrafted Jewelry ~ http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.comCurly Horse Rescue ~ http://www.CurlyRescue.com

~If you can stay calm, while all around you is chaos...then you probably haven't completely understood the situation.~~Flashlights are tubular metal containers for thepurpose of storing dead batteries.~

[Guest guest]

Where do you get magnesium gel?

Have you ever tried getting a 9 year old to bathe? LOL!

Best, Handcrafted Jewelry ~ http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.comCurly Horse Rescue ~ http://www.CurlyRescue.com

~If you can stay calm, while all around you is chaos...then you probably haven't completely understood the situation.~~Flashlights are tubular metal containers for thepurpose of storing dead batteries.~

I would think transdermally would be the best option since magnesium isn't well absorbed in the first place. Epsom Salt bathes or magnesium gel would do the trick.

[Guest guest]

>From: " Ives " <mives@...>

>

>BlankI'm catching up on this group, and interested in the magnesium thread.

> In any event, my 9 year old daughter was just diagnosed hypothyroid by a

>Broda doctor. She wants her on magnesium as well, but I'm having a

>heck of a time finding a chewable magnesium. Does anybody have any ideas

>how to get magnesium into a kid who won't swallow pills?

Did you get copies of her labs? Was the magnesium level tested? (I know

the blood test is not the best test, but can be an indicator.) Anyway, just

as with every supplement, not everyone does well on it.

By now, someone has probably already mentioned Magna Calm, which I think is

a magnesium supplement I saw in an informercial. If one has a deficiency

in magnesium, it's like a miracle cure.

Also, I was thinking that Dr. Atkins prescribed so many vitamin pills that

he suggested people put them in a blender and mix them with water or juice

to get down.

Skipper

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[Guest guest]

You could try epsom salts baths. Also you could try adding something like

natural calm which is magnesium citrate powder to her drinks. I don't

know if she will object to the taste but there isn't a whole lot of taste

to it. I add it to my iced tea.

Irene

At 07:44 AM 6/30/2006, you wrote:

I'm catching up on this group,

and interested in the magnesium thread. In any event, my 9 year old

daughter was just diagnosed hypothyroid by a Broda doctor. She

wants her on magnesium as well, but I'm having a heck of a time finding a

chewable magnesium. Does anybody have any ideas how to get

magnesium into a kid who won't swallow pills?

Best,

Handcrafted Jewelry ~

http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com

Curly Horse Rescue ~

http://www.CurlyRescue.com

~If you can stay calm, while all around you is chaos...then

you probably haven't completely understood the situation.~

~Flashlights are tubular metal containers for the

purpose of storing dead batteries.~

[Guest guest]

Chewable magnesium -

Nature's Plus brand - Nutri-Cal Hearts

is a chewable calcium and magnesium. take after or during meals.

hold the chewable tablet in the mouth a few seconds and

allow it to soften up a bit with saliva before chewing.

Opening capsules into smoothies and blending works well too.

[Ref: my article* on how to make supplements palatable for people

who cannor or will not take pills or large pills.]

--

I was disappointed in a recent efferevescent hot-water soluable

magnesium recently, seemed to have an extreme action in the

colon, pulled a lot of water into the colon, not a smooth

and manageable process overall.

Carol

willis_protocols

*article archive in Files, blog, Links, pics, not a discussion grp.

[Guest guest]

I don't believe this is what she wants, as she wants a magnesium supplement,

not a cal/mag one. If her mag is low and cal is OK, then the skewed ratio

will remain. I will try the " natural calm " though.

Best,

Handcrafted Jewelry ~ http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com

Curly Horse Rescue ~ http://www.CurlyRescue.com

~If you can stay calm, while all around you is chaos...then

you probably haven't completely understood the situation.~

~Flashlights are tubular metal containers for the

purpose of storing dead batteries.~

> Chewable magnesium -

>

> Nature's Plus brand - Nutri-Cal Hearts

> is a chewable calcium and magnesium. take after or during meals.

> hold the chewable tablet in the mouth a few seconds and

> allow it to soften up a bit with saliva before chewing.

[Guest guest]

Ives wrote:

> I'm catching up on this group, and interested in the magnesium

> thread. In any event, my 9 year old daughter was just diagnosed

> hypothyroid by a Broda doctor. She wants her on magnesium as

> well, but I'm having a heck of a time finding a chewable magnesium.

> Does anybody have any ideas how to get magnesium into a kid who won't

> swallow pills?

>

> Best,

>

Smoothies! We make smoothies every morning, with all the

supplements we think everyone needs. Amazingly,

you can't taste them, what with all the other

good stuff. Calcium and magnesium have next

to no taste.

Here is one favorite:

2 bananas

1/2 cup coconut milk

water (about 2 cups)

supplements or whatever.

Blend til smooth.

Then add ice and blend a little more.

You can also add plain coconut,

which I like but adds an odd texture that

isn't appreciated by everyone. Frozen

berries are nice too. We tend to freeze

fruit that is going past it's prime and toss

it into smoothies.

-- Heidi

[Guest guest]

I occasionally get a charley horse in my left calf upon awakening in the a.m. Could this mean I need more magnesium? This morning it was pretty awful - the pain was very bad, although it was nowhere near the kidney stone pain, which was the worst pain I have ever experienced - and I gave birth three times, the second was awful - 9 lbs 3 oz and ripping; kidney stones was much worse. So the charley horse was bad, but not horrible, but now I am wondering if magnesium plays a part here because I get them 2-3x per month. I am getting enough minerals to help the RLS, but maybe not enough to stop the charley horse entirely? C.

[Guest guest]

For me, my leg cramping was caused by oxalate build up. Getting on a

low oxalate diet really helped me a lot. See here:

Trying_Low_Oxalates/

Alobar

On 9/13/06, <cccquilter@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> I occasionally get a charley horse in my left calf upon awakening in the a.m.

Could this mean I need more magnesium? This morning it was pretty awful - the

pain was very bad, although it was nowhere near the kidney stone pain, which was

the worst pain I have ever experienced - and I gave birth three times, the

second was awful - 9 lbs 3 oz and ripping; kidney stones was much worse. So the

charley horse was bad, but not horrible, but now I am wondering if magnesium

plays a part here because I get them 2-3x per month. I am getting enough

minerals to help the RLS, but maybe not enough to stop the charley horse

entirely?

>

> C.

[Guest guest]

Leg and other cramps for me are relived with sufficient Magnesium plus B6, it's cofactor.

Here's an excellent writeup on Mg Chloride, one of several links on the importance of Mg.

MAGNESIUM CHLORIDEfor Health & Rejuvenation_http://users.mrbean.net.au/~wlast/magnesiumchloride.html_(http://users.mrbean.net.au/~wlast/magnesiumchloride.html)by Walter LastMagnesium is nothing short of a miracle mineral in its healing effect on awide range of diseases as well as in its ability to rejuvenate the aging body.We know that it is essential for many enzyme reactions, especially in regardto cellular energy production, for the health of the brain and nervoussystem and also for healthy teeth and bones. However, it may come as a surprisethat in the form of magnesium chloride it is also an impressive infectionfighter.

mjh"The Basil Book"http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/

[Guest guest]

Thanks Alobar, but I have an inherited kidney condition that causes my stones - Medullary Sponge Kidney. The Urologist and I looked into oxylates, but once we did the special X-ray with contrast and he could see into my kidneys, we found the problem. For me, it means drinking LOTS of water to prevent stones, as the tubes inside my kidneys are much larger than they should be, which allows pooling and crystal formation, which in turn forms stones. The tubes inside a normal kidney are much smaller than mine.

[Guest guest]

Some interesting info about magnesium:

>>

The efficiency of absorption of magnesium is inversely proportional to the amount of magnesium ingested. The fractional absorption of magnesium from 7 to 36 milligrams was found to be 65% to 70% in one study. The same study reported a fractional absorption of 11% to 14% with a magnesium intake of 960 to 1,000 milligrams. One study of magnesium absorption from food sources reported a fractional absorption of 40% to 60% of a daily intake of 380 milligrams of magnesium in healthy older men.

Magnesium appears to be absorbed from both the small intestine and the colon. The sites of maximal magnesium absorption appear to be the distal jejunum and ileum. The efficiency of absorption (fractional absorption) of a magnesium salt appears to principally depend on its solubility in intestinal fluids, as well as on the amount digested. Enteric-coated magnesium salts are less efficiently absorbed than non enteric-coated preparations. Salts with high solubility, e.g., magnesium citrate, appear to be more efficiently absorbed than salts with poor solubility, e.g., magnesium oxide. There are a few reports that suggest that the counter anion of the magnesium salt may influence its absorption. Magnesium aspartate and magnesium orotate are reported by some to be more available forms of magnesium than other magnesium salts. However, there are no compelling data that indicate that the nature of the counter anion makes any significant difference on the availability of magnesium salt, independent of its possible effect on the solubility of the salt.

Magnesium appears to be absorbed by both a saturable active transport mechanism and an unsaturable passive mechanism. The saturable active transport mechanism may account for the higher absorption efficiency at lower magnesium intakes. There is no good evidence that vitamin D and its active metabolite, 1, 25-dihydroxyvitamin D (1, 25(OH)2D) play a significant role in the absorption of magnesium, as some have suggested.>>

http://www.pdrhealth.com/drug_info/nmdrugprofiles/nutsupdrugs/mag_0167.shtml

[Guest guest]

Again, I'm a big animal person- that's where most of my experience

that's not personal lies, what we saw and did clinically as well as

with the hundreds we have seen thru our farm and rescues.

Hair is only accurate to the point of telling you where you were, not

where you are. It takes a while for the hair cells to be formed to

create the hair. Also, it can be influenced by externals such as

chemicals used on your hair etc as well as the environment that you're

in (heavy smoke for a day etc). I think it's a good starting off

point. If everything comes up normal, I'd say you're probably ok,

(you can certainly rule certain things out, which is often the point

of tests anyway- not to find disease, but to find what it's NOT so

that you can continue looking for the right direction) but it can give

false positives on things. Still, if it gives you even a direction to

begin heading, I think it would be worthwhile to look into. I

wouldn't use it as my only diagnostic tho it seems to be a good tool.

E

>

> I use hair mineral testing. I've been told this an accurate way of

> testing your mineral status. Also toxic metal ratios etc. Do you all

> agree.

> Sally

>

[Guest guest]

When in doubt, go to the source. This is a study published in JAMA.

California Department of Health Services, Environmental Health

Investigations Branch, 1515 Clay St, Suite 1700, Oakland, CA 94612,

USA. sseidel@...

CONTEXT: Hair mineral analysis is being used by health care

practitioners and promoted by laboratories as a clinical assessment

tool and to identify toxic exposures, despite a 1985 study that found

poor reliability for this test. OBJECTIVE: To assess whether the

reliability of data from commercial laboratories advertising

multimineral hair analyses for nutritional or toxicity assessment has

improved since the 1985 study. DESIGN, SETTING, AND PARTICIPANTS: A

split hair sample taken from near the scalp of a single healthy

volunteer was submitted for analysis to 6 commercial US laboratories,

which analyze 90% of samples submitted for mineral analysis in the

United States. MAIN OUTCOME MEASURES: Agreement of test results for

each analyte, laboratory reference ranges, laboratory characteristics,

and interpretation of health implications. RESULTS: Laboratory

differences in highest and lowest reported mineral concentrations for

the split sample exceeded 10-fold for 12 minerals, and statistically

significant (P<.05) extreme values were reported for 14 of the 31

minerals that were analyzed by 3 or more laboratories. Variations also

were found in laboratory sample preparation methods and calibration

standards. Laboratory designations of normal reference ranges varied

greatly, resulting in conflicting classifications (high, normal, or

low) of nearly all analyzed minerals. Laboratories also provided

conflicting dietary and nutritional supplement recommendations based

on their results. CONCLUSIONS: Hair mineral analysis from these

laboratories was unreliable, and we recommend that health care

practitioners refrain from using such analyses to assess individual

nutritional status or suspected environmental exposures. Problems with

the regulation and certification of these laboratories also should be

addressed.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=1\

1150111 & dopt=Abstract

E (Ellen in Missouri)

> >

> > I use hair mineral testing. I've been told this an accurate way of

> > testing your mineral status. Also toxic metal ratios etc. Do you all

> > agree.

> > Sally

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Re: Beck blood cleanser... other

benefits

Hi,

Thank you for the fascinating, informative and valuable discussion of

magnesium and calcium in our diet.

I have been using magnesium sulphate [ epsom salts] as my source, taking 4

size-OO capsules daily.

Questions; how much magnesium am I getting from MgS04? And what form of

magnesium do you recommend?

Thank you, much. Bob

>

>

> In a message dated 11/8/2007 11:02:04 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> MC1@... writes:

>

> However you will do better if you take your magnesium balanced 1:1

> with calcium. Either coral calcium or dolomite

[Guest guest]

Transdermal magnesium is my choice.

It does not have the drawbacks of oral supplementation. I buy

magnesium oil from Global Light Network.

[Guest guest]

Can I ask how much? I saw bottles of magnesium at the store that said to drink half the bottle every day. What are the effects of drinking it? What about the artisian water that claims to have 13 magnesium in each bottle? Rhonda http://rhondaboo.com/index.htmllast update 4-29-2007 Re: magnesium

Transdermal magnesium is my choice.

It does not have the drawbacks of oral supplementation. I buy

magnesium oil from Global Light Network.

[Guest guest]

>

>

> Re: Beck blood cleanser...

other

> benefits

>

>

> Hi,

>

> Thank you for the fascinating, informative and valuable discussion

of

> magnesium and calcium in our diet.

>

> I have been using magnesium sulphate [ epsom salts] as my source,

taking 4

> size-OO capsules daily.

>

> Questions; how much magnesium am I getting from MgS04? And what

form of

> magnesium do you recommend?

The problem with any mineral is whether it is in a form that the body

can absorb. One of the most effective ways to get it through the

intestinal wall and into the bloodstream is to use either a colloidal

solution or an amino acid chelate. Both of those would be neutrally

charged... as charged minerals do not pass through cell membranes

easily eg. intestinal membranes.

Mg has an molecular weight of 24

S has a MW of 32

O has a MW of 16

24 v's 32 (4 x 16) = 24 v's 96

that means for each 1g of Mg you would get about 4 g of S and O

In other words divide your MgSO4 by 1/5 to establish how much Mg you

actually ingest.

My reason for suggesting dolomite is that it's cheap... and if you

mix it with ascorbic acid the Mg and Ca in it becomes very well

absorbed. Plus you get a lot of it... many of the other methods

result in not much of either mineral being absorbed:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ASCORBIC-ACID-L-Ascorbic-VITAMIN-C-1-Lb-

Special_W0QQitemZ250185205637QQihZ015QQcategoryZ40964QQcmdZViewItem

NB. Has to be mixed in the mouth which makes it slightly

inconvenient... I believe some of the enzymes in saliva are

responsible for the reaction as I can't get it to work in a glass

(you can react bicarbonate and ascorbic acid in a glass to give

sodium ascorbate).

I don't think anyone is very familiar with the Mg/Ca ascorbic acid

method... as it's slightly fiddly.

> Thank you, much. Bob

>

>

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 11/8/2007 11:02:04 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> > MC1@ writes:

> >

> > However you will do better if you take your magnesium balanced

1:1

> > with calcium. Either coral calcium or dolomite

>

[Guest guest]

thats useful to know, thanks Lillian

[Guest guest]

Thanks..I just ordered some.

BarbF

In a message dated 6/21/2008 10:48:47 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ladybugsandbees@... writes:

>>I use Ancient Minerals

Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars.

[Guest guest]

Great Barb! I attached the instructions for use - if you are on digest or read from the web let me know and I will send it to you privately.

Steph

Re: Magnesium

Thanks..I just ordered some.

BarbF

In a message dated 6/21/2008 10:48:47 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ladybugsandbees@... writes:

>>I use Ancient Minerals

Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars.

[Guest guest]

Thanks...I'm printing them out right now.

BarbF

In a message dated 6/21/2008 11:46:32 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ladybugsandbees@... writes:

>>I attached the instructions for use

Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars.

[Guest guest]

Magnesium glycinate is the only kind of magnesium which works for me. Apparently

it is more digestible.

[Guest guest]

I just started taking Ionic Fizz. It is the best magnesium supplement I have

found. *smile* If anybody knows anything about it, I would appreciate hearing.

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Re: magnesium

Magnesium glycinate is the only kind of magnesium which works for me.

Apparently it is more digestible.