Magnesium

[Guest guest]

Tom,

I use Natural Vitality's Calm. It's a powder that you dissolve in hot water

and add ice to. You can find it at www.naturalcalm.net. I get mine at a

health food store of at my chiropractors.

Magnesium

> What is the best retail source and/or brand of Magnesium? I need to buy

> some today. I shop at Whole Foods in Arlington, TX.

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> Then once I purchase this magnesium, what's the best source retail or

> online?

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> Tom

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/29/2003 9:48:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

az1home@... writes:

<< Could too much B-vitamins, or mag/potassium make you go the bathroom

to much. Or could just stress cause this to happen. The reason Iam

asking is I doubled my mag/potassim and my B vitamins to get a better

affect of my body. >>

Maybe you're too young but there used to be a laxative called " Milk of

Magnesia " . That answer your question?

[Guest guest]

Too much magnesium causes d...ia

Magnesium

Could too much B-vitamins, or mag/potassium make you go the bathroom

to much. Or could just stress cause this to happen. The reason Iam

asking is I doubled my mag/potassim and my B vitamins to get a better

affect of my body. It has helped with the leg cramps I dont have

them any more. But my stomach thinks I have the flu if you get my

drift. Also I eat banana's or could it be that I cheated on vacation

and this could be an after effect and my body is dextoxing itself

from wheat. Sorry I had homemade lasagna from my sister in law.

B.

[Guest guest]

--Then I will cut back to two a day instead of four. Thanks

B.

- In , " Dekany " <info@f...> wrote:

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Too much magnesium causes d...ia

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> Magnesium

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> Could too much B-vitamins, or mag/potassium make you go the

bathroom

> to much. Or could just stress cause this to happen. The reason

Iam

> asking is I doubled my mag/potassim and my B vitamins to get a

better

> affect of my body. It has helped with the leg cramps I dont have

> them any more. But my stomach thinks I have the flu if you get my

> drift. Also I eat banana's or could it be that I cheated on

vacation

> and this could be an after effect and my body is dextoxing itself

> from wheat. Sorry I had homemade lasagna from my sister in law.

> B.

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[Guest guest]

--Thanks I got it. B.

- In , Maddviking@A... wrote:

> In a message dated 4/29/2003 9:48:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> az1home@y... writes:

>

> << Could too much B-vitamins, or mag/potassium make you go the

bathroom

> to much. Or could just stress cause this to happen. The reason

Iam

> asking is I doubled my mag/potassim and my B vitamins to get a

better

> affect of my body. >>

> Maybe you're too young but there used to be a laxative called " Milk

of

> Magnesia " . That answer your question?

[Guest guest]

,

After you cut back, if your legs bother you again you might want to raise

that to taking 3 day.

Magnesium

> >

> > Could too much B-vitamins, or mag/potassium make you go the

> bathroom

> > to much. Or could just stress cause this to happen. The reason

> Iam

> > asking is I doubled my mag/potassim and my B vitamins to get a

> better

> > affect of my body. It has helped with the leg cramps I dont have

> > them any more. But my stomach thinks I have the flu if you get my

> > drift. Also I eat banana's or could it be that I cheated on

> vacation

> > and this could be an after effect and my body is dextoxing itself

> > from wheat. Sorry I had homemade lasagna from my sister in law.

> > B.

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[Guest guest]

You are welcome!

Magnesium

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> Could too much B-vitamins, or mag/potassium make you go the

bathroom

> to much. Or could just stress cause this to happen. The reason

Iam

> asking is I doubled my mag/potassim and my B vitamins to get a

better

> affect of my body. It has helped with the leg cramps I dont have

> them any more. But my stomach thinks I have the flu if you get my

> drift. Also I eat banana's or could it be that I cheated on

vacation

> and this could be an after effect and my body is dextoxing itself

> from wheat. Sorry I had homemade lasagna from my sister in law.

> B.

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[Guest guest]

I was taking two a day. And that was fine, I dont know why I

was taking four a day maybe just confused. But now I have to let it

work its way out of my system because Im still sick from it today.

Accept my legs started cramping and my feet because I didnt take

any. I will suffer a couple of more days before I start up again.

Thanks again B.

>

[Guest guest]

How much magnesium should you take for Fibromyalgia, just the

suggested amount on the bottle or do we need more? I also am interested

it the Ginger

Tea but I am drinking Green Tea for weight loss. Do you think it would

work to put some Ginger in the Green tea?

I made this Feta Cheese Dressing because I love Blue Cheese Dressing,

Let me know how it is for type O's I used regurlar mayonnaise because

that is all I had, how about using Soy or that Vegenoise Dressing?

2 C. mayonnaise

3/4 C. Soy Milk

4 to 6 oz. crumbled Feta Cheese

1 tsp garlic powder.

Mix all together and let stand for a couple hours to blend.

Sharon

[Guest guest]

If you can get NOW magnesium caps. They are 400mg. Try 2 to 4 x a day. Too

much mag. causes loose bowels, so that's how you can judge your level.. Do you

take Vit C or Grape seed extract for anti-oxidants?

Ginger with your green tea would be good. Also comes in caps. Turmeric comes

in caps, also.

Dressing might not be too bad. Just use a small amount for the flavor and

extend with olive oil and lemon juice or vinegar. Or try olive oil & lemon

juice with crumbles of feta.

Do you consume other good oils? Flax, Salmon or Borage?

Kathy

sleen@... wrote:

How much magnesium should you take for Fibromyalgia, just the

suggested amount on the bottle or do we need more? I also am interested

it the Ginger

Tea but I am drinking Green Tea for weight loss. Do you think it would

work to put some Ginger in the Green tea?

I made this Feta Cheese Dressing because I love Blue Cheese Dressing,

Let me know how it is for type O's I used regurlar mayonnaise because

that is all I had, how about using Soy or that Vegenoise Dressing?

2 C. mayonnaise

3/4 C. Soy Milk

4 to 6 oz. crumbled Feta Cheese

1 tsp garlic powder.

Mix all together and let stand for a couple hours to blend.

Sharon

[Guest guest]

great information, thanks Irene

[Guest guest]

Irene, thanks for this great post. However, I didn't see anything on

the value of the one I take --Mag-citrate.

(400 mg per two tabs --Solgars brand).

Since you first mentioned taking away from fat, I have been doing so.

My bottle suggests two per day, with meals. Not possible for me as I

have fat at all meals.

Can you comment on this? Thanks!

Wanda

[Guest guest]

I also use magnesium citrate. From a Gittleman book, up to 2:1 Mg:Ca

can be helpful. I'm taking 1000 mg mag citrate plus 100 mg Mg and

500 mg Calcium from Phytocal O. I'm still not at bowel tolerance,

but sleeping like a baby. With calcium in my diet I'm probably

closer to 1:1. A naturopath spoke at my company about sleep. He

recommended magnesium at bedtime to aid sleep, just start at 100 mg,

then increase to bowel tolerance. I'm stopping at 1000 mg/day. I

take a 200mg tablet with B, L and D along with a Phytocal O, then 2

tablets at bedtime.

> Irene, thanks for this great post. However, I didn't see anything

on

> the value of the one I take --Mag-citrate.

> (400 mg per two tabs --Solgars brand).

>

> Since you first mentioned taking away from fat, I have been doing

so.

> My bottle suggests two per day, with meals. Not possible for me as

I

> have fat at all meals.

>

> Can you comment on this? Thanks!

>

> Wanda

[Guest guest]

Where does Magnesium Peroxide weigh in? It is great for colon cleansing -

thanks - but can it count as a valid source magnesium? One thing it

does for me is eliminate the shoulder/arm something-is-PAINfully-stuck

syndrome that I get after eating an avoid.

[Guest guest]

Magnesium is only the carrier for oxygen

ABO Specifics Inc. - http://www.foodforyourblood.com

Re: Magnesium

Where does Magnesium Peroxide come in? It is a great colon cleanser -

thanks - but does it count as a valid source of magnesium? One

thing

it does for me is eliminate the shoulder/arm

something-is-PAINfully-stuck

syndrome I have after eating an avoid.

[Guest guest]

I appreciate your not rambling on and on, , but sometimes you are so brief

I am left in my ignorance. (-: " honiholo " asked if Magnesium Peroxide counts

as a valid source of magnesium, and you said " Magnesium is the only carrier for

oxygen. " Is that yes or no? Oh, and I see you were not being as brief as you

might have been! (-:

I think I will do my next TOPS program on the role of magnesium in the body,

so I want to be sure I understand what you are getting at.

Thanks,

Gretchen

From: THOMAS DEKANY

Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 9:51 PM

Magnesium is only the carrier for oxygen

ABO Specifics Inc. - http://www.foodforyourblood.com

-----Original Message-----

From: honiholo [mailto:honiholo@...]

Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 9:31 PM

Where does Magnesium Peroxide come in? It is a great colon cleanser - thanks

- but does it count as a valid source of magnesium? One thing it does

for me is eliminate the shoulder/arm something-is-PAINfully-stuck syndrome I

have after eating an avoid.

[Guest guest]

The answer is no. the amount is way too low.

Get magnesium from organic green leafy veggies or use Vitamin

Power/Natures plus **chelated magnesium tablets** - both come in 250mg

each only.

ABO Specifics Inc. - http://www.foodforyourblood.com

Re: Magnesium

I appreciate your not rambling on and on, , but sometimes you are

so brief I am left in my ignorance. (-: " honiholo " asked if Magnesium

Peroxide counts as a valid source of magnesium, and you said " Magnesium

is the only carrier for oxygen. " Is that yes or no? Oh, and I see you

were not being as brief as you might have been! (-:

I think I will do my next TOPS program on the role of magnesium in

the body, so I want to be sure I understand what you are getting at.

Thanks,

Gretchen

From: THOMAS DEKANY

Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 9:51 PM

Magnesium is only the carrier for oxygen

ABO Specifics Inc. - http://www.foodforyourblood.com

-----Original Message-----

From: honiholo [mailto:honiholo@...]

Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 9:31 PM

Where does Magnesium Peroxide come in? It is a great colon cleanser -

thanks - but does it count as a valid source of magnesium? One

thing it does for me is eliminate the shoulder/arm

something-is-PAINfully-stuck syndrome I have after eating an avoid.

[Guest guest]

--- Where do you get these chelated magnesium tablets from? Marjorie.

In , " THOMAS DEKANY " <tdekany@c...> wrote:

> The answer is no. the amount is way too low.

>

> Get magnesium from organic green leafy veggies or use Vitamin

> Power/Natures plus **chelated magnesium tablets** - both come in

250mg

> each only.

>

> ABO Specifics Inc. - http://www.foodforyourblood.com

> Re: Magnesium

>

> I appreciate your not rambling on and on, , but sometimes

you are

> so brief I am left in my ignorance. (-: " honiholo " asked if

Magnesium

> Peroxide counts as a valid source of magnesium, and you

said " Magnesium

> is the only carrier for oxygen. " Is that yes or no? Oh, and I see

you

> were not being as brief as you might have been! (-:

> I think I will do my next TOPS program on the role of

magnesium in

> the body, so I want to be sure I understand what you are getting

at.

> Thanks,

> Gretchen

>

> From: THOMAS DEKANY

> Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 9:51 PM

>

> Magnesium is only the carrier for oxygen

>

> ABO Specifics Inc. - http://www.foodforyourblood.com

> -----Original Message-----

> From: honiholo [mailto:honiholo@n...]

> Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 9:31 PM

> Where does Magnesium Peroxide come in? It is a great colon

cleanser -

> thanks - but does it count as a valid source of magnesium?

One

> thing it does for me is eliminate the shoulder/arm

> something-is-PAINfully-stuck syndrome I have after eating an avoid.

>

>

[Guest guest]

It depends on the type of magnesium you took for one thing. For example,

Magnesium Oxide is about 10% absorbable, the rest runs right through.

Magnesium Glycinate capsules seem to be some of the most absorbable although

starting slow is important; 100-200mg to begin. Once you have reached a level

of deficiency it is hard to absorb orally because of the loss other minerals

like b6 and zinc. Bypassing the GI tract is the only way to quickly get your

levels up. You could soak in epsom salt baths (mag sulphate) or use magnesium

gel or oils on your skin. You might want to try eating a couple ounces of

shelled pumpkin seeds a day for a while (80% of the RDA) to see if you can

tolerate it. The most efficient way to get your tissue levels up are with mag

IV's. I was able to stop my beta-blockers immediately after my IV's.

Magnesium is natures calcium channel blocker. Calcium contracts the heart and

mag causes the relaxation phase...an absence of mag causes a abnormal

contraction or worse. Too much of a calcium intake is also a big problem in

the absence of magnesium since it is stored in the body in the form of calcium

deposits.

Take this test to see if you may be severely mag deficient.

http://www.thewayup.com/newsletters/081501.htm

--- susbarb1@... wrote:

> Did not help heart palps

> Also gave me lots of gas.

> Mag is a good stool softener, but not help

> peristalsis. Maybe I need to give

> it a few weeks.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

, did you require some sort of testing prior to getting the magnesium IV? I have an appointment later this month with my alternative MD and I remember

her saying once before that you have to be very cautious getting magnesium

IV.s I am pretty sure I am extremely deficient after years of stress resulting from

burning the candle at both ends, and my responses to the quiz you sent the

link on.

Karin

-----Original Message-----From: iodine [mailto:iodine ]On Behalf Of Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 12:22 PMiodine Subject: Re: MagnesiumIt depends on the type of magnesium you took for one thing. For example,Magnesium Oxide is about 10% absorbable, the rest runs right through. Magnesium Glycinate capsules seem to be some of the most absorbable althoughstarting slow is important; 100-200mg to begin. Once you have reached a levelof deficiency it is hard to absorb orally because of the loss other mineralslike b6 and zinc. Bypassing the GI tract is the only way to quickly get yourlevels up. You could soak in epsom salt baths (mag sulphate) or use magnesiumgel or oils on your skin. You might want to try eating a couple ounces ofshelled pumpkin seeds a day for a while (80% of the RDA) to see if you cantolerate it. The most efficient way to get your tissue levels up are with magIV's. I was able to stop my beta-blockers immediately after my IV's. Magnesium is natures calcium channel blocker. Calcium contracts the heart andmag causes the relaxation phase...an absence of mag causes a abnormalcontraction or worse. Too much of a calcium intake is also a big problem inthe absence of magnesium since it is stored in the body in the form of calciumdeposits.Take this test to see if you may be severely mag deficient.http://www.thewayup.com/newsletters/081501.htm--- susbarb1@... wrote:> Did not help heart palps> Also gave me lots of gas.> Mag is a good stool softener, but not help> peristalsis. Maybe I need to give> it a few weeks.> > __________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

So much excellent information on magneseum.

I took the on line test and of course it came out that I was Mag deficient. I printed out the entire article from The Way Up. I have no doubt from my symptoms I read that I am mag deficient. Esp the hypersensitivity to light and sound-easily startled.

The mag I am taking now is made by Country Life and is sourced from mag oxide, aspartate, citrate, alpha-ketoglutarate,and taurinate.My guess is that most of it is mag oxide from to order on label.

I must be absorbing some of it because it is giving me malodorous (sorry to be so descriptive) gas and making stools very soft.

I was up to 1500 mg per day. I am backing down to 600.

I do not take calcium supplements. I think calcium supps are a big hype anyway. I recently had a blood test for Vitamin D and my levels were non existant-I now take 500 mg Vitamin d3 daily.

Should I be supplementing potassium and calcium to balance the magnesium?

[Guest guest]

Some hypothyroid people might have serum blood tests that indicate high

magnesium levels. This is misleading. The body in stressful situations

(physical or emotional) will flood the blood with magnesium to try to calm the

body and buffer adrenaline reaction. In undertreated thyroid disease this is

the case, as it was with me. I was suffering extreme hypothyroid symptoms

until my chiro said that I might be mag deficient. He gave me Mag Glycinate

and I took 400mg and drank my usual load of water to battle the dehydration I

had been plagued with. This time the water filled my cells, my sagging facial

skin plumped up and my muscles filled up. It was amazing and kinda of scary

actually.

Although my serum mag was fine I mega dosed because of the reaction my body

had. I had the GI tract upset initially but it went away as I backed off and

slowly ramped up. I did this for 3 months, I became a connoisseur of magnesium

pills and solutions. My body could tell the moment I ran out of magnesium;

Chest pains and palpitations, muscle weakness, dehydration. Certain types of

magnesium I could barely feel. I convinced myself I had a condition called

`Magnesium wasting'. It goes in and right out in the urine in these people.

BUT then I started to find references like this.

http://askwaltstollmd.com/archives/mg/259717.html#259882

I had taken approximately 1200mg a day for 3 months by then so I had a doctor

give me a EXATEST since I had heard it was more accurate then the serum

testing. It showed I was STILL deficient at the cellular level. I had him

give me 3 IV's over 2 weeks of 2500mg each. It just felt like warmth spreading

through me and gave me a profound calmness. BINGO! My mag problem was solved.

I still supplement but I skip days and have added pumpkins seeds and many more

green leafies. The magnesium stays in now so I have balanced it with calcium

so as not to create an imbalance. although I have upped it while on iodine as

per brownsteins suggestion. My sleep problems have cleared up, dehydration,

skin, even my behavior has changed with proper levels of magnesium. I must

have been deficient for years and years.

Those with kidney disease should not megadose magnesium since excess is pee'd

out and may stress the diseased kidneys. Mag IV's can cause a very rare

situation called hypomagnesia...too much mag in the blood. This excess will be

pee'd out shortly and the situation is cured immediately with a few calcium

tablets. They give mag IV's to pregnant women during labor for a condition

called preclamsia, since it will not hurt the mother or the baby. The protocol

for EMS here in L.A. is to give stroke victims mag IV's immediately to halt

brain damage. It is nothing to be afraid of IMO. My recommendation is to take

excipent free magnesium glycinate capsule (if you want to start with primo

stuff) and to drink a magnesium drink called `natural calm' (raspberry is the

best). Pumpkin seeds and epsom salt baths. Add up the amount of calcium you

take since it is everything in large amounts...excess calcium causes mag

deficiency. 1000mg is the RDA for calcium and even the dairy industry says

that 2500mg is the upper limit.

--- Karin Deutschler <kdeutschler@...> wrote:

> , did you require some sort of testing prior to getting the magnesium

> IV?

> I have an appointment later this month with my alternative MD and I remember

> her saying once before that you have to be very cautious getting magnesium

> IV.s I am pretty sure I am extremely deficient after years of stress

> resulting from

> burning the candle at both ends, and my responses to the quiz you sent the

> link on.

> Karin

>

>

>

> Re: Magnesium

>

>

> It depends on the type of magnesium you took for one thing. For example,

> Magnesium Oxide is about 10% absorbable, the rest runs right through.

> Magnesium Glycinate capsules seem to be some of the most absorbable

> although

> starting slow is important; 100-200mg to begin. Once you have reached a

> level

> of deficiency it is hard to absorb orally because of the loss other

> minerals

> like b6 and zinc. Bypassing the GI tract is the only way to quickly get

> your

> levels up. You could soak in epsom salt baths (mag sulphate) or use

> magnesium

> gel or oils on your skin. You might want to try eating a couple ounces of

> shelled pumpkin seeds a day for a while (80% of the RDA) to see if you can

> tolerate it. The most efficient way to get your tissue levels up are with

> mag

> IV's. I was able to stop my beta-blockers immediately after my IV's.

> Magnesium is natures calcium channel blocker. Calcium contracts the heart

> and

> mag causes the relaxation phase...an absence of mag causes a abnormal

> contraction or worse. Too much of a calcium intake is also a big problem

> in

> the absence of magnesium since it is stored in the body in the form of

> calcium

> deposits.

>

> Take this test to see if you may be severely mag deficient.

>

> http://www.thewayup.com/newsletters/081501.htm

>

> --- susbarb1@... wrote:

>

> > Did not help heart palps

> > Also gave me lots of gas.

> > Mag is a good stool softener, but not help

> > peristalsis. Maybe I need to give

> > it a few weeks.

> >

> >

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

You're gastric distress actually indicates that you are not absorbing it. You

body is dumping it. Milk of magnesia is mag but very high levels; I think a

dose is something like 2700 mg. Your dose of 1500mg is alot. I maxed out at

1200mg; coincidentally the amount Brownstein suggests. Since you are deficient

in magnesium it seems, supplementing additional calcium is not good. Calcium

in the absense of Magnesium is stored in deposits throughout the body. We are

talking calcification of soft tissue...breasts, joints, kidney stones, etc.

For the last 15 years my chest X-rays have shown calcium deposits on my lungs

and a prematurely calcified sternum. Doctors said it was all very odd but

nothing to worry about. After I had the IV's and had been on magnesium for

several months I had another chest X-ray and my calcium deposits are gone! My

sternum is still calcified but I am now the age that it begins to happen

naturally...but this is the way I was 15 years ago! I also had large bumps of

calcium under my tongue; bony knobs on the floor of the mouth. These are now

diminished in size. Your body needs magnesium to absorb calcium properly and

prevent conditions like osteoporosis and calcified tissue, especially of the

heart.

I believe I am at a point my calcium deposits have been utilized and it is time

to make sure I get an adequate supply of calcium in my diet. As for

potassium, I drink a 2 or 3 glasses of s low sodium tomato juice. That

brand has the highest level of potassium I can find 925mg. I also eat a couple

of bananas a day...450mg each. So the Magnesium helped the palpitations and

now the potassium has made my heartbeat unnoticable to me...I guess you can say

it quieted my strong heartbeat.

If you read the symptoms of post tramatic stress disorder they are mostly the

same as magnesium deficiency. I believe that the stress of war has these guys

coming back mag depleted. Not at all to say that they are not mentally

suffering from the horror of war but that stress has the body dumping the mag

into the blood until the tissues are depleted...then the quirky cycle of

difficulty in absorbing starts. They suffer difficulty sleeping, depression,

jumping at loud sounds, headaches, etc.

BTW, I have never bought anything at that website. I only posted it for the

test. I use to pop the mag pills throughout the day, never tried a sustained

release. Glycinate capsules are highly absorbable and absolutely the most

absorbable to my body.

--- susbarb1@... wrote:

> So much excellent information on magneseum.

> I took the on line test and of course it came out that I was Mag deficient. I

>

> printed out the entire article from The Way Up. I have no doubt from my

> symptoms I read that I am mag deficient. Esp the hypersensitivity to light

> and

> sound-easily startled.

> The mag I am taking now is made by Country Life and is sourced from mag

> oxide, aspartate, citrate, alpha-ketoglutarate,and taurinate.My guess is that

> most

> of it is mag oxide from to order on label.

> I must be absorbing some of it because it is giving me malodorous (sorry to

> be so descriptive) gas and making stools very soft.

> I was up to 1500 mg per day. I am backing down to 600.

> I do not take calcium supplements. I think calcium supps are a big hype

> anyway. I recently had a blood test for Vitamin D and my levels were non

> existant-I

> now take 500 mg Vitamin d3 daily.

> Should I be supplementing potassium and calcium to balance the magnesium?

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hey, , any opinion on ZMA? I tried it once, but didn't notice anything.-- prrZoe & <ZOEA@...> wrote: , I have very much enjoyed your posts on magnesium, a mineral I know little about but that seems to be interactive with iodine. Do you have a PDF copy of the article you mention (or one that you think is better) that we could post? Since magnesium seems to be so important re iodine (and so strongly recommended by Abraham as a co-factor with iodine supplementation), I would like to really develop our magnesium resources. Calcium, magnesium, and zinc status in experimental hypothyroidism. Simsek G, Andican G, Karakoc Y, Yigit G, Hatemi H, Candan G., 1997. Turkey. Abstract. "In this study, experimental hypothyroidism was established and used to investigate possible alterations in the calcium, magnesium, and zinc homeostasis by assessing their concentration in plasma and erythrocytes. Hypothyroidism was induced by administration of methimazole an iodine blocker at a dose of 75 mg/100 g food for 3 wk. In the methimazole-induced hypothyroid state, the experimental animals showed a significant decrease in plasma zinc concentration, whereas a significant increase in plasma magnesium concentration occurred. No change was observed in plasma

calcium concentration. The erythrocyte zinc and calcium concentrations were found to be increased, whereas magnesium concentration decreased. Erythrocyte magnesium concentration showed a significant positive correlation with T4 values. The study provides evidence for marked alterations in homeostatis of zinc, magnesium, and calcium." http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=9494058 & dopt=Abstract The abstract says that plasma magnesium increased but erythrocyte magnesium decreased. "Erythrocyte" means red blood cell. So, this would mean the magnesium in the watery part of

the blood increased while it decreased in the red blood cells. When they test for serum (blood) magnesium levels, do they only test the plasma and not the red blood cells? What magnesium tests do you recommend? Are there any inexpensive ones? Any inexpensive ones we can do without a doctor's prescription? Are the levels in the red blood cells (erythrocytes) a good indicator of the levels in body cells? Do you know exactly how "hypothyroid" conditions affect magnesium levels? Is the TSH affecting this? The T4? Why does it result in "magnesium wasting"? Also, I'm not clear from your discussion whether the

decreased magnesium causes the hypo or whether the hypo causes decreased magnesium, or is it something else altogether. Thanks for acting as our resident magnesium expert. Zoe I think I have mentioned before that ALL of my hypothyroid symptoms that I haveexperienced have been because I was extremely magnesium deficient. Look at thelist of hypo symptoms and magnesium deficiency symptoms...they are the same. Hypothyroidism causes magnesium wasting. Cure the magnesium deficiency and

mostof the symptoms go away. I have been as high as 6.7 TSH and felt the same aswhen I was 1.6 TSH. Magnesium does not cure the thyroid problem; the antibodiescontinue to go up, the minerals still flow out of the body if undertreated.This study is just one example of how magnesium deficiency gets misinterpretedas it relates to hypothyroidism. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=9494058 & dopt=AbstractThere are dozens of studies like this one that show serum magnesium levelsbeing elevated in hypothyroid individuals. Doctors see the mag serum testresults and out of ignorance tell the patient to beware of magnesium...andcertainly would never recommend it. The

study above clearly shows theerthrocyte level (intercellular levels) are being depleted as serum levelssoar. Magnesium is being pushed out of the tissues to the blood at an alarmingrate in hypothyroid individuals. Magnesium is nature's tranquilizer and thetissues give it up readily under stress... mental or physical. The problem isthat the tissues become depleted, then the `hypothyroid' symptoms begin. Sleepdisturbances, weight gain, vision problems, depression, panic disorders, etc. Then magnesium deficiency causes potassium to become depleted so the wholesodium/potassium water pump (called active transport) is not effectivelyfilling the cells with water resulting in dehydration; which has it own set ofsymptoms. As for my energy levels and being able to workout with a TSH of 6.7. I benchpressed 315 last week. Hypothyroid fatigue is a result of the magnesiumdeficiency. Magnesium plays a critical role in the production andstabilization of ATP. ATP supplies the energy for physical activity. Magnesium activates almost all the enzymes of glycolytic and the tricarboxylicacid (TCA) cycle, which transform fats and sugars into useable energy. I haveresearched this for hundreds of hours; taken a dozen or so different types ofmagnesium pills, capsules, liquids, topicals. I've had IV's of magnesium. I've been in contact with Dr. Rude, one of the world leading researcherswho recommended an Endo who had been involved with his magnesium research atUSC Keck school of medicine here in L.A. Who is now my doctor (one of them). Iknow I have my magnesium situation under control with regular supplementingwith a highly absorbable magnesium; so much so that I am suprised when my TSHis very high since I feel no difference. The only clue I have is that I startlooking haggard because of the dehydration (and my body water scale tells mealso).

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Can anyone get this article for us??? Thanks. Zoe

Calcium, magnesium, and zinc status in experimental hypothyroidism. Simsek G, Andican G, Karakoc Y, Yigit G, Hatemi H, Candan G., 1997. Turkey. Abstract. "In this study, experimental hypothyroidism was established and used to investigate possible alterations in the calcium, magnesium, and zinc homeostasis by assessing their concentration in plasma and erythrocytes. Hypothyroidism was induced by administration of methimazole an iodine blocker at a dose of 75 mg/100 g food for 3 wk. In the methimazole-induced hypothyroid state, the experimental animals showed a significant decrease in plasma zinc concentration, whereas a significant increase in plasma magnesium concentration occurred. No change was observed in plasma calcium concentration. The erythrocyte zinc and calcium concentrations were found to be increased, whereas magnesium concentration decreased. Erythrocyte magnesium concentration showed a significant positive correlation with T4 values. The study provides evidence for marked alterations in homeostatis of zinc, magnesium, and calcium." http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=9494058 & dopt=Abstract