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kirstie,

hi, glad you are here and congratulations to you and your sisters for taking

such a strong stance against something that, as you noted, is soooo hard for

people to hear. hope you will find lots more good info here--you are not

alone in your choices--AP, extended breastfeeding, more natural, orgaince

food choices, etc. welcome to the list!!!!

brigit

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In a message dated 10/26/00 8:33:20 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

klyons@... writes:

<< only gives

my son breastmilk (yes, I still am!) >>

welcome to the list!

I am still bfing at almost 21m and still going strong.Hope this list can

connect you with people like your self in your area.

Sara

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In a message dated 10/26/00 6:21:14 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

sandym@... writes:

<< I

breastfed my first son until he was four years old, and my second, until he

was six! >>

Bravo!

I hope we go for a long time too.I can just imagine the stares I will get on

the way to Turkey next spring while nursing my 2+ year old!!!!! SO WHAT!

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/26/2000 8:33:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

klyons@... writes:

<< Kirstie >>

Your story sounds like mine. Big sisters first born had a bad reaction and

is not the same kid. Middle sister first born had his first round of shots

and was hospitalized. Neither sister vaxed their second children. I don't

know if this is a family history but I was not about to take a chance. When I

told my ped this she though I was ridiculous and kicked me out of her

practice. I know what I am doing is right, but I am so glad to have some

family support and most of all this group which keeps educating me and

confirming my believes.

[Guest guest]

Hi everybody! If you want encouragement for breastfeeding, just ask me. I

breastfed my first son until he was four years old, and my second, until he

was six! Did it in public until he was three. Don't let anyone discourage

you. (It was so long ago, now, that even I am amazed.) Sandy

[Guest guest]

My husband is considered stage 1. I know how bad he feels sometimes

(lethargic, exhausted, etc.). I can't imagine how you folks who are in

stages 3 and 4 must feel.

Welcome, Gloria.

Tree

[Guest guest]

You are very lucky, you have an exceptional

Doctor. If I were you I would start the Cytomel right

away. Why WOULDN'T you? You should feel different in a

couples short weeks, not like a month or months with T4

medication. The damage you do to your body by NOT taking it,

FAR exceeds if you take it and don't really need it.

<br><br>Be grateful, take it, and let us know how you feel

about it in a month from now. <br><br>As for emails- I

THINK if you open your profile you can edit your

settings in there.<br><br>Good luck. <br>Bev

[Guest guest]

Email: go to messages for the club you want email from and on the top is a

'click here to receive email' link.

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joanna,

welcome to the group and congratulations on your pregnancy!! i applaud you for looking into this matter before you are faced with it and a newborn at the same time (it's very hard to make important decisions when there are sooo many new and confusing things to learn/do with a first baby!!)

don't worry, the more comfortable you get with not vaxing, the less you'll feel you need to shield your baby from every little thing (i hope) ;o)

hope you learn alot!!

brigit, in albany

[Guest guest]

Welcome, Joanna! And congrats on your pregnancy - I'm sure you will find

this list informative AND reassuring; there are over 500!!! of us here

questioning vaxes, and lots of us have unvaxed kiddos who are wonderfully

healthy & strong. Where are you from and when is your due date? (if you

don't mind my asking!)

Namaste, Gretchen

from Lexington, KY

Mama to Maya (5), Rhythm Joy (2), and Isabel (3mos)

On Sat, 27 Jan 2001 01:08:19 -0000 SilvrScorpion@... writes:

> Hello Everyone,

>

> I'm very grateful to have stumbled into this group. I have no

> stories to tell yet as I am 7 months pregnant with my first child.

> But thanks to my wonderful Mother, I became aware of the dangers of

> vaccinations about 2 months ago and have been reading and

> researching

> like crazy every since. I have a strong belief in God and have

> prayed about what to do. I came to the conclusion about a month ago

>

> now not to vaccinate my son and I feel at peace with my decision.

>

> I am, however, feeling scared about the future. I've never been the

>

> overprotective type but I feel like I'll be afraid to even take my

> son out of the house. I plan to breastfeed and have vowed never to

> let my baby see the inside of a daycare center. I'm sure I'm being

> paranoid because I'm going to be a new mom but I would really

> appreciate any feedback concerning my fears.

>

> Glad to be here,

>

> Joanna

>

>

>

>

Namaste, Gretchen

from Lexington, KY

Mama to Maya (5), Rhythm Joy (2), and Isabel (3 mos)

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Welcome Joanna! Correct me if I'm wrong out there, but breastfeeding will

protect your baby from many things, and at a certain point you want your

child to be exposed to the environment in order to develop a strong immune

system. For what it's worth, I nursed my first child until he was four and

the second until he was six. They both started preschool at least part-time

when they were three. And it was before there were so many vaccines. My

kids hardly ever got sick and when they did they always got well quite

quickly. I know you can't generalize from one person's experience to

another, but I was as paranoid as anyone but learned from experience that

your children don't become strong by protecting them too much. Of course

it's a balancing act deciding when to do what and each parent has to decide

for him or herself (and hopefully they can agree....). Good luck! Sandy

from Alaska

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WHETHER OR NOT TO VACCINATE IS AN IMPORTANT AND COMPLEX ISSUE AND SHOULD BE

MADE BY YOU, AND YOU ALONE, IN CONSULTATION WITH YOUR HEALTH CARE PROVIDER.

New to the Group

> Hello Everyone,

>

> I'm very grateful to have stumbled into this group. I have no

> stories to tell yet as I am 7 months pregnant with my first child.

> But thanks to my wonderful Mother, I became aware of the dangers of

> vaccinations about 2 months ago and have been reading and researching

> like crazy every since. I have a strong belief in God and have

> prayed about what to do. I came to the conclusion about a month ago

> now not to vaccinate my son and I feel at peace with my decision.

>

> I am, however, feeling scared about the future. I've never been the

> overprotective type but I feel like I'll be afraid to even take my

> son out of the house. I plan to breastfeed and have vowed never to

> let my baby see the inside of a daycare center. I'm sure I'm being

> paranoid because I'm going to be a new mom but I would really

> appreciate any feedback concerning my fears.

>

> Glad to be here,

>

> Joanna

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Joanna...I personally believe that your decision not to vaccinate is

wonderful. The more you read and investigate the issue, the more comfortable

you will become with that decision. My son is 21 months old (first baby

also) and I felt the same way that you describe. I didn't take him out for

the first 2 -3 months, and then I realized that if I ever wanted him to

build any immunities, he had to be exposed to SOMETHING. So, I started

taking him out slowly here and there, and just keeping him away from anyone

questionable until he was about 6 -7 months old. Then I started letting him

be around people with colds, etc, and much to my surprise, he rarely caught

anything anyway. I also am breastfeeding, and he doesn't (and won't) go to

daycare (I am lucky enough to be able to stay at home and still pay the

bills), so those are two factors in his favor. Anyway, welcome...you sound

like you will be a great mom...

Sharon, Quakertown PA

New to the Group

> Hello Everyone,

>

> I'm very grateful to have stumbled into this group. I have no

> stories to tell yet as I am 7 months pregnant with my first child.

> But thanks to my wonderful Mother, I became aware of the dangers of

> vaccinations about 2 months ago and have been reading and researching

> like crazy every since. I have a strong belief in God and have

> prayed about what to do. I came to the conclusion about a month ago

> now not to vaccinate my son and I feel at peace with my decision.

>

> I am, however, feeling scared about the future. I've never been the

> overprotective type but I feel like I'll be afraid to even take my

> son out of the house. I plan to breastfeed and have vowed never to

> let my baby see the inside of a daycare center. I'm sure I'm being

> paranoid because I'm going to be a new mom but I would really

> appreciate any feedback concerning my fears.

>

> Glad to be here,

>

> Joanna

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you so much. I'm so happy to be part of this group!

[Guest guest]

Hi!

I'm from ton, SC and I'm due April 2nd!

Joanna

[Guest guest]

--- SilvrScorpion@... wrote:

> I've never been the

> overprotective type but I feel like I'll be afraid

> to even take my

> son out of the house.

Hi Joanna,

I also became aware of the vaccine issue when I was

pregnant, and in the learning process I went through

periods where I was also scared - not only scared of

the vaccines and what I was learning about them, but

of all those big, bad, hairy bugs out there waiting to

pounce on my tender baby if he wasn't " protected " by

vaccines (brainwashing is hard to shake off). As I've

gained knowledge about immunity and ways to keep a

healthy immune system, I've gained faith in our

inherent ability to ward off disease if our immune

system is allowed to stay intact, and also have a

different perspective on disease. I've come to

believe that vaccines are in most cases destructive to

the body, even if no immediate adverse effects are

noticed, I believe long-term health is compromised.

It's a long road from the allopathic medical world

that most of us grow up conditioned to accept to a

more holistic view of health and disease, but as you

continue to study you'll gain confidence.

I think it's natural for a mother to want to keep her

new baby somewhat isolated, and if you feel that way,

then by all means do so. I did, when my son was tiny,

but as he grew (he's 16 months now) we gradually let

him be more " in the world " , so to speak, and we don't

live in fear of him falling victim to some wicked

virus. He's totally unvaccinated.

Aubin

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Hi ,

You were on the chat the other night? Glad you made it to the group. you'll

see how friendly, knowledgable, interesting and willing to share this group

is. again, welcome!

~ Mom to 10 1/2 Ds and 6

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HI Kelley, Welcome

I met you in Chat last week Heehee I was the one acting as host until the Reg

host got there Heehee I hope you enjoy this group as much as I do

Kathy mom to Sara 9

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Hi kelly

and welcome, This group is great esp for a newer momma like me..

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Welcome to the group, Kelley. I know that you will enjoy it here. I have a

17 year old daughter (ADD/depression) and an almost 15 year old son

with DS. He loves swimming and basketball and pizza. He also loves

girls in bikinis:))

Elaine

NEW TO THE GROUP

> HI EVERYONE! MY NAME IS KELLEY I'M 26 YEARS OLD AND THE MOTHER OF 2 BOYS

> JORDAN 5 1/2 AND ALEX 3 1/2. ALEX HAS DOWN SYNDROME. HE ALSO HAD OPEN

> HEART SURGERY AT 5 MONTHS OLD. 4 DAYS AFTER HIS SURGERY, HE HAD TO HAVE A

> PACEMAKER PLACED. HE IS DOING WONDERFUL NOW. HE GOES TO PRE-SCHOOL 4

DAYS A

> WEEK AND IS SO SO SO HAPPY! I WOULD LOVE TO SHARE MY STORIES WITH ALL OF

YOU

> AND WOULD LOVE TO HEAR ALL OF YOUR STORIES. HOW LUCKY ARE WE? TO HAVE

THESE

> SPECIAL CHILDREN. I HONESTLY THINK WE WERE SPECIFICALLY CHOSEN TO BE

PARENTS

> TO THEM. I KNOW ALEX MAKES ME SMILE EVERYDAY! LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING

FROM

> ALL OF YOU.

>

> KELLEY

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Also they need the shots for admission to school...so therefore there is no

need for the shots! You may also consider the medical,philosophical,or

religious exemptions(whatever is used in your state) just in case...stay

away from the docs unless necessary(you can measure and weigh at home!)

Find a homeopath for illness and also consider chiropractor to keep immune

system finctioning. I am married to a doc and we never go! Ok, I asked him

to check son'e ears and he has listened to another son's lungs. And we have

used emergency room when another son swallowed firniture polish and

gasoline(separate days...he gets around! LOL ) Check into supplements as

our food is depleted nutritionally . Also, organic foods and and

alternatives to toxic household cleaners. So much to learn! DOn't

despair...a little progress at a time is better than no progress!

I am not a medical doctor,

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.. I am

concerned about the effects vacs can have on our children and I guess

I just need all of you to validate my feelings. . He has

already been exposed to so much and been through so much I don't want

to further jeopardize his health. I am homeschooling so I won't have

to deal with the school system much, but what do I say to their drs?

Any advice/comments would be a great blessing.

Thank you in advance,

Ami

[Guest guest]

angelo,

i have good news for you and your mom! a positive result on the standard hiv tests does not mean anything. it especially does not mean that your mom has the 'supposed' hiv virus.

if hiv exists at all, those tests can not detect it's presence. the manufacturers of the tests state this plainly. do not fall into the trap.

my advice to you and your mom: burn the test results from your mind and pretend it never happened. also, check out www.virusmyth and www.aidsmyth.

a quick study will ease your mind.

god bless

>From: "Angelo Xavior"

>Reply-cures for AIDS

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>Subject: NEW TO THE GROUP

>Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:28:57 -0000

>

>

>I took my mother for her test results and 7-11-01 was found pos. Me

>being her only child don't really know what to do or who to turn to.

>I'm on a emotional rollar coaster. I'm feeling numb and shocked and

>mad. I thought I'd join a support group to educate myself better

>about HIV. I would like to know if the medicines they have now a days

>really work. What are some of the symtoms and how to relieve them. My

>mother doesn't have access to a pc so I'm doing it for her.

>

>Any information would be grateful

>

>dazed n confused

>

>Angelo

>

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angelo

keep mom off them drugs as long as possible.

really take some time to do some thinking and researching, b4 injesting

anything as toxic as hiv drugs.

i came up poz 1 year ago. my viral load was at 10,000 and my t's were at

800. i had just suffered from a bout of shingles (ya know chicken pox all

grown up). i freaked out and figred aids was just around the corner.

started on a haart program. bad choice. after 6 mos of the drugs i felt as

if i was gonna die, literally, was dropping weight, nightmares, muscle

cramps, no strength. and had absoloutely no quality of life. i quit the

drugs feb 14th.

so far so good last check t's were at 850 and viral load undetectable.

since then i have regained my weight, have lots of energy, and feel alive,

even playing hockey again. also have spent huge amounts of time on the web,

and in books researching, since then. in my humble yet uneducated opinion

i'm siding with the dissidents. my body knows best if it is sick or not,

i'll listen to it from now on.

my blood tests no longer matter to me as they are apparently flawed. if no

one has isolated a virus then what exactly are we measuring here???? this

group seems to be pretty good as far as dispersing info, but your mom's doc

will undoubtedly disagree with the philosophy contained here.

check out every possible avenue, and line of thought b4 making any quick

judgements. find out other contributing lifestyle choices that could be

leading to disease. drugs, bad diet, stress, heredity, smoking, so on and

so forth.

if you hav'nt already check out aliveandwell.org or the link to peter

duesberg's site " rethinking aids " crucial stuff and a good start.

best

nate butler

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[Guest guest]

hey angelo

what exactly are mom's symptoms? ie: why did she get a hiv test in the

first place?

i tend to agree with other members of the group. forget the test results.

stress can lead to all kinds of awful crap physically, so why ad to the

amount of stress you have to endure by constantly worrying about numbers

that really don't mean much. better to focus on mom's well being and

overall health.

there are many people out there who have been living with a hiv positive

diagnosis for almost 20 years without meds (darn near as long as the aids

epidemic has been in existance) i know 1 personally.

if you really want to get an eye opener, run " aids conspiracy " through

google and see the myriad of points of veiw that come up.

best wishes

nate butler

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Sounds exciting, when will LEM PLUS be available in Australia?

Robyn

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