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LOL, talk about plateaus! I bounced between 164 and 159 for 4 months

but in the last 2 weeks I have dropped from 164 to 149 pounds and I

havn't done one thing differently - EXCEPT relax and stop obsessing

about the scales! I remember whining and crying about being a slow

looser and here I am now one year out, and praying for it to STOP

soon!!! I don't diet, in fact I adore Little Debbies snack cakes

frozen - if I gave up those and my daily candy bar I would probably

have reached this point long ago, but my body is adjusting well, my

skin is tightening up great and I am just thrilled!

I do still make sure to eat that protein, drink my water, walk when I

can, and just enjoy life to the fullest!

Cindee

Hanford

DS date 10/15/02

238 lbs preop

goal 165 lbs

todays weight 149!

Met and surpassed my goal and wondering when it will stop!

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> Vicki! Your weight loss is GREAT! Don't change a thing -- except -

- RELAX!

> You don't need to diet...let the weight loss come as it will...just

sip, sip,

> sip, walk, walk, walk, and do as much protein as you can!

>

> Hugs and blessings, Ann

> (who is laughing at ALL of US who are slaves to the scale, and the

idea of

> numbers)

>

>

>

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Whooo Hooo!!!!!!!!! Go Princess #1~~~~~~~~~

Cinda :)

> LOL, talk about plateaus! I bounced between 164 and 159 for 4

months

> but in the last 2 weeks I have dropped from 164 to 149 pounds and I

> havn't done one thing differently - EXCEPT relax and stop obsessing

> about the scales! I remember whining and crying about being a slow

> looser and here I am now one year out, and praying for it to STOP

> soon!!! I don't diet, in fact I adore Little Debbies snack cakes

> frozen - if I gave up those and my daily candy bar I would probably

> have reached this point long ago, but my body is adjusting well, my

> skin is tightening up great and I am just thrilled!

>

> I do still make sure to eat that protein, drink my water, walk when

I

> can, and just enjoy life to the fullest!

>

> Cindee

> Hanford

> DS date 10/15/02

> 238 lbs preop

> goal 165 lbs

> todays weight 149!

> Met and surpassed my goal and wondering when it will stop!

>

>

>

> **************************************************************

> > Vicki! Your weight loss is GREAT! Don't change a thing --

except -

> - RELAX!

> > You don't need to diet...let the weight loss come as it

will...just

> sip, sip,

> > sip, walk, walk, walk, and do as much protein as you can!

> >

> > Hugs and blessings, Ann

> > (who is laughing at ALL of US who are slaves to the scale, and

the

> idea of

> > numbers)

> >

> >

> >

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Welcome Barbara and congrats on losing so much and maintaining that :)

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I just joined today as before in February 2002 when I started my diet I had 102 and 1/2 lbs to lose. I am now looking to lose 35-40 lbs. I had already lost 65 lbs and now am maintaining a 60 lb. loss.BarbaraTo unsubscribe DO NOT send a message to the list.Please click on this link and unsubscribe:100-plus/join

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Pete, the issue of weight loss is directly related to the ability to eat, rather than whether or not you have achalasia. We don't lose weight because of the disease, we lose weight because we can't eat.

If you can get some sort of treatment so that you can eat again, the weight loss will end. If you don't get treatment that allows you to eat, you'll continue to lose weight. And having achalasia does not mean you'll never be overweight... in fact, after years of not eating, when people have surgery they usually gain weight quite quickly because they want to eat all the things they haven't been able to eat for so very long!

Debbi

I am still a little new to this. So I have a question.I recently acquired Achalasia. I have loss about 12 pounds over the last couple of months.I am still losing slowly, but consistantly. Many said they wish they had my problem so they could lose weight. I don't mind the weight loss, I could lose another 10 or so. Maybe this condition can be seen as a benefit. I'll never over eat, and i'll probably never be over weight.But does the weight loss continue or does it tail off?

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Pete,

I was 19 when I had surgery. I was never heavy but I lost a lot of weight. I stopped getting on the scale at 113 because it depressed me. I imagine my weight would have stablized somewhere. Today, post surgery (and middle aged) I'm a comfortable 165.

(in Honolulu)

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I am still a little new to this. So I have a question.I recently acquired Achalasia. I have loss about 12 pounds over the last couple of months.I am still losing slowly, but consistantly. Many said they wish they had my problem so they could lose weight. I don't mind the weight loss, I could lose another 10 or so. Maybe this condition can be seen as a benefit. I'll never over eat, and i'll probably never be over weight.But does the weight loss continue or does it tail off?

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Pete,

People say that " they wish they had that problem " to me too. I am

normally only 115-120 lbs. though. I am now 105...don't think it's

going down anymore because there's nothing there to lose. I would

get your medical attention right away, before you can't keep meal

replacements down and your cheek bones and spine are so noticeable

(as in my case. =) Happy to hear you were diagnosed so quickly.

That will save you some grief.

> Pete,

>

> I was 19 when I had surgery. I was never heavy but I lost a lot of

weight. I stopped getting on the scale at 113 because it depressed

me. I imagine my weight would have stablized somewhere. Today,

post surgery (and middle aged) I'm a comfortable 165.

>

>

> (in Honolulu)

> weight loss

>

>

> I am still a little new to this. So I have a question.

>

> I recently acquired Achalasia. I have loss about 12 pounds over

the

> last couple of months.

>

> I am still losing slowly, but consistantly. Many said they wish

they

> had my problem so they could lose weight. I don't mind the weight

> loss, I could lose another 10 or so. Maybe this condition can be

seen

> as a benefit. I'll never over eat, and i'll probably never be

over

> weight.

>

> But does the weight loss continue or does it tail off?

>

>

>

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I have the same problem. . I reduced my calorie intake and, since my operation,

increased (from nothing) my aerobic activity, and didn't lose a pound (over 2

months). People keep saying it's because I'm 62. But only 3 years ago I

weighed 130. I feel like in order to lose weight I would either have to work

out like an athlete every day or not eat anything, and I'm not sure I'd lose

weight the latter way anyway. (Just kidding -- there MUST be some way. One

thing I've noticed is that all those miracle diets that are taking up a lot of

TV time nowadays require exercise. So if a person went on the diet and didn't

exercise, would they lose weight? Or if a person just exercised and didn't go

on the diet, wouldn't they lose weight?)

Ann

Weight Loss

This got E-mailed to me by accident.

- Doug

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hi sophie, i think are you the one who lost a lot of weight?????

I think that is just great...my question is how how did you lose

that much weight. I cannot seem to lose even 5 pounds and since

I've had knee problems and surgery I cant run or even walk fast

enough to get the weight off. I swim at lease 30 minutes a day and

do leg lifts and other things. but to no avail. please help Ive

also cut down on my eating. I think I am stuck. help Lin

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Hi Patty,

You have been added to the post/op board by mistake and should be on the

pre/op board.

You will get a lot more info and help on the pre/op board.

However I am a short person at 5'2 " tall but needed to lose a lot more then

60 pounds.

Join us in the chat room some evening as well.

Good Luck to you KJ

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>Reply-

>

>Subject: Weight Loss

>Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 16:14:40 -0000

>

>Hi, I am just learning about MGB and this group. I have spoken with

>, who is out of High Point, NC. and plan on attending the next

>meeting on Monday at the center at High Point Regional. I do not

>have the beginning weight as most of the recepients of this surgery

>(as far as I can tell from postings), but I am very short,

>overweight and experiencing health problems. I would like to hear

>from ANYONE who has to lose only 60+ pounds to begin with. Are you

>out there and will you share your story with me?

>

>I want to say that since joining this group and receiving emails, I

>have come to admire the honesty and strenght of those who made this

>life altering decision. Everyone seems to be dedicated to this type

>of procedure as well. I hope that I will be a candidate for this

>procedure and have started the process.

>

>Patty Combs

>

>

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Upscale. Uplifting. Upbeat.

Thank you.

At 01:52 PM 9/28/2004, you wrote:

>I don't understand are you asking for people who want to lose weight or

>advise from people who have lost weight. I am a personal trainer, I help

>people attain their fitness goals, I have many tools for changing weight.

>Immunics is one of them - the best one. The inner being of a person is

>the hardest part to work on regarding changing your body. This is done by

>each person setting their personal goals(what they ultimately want, a

>visual picture in their mind what they want to look like and what they

>want to be able to do) and my job as a trainer is to advise and set up

>programs based on individual goals to help them attain them, and sometimes

>babysit an exercise session and record it. The best program that works is

>one a person can do by themselves and will do. I am not certified at this

>time as it is not fesiable if I am not training anyone I am not liable for

>any harm.

>

>Immunics has helped my yoyo dieting and binging to keep me at a constant

>weight, I have damaged skin from gaining and losing weight, and I believe

>that the swelling around my kidney area is yeast and am removing this

>daily. This is why I am in the weight group, to keep me on track.

immunicsBuddies_Weight/?yguid=92583435

>Sounds like you have quite a few people who are helping you with this but

>if I can help in any way let me know.

>Blessings

>Moiselle

>

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>Is there any possibility that the Kombucha culture gets mutated when it is

continuously sub cultured.

-

Mutations refer to genetic accidents that happen from a fertilization

process.

KT gives no seed and its ALWAYS cultured from a previous culture, therefore

is always subcultured.

The " mutations " or changes that can occurr happen from bad conditions

whereby some of the yeasts or bacteria in the symbiotic cluture are damaged

or killed. Even then, there may be traces of the original left and a couple

of good conditon brews may restore the original vigor. As for weigh loss,

the KT regulates the body's metabolism so your appetite and caloric

requirements more closely match. Most KT drinkers over time have lowered

cravings for starches and sugars.

Ibn addition to this factor the KT itself appears to have a fat burning

component but I don't know what that is.

Rusty

Weight Loss

>

>

>

> Hi all,

>

> I am new to this community, and planning to start brewing KT as soon as i

get one culture. Is there any possibility that the Kombucha culture gets

mutated when it is continuously sub cultured???

>

> I wanted to know how Kombucha helps in weight loss.

>

> Thanks a lot.

>

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Jan is down about 60 pounds in the past four years. That's a lot with

her 4'8 " height. She likes how she looks and feels and is working to

stay there. You don't want to try her weight loss program, but the

outcome has been remarkable. She does regularly weigh herself and does

diet and exercise modification when the trend starts to go in the wrong

direction. Of course she does have to pedal her exercise bike in her

apartment to get sound from her TV ;-)

We walked a couple of miles yesterday with her jogging some of the

time. She looks and feels good. Tomorrow she goes back to her own

place after a check-up at the bone marrow transplant clinic.

Rick ... dad to Jan who turns 32 shortly

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The level of exercise that you have instilled in Jan is remarkable.... we

should all be as active

re: weight loss

>

> Jan is down about 60 pounds in the past four years. That's a lot with

> her 4'8 " height. She likes how she looks and feels and is working to

> stay there. You don't want to try her weight loss program, but the

> outcome has been remarkable. She does regularly weigh herself and does

> diet and exercise modification when the trend starts to go in the wrong

> direction. Of course she does have to pedal her exercise bike in her

> apartment to get sound from her TV ;-)

>

> We walked a couple of miles yesterday with her jogging some of the

> time. She looks and feels good. Tomorrow she goes back to her own

> place after a check-up at the bone marrow transplant clinic.

>

> Rick ... dad to Jan who turns 32 shortly

>

>

> Click reply to all for messages to go to the list. Just hit reply for

> messages to go to the sender of the message.

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> My husband has lymphoma and has and is loosing a lot of weight. I want

> to start him on the ozone saunas but am worried about him loosing any

> more weight. Has anyone any suggestions please.

>

> Thanks

>

> Jackie

Jackie, a whey powder (Immunocal) is a specific therapy in the

Physician's Desk Reference for weight loss due to AIDS or cachexia.

Use a sugar-free cold-processed whey for glutathione production, 120

grams daily in divided doses.

regards,

Duncan Crow

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In a message dated 5/20/2005 9:51:07 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, maryannanderic@... writes:

like an elephant next to her.UGH!!! Anyone else want to kill this woman?!! :) This message was onanother list I'm on. For gawd's sake she is 5'6" and 158 pounds and shewill look like an elephant?????? She really must die. Ann

ROTFL Ann this is something else. In her eyes she must see her self much larger than she is, I was like that all growing up always wore a coat, still do. I weighed 128 lbs when I was 12 and by the time I was in the 7th grade wore size 20 womans clothing, I have been at the low end which was fantastic, but now I am at the high end again plus three size clothing and my body is having difficulty navigating. This girl doesn't realize how fortunate she is. Brigit

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In a message dated 5/20/05 12:51:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, maryannanderic@... writes:

UGH!!! Anyone else want to kill this woman?!! :) This message was onanother list I'm on. For gawd's sake she is 5'6" and 158 pounds and shewill

The nerve. That is one thing at WW that sometimes bugs me. There are a few lifetimers and when asked how much did you lose to get there. 20 lbs. HA HA HA... BUT I have to remind myself that every lb is a challenge.

NH... Mom to Abby Liz 10/94 Anne 7/99

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> Hi guys,

>

> I know this subject has been discussed many times but I need some help. I

really need to lose some weight. I am 5'6 " and currently weigh 158 lbs. I

know I just had Ella 7 weeks ago but I feel like the weight is holding on

and will never leave. It's the heaviest I've ever been post pregnancy. I

joined Weight Watchers last week and this morning I went to my weigh in and

I didn't even lose 1 pound!! I was so discouraged, I started to cry :-(.

> In 3 months I will be the maid of honor in my sister's wedding. I really

want to shed some of this weight before then, but I know myself, it takes at

least 6 months to lose the baby fat. My sister is a size 2, so I will look

like an elephant next to her.

UGH!!! Anyone else want to kill this woman?!! :) This message was on

another list I'm on. For gawd's sake she is 5'6 " and 158 pounds and she

will look like an elephant?????? She really must die.

Ann

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Melinda

People loose differently. I have seen people post that they have lost 80-100 in

a six months and others ten.

I guess the point is that you are learning a totally different life and it takes

time. As long as the scale is heading down I wouldn't worry.

The fill you got may have made all the difference in the world.

Donna

Weight loss

Hello

I had my surgery on Dec. 23 04 since my surgery I have lost a total of

31 lbs is that slow? It seems like this has been a very slow

process. I went in for a fill yesterday and I think Im finally at

where I need to be. Im getting frustrated, maybe Im to hard on

myself. Any advice would be appreciated. If there are any good books

please let me know.

Thanks

Melinda

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In a message dated 5/20/2005 2:15:11 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,

sharkeymel@... writes:

I had my surgery on Dec. 23 04 since my surgery I have lost a total of

31 lbs is that slow?

Melinda, I had mine on Dec.18 04 and have lost 33, I was wondering the same

thing myself. If this is too slow, I'm just glad its heading down not up

though! Anne

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Melinbda, You're doing very well, not slow at all. The average weight

loss with the band is 1-2 # a week AFTER you get to a good fill

level. Sounds as if you haven't had a great fill level yet -

hopefully this new one will do the trick. If you've lost this well

even without a good fill, that is even better than most!

We all want to lose faster, but remember that it took us many years

to become so obese, and it will take many months and maybe several

years to lose it all safely.

Band loss is slow and healthy, and in a way that will help your

metabolism to normalize and give you time to work thru the many

lifestyle changes that are needed to be able to maintain the loss

later. Banding is not supposed to be a " quick fix " - but a permanent

fix, as long as you learn the things needed and make some permanent

changes.

Along with s good fill, we need to learn a lot about better food

choices, eating habits, and exercsie. These all are needed for good

band loss too. Let us know if you need suggestions in those areas.

Sandy R

> Hello

> I had my surgery on Dec. 23 04 since my surgery I have lost a total

of

> 31 lbs is that slow? It seems like this has been a very slow

> process. > Thanks

> Melinda

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Hi Ann,

I'm new here but already I can tell you have a sense of humour.

This was the first post I read and I was thinking, goodness...5'6 " ,

158lbs...and she feels fat!!!

Then I saw your comments at the end of the post...phew...for a

moment I thought I'd come to the wrong board (those needing to lose

100lbs or more - don't worry, I certainly qualify!!!!!).

In defense of Ms Elephant, though, I'm also 5'6 " and my long term

goal weight is 140lbs (or 64kg in Australian speak). Perhaps she

has never had much to lose before and the 18lbs seems daunting.

But...I digress...enough commiserating over the skinny one. I'm

here to rub shoulders and other fleshy bits with those with much to

lose.

I'm 46, married and have three sons (24,22 and 19)and work from home

as a medical typist (16 years now...and I still enjoy it for the

most part). You name the diet and I'm more than likely to have been

on it. Currently following a wholefoods approach, fresh foods,

veges, fruit, non-processed stuff, salads, beans, etc. Sounds good,

huh?

I was doing really well but then caught the 'flu and for the past

two and a half weeks have not been sticking with my plan. I weigh

in tomorrow (appointment with the scales in my bedroom!). I think

I've put on about 6lbs since I've been sick. But I need to accept

this and move ahead.

I hope to get to know you all better.

Cheers and best wishes,

ozgal (In Australia " Aussie " is pronounced " Ozzie " (hence the oz in

ozgal).

> UGH!!! Anyone else want to kill this woman?!! :) This message

was on

> another list I'm on. For gawd's sake she is 5'6 " and 158 pounds

and she

> will look like an elephant?????? She really must die.

>

> Ann

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> The previous port was ombasa, Kenya

> where I stood out like a sore thumb with my blonde hair and light

> complexion. I blended in in Australia as long as I kept my mouth

shut. I

> felt right at home. :)

This reminds me of when we lived in Ghana, West Africa. One of the

things we did was visit a couple of deaf schools. Most of the deaf

kids had seen white adults before; but had never seen white

children. They would come up to our children and rub their skin --

they wanted to see if the " white " came off.

If you'd like to see some pictures from our year in Ghana, you can

check them out at: http://community.webshots.com/user/dereinke

Dacia

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Hi Ann,

> I'm 41 and have daughters 5 & 8 so I got started a little later

than you

> did. :) Most of us here have tried many diets too so we

understand the frustration.

****

I'm glad to be in such good company. My mother was 17 when she had

me so I thought I was an old timer when I had my first son at the

age of 21 (almost 22).

*****

> Where in Australia are you from? I live in the suburbs of

Houston, Texas.

> I've been to Freemantle and Perth but that's it in Australia. I

worked as a

> ship engineer in a former life and we refueled at a port near

Freemantle. I

> took the train to Perth just for fun. The previous port was

Mombasa, Kenya

> where I stood out like a sore thumb with my blonde hair and light

> complexion. I blended in in Australia as long as I kept my mouth

shut. I

> felt right at home. :)

*****

I'm from Melbourne and live about 6km from the Central Business

District. I'm a city girl at heart. Nothing I like more than to

step into the main street and hear trams rumbling by. Also, I'm 5

minutes from the fashion mecca of Melbourne (Chapel Street, South

Yarra)and am privy to many great cafes that serve wonderful coffee.

I don't get tempted to spend on clothes here though. The sizes are

so tiny - I think my ankle would fit the top of the thigh area on

most of the pants for sale.

You would definitely fit into the Melbourne people scape! Blonde

hair and light complexion! There are some Americans here but not

that many - I'm often amazed that many of you like the Aussie

accent. I've heard it is not an easy one to imitate.

I'm glad you were comfortable when visiting. Unfortunately I've not

been to Perth myself. Actually I've only been to two of the seven

states of Australia (Queensland and New South Wales; 3 if you

include my hometown of Melbourne).

*****

>

> I miss traveling. Hopefully we can save up and start taking the

kids neat

> places when they are older.

>

> Ann

*****

I know what you mean. Money is always the issue, huh. My husband

and I did visit Mauritius about 7 years ago for two weeks, sans

kids - the honeymoon we never had when we were married in 1979. It

was a Club Med resort but we also struck up a friendship with one of

the beach hawkers and he took us home to a " typical " Mauritian

dinner. My husband is a fussy food eater - so I had to be the " well

mannered " one to eat the chicken curry (chicken claws were

visible!). Somehow I managed to swallow it down.

It was a lovely holiday, though, so relaxing. I was at my goal

weight then - 64kg (140lbs approx) and did not put on any weight at

the resort, even though food was plentiful. We spent most days

playing table tennis, walking on the beach, swimming, etc. I think

the exercise must really have helped.

Unfortunately, I'm the heaviest now I've ever been. Even heavier

than my highest pregnancy weight of 93.5kg. (Currently I'm

107.2kg).

It's nice to be part of the 100 club and lovely to hear from you

Ann.

Cheers,

ozgal

*****

P.S. Is there a way to change font colour when replying? I can't

find a way to do it.

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lie,

I heard it all before too. How "if only I could just stop eating, I could lose". Or "why don't you try this one pill I saw on tv the other day, it claims to suck out your belly fat." or " If you would just get off your A$$ you could lose some of that booty" and all of this from people that supposedly care about me. First off, you will never have to stick to a "diet" again once you have restriction. You can still eat what you want in moderation. I still eat pizza, just less of it. That is why I LOVE the band. It makes me feel like a "normal" person eating "normal" portions. You control the size of those portions with the amount of fill you have.

Do you have a friend that could go with you to the hospital or a family member? It is really nice to have someone there who is supportive and not going to hinder your healing. Please bring someone along who can help you and be supportive. I thought mine was going to be a butt the whole time we were there because he hadn't really showed me a supportive side that much, but he surprised me by being the BEST and showing concern and really going through heck laying on a flat cushion for 2 nights LOL.

About financing, I wish you luck. I had to get a loan for half of it, and use my tax return for the other half.

You have come to the right place as far as finding a clean and safe hospital. Almater hospital is the best!

M.

3/1/05

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From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of lie CodySent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 6:16 PM Subject: Weight loss

My husband thinks this surgery is alot of money and I don't think he really has faith in me sticking with any diet. Of course even when I try he sabatoses it anyway. I am determined this time and yes chances are I'll have to walk into the hospital by myself. My husband doesn't like going into medical facilities anyway. He almost passed out when I was in labor with our first son. Others think I am being extreme and that there are other ways to lose the weight. But they really don't understand that I have tried the other ways. And no magical pill is going to do it too!! I get so angry when I see all the diet pill commercials anymore with their false promises. But I am being persistent in researching ways to finance the surgery and right now I don't care how far I have to travel to get it done as long as the facility is clean and safe and the doctors know what they are doing. Thanks for letting me vent. Rose rjcody54@... SINCERELY,ROSALIE CODY

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The people at the hospital are wonderful. Everyone you meet will be so helpful and kind. It is nice to bring someone with you but I went by myself and it was a very good experience. Ernesto picked me up at the airport. He probably wished that I had brought someone else to talk to before we got to Mexicali! He even took me to get some contacts for my daughter. Yolanda was so kind. I had many good visits with her. Dr. A was great. He let me use his cell phone to call home because I did not have one. He explained everything so thoroughly. He answered all of my questions. did too. He was really great to visit when he had some time. He was good to answer my questions too. I did not want to bring my husband or anyone else. This was my adventure and it was great! I thought of it as a vacation from laundry and cooking! If this is really what you want to do then do it. Find a friend to come with you or come by yourself. You will be taken care of and you will have no need for worries.

Weight loss

My husband thinks this surgery is alot of money and I don't think he really has faith in me sticking with any diet. Of course even when I try he sabatoses it anyway. I am determined this time and yes chances are I'll have to walk into the hospital by myself. My husband doesn't like going into medical facilities anyway. He almost passed out when I was in labor with our first son. Others think I am being extreme and that there are other ways to lose the weight. But they really don't understand that I have tried the other ways. And no magical pill is going to do it too!! I get so angry when I see all the diet pill commercials anymore with their false promises. But I am being persistent in researching ways to finance the surgery and right now I don't care how far I have to travel to get it done as long as the facility is clean and safe and the doctors know what they are doing. Thanks for letting me vent. Rose rjcody54@... SINCERELY,ROSALIE CODY

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