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I don't have any mold left, but spores aplenty and I'm assuming the toxins as well. Does ozone kick the spore toxins to the curb, too. And if so do you have any recommendations as to the best ozonator to get? At this point I'm seriously considering moving to the desert, but if I could clear my home, that would be a better solution. The mold remediation man I spoke with never mentioned a thing about ozone. His "solution" is to heat the home to 150degrees as that upsets the spores very much and they let loose of the walls and everything they're stuck to trying to escape the heat and then a huge hepa filter sucks them up. I had no idea spores were that intellegent that they try to get away from danger ie heat.bob Larson <bobList@...> wrote: a small amount in the air, sufficient to kill mold etc, once in awhile shouldn't be a problem, but generally ozone is a very powerful oxidizer which will, if concentrated enough and exposed long or often, attack most anything but some plastics (like kynar) and glass. it can get into 'puters, TV's, phones, fabrics like upholstery and clothing, etc and cause damage. there's ozone generators with programmable times for the home that make

a bit on schedule, and if used properly you can live and breathe with that small level in nice clean air without destroying your possessions or lungs. ozone is often initially used much stronger as a "shock treatment" (mostly after fire or flood damage against mold and smoke smell) and you can't stay in the building during that level of operation. [ ] Re: Leaky gut Syndrome>>> Edy I don't know if heat kills mold but I do know that killing mold> only takes care of one of the problems. Mold releases mycotoxins and> mycotoxins are dead. These tend to linger in the air for a lot longer> than the spores from mold. I have to say that the science is moving> very fast on some of this stuff but one thing Shoemaker said in his> last interview was that there are many

things you have to worry about> in a sick building and although it originates with the mold it is> like breathing a toxic soup. I know it's disgusting and they say it> is going to be the next asbestos in the legal, health and> environmental fields.>> Mold thrives on moisture and dies without it so my guess is that heat> would kill it but I'm not sure.>> Sharon

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From my years of experience with ozone, I don't think it would cause damage unless concentrated, and directly aimed at an object. High concentration, and long term, it might attack weak plastics, etc. You can pump it into a sandwich baggie, and leave it for hours; -no change. I have injected it IV 300+ times, and got very little lung irritation when it bubbled up to the lungs through the bloodstream. If you avoid breathing concentrations long term, there should be no problem. You could close off rooms, one by one, and leave it in there all day, and it would probably clear the mold. Breathing the little bit that escapes would be harmless, and I would have no hesitation being in the whole house. You can buy o3 gens for deodorizing the house as

well.

[miracle_mineral_ supplement] Re: Leaky gut Syndrome>>> Edy I don't know if heat kills mold but I do know that killing mold> only takes care of one of the problems. Mold releases mycotoxins and> mycotoxins are dead. These tend to linger in the air for a lot longer> than the spores from mold. I have to say that the science is moving> very fast on some of this stuff but one thing Shoemaker said in his> last interview was that there are many things you have to worry about> in a sick building and although it originates with the mold it is> like breathing a toxic soup. I know it's disgusting and they say it> is going to be the next asbestos in the legal, health and> environmental fields.>> Mold thrives on moisture and dies without it

so my guess is that heat> would kill it but I'm not sure.>> Sharon

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i'm no expert, but i believe the ozone will destroy spores and the toxins at the cellular and molecular level. it just tears them apart, oxidizing them.

drinking ozone water or otherwise getting ozone into the bloodstream is reputed to kill all microbes/fungus it contacts (like MMS). if it finds hydrocarbons like herbicides, pesticides, solvents, stuff from paint product vapors, carbon monoxide from bad air or smoking, ... whatever... it breaks them down into simpler molecules (like H2O, O2, CO2, and some others) that the body knows how to and can deal with easily. (again MMS is claimed to do... a good comparison would be cool).

i have no recommendations, sorry. to initially do the house you might be able to rent a machine locally from a rental yard... search ebay for "ozone generator" and you'll find some of the programmable kind that hangs on a wall somewhere... the power/size of the machine depends on the size of the house/room you're treating. for internal body use via ear, rectal, or vaginal insufflation, or cupping/bagging etc, it's far best to buy a medical grade machine that uses and oxygen tank instead of ambient air source, and those get kinda pricey... i make do with a cheaper Chinese machine from Enaly that can use pure oxygen but it has stainless steel in the ozone path which experts say is bad... so i use it to bubble water to drink and clean food with but don't do insufflations with it (yet).

i think the intelligence of the spores is in the structural design and it's DNA or something... they aren't getting emotional or making tactical decisions, just reacting to their environment. the heat probably causes whatever "holding" mechanism (on a micro/chemical level) to break down. if affordable, i'd probably go with this heat treatment and follow it with an ozone treatment. it would be interesting to read your guy's answer if you ask him about using ozone.

-----Original Message-----From: [mailto: ]On Behalf Of Edy RayfieldSent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 12:04 PM Subject: RE: [ ] moldI don't have any mold left, but spores aplenty and I'm assuming the toxins as well. Does ozone kick the spore toxins to the curb, too. And if so do you have any recommendations as to the best ozonator to get? At this point I'm seriously considering moving to the desert, but if I could clear my home, that would be a better solution. The mold remediation man I spoke with never mentioned a thing about ozone. His "solution" is to heat the home to 150degrees as that upsets the spores very much and they let loose of the walls and everything they're stuck to trying to escape the heat and then a huge hepa filter sucks them up. I had no idea spores were that intellegent that they try to get away from danger ie heat.

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OK Bob, Another question. I hear about folks ozonating water. I'm completely infused with everything you mention from lyme, to fungus to toxins and chemicals. Do you think drinking ozonated water would be of benefit? I'm a non-methylator, gene induced, so would the ozone escort these toxins, bacteria, viruses, chemicals out of my body? You say it makes them into something the body can detox, does that include someone like me that is a non-methylator and I also don't detox toxins, I fail the VCS test pretty badly. My LLMD metephored it like this. This body is like a room with no windows that's full of dust. Simply going in and flapping my arms around will stir it up, but without windows and venting there's nowhere for it to go so it just resettles in other areas. I think that's why myself and some others I read here do all the protocols but don't get better. Stirring and killing

isn't removing.bob Larson <bobList@...> wrote: i'm no expert, but i believe the ozone will destroy spores and the toxins at the cellular and molecular level. it just tears them apart, oxidizing them. drinking ozone water or otherwise getting ozone into the bloodstream is reputed to kill

all microbes/fungus it contacts (like MMS). if it finds hydrocarbons like herbicides, pesticides, solvents, stuff from paint product vapors, carbon monoxide from bad air or smoking, ... whatever... it breaks them down into simpler molecules (like H2O, O2, CO2, and some others) that the body knows how to and can deal with easily. (again MMS is claimed to do... a good comparison would be cool). i have no recommendations, sorry. to initially do the house you might be able to rent a machine locally from a rental yard... search ebay for "ozone generator" and you'll find some of the programmable kind that hangs on a wall somewhere... the power/size of the machine depends on the size of the house/room you're treating. for internal body use via ear, rectal, or

vaginal insufflation, or cupping/bagging etc, it's far best to buy a medical grade machine that uses and oxygen tank instead of ambient air source, and those get kinda pricey... i make do with a cheaper Chinese machine from Enaly that can use pure oxygen but it has stainless steel in the ozone path which experts say is bad... so i use it to bubble water to drink and clean food with but don't do insufflations with it (yet). i think the intelligence of the spores is in the structural design and it's DNA or something... they aren't getting emotional or making tactical decisions, just reacting to their environment. the heat probably causes whatever "holding" mechanism (on a micro/chemical level) to break down. if affordable, i'd probably go with this heat treatment and follow it with an ozone

treatment. it would be interesting to read your guy's answer if you ask him about using ozone. -----Original Message-----From: [mailto: ]On Behalf Of Edy RayfieldSent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 12:04 PM Subject: RE: [ ] moldI don't have any mold left, but spores aplenty and I'm assuming the toxins as well. Does ozone kick the spore toxins to the curb, too. And if so do you have any recommendations as to the best ozonator to get? At this point I'm seriously considering moving to the desert, but if I could clear my home, that would be a

better solution. The mold remediation man I spoke with never mentioned a thing about ozone. His "solution" is to heat the home to 150degrees as that upsets the spores very much and they let loose of the walls and everything they're stuck to trying to escape the heat and then a huge hepa filter sucks them up. I had no idea spores were that intellegent that they try to get away from danger ie heat.

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Hi

We had mold in a room. It is some twenty feet from where I have garden

refuse composting bins. Many attempts to clear the mold from the room failed

to do so.

Then one day I pulled the beds etc out from the wall and brought in a

reciprocating fan blow air everywhere - above, behind, and underneath. I

sprayed colloidal silver (about ten ppm strength) into the room. I did spray

quite a lot of SC into the room air - I stopped when it felt right to stop.

I closed the door and ran the fan for about 15 hours.

The compost bins are still outside the room, and the window is open a bit,

like it always was. That was a year or so ago, and the room has been free of

mold. It is still free of mold.

Maybe CS does not work by taking the life out of mold on contact, but it

seems to me that CS does work that way.

Phil

Sharon wrote ... Subject: [ ] Re: mold

" There is a guy that I spoke to from the mold support group. His name

is Carl Grimes and he is considered an expert witness for mold

victims. He has a website and phone number you can contact him at.

Here's the website. He is very easy to talk with.

Sharon "

http://www.habitats.com/

>

> ozone in the air will kill mold, and probably break down mycotoxins

too.

> unfortunately ozone is also hard on almost everything else around

the house

> that it contacts.

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I did the IVs for a year and half; There is a marker in the liver test called GGT, which measures the livers overall function. Mine went down to 13 from 32, which is very good, however, the same thing happened with o3, as it did with mms. (The over-oxidation problem.) I was able to get to 66,000 viral load, but by then, I was burnt-out, and couldn't see the end in sight. I learned the hard way about compensating with anti-oxidants. I could see this as a viable therapy if everything thing could go on without interruption. If you want to go the o3 route, check out oxyplus @ for instructions. I bought a generator on ebay for $400, and I'm satisfied with it. The $2000 ones are overpriced imho. Usually, 20 minutes of bubbling o3 through ice

water gives you good results. What is mcs?

[miracle_mineral_ supplement] Re: Leaky gut Syndrome>>> Edy I don't know if heat kills mold but I do know that killing mold> only takes care of one of the problems. Mold releases mycotoxins and> mycotoxins are dead. These tend to linger in the air for a lot longer> than the spores from mold. I have to say that the science is moving> very fast on some of this stuff but one thing Shoemaker said in his> last interview was that there are many things you have to worry about> in a sick building and although it originates with the mold it is> like breathing a toxic soup. I know it's disgusting and they say it> is going to be the next asbestos in the legal, health and> environmental fields.>> Mold thrives on moisture and dies without it

so my guess is that heat> would kill it but I'm not sure.>> Sharon

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Hello Phil That is amazing! Are you sure there is no mold, no spores, no myco toxins? If that works, that could help a lot of people. HelenPhil and Carol Conway <philcar@...> wrote: HiWe had mold in a room. It is some twenty feet from where I have garden refuse composting bins. Many attempts to clear the mold from the room failed to do so.Then one day I pulled the beds etc out from the wall and brought in a reciprocating fan blow air everywhere - above, behind, and underneath. I sprayed colloidal silver (about ten ppm strength) into the room. I did spray quite a lot of SC into the room air - I stopped when it felt right to stop. I closed the door and ran the fan for about 15 hours.The compost bins are still outside the room, and the window is open a bit, like it always was. That was a year or so ago, and the room has been free of mold. It is still free of mold.Maybe CS does not work by taking the life out of mold on contact, but it seems to me that CS does work that way.PhilSharon wrote ... Subject:

[ ] Re: mold"There is a guy that I spoke to from the mold support group. His nameis Carl Grimes and he is considered an expert witness for moldvictims. He has a website and phone number you can contact him at.Here's the website. He is very easy to talk with.Sharon "http://www.habitats.com/>> ozone in the air will kill mold, and probably break down mycotoxinstoo.> unfortunately ozone is also hard on almost everything else aroundthe house> that it contacts. Total Body Cleanse! Acid Reflux? Constipation? More Energy..Look younger..ImproveLungs/Brain Make $$$$s! www.holyteaclub.com/zhebee Helen, Ind Rep for HTC 604-420-1544

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By viral load do you mean Hep C? A good friend of mine has it pretty bad, with some cihrrosis (sp). She bought some MMS at my suggestion, but has yet to use it as she doesn't want to herx anymore. She went through the interferon and it almost killed her so she's not anxious to rock the boat anymore.arthur rambo <alquitit@...> wrote: I did the IVs for a year and half; There is a marker in the liver test called GGT, which measures

the livers overall function. Mine went down to 13 from 32, which is very good, however, the same thing happened with o3, as it did with mms. (The over-oxidation problem.) I was able to get to 66,000 viral load, but by then, I was burnt-out, and couldn't see the end in sight. I learned the hard way about compensating with anti-oxidants. I could see this as a viable therapy if everything thing could go on without interruption. If you want to go the o3 route, check out oxyplus @ for instructions. I bought a generator on ebay for $400, and I'm satisfied with it. The $2000 ones are overpriced imho. Usually, 20 minutes of bubbling o3 through ice water gives you good results. What is mcs? ----- Original

Message ----From: Edy Rayfield <edyrayfieldsbcglobal (DOT) net> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 1:13:50 PMSubject: Re: [ ] mold Has your health improved with the IVs? I'm pretty desparate at this point with MCS from these mold toxins. I'm hoping I haven't reached a point of no return. I have the little Chinese one Bob spoke of, but no instructions came with it. How much bubbling in the water does one do? And am I going to kill critters and end up with a lot of toxins that I'm unable to remove this causing more illness? Sorry if I'm asking more of the same questions. Just joined the group a few weeks ago, but you all are amazing me with your knowledge and I'm sorely in need of some guidence. This is a very complicated row to hoe! THANKS! Edyarthur rambo <alquitit (DOT) com> wrote: From my years of experience with ozone, I don't think it would cause damage unless concentrated, and directly aimed at an object. High concentration, and long term, it might attack weak plastics, etc. You can pump it into a sandwich baggie, and leave it for hours; -no change. I have injected it IV 300+ times, and got very little lung irritation when it bubbled up to the lungs through the bloodstream. If you avoid breathing concentrations long term, there should be no problem. You could close off rooms, one by one, and leave it in there all day, and it would probably clear the mold. Breathing the little bit that escapes would be harmless, and I

would have no hesitation being in the whole house. You can buy o3 gens for deodorizing the house as well. [miracle_mineral_ supplement] Re: Leaky gut Syndrome>>> Edy I don't know if heat kills mold but I do know that killing mold> only takes

care of one of the problems. Mold releases mycotoxins and> mycotoxins are dead. These tend to linger in the air for a lot longer> than the spores from mold. I have to say that the science is moving> very fast on some of this stuff but one thing Shoemaker said in his> last interview was that there are many things you have to worry about> in a sick building and although it originates with the mold it is> like breathing a toxic soup. I know it's disgusting and they say it> is going to be the next asbestos in the legal, health and> environmental fields.>> Mold thrives on moisture and dies without it so my guess is that heat> would kill it but I'm not sure.>> Sharon Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with

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yes hep c

[miracle_mineral_ supplement] Re: Leaky gut Syndrome>>> Edy I don't know if heat kills mold but I do know that killing mold> only takes care of one of the problems. Mold releases mycotoxins and> mycotoxins are dead. These tend to linger in the air for a lot longer> than the spores from mold. I have to say that the science is moving> very fast on some of this stuff but one thing Shoemaker said in his> last interview was that there are many things you have to worry about> in a sick building and although it originates with the mold it is> like breathing a toxic soup. I know it's disgusting and they say it> is going to be the next asbestos in the legal, health and> environmental fields.>> Mold thrives on moisture and dies without it

so my guess is that heat> would kill it but I'm not sure.>> Sharon

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I'm passing your post on to her if you don't mind. I cut and pasted so it's private, but thanks.arthur rambo <alquitit@...> wrote: yes hep c [miracle_mineral_ supplement] Re: Leaky gut Syndrome>>> Edy I don't know if heat kills mold but I do know that killing mold> only takes care of one of the problems. Mold releases mycotoxins and> mycotoxins are dead. These tend to linger in

the air for a lot longer> than the spores from mold. I have to say that the science is moving> very fast on some of this stuff but one thing Shoemaker said in his> last interview was that there are many things you have to worry about> in a sick building and although it originates with the mold it is> like breathing a toxic soup. I know it's disgusting and they say it> is going to be the next asbestos in the legal, health and> environmental fields.>> Mold thrives on moisture and dies without it so my guess is that heat> would kill it but I'm not sure.>> Sharon Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.

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Hello Edy I just heard one of the natural doctors on a Holy Tea Conference Call say that the Holy Tea helps to restore the liver and the Holy Tea is gentle. I have not heard of much "herxing" or detoxing symptoms although they can happen. But there is nothing that says you have to start with a full amount. Starting with a smaller amount might be a good idea for some people. If she would like to talk to the doctor who made this remark, she can go to one of the Live Conference Calls which are done on Tuesday evenings at 8pm Central time. The doctor who made the remark is Dr Bridget Bagley. She usually is on the Conf Calls and if not, she will be there next time. You can attend these calls online from the website or you can phone in. Go to > > > www.holyteaclub.com/zhebee and click on Conference Calls on the menu. There she/you will find all the information about these calls. There is no obligation to buy anything and you will not be badgered to do so. Have your friend contact me if she wishes. Helen 604-420-1544 zhebee@... Edy Rayfield <edyrayfield@...> wrote: By viral load do you mean Hep C? A good friend of mine has it pretty bad, with some cihrrosis (sp). She bought some MMS at my suggestion, but has yet to use it as she doesn't want to herx anymore. She went through the interferon and it almost killed her so she's not anxious to rock the boat anymore.arthur rambo <alquitit > wrote: I did the IVs for a year and half; There is a marker in the liver test called GGT, which measures the livers overall function. Mine went down to 13 from 32, which is very good, however, the same thing happened with o3, as it did with mms. (The over-oxidation problem.) I was

able to get to 66,000 viral load, but by then, I was burnt-out, and couldn't see the end in sight. I learned the hard way about compensating with anti-oxidants. I could see this as a viable therapy if everything thing could go on without interruption. If you want to go the o3 route, check out oxyplus @ for instructions. I bought a generator on ebay for $400, and I'm satisfied with it. The $2000 ones are overpriced imho. Usually, 20 minutes of bubbling o3 through ice water gives you good results. What is mcs? [miracle_mineral_ supplement] Re: Leaky gut Syndrome>>> Edy I don't know if heat kills mold but I do know that killing mold> only takes care of one of the problems. Mold releases mycotoxins and> mycotoxins are dead. These tend to linger in the air for a lot longer> than the spores from mold. I have to say that the

science is moving> very fast on some of this stuff but one thing Shoemaker said in his> last interview was that there are many things you have to worry about> in a sick building and although it originates with the mold it is> like breathing a toxic soup. I know it's disgusting and they say it> is going to be the next asbestos in the legal, health and> environmental fields.>> Mold thrives on moisture and dies without it so my guess is that heat> would kill it but I'm not sure.>> Sharon Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Total Body Cleanse! Acid Reflux? Constipation? More Energy..Look younger..ImproveLungs/Brain Make $$$$s! www.holyteaclub.com/zhebee Helen, Ind Rep for HTC 604-420-1544

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Helen. There are none that I can see ---- or smell.

With all sincerity I say it worked as I described it for me.

The fan is a 16 inch diameter one. The room is 10.5 feet square, on the cool side of the house.

Phil

ps I thought it was good too.

My CS is home made using distilled water and zero salt, a small aquarium pump for circulation, rather low milliamps, polarity reversing, and a large electrode area. It gives only a small indication usng the Tyndall laser light "test".

Re: [ ] Re: mold

Hello Phil

That is amazing!

Are you sure there is no mold, no spores, no myco toxins?

If that works, that could help a lot of people.

HelenPhil and Carol Conway <philcar@...> wrote:

HiWe had mold in a room. It is some twenty feet from where I have garden refuse composting bins. Many attempts to clear the mold from the room failed to do so.Then one day I pulled the beds etc out from the wall and brought in a reciprocating fan blow air everywhere - above, behind, and underneath. I sprayed colloidal silver (about ten ppm strength) into the room. I did spray quite a lot of SC into the room air - I stopped when it felt right to stop. I closed the door and ran the fan for about 15 hours.The compost bins are still outside the room, and the window is open a bit, like it always was. That was a year or so ago, and the room has been free of mold. It is still free of mold.Maybe CS does not work by taking the life out of mold on contact, but it seems to me that CS does work that way.,_._,___

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Holy Tea is expensive! $45 for 6 teabags. I have since done some research on the herbal ingredients. Malva and Persimmon Leaf alone are not easy to find; ButI have found the following - DIETERS HERBAL DRINK - $4.00 for 20 Teabags.Ingredients - Malva Verticellata (Chinese Mallow) ; Cassia gustustifolia (Senna) ; Persimmon Leaf; Papaya, Stevia;To this brew I have added my own Milk thistle leaf; Blessed Thisitle - Leaf; and Marsh Mallow leaf which can be found at stores that sell bulk herbs. Just made my first batch tonight. helen/zhebee <zhebee@...> wrote: Hello Edy I just heard one of the natural doctors on a Holy Tea Conference Call say that the Holy Tea helps to restore the liver and the Holy Tea is gentle. I have not heard of much "herxing" or detoxing symptoms although they can happen. But there is nothing that says you have to start with a full amount. Starting with a smaller amount might be a good idea for some people. If she would like to talk to the doctor who made this remark, she can go to one of the Live Conference Calls which are done on Tuesday evenings at 8pm Central time. The doctor who made the remark is Dr Bridget Bagley. She usually is on the Conf Calls and if not, she will be there next time. You can attend these calls online from the website or you can phone in. Go to > > > www.holyteaclub.com/zhebee and click on Conference Calls on the

menu. There she/you will find all the information about these calls. There is no obligation to buy anything and you will not be badgered to do so. Have your friend contact me if she wishes. Helen 604-420-1544 zhebee Edy Rayfield <edyrayfieldsbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote: By viral load do you mean Hep C? A good friend of mine has it pretty bad, with some cihrrosis (sp). She bought some MMS at my suggestion, but has yet to use it as she doesn't want to herx anymore. She went through the interferon and it almost killed her so she's not anxious to rock the boat anymore.arthur rambo <alquitit > wrote: I did the IVs for a year and half; There is a marker in the liver test called GGT, which measures the livers overall function. Mine went down to 13 from 32, which is very good, however, the same thing happened with o3, as it did with mms. (The over-oxidation problem.) I was able to get to 66,000 viral load, but by then, I was burnt-out, and couldn't see the end in

sight. I learned the hard way about compensating with anti-oxidants. I could see this as a viable therapy if everything thing could go on without interruption. If you want to go the o3 route, check out oxyplus @ for instructions. I bought a generator on ebay for $400, and I'm satisfied with it. The $2000 ones are overpriced imho. Usually, 20 minutes of bubbling o3 through ice water gives you good results. What is mcs? [miracle_mineral_ supplement] Re: Leaky gut Syndrome>>> Edy I don't know if heat kills mold but I do know that killing mold> only takes care of one of the problems. Mold releases mycotoxins and> mycotoxins are dead. These tend to linger in the air for a lot longer> than the spores from mold. I have to say that

the science is moving> very fast on some of this stuff but one thing Shoemaker said in his> last interview was that there are many things you have to worry about> in a sick building and although it originates with the mold it is> like breathing a toxic soup. I know it's disgusting and they say it> is going to be the next asbestos in the legal, health and> environmental fields.>> Mold thrives on moisture and dies without it so my guess is that heat> would kill it but I'm not sure.>> Sharon Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Total Body Cleanse! Acid Reflux? Constipation? More Energy..Look younger..ImproveLungs/Brain Make $$$$s! www.holyteaclub.com/zhebee Helen, Ind Rep for HTC 604-420-1544 Regards, Carol Ann ~ The only thing that is different is how you think..http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/archivepix.html

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Actually, Carol, Holy Tea is $40 for 8 teabags and there is no shipping if one goes on Autoship (which can be cancelled at any time). Those 8 bags go a long way lasting an entire month and drinking 2½ cups per day. Not only that, Dr uses a special process which cannot be copied. Many have tried to copy Dr 's Holy Tea and have not been able to get the results he is getting. Dr 's Holy Tea is organically grown and we know where it comes from. The stuff is the stores may be ok but we don't know

that, do we? Often the store doesn't even know. Having said that, I suppose doing something for your health is better than nothing. I wish you much success.No one is obligated to buy the Holy Tea from me ever. You needn't worry, Carol, I am not making a killing from this group. Helen Carol Ann <saffireskyes@...> wrote: Holy Tea is expensive! $45 for 6 teabags. I have since done some research on the herbal ingredients. Malva and Persimmon Leaf alone are not easy to find; ButI have found the following - DIETERS HERBAL DRINK - $4.00 for 20 Teabags.Ingredients - Malva Verticellata (Chinese Mallow) ; Cassia gustustifolia (Senna) ; Persimmon Leaf; Papaya, Stevia;To this brew I have added my own Milk thistle leaf; Blessed Thisitle - Leaf; and Marsh Mallow leaf which can be found at stores that sell bulk herbs. Just made my first batch tonight. helen/zhebee <zhebee > wrote: Hello Edy I just heard one of the natural doctors on a Holy Tea Conference Call say that the Holy Tea helps to restore the liver and the Holy Tea is gentle. I have not heard of much "herxing" or detoxing symptoms although they can happen. But there is nothing that says you have to start with a full amount. Starting with a smaller amount might be a good idea for some people. If she would like to talk to the doctor who made this remark, she can go to one of the Live Conference Calls which are done on Tuesday evenings at 8pm Central time. The doctor who made the remark is Dr Bridget Bagley. She usually is on the Conf Calls and if not, she will be there next time. You can attend these calls online from the website or you can phone in. Go to > > > www.holyteaclub.com/zhebee and click on Conference Calls on the menu. There she/you will find

all the information about these calls. There is no obligation to buy anything and you will not be badgered to do so. Have your friend contact me if she wishes. Helen 604-420-1544 zhebee Edy Rayfield <edyrayfieldsbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote: By viral load do you mean Hep C? A good friend of mine has it pretty bad,

with some cihrrosis (sp). She bought some MMS at my suggestion, but has yet to use it as she doesn't want to herx anymore. She went through the interferon and it almost killed her so she's not anxious to rock the boat anymore.arthur rambo <alquitit > wrote: I did the IVs for a year and half; There is a marker in the liver test called GGT, which measures the livers overall function. Mine went down to 13 from 32, which is very good, however, the same thing happened with o3, as it did with mms. (The over-oxidation problem.) I was able to get to 66,000 viral load, but by then, I was burnt-out, and couldn't see the end in sight. I learned the hard way about compensating with anti-oxidants. I could see this as a

viable therapy if everything thing could go on without interruption. If you want to go the o3 route, check out oxyplus @ for instructions. I bought a generator on ebay for $400, and I'm satisfied with it. The $2000 ones are overpriced imho. Usually, 20 minutes of bubbling o3 through ice water gives you good results. What is mcs? [miracle_mineral_ supplement] Re: Leaky gut Syndrome>>> Edy I don't know if heat kills mold but I do know that killing mold> only takes care of one of the problems. Mold releases mycotoxins and> mycotoxins are dead. These tend to linger in the air for a lot longer> than the spores from mold. I have to say that the science is moving> very fast on some of this stuff but one thing Shoemaker said in his> last interview was that there are many things you have to worry about> in a sick

building and although it originates with the mold it is> like breathing a toxic soup. I know it's disgusting and they say it> is going to be the next asbestos in the legal, health and> environmental fields.>> Mold thrives on moisture and dies without it so my guess is that heat> would kill it but I'm not sure.>> Sharon Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Total Body Cleanse! Acid Reflux? Constipation? More Energy..Look younger..ImproveLungs/Brain Make $$$$s! www.holyteaclub.com/zhebee Helen, Ind Rep for HTC 604-420-1544 Regards, Carol Ann ~ The only thing that is different is how you think..http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/archivepix.html Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Total Body Cleanse! Acid Reflux? Constipation? More Energy..Look younger..ImproveLungs/Brain Make $$$$s! www.holyteaclub.com/zhebee Helen, Ind Rep for HTC 604-420-1544

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I'm not suggesting you are making a killing from the group.....just that the tea is very expensive, and not readily affordable to everyone. From what I can tell of my use of the Holy Tea, it is very effective in keeping the intestinal system clean, flushed and moving. This of itself is extremely important to anyone's health - a backedup digestive tract is the root cause of many problems....even those innocuous headaches.Acquiring the ingredients to the Holy Tea for me is an alternative approach worth perusing, even though it may not be an exact duplicate proportion wise the ingredients are important and I am hoping - as effective. I'll not worry about them being "organic" as I can not afford to buy exclusively organic products anyway - so I'll not fret about that being an issue. The tea seems to me - to be about weight loss, cleansing and liver support- the blessed and milk thistle are for the liver and I had been taking them anyway in pill

form - now I am just adding the fresh herbs as a tea instead. helen/zhebee <zhebee@...> wrote: Actually, Carol, Holy Tea is $40 for 8 teabags and there is no shipping if one goes on Autoship (which can be cancelled at any time). Those 8 bags go a long way lasting an entire month and drinking 2½ cups per day. Not only that, Dr uses a special process which cannot be copied. Many have tried to copy Dr 's Holy Tea and have not been able to get the results he is getting. Dr 's Holy Tea is organically grown and we know where it comes from. The stuff is the stores may be ok but we don't know that, do we? Often the store doesn't even know. Having said that, I suppose doing something for your health is better than nothing. I wish you much success.No one is obligated to buy the Holy Tea from me ever. You needn't worry, Carol, I am not making a killing from this group. Helen Carol Ann <saffireskyes > wrote: Holy Tea is expensive! $45 for 6 teabags. I have since done some research on the herbal ingredients. Malva and Persimmon Leaf alone are not easy to find; ButI have found the following - DIETERS HERBAL DRINK - $4.00 for 20 Teabags.Ingredients - Malva Verticellata (Chinese Mallow) ; Cassia gustustifolia (Senna) ; Persimmon Leaf;

Papaya, Stevia;To this brew I have added my own Milk thistle leaf; Blessed Thisitle - Leaf; and Marsh Mallow leaf which can be found at stores that sell bulk herbs. Just made my first batch tonight. helen/zhebee <zhebee > wrote: Hello Edy I just heard one of the natural doctors on a Holy Tea Conference Call say that the Holy Tea helps to restore the liver and the Holy Tea is gentle. I have not heard of much "herxing" or detoxing symptoms although they can

happen. But there is nothing that says you have to start with a full amount. Starting with a smaller amount might be a good idea for some people. If she would like to talk to the doctor who made this remark, she can go to one of the Live Conference Calls which are done on Tuesday evenings at 8pm Central time. The doctor who made the remark is Dr Bridget Bagley. She usually is on the Conf Calls and if not, she will be there next time. You can attend these calls online from the website or you can phone

in. Go to > > > www.holyteaclub.com/zhebee and click on Conference Calls on the menu. There she/you will find all the information about these calls. There is no obligation to buy anything and you will not be badgered to do so. Have your friend contact me if she wishes. Helen 604-420-1544 zhebee Edy Rayfield <edyrayfieldsbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote: By viral load do you mean Hep C? A good friend of mine has it pretty bad, with some cihrrosis (sp). She bought some MMS at my suggestion, but has yet to use it as she doesn't want to herx anymore. She went through the interferon and it almost killed her so she's not anxious to rock the boat anymore.arthur rambo <alquitit > wrote: I did the IVs for a year and half;

There is a marker in the liver test called GGT, which measures the livers overall function. Mine went down to 13 from 32, which is very good, however, the same thing happened with o3, as it did with mms. (The over-oxidation problem.) I was able to get to 66,000 viral load, but by then, I was burnt-out, and couldn't see the end in sight. I learned the hard way about compensating with anti-oxidants. I could see this as a viable therapy if everything thing could go on without interruption. If you want to go the o3 route, check out oxyplus @ for instructions. I bought a generator on ebay for $400, and I'm satisfied with it. The $2000 ones are overpriced imho. Usually, 20 minutes of bubbling o3 through ice water gives you good results. What is mcs? [miracle_mineral_

supplement] Re: Leaky gut Syndrome>>> Edy I don't know if heat kills mold but I do know that killing mold> only takes care of one of the problems. Mold releases mycotoxins and> mycotoxins are dead. These tend to linger in the air for a lot longer> than the spores from mold. I have to say that the science is moving> very fast on some of this stuff but one thing Shoemaker said in his> last interview was that there are many things you have to worry about> in a sick building and although it originates with the mold it is> like breathing a toxic soup. I know it's disgusting and they say it> is going to be the next asbestos in the legal, health and> environmental fields.>> Mold thrives on moisture and dies without it so my guess is that heat> would kill it but I'm not sure.>> Sharon Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Total Body Cleanse! Acid Reflux? Constipation? More Energy..Look younger..ImproveLungs/Brain Make $$$$s! www.holyteaclub.com/zhebee Helen, Ind Rep for HTC 604-420-1544 Regards, Carol Ann ~ The only thing that is different is how you think..http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/archivepix.html Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Total Body Cleanse! Acid Reflux? Constipation? More Energy..Look younger..ImproveLungs/Brain Make $$$$s! www.holyteaclub.com/zhebee Helen, Ind Rep for HTC 604-420-1544 Regards, Carol Ann ~ The only thing that is different is how you think..http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/archivepix.html

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I didn't choose auto ship so it cost me $45.00. My correction - for 8 teabags.BTW - I am not against anyone making a "profit" from their product but I will say that should the good doctor choose to dispense with the Holy Tea conferences, the free websites and associated maintenance, etc.etc. he might very well be able to afford to sell the product at a more reasonable price instead of the handsome, and I am sure, enhanced prices. Helene, many many sick people cannot afford this monthly expense as they are already disabled, on fixed incomes, ss, etc.etc. How much does it cost to make a teabag with herbs purchased at bulk price - $5.00? 96 teabags for $480 = 1 yr supply. Sorry Helene. I was born in the daytime but it wasn't yesterday. :)helen/zhebee <zhebee@...> wrote: Actually, Carol, Holy Tea is $40 for 8 teabags and there is no shipping if one goes on Autoship (which can be cancelled at any time). Those 8 bags go a long way lasting an entire month and drinking 2½ cups per day. Regards, Carol Ann ~ The only thing that is different is how you think..http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/archivepix.html

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My question about this, wouldn't the MMS essentially do the same thing as the Holy Tea? I've been reading about MMS for about 3 months now, and this is my impression. Maybe I'm wrong. Just wondering what others think?

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I didn't choose auto ship so it cost me $45.00. My correction - for 8 teabags.BTW - I am not against anyone making a "profit" from their product but I will say that should the good doctor choose to dispense with the Holy Tea conferences, the free websites and associated maintenance, etc.etc. he might very well be able to afford to sell the product at a more reasonable price instead of the handsome, and I am sure, enhanced prices. Helene, many many sick people cannot afford this monthly expense as they are already disabled, on fixed incomes, ss, etc.etc. How much does it cost to make a teabag with herbs purchased at bulk price - $5.00? 96 teabags for $480 = 1 yr supply. Sorry Helene. I was born in the daytime but it wasn't yesterday. :)helen/zhebee <zhebee > wrote:

Actually, Carol, Holy Tea is $40 for 8 teabags and there

is no shipping if one goes on Autoship (which can be

cancelled at any time). Those 8 bags go a long way

lasting an entire month and drinking 2½ cups per day.

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For liver support it has been proven that the most benefit from milk thistle (actually the very best herb for the liver) comes from grinding the seeds fresh, stronger than tea or even tincture. It is very cheap to order even organic seeds in bulk, then purchase a small spice grinder or coffee grinder and grind a tablespoon of the seeds. Put this over your food or in a drink daily. All the best health enhancing benefits will be most potent that way.

Sometimes you can even pick up a coffee grinder at a thrift store. New are around 20 bucks.

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I'll not worry about them being "organic" as I can not afford to buy exclusively organic products anyway - so I'll not fret about that being an issue. The tea seems to me - to be about weight loss, cleansing and liver support- the blessed and milk thistle are for the liver and I had been taking them anyway in pill form - now I am just adding the fresh herbs as a tea instead.

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Though I personally think holy tea is very overpriced for what the ingredients are, the herbs used in it are healing herbs and good for the body.

But NO, MMS does not support the body at all. Please understand that MMS is a killer only. It kills pathogens. Period.

You do need to support the body while on MMS. How you do that is up to you. Supplements, clay, herbs, ozone. Various things will help the body differently. Some things you take, like clay, to help the body bind and expel the toxins the MMS leaves in its wake. Other things like milk thistle support and nourish the liver while it is doing its Job of expelling the toxins.

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My question about this, wouldn't the MMS essentially do the same thing as the Holy Tea? I've been reading about MMS for about 3 months now, and this is my impression. Maybe I'm wrong. Just wondering what others think?

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I use various things to support the detoxing, but on the DVD I watched and in various things I've read including JH's book, he said it kills the pathogens, then escorts them out the body. I think if it is killing off stuff in the GI tract, it might allow it to work better and then the body would move the stuff out as it is intended to do. The bad bacteria, viruses, parasites, etc., are all gumming up the system, so to speak. JH says MMS *explodes* the pathogens, so they become more easily removed by the body. Anyway, I realize it is important to support drainage and detoxification -- especially if you are overloading the pathways with stuff to move out. I take milk thistle, myself. But, I guess my question is that maybe the Holy Tea is overkill, that with MMS and the basic stuff you mentioned, that may be enough to cleanse the colon and detox the liver, etc. I don't remember JH even mentioning the need to take supportive supplements.

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Though I personally think holy tea is very overpriced for what the ingredients are, the herbs used in it are healing herbs and good for the body.

But NO, MMS does not support the body at all. Please understand that MMS is a killer only. It kills pathogens. Period.

You do need to support the body while on MMS. How you do that is up to you. Supplements, clay, herbs, ozone. Various things will help the body differently. Some things you take, like clay, to help the body bind and expel the toxins the MMS leaves in its wake. Other things like milk thistle support and nourish the liver while it is doing its Job of expelling the toxins.

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My question about this, wouldn't the MMS essentially do the same thing as the Holy Tea? I've been reading about MMS for about 3 months now, and this is my impression. Maybe I'm wrong. Just wondering what others think?

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No, I don't recall Jim talking about the need to take anything but MMS, though it has been many months since I've read his book. Perhaps he's adding that concept in his talks/interviews now. <shrug> I just know that most everyone's liver is being worked overtime today with all it has to contend with from just day to day toxins, let alone the toxic waste from pathogen die off. As the liver is the number one detoxing organ in the body I see nothing wrong with helping it do its job.

Whether or not the MMS and your body is capable of removing all the toxins MMS stirs up has been an ongoing debate on the MMS lists. It seems as if the very ill are not capable of expelling all the toxins that MMS deploys and they have gotten worse, health wise, until they started taking something to bind and remove toxins. Especially heavy metals. People that are not so sick are able to get by just on the MMS. There doesn't seem to be much discussion on this lately, but if you go over back posts in the archives you'd find lots of info on this.

So I guess it depends on your basic health condition and your liver.

I don't think that holy tea should be considered overkill. Again it depends on a person's basic health. I might not need anything more than milk thistle. The next person might do better when adding clay to that. Someone else may need, MT, clay and the tea. The trick is knowing your own body.

I have nothing against holy tea. If a person can afford it, great. As I said, I have a problem with the price. When people mix up a few herbs and then claim a proprietary method of doing so, that usually simply means they don't want to reveal the amounts/ratio the ingredients are mixed. I understand the need to keep that hidden. But none of the ingredients in that tea are expensive enough to justify the cost charged. I believe the cost is due to the fact that he can get it from certain people. :-) No different than any other mlm product.

And before anyone jumps me about my mlm statement, I have said in earlier posts that I have nothing against mlm. I don't think they are any different than any other method of selling. People still have choices where and what to buy. Like buying clothes from Target or Marshal Fields. If you have the money you shop Fields. If you don't, you shop Target. Sometimes even when you don't have the money, but the occasion is very special, you shop Fields anyway.

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I use various things to support the detoxing, but on the DVD I watched and in various things I've read including JH's book, he said it kills the pathogens, then escorts them out the body. I think if it is killing off stuff in the GI tract, it might allow it to work better and then the body would move the stuff out as it is intended to do. The bad bacteria, viruses, parasites, etc., are all gumming up the system, so to speak. JH says MMS *explodes* the pathogens, so they become more easily removed by the body. Anyway, I realize it is important to support drainage and detoxification -- especially if you are overloading the pathways with stuff to move out. I take milk thistle, myself. But, I guess my question is that maybe the Holy Tea is overkill, that with MMS and the basic stuff you mentioned, that may be enough to cleanse the colon and detox the liver, etc. I don't remember JH even mentioning the need to take supportive supplements.

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I have a good old apothecary pestle and mortar made of marble. I also have some seeds on hand so...thanks for the reminder as I usually use the leaves. Tis so very true about the Milk Thistle. I'll just ground them up and add them to my newly discovered "Dieters Herbal Drink " tea which has two of Holy Tea's main ingredients. Who says an existing formula cannot be improved upon. :)Gaiacita <gaiacita@...> wrote: For liver support it has been proven that the most benefit from milk thistle (actually the very best herb for the liver) comes from grinding the seeds fresh, stronger than tea or even tincture. It is very cheap to order even organic seeds in bulk, then purchase a small spice grinder or coffee grinder and grind a tablespoon of the seeds. Put this over your food or in a drink daily. All the best health enhancing benefits will be most potent that way. Sometimes you can even pick up a coffee grinder at a thrift store. New are around 20 bucks. -------Original Message------- I'll not worry about them being "organic" as I can not afford to buy exclusively organic products anyway - so I'll not fret about that being an issue. The tea seems to me - to be about weight loss, cleansing and liver support- the blessed and milk thistle are for the liver and I had been taking them anyway in pill form - now I am just adding the fresh herbs as a tea instead. Regards, Carol Ann ~ The only thing that is different is how you think..http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/archivepix.html

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And sometimes, even if you have the money, you shop at Target anyway.

Why pay more than you need to...

Dan

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And before anyone jumps me about my mlm statement, I have said in earlier posts that I have nothing against mlm. I don't think they are any different than any other method of selling. People still have choices where and what to buy. Like buying clothes from Target or Marshal Fields. If you have the money you shop Fields. If you don't, you shop Target. Sometimes even when you don't have the money, but the occasion is very special, you shop Fields anyway.

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Yep, that's the truth too.

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And sometimes, even if you have the money, you shop at Target anyway.

Why pay more than you need to...