Music, remember when?

[Guest guest]

by Grady

When bands came out with a new c.d., they would speak to Rolling

Stone and MTV, before those two entities were concerned with the

flesh of the singer's skin being exposed rather than the flesh of the

music being revealed. And we couldn't wait to read the interview and

for the cd to come out.... I meant the c.d. to come out and not the

singer to jump out of their clothes. lol

When " making the band " actually meant that. You made the band because

you could actually play an instrument, not sing and dance. If you

only sang, you made the chorus! And if you only danced, you were part

of a dance troupe, not a band!

Remember when going to a live concert, the dancers were in the

background, if they were any at all. And they were only there to get

the crowd going or to dance with the music or musicians who were the

real ones you had come to see in the first place. Now, the dancers

are the show and the band is in the background in total darkness.

Remember when the artists interviewed by either the news print media,

like Spin Magazine, Crawdaddy and again Rolling Stone, or the TV

media, like MTV, the interviewer would ask them, " So, Elvis Costello

(using him as an example), what might we expect to see on your next

release? " And the >>>musician<<< would always say, " Well, I'm hope my

fans will like it. I thought I'd change my style of music from my

previous c.d. which was mainly alternative-rock to alternative

country. " And that exactly what the fans got. Not what Britney Spears

said in a similar interview and her answer was, I kid you not, " Oh,

for my next c.d., fans will notice I've changed my hair and my style

of dress. " LOL

Remember when the looks of the singer mattered less than the talent

they possessed. Unless, you look like a Playboy Bunny, you're not

even considered today. Remember Mama Cass, Sandy Denny,

Elaine " Spanky " McFarlane, Janis Joplin, Carol King, Barbara

Streisand, Carly Simon, Aretha lin, Nyro, and even Celine

Dion who don't have a lot going on in the looks department, but they

make you actually run to the c.d. store to buy their stuff as they're

that good at what they do:). Today, none of them would even be given

a second chance:(. Well, unless, they also " looked " like Britney,

, Beyonce or Simpson.

Remember when going to a concert you actually saw the musician play

their instrument as well as sing, not play their crotch or bra and

sing.

Remember when going to concert, exactly meant that, you expected

to " hear " the music. It never meant " seeing " an exotic strip show

with " muzak " blaring as they danced.

Remember when " Flash Dance, the movie was just that a movie, not a

concert. Now Flash Dance is THE CONCERT.

luv, grady

[Guest guest]

I actually disagree....

The lead singers of the biggest rock bands right now, Mayer and

Coldplay aren't exactly good looking. (sorry if other females contest

me on this) Coldplay is a multi-platinum, extremely talented band and

has been listed under Rolling Stone to be the next U2. Also, some of

the other leading bands - Smashmouth, FooFighters, Sheryl Crow - most

of those bands have rather average looking people. And they all sing

(or rock) very well.

If you listened to Janet , in the mid-80's/early 90s, she sang

some amazing ballads. Granted, she was provacative yesterday, but it's

like, c'mon! How could CBS NOT think that she was going to do something

sexual on national TV? That's like sticking a hand over a fire. The CBS

commercials leading up to half-time certainly showed enough of her

clevage.

Did anyone catch Josh Groban before the Superbowl? They've been

focusing so much on Janet that they forgot about him. Josh Groban is so

amazingly talented (and ironically, yes, he's very good looking) as an

opera singer, having being trained for such a long time and at such a

young age. He's something to look out for!

Anyway, minus the Janet's/Britney's/'s/Insync/ and

whoever, music still lives and there is still plenty of quality music

going strong. I think the boy bands and selected singers are a phase

and will die off eventually.

Irene (well back to the dwarfism thread..)

[Guest guest]

Oh, pl-eeeze. You must be looking for music in the wrong places. I

have absolutely no clue what most of my favorite musicians look like.

Don't mistake the bad taste of a few 12 year old girls to that of

most people. And by the way, Simpson lookes like a mule.

There really isn't any reason for a post like yours, the subject of

bi**ing was simply changed to " reality shows suck " to " it sucks how

music is about looks " . I think its sad that you seem to be unaware of

so many great artists out today who do not look like the people you

mentioned. The Gorillaz, one of my favs, perform behind a curtain to

sold out audiences. The problem your refering to doesnt exist, except

for in your own mind, sorry.

And I agree with the other person who responded, about coldplay and

others.

-Cherub

[Guest guest]

> I actually disagree....

>

> The lead singers of the biggest rock bands right now, Mayer

and

> Coldplay aren't exactly good looking. (sorry if other females

contest

> me on this) Coldplay is a multi-platinum, extremely talented band

and

> has been listed under Rolling Stone to be the next U2. Also, some

of

> the other leading bands - Smashmouth, FooFighters, Sheryl Crow -

most

> of those bands have rather average looking people. And they all

sing

> (or rock) very well.

Humm interesting...As an individual who has been around music from

Led Zeppelin to Sound Garden to Madona and now even Britny Spears. I

must say that I know true singing and talent when I hear it. What I

would like to point out here is that the Recording industry is no

longer owned or run by the same artistic group of fantastic people it

once was, instead the Recording industry has all just about anyway,

been bought out by large Corperations who most have and had no idea

what true music is was or should be. Today it is Assymbaly line

producton or " Cookie Cutter " music. Alot of the artists that I see

have been mentiond here don't have much talent ether.

Just because someone pulls out top record sales does not mean they

can sing or play an instrment. It means that they have in some cases

been carefully " Marketed " and packaged to apeal to people who truly

do believe that in fact they can sing and are talented. It sadens me

to see how bleek Rock music has become today, kids who can hardly

play three chords and can't sing to save their life are selling

millions of CD's why? Because we are being brainwashed into thinking

that in fact this is talent and why not if there is nothing better

out there to offer.

I gave up on " Rock music " long ago and moved into the Funk, R & B

and " Pop " world, why? because that is where the money is and in my

opinion there is so little good music left out there that impresses

me that I can't even stand to listen to it!

I can hardly call Coldplay,Smashmouth, and the FooFighters talent.

Yes they have been successfull and made a lot of money but then so

did Milli Vanilli, You can't lable an artist's talent or lack of on

their record sales or concert sales because most of it is hype and

the younger public today has such a short attention span that they

could not really relate to " Talent " if it was right in front of

them. Today it's called " Trends " these bands today can hit it big if

they are trendy and apeal to the younger record buying crowds.

I hardly doubt that if no one knew who Jimi Hendrix was and he poped

up today he couldn't make it he would be laughed at and no one would

even bother to take notice of him.

What does it cone down to? It cones down to that in order for us to

see anything as worth it we have to " See it " almost no one will

bother unless they " see it " . As the song says " Video Killed The

Radio star " MTV desroyed music and changed it's corse forever.

>

> If you listened to Janet , in the mid-80's/early 90s, she

sang

> some amazing ballads. Granted, she was provacative yesterday, but

it's

> like, c'mon! How could CBS NOT think that she was going to do

something

> sexual on national TV? That's like sticking a hand over a fire. The

CBS

> commercials leading up to half-time certainly showed enough of her

> clevage.

>

> Did anyone catch Josh Groban before the Superbowl? They've been

> focusing so much on Janet that they forgot about him. Josh Groban

is so

> amazingly talented (and ironically, yes, he's very good looking) as

an

> opera singer, having being trained for such a long time and at such

a

> young age. He's something to look out for!

>

> Anyway, minus the Janet's/Britney's/'s/Insync/ and

> whoever, music still lives and there is still plenty of quality

music

> going strong. I think the boy bands and selected singers are a

phase

> and will die off eventually.

Again that would be wonderfull but honestly this is not a phase, you

have ti understand who it is that goes to concerts and buys 85% of

the CD's is it over 30's or over 40's no, It is the kids in Jr. High

and High school. You see once again if you have a family going to a

concert or buying that CD that maybe you would like but that money

needs to pay for daipers or baby food is now where your prioritys

are.

The kids who listen to Britney and will in about 6 or 7 years

be in the same place and then the next batch will rise up. that is

just how it is. Yes some artists such as Elton can still make a

lot of money but a lot of it is from past sales too or movie scores

etc.

Kurt~

>

> Irene (well back to the dwarfism thread..)

[Guest guest]

Thanks Kurt.

It's not there aren't any talented average looking musicians out there

as that wasn't the gist of my post at all. It's just that the cookie

cutter mass-media made singers are getting the most attention,

sometimes all of the attention, of the media out there, including the

grand daddy of all the rock media, Rolling Stone. It used to cover in

depth the music they the artists played, now it uncovers in depth the

clothes Britney, and Pink are not wearing. Forget about the

instruments they're not even playing as that doesn't even matter to RS

anymore. Case in point, I remember 2(?) years ago when Ramone,

one of punk music's foundling fathers along with Iggy Pop, died of

cancer. RS merely had a blurb on him, his death and his contribution

to punk music. That was sad as he was contribution to Punk music and

worth as a musician should've been more than a blurb, but in the same

issue they had a full spread of Britney of what shewas (not) wearing.

Go figure, that's RS of today.

So, I agree with you too, Irene, on Coldplay as being talented

average looking artists. I'll even go further than you did, they

should've been the ones at half time at the Super Bowl, not e,

Janet, and Shania at a previous Super Bowl.

Thus, re-read my post to truly understand what I'm saying, it's the

industry today and what's being flashed before our eyes as talent when

there's no talent at all. Rather it's only looks, to those in charge

of the major part of the industry.

I hate to say this too as I know a few on here are ga-ga over them:P,

but I feel the fame about these non-12 year olds: Shania Twain, who

may still hog a Harley like 18 year old like she did in her video,

Faith Hill, who I swear wants to look like Britney Spears sooo bad I'm

surprised she hasn't gotten plastic surgery for it, and Shelby Lynne,

who looks younger and younger on each new cd of hers. How does she do

that anyway? And finally, Garth , with his episode of

pretending to be alter younger imaginery self as Gaines. Are the

musicians, the older ones as well, afraid of getting older? Remember

when aging, especially to a musician, brought a depth of maturity and

wisdom to their music (eg. ny Cash). Bring back Loretta Lynn, who

is not only a coal miner's daughter but she looks like she was born in

a coal mine and no one cared too. That's my point and those previously

mentioned are not even close to being 12 years old.

It's sad that some on here see my posts as being anti-this or

anti-that, rather than if they just read them for them and saw what

I've been saying this all along, " (Just) gimme some >>>TRUTH<<<, "

which was also said and sang by Lennon, a true musician, a true

star and an average looking one at that too. Actually, some have felt

he was ugly, especially in his later years when he got so thin, but

could he still make us sing and think:).

I don't care if the reality show goes on but don't call it that, call

it a game show. I'll go as far as this, I don't care if a bunch of

dwarfs go on TV and tape an orgy show but then don't call it Extreme

Makeover or Survivor! LOL The same with music, since I own over 1,000

cd's and love music a lot, don't call it music when the only thing I

wanna do with their cd is NOT play it, but take the cover out to do

something else with it in my bathroom.

Again Kurt, thanks.

I just want the truth, grady

> What I would like to point out here is that the Recording industry

is no longer owned or run by the same artistic group of fantastic

people it once was, instead the Recording industry has all just about

anyway, been bought out by large Corperations who most have and had no

idea what true music is was or should be. Today it is Assymbaly line

producton or " Cookie Cutter " music. A lot of the artists that I see

have been mentiond here don't have much talent ether.

Just because someone pulls out top record sales does not mean they

can sing or play an instrment. It means that they have in some cases

been carefully " Marketed " and packaged to apeal to people who truly

do believe that in fact they can sing and are talented. It sadens me

to see how bleek Rock music has become today, kids who can hardly play

three chords and can't sing to save their life are selling millions

of CD's why? Because we are being brainwashed into thinking that in

fact this is talent and why not if there is nothing better out there

to offer.

I gave up on " Rock music " long ago and moved into the Funk, R & B and

" Pop " world, why? because that is where the money is and in my

opinion there is so little good music left out there that impresses me

that I can't even stand to listen to it!

I can hardly call Coldplay,Smashmouth, and the FooFighters talent.

Yes they have been successfull and made a lot of money but then so

did Milli Vanilli, You can't lable an artist's talent or lack of on

their record sales or concert sales because most of it is hype and the

younger public today has such a short attention span that they could

not really relate to " Talent " if it was right in front of them. Today

it's called " Trends " these bands today can hit it big if they are

trendy and apeal to the younger record buying crowds.

I hardly doubt that if no one knew who Jimi Hendrix was and he poped

up today he couldn't make it he would be laughed at and no one would

even bother to take notice of him.

What does it cone down to? It comes down to that in order for us to

see anything as worth it we have to " See it " almost no one will bother

unless they " see it " . As the song says " Video Killed The Radio star "

MTV desroyed music and changed it's course forever.