Why stay in the hospital?

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I am planning to donate, but do you think I should donate 2?

Ann

Re: Why stay in the hospital?

In a message dated 8/25/2006 12:57:11 P.M. Central Standard Time, meuwwhidbey writes:

Another reason you stay in the hospital is you have a couple of small drains in you leg and they monitor the blood that is collected. When the drains are removed tit doesn't hurt though. You also wear those ted stockings and they will remove them to see how your legs are. Clotting is one thing they watch closely for.On Aug 25, 2006, at 10:29 AM, Elaine Poage wrote:

See with my back fusion they had the blood draining into this little ball thing, and with my knees they pumped it back into me somehow.

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Ann

I had the hips and shoulders replaced. First hip all sorts of pain

meds and in the hospital 9 days. (THR on Friday, dislocated that

night, bed ridden until they redid it on Monday). Next THR had

toradal and was home after three nights. For the first shoulder I

had one shot of morphine then extra strength tylenol and home after

two nights. For the next TSR I had only extra strength tylenol and

was home after two nights. For the revision of the second THR I only

took demerol in recovery to stop shaking and was home the next day.

So for me the less pain meds the faster I was home. Pain meds do not

stop the pain for me. It just spaces me out, makes me throw up and

forget about bowel movements. I was more miserable from the pain

meds than the first THR.

I am one who can get away without pain meds post recovery room. Now

I did take muscle relaxers and Ativan and a sleeping pill if needed.

But I found all of this out with experience.

Probably better to try pain meds than not and suffer. But if you

know how pain meds effect you, tell your OS. They could not believe

I was doing great with no pain meds after my revision and could go

home the next day!

Take care and remember everyone is different.

Sue

> I don't object to being in the hospital, just wondered why so

long. I don't suppose anyone here managed to make it w/o pain

drugs? I hate them. I'm sure I'd love the self-administered

morphine drip, but I got horribly constipated just from one little

Vicodin tablet (capsule?). They hadn't warned me that it was

constipating. This was an outpatient surgery (partial

meniscectomy). I'll never forget that day.

>

> Ann

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> Why stay in the hospital?

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> Does anyone know what the purpose of staying in the hospital

for 3-4 days is? Do they want to make sure you don't get an

infection? Are you so out of it w/pain drugs they can't let you go?

Is it because you get a lot of PT while you're there? Is it for the

PMM? Is it so they can be sure you walk a certain amt? Bleeding?

Clots? All of the above?

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> Thanks.

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> Ann

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No. The only reason I donated one at all was because

I was having both done at the same time. Turns out

they didn't use it till the 2nd day. Actually I didn't

even need it but they thought well as long as I donated it they might as well put it back in.. I

am almost sure they will recycle your own blood

during surgery but yeah I'd donate one but do it

at least a week before surgery.

Sherry

Re: Why stay in the hospital?

In a message dated 8/25/2006 12:57:11 P.M. Central Standard Time, meuwwhidbey writes:

Another reason you stay in the hospital is you have a couple of small drains in you leg and they monitor the blood that is collected. When the drains are removed tit doesn't hurt though. You also wear those ted stockings and they will remove them to see how your legs are. Clotting is one thing they watch closely for.On Aug 25, 2006, at 10:29 AM, Elaine Poage wrote:

See with my back fusion they had the blood draining into this little ball thing, and with my knees they pumped it back into me somehow.

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I had to donate 2 the first surgery but on the second one I asked him

why I couldn't let my body make it up if I needed it. He said fine and

I didn't need it either time.

On Aug 25, 2006, at 5:33 PM, Ann wrote:

> I am planning to donate, but do you think I should donate 2?

>  

> Ann

>  

>> Re: Why stay in the hospital?

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> In a message dated 8/25/2006 12:57:11 P.M. Central Standard Time,

>>>>> meuw@... writes:

>>>>>> Another reason you stay in the hospital is you have a couple of

>>>>>> small

>>>>>> drains in you leg and they monitor the blood that is collected. 

>>>>>> When

>>>>>> the drains are removed tit doesn't hurt though.  You also wear

>>>>>> those

>>>>>> ted stockings and they will remove them to see how your legs are. 

>>>>>> Clotting is one thing they watch closely for.

>>>>>> On Aug 25, 2006, at 10:29 AM, Elaine Poage wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>     See with my back fusion they had the blood draining into this

>>>>> little ball thing, and with my knees they pumped it back into me

>>>>> somehow.  

>>>>>

>>>>>

>

" the church is not suppose to be a country club for the saints, but

rather a hospital for the sinner. "

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I had to have 4 units of blood replaced after my bilateral TKR

Donating my blood pre op wasn't even a consideration as most people

with RA are anaemic or have low iron stores anyway.

I have to have surgery on Monday and my hb is only 10 and my iron

stores are in there boots so I hope for my sake they don't hold off on the blood transfusion

as I find it takes a long time for me to get it back up where it belongs even with

iron supplements

I think that with the extensive testing that goes on with blood transfusions these

days it does not worry me in the slightest whose blood I get but remember people we know

may not always be honest about what they have been up to in their past lives

-- Re: Why stay in the hospital?

No. The only reason I donated one at all was because

I was having both done at the same time. Turns out

they didn't use it till the 2nd day. Actually I didn't

even need it but they thought well as long as I donated it they might as well put it back in.. I

am almost sure they will recycle your own blood

during surgery but yeah I'd donate one but do it

at least a week before surgery.

Sherry

Re: Why stay in the hospital?

In a message dated 8/25/2006 12:57:11 P.M. Central Standard Time, meuwwhidbey writes:

Another reason you stay in the hospital is you have a couple of small drains in you leg and they monitor the blood that is collected. When the drains are removed tit doesn't hurt though. You also wear those ted stockings and they will remove them to see how your legs are. Clotting is one thing they watch closely for.On Aug 25, 2006, at 10:29 AM, Elaine Poage wrote:

See with my back fusion they had the blood draining into this little ball thing, and with my knees they pumped it back into me somehow.

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The problem with blood transfusions is that sometimes

the hospitals are a little misguided in who they give it to

I have seen young mothers discharged home with a very low

hb and yet they will give a transfusion to a little ol

lady who lives in a nursing home...............Go figure

-- Re: Why stay in the hospital?

I had to donate 2 the first surgery but on the second one I asked him

why I couldn't let my body make it up if I needed it. He said fine and

I didn't need it either time.

On Aug 25, 2006, at 5:33 PM, Ann wrote:

> I am planning to donate, but do you think I should donate 2?

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> Ann

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>> Re: Why stay in the hospital?

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>>>>> In a message dated 8/25/2006 12:57:11 P.M. Central Standard Time,

>>>>> meuw@... writes:

>>>>>> Another reason you stay in the hospital is you have a couple of

>>>>>> small

>>>>>> drains in you leg and they monitor the blood that is collected.Â

>>>>>> When

>>>>>> the drains are removed tit doesn't hurt though. You also wear

>>>>>> those

>>>>>> ted stockings and they will remove them to see how your legs are.Â

>>>>>> Clotting is one thing they watch closely for.

>>>>>> On Aug 25, 2006, at 10:29 AM, Elaine Poage wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>> Â Â Â See with my back fusion they had the blood draining into this

>>>>> little ball thing, and with my knees they pumped it back into me

>>>>> somehow. Â

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>>>>>

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"the church is not suppose to be a country club for the saints, but

rather a hospital for the sinner. "

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I have the opposite problem...my blood is to rich. I

used to fry in cast iron cookware. I had to get rid of

it because it makes your blood high in iron. I

tossed out my aluminum stuff because aluminum

is one of the direct causes of Alzheimer's. It's stainless

for me all the way.

Sherry

Re: Why stay in the hospital?

In a message dated 8/25/2006 12:57:11 P.M. Central Standard Time, meuwwhidbey writes:

Another reason you stay in the hospital is you have a couple of small drains in you leg and they monitor the blood that is collected. When the drains are removed tit doesn't hurt though. You also wear those ted stockings and they will remove them to see how your legs are. Clotting is one thing they watch closely for.On Aug 25, 2006, at 10:29 AM, Elaine Poage wrote:

See with my back fusion they had the blood draining into this little ball thing, and with my knees they pumped it back into me somehow.

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Yes, it's the same Red Cross. As I said, it is not my intention to offend or upset anyone, but there are lots of folks out there, and maybe some reading this thread who need someone else's blood. For whatever reason, they must rely on the RC for that service. Why scare them to death when they already face a pretty serious surgery. You know, we're each entitled to our own opinion. Peace!"S.A.M." <blueopal@...> wrote: Is this the

same Red Cross that allowed prisoners to donate blood after Clinton passed some order on it and a lot of HIV infected blood got into the system. They tried to cover it up but thankfully a whistle blower exposed it. I would never donate one dime to the RC for yet different reasons. Sherry Re: Why stay in the hospital? In a message dated 8/25/2006 12:57:11 P.M. Central Standard Time, meuwwhidbey writes: Another reason you stay in the hospital is you have a couple of small drains in you leg and they monitor the blood that is collected. When the drains are removed tit doesn't hurt though. You also wear those ted stockings and they will remove them to see how your legs

are. Clotting is one thing they watch closely for.On Aug 25, 2006, at 10:29 AM, Elaine Poage wrote: See with my back fusion they had the blood draining into this little ball thing, and with my knees they pumped it back into me somehow. Do you ?Get on board. You're invited to try the new . __________________________________________________

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Re: Why stay in the hospital?

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> In a message dated 8/25/2006 12:57:11 P.M. Central Standard Time,

>>>>> meuwwhidbey writes:

>>>>>> Another reason you stay in the hospital is you have a couple of

>>>>>> small

>>>>>> drains in you leg and they monitor the blood that is collected.Â

>>>>>> When

>>>>>> the drains are removed tit doesn't hurt though. You also wear

>>>>>> those

>>>>>> ted stockings and they will remove them to see how your legs are.Â

>>>>>> Clotting is one thing they watch closely for.

>>>>>> On Aug 25, 2006, at 10:29 AM, Elaine Poage wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>> Â Â Â See with my back fusion they had the blood draining into this

>>>>> little ball thing, and with my knees they pumped it back into me

>>>>> somehow. Â

>>>>>

>>>>>

>

"the church is not suppose to be a country club for the saints, but

rather a hospital for the sinner. "

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The blood thing was years ago when Clinton was in

office but I just hate the RD for the corruption going

on in it. There are other places where you can donate

blood. The hospital might let you depending on your

insurance...that is a story in itself...AARRGG insurance

companies..jeez.

Sherry

Re: Why stay in the hospital?

In a message dated 8/25/2006 12:57:11 P.M. Central Standard Time, meuwwhidbey writes:

Another reason you stay in the hospital is you have a couple of small drains in you leg and they monitor the blood that is collected. When the drains are removed tit doesn't hurt though. You also wear those ted stockings and they will remove them to see how your legs are. Clotting is one thing they watch closely for.On Aug 25, 2006, at 10:29 AM, Elaine Poage wrote:

See with my back fusion they had the blood draining into this little ball thing, and with my knees they pumped it back into me somehow.

Do you ?Get on board. You're invited to try the new .

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Thanks for telling me about your experience. I'm curious -- what caused you to need 2 TSRs? I have bad shoulders too.

Ann

Why stay in the hospital?> > > > Does anyone know what the purpose of staying in the hospital for 3-4 days is? Do they want to make sure you don't get an infection? Are you so out of it w/pain drugs they can't let you go? Is it because you get a lot of PT while you're there? Is it for the PMM? Is it so they can be sure you walk a certain amt? Bleeding? Clots? All of the above?> > Thanks.> > Ann>

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Well said, Bob....thanks! Laneknow_jack <know_jack@...> wrote: Yes, it's the same Red Cross! The same Red Cross that existed decades before Clinton was born & made it possible for me to have several surgeries back in the 1980's....(you never win an argument with the ground)...HIV is horrible!,,,I've had several friends die!,,, & I myself was in danger from a surgery in Chicago in 1982(When HIV was just beginning to be recognized by the medical community)But I

continue to give blood to the Red Cross...Why?...Because somewhere, someone, might need it!No Organization will ever be perfect....But for Pete's sake,,,<sigh>BobP.S...If my rant offends anyone, well, I really don't care..Feel free to e-mail me at know_jack if you have a different opinion...But please, let the politics go.....Clinton left office years ago...Blood is still being donated & people's lives are still being saved...>> Yes, it's the same Red Cross.

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Life would be pretty boring if everyone agreed on

everything.

Sherry

Re: Re: Why stay in the hospital?

Well said, Bob....thanks!

Laneknow_jack <know_jack > wrote:

Yes, it's the same Red Cross! The same Red Cross that existed decades before Clinton was born & made it possible for me to have several surgeries back in the 1980's....(you never win an argument with the ground)...HIV is horrible!,,,I've had several friends die!,,, & I myself was in danger from a surgery in Chicago in 1982(When HIV was just beginning to be recognized by the medical community)But I continue to give blood to the Red Cross...Why?...Because somewhere, someone, might need it!No Organization will ever be perfect....But for Pete's sake,,,<sigh>BobP.S...If my rant offends anyone, well, I really don't care..Feel free to e-mail me at know_jack if you have a different opinion...But please, let the politics go.....Clinton left office years ago...Blood is still being donated & people's lives are still being saved...>> Yes, it's the same Red Cross.

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I'm not a doctor, or a physiologist, but it seems to me that if they put blood into you when you don't need it, it would increase your BP and risk of clotting (less room for more RBC's). Anybody?

Ann

Re: Why stay in the hospital?

In a message dated 8/25/2006 12:57:11 P.M. Central Standard Time, meuwwhidbey writes:

Another reason you stay in the hospital is you have a couple of small drains in you leg and they monitor the blood that is collected. When the drains are removed tit doesn't hurt though. You also wear those ted stockings and they will remove them to see how your legs are. Clotting is one thing they watch closely for.On Aug 25, 2006, at 10:29 AM, Elaine Poage wrote:

See with my back fusion they had the blood draining into this little ball thing, and with my knees they pumped it back into me somehow.

[Guest guest]

Yeah I thought of that too. I should donate blood

monthly but I get such a bad reaction and have to

lay down for a couple hours. Weird.

Sherry

Re: Why stay in the hospital?

In a message dated 8/25/2006 12:57:11 P.M. Central Standard Time, meuwwhidbey writes:

Another reason you stay in the hospital is you have a couple of small drains in you leg and they monitor the blood that is collected. When the drains are removed tit doesn't hurt though. You also wear those ted stockings and they will remove them to see how your legs are. Clotting is one thing they watch closely for.On Aug 25, 2006, at 10:29 AM, Elaine Poage wrote:

See with my back fusion they had the blood draining into this little ball thing, and with my knees they pumped it back into me somehow.

[Guest guest]

There is another Sherry on the list spelled with an ie

at the end rather than a y.

Sherry

Re: Why stay in the hospital?

Hi Sherry,Yes, life would be very boring!...And who needs 'boring'...It's much more fun to hear opinions that differ from mine, because it forces me to re-evaluate what I feel/think/take for granted....Keeping in mind, of course, that anyone who disagrees with me must, obviously, be mistaken....Or not!!!...:-)I'm going serious here for a moment,,,,I've been reading your 'threads', & you've been giving some wonderful advice,,,Thanks!Bob>> Life would be pretty boring if everyone agreed on> everything.> > Sherry

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In a message dated 8/27/2006 1:24:05 A.M. Central Standard Time, mdavison@... writes:

I wondered about that.

Sorry to burst the bubble of those of you who think that if you donate your blood before surgery, that's the particular pint they use in surgery-- it doesn't always happen that way. Different hospitals have different policies-- if it's important to you that you receive a transfusion of the blood you donated personally, and no other, ask at the hospital if that's their policy. I understand the fears of people "catching" HIV, Hepatitis B or C, or another blood-transmitted disease, but any medical institution using human blood has to test for these things before use... in fact, in the US, they have to make and confirm the tests before the blood is credited for the surgery-- that's the law.

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Hi I am the Sherrie with the IE"S.A.M." <blueopal@...> wrote: There is another Sherry on the list spelled with an ie at the end rather than a y. Sherry Re: Why stay in the hospital? Hi Sherry,Yes, life would be very

boring!...And who needs 'boring'...It's much more fun to hear opinions that differ from mine, because it forces me to re-evaluate what I feel/think/take for granted....Keeping in mind, of course, that anyone who disagrees with me must, obviously, be mistaken....Or not!!!...:-)I'm going serious here for a moment,,,,I've been reading your 'threads', & you've been giving some wonderful advice,,,Thanks!Bob>> Life would be pretty boring if everyone agreed on> everything.> > Sherry God bless all our heros PMSM LCPL JOSH India 2nd plt.

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The platelets still need something to break against. One of the reasons they take your blood pressure so often after surgery (it seemed like they were at it every hour on the hour, the first day or so), is to monitor the need for a blood transfusion. As I said, I went through 2 surgeries, and didn't receive one drop in transfusions... and a lot of people don't need them.

Of course, other than the orthopedic problem, my doctors have described me over the years as "disgustingly healthy"... meaning that if there were more people like me, they'd never be able to make a living. Neither can the pharmaceutical companies-- other than the first night after surgery, I took no painkillers at all, even after the worst PT sessions. Just lucky, I guess...

Greywolf - RTHR-2003; LTHR-2004

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From: Joint Replacement [mailto:Joint Replacement ] On Behalf Of Ann Sent: 27 August, 2006 8:59 PMJoint Replacement Subject: Re: Why stay in the hospital?

I know about platelets & clotting fibrinogen, but isn't it true that the more blood you have circulating, the more likely it is to clot? And whole blood does contain platelets.

Ann

RE: Why stay in the hospital?

First of all, it's the platelets, and not the red blood cells that cause clotting. When a platelet collides with a rough surface (such as a scrape or cut), it breaks, releasing fibrinogen, which is the catalyst for clotting.

Your blood pressure is one of the signs the medical staff use to decide if you need a transfusion or not.

I went through 2 separate hip operations, and didn't need the blood donated (2 pints)... the two pints were "credited" from the first surgery to the second, because they weren't needed-- when they weren't needed for the second, either, they remained as part of the blood insurance plan for my family until the end of the second year after surgery (another advantage of socialized medicine in Israel-- you can make blood donations annually, and insure your family members for the same quantity).

Sorry to burst the bubble of those of you who think that if you donate your blood before surgery, that's the particular pint they use in surgery-- it doesn't always happen that way. Different hospitals have different policies-- if it's important to you that you receive a transfusion of the blood you donated personally, and no other, ask at the hospital if that's their policy. I understand the fears of people "catching" HIV, Hepatitis B or C, or another blood-transmitted disease, but any medical institution using human blood has to test for these things before use... in fact, in the US, they have to make and confirm the tests before the blood is credited for the surgery-- that's the law.

For those who were so surprised at the idea of autotransfusion (returning the blood from your surgery to your body), this had become standard practice in recent years, not only due to the risk of the cross-infections mentioned above, but also because of compatibility issues. When I was in school we learned about bloot types and Rh positive and negative... nowadays there are 12 or more antigen, antibodi and cell factors that are tested, too, so compatibility issues arise, even when the blood type is the same.

Greywolf - RTHR-2003; LTHR-2004

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From: Joint Replacement [mailto:Joint Replacement ] On Behalf Of Ann Sent: 26 August, 2006 11:30 PMJoint Replacement Subject: Re: Why stay in the hospital?

I'm not a doctor, or a physiologist, but it seems to me that if they put blood into you when you don't need it, it would increase your BP and risk of clotting (less room for more RBC's). Anybody?

Ann

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