Re: Let's Fish- concerning Social Security

[Guest guest]

You're probably right, y, minds won't be changed.

At the risk of sounding pedantic, people tend to perceive things as

they aare set to see them, as they were taught to see them, as their

deeply ingrained value system tells them to see things. Also we tend

to share the opinions of people that we would like to be like, even

though we aren't like them, and may never be.

Famous stars are a good example. Why is Charlton Heston the

spokesmouth of the NRA? Probably because there are people that will

accept his point of view because he is Charlton Heston, not

necessarily because he speaks in a logical fashion.

The right wing speaks out all the time. Fox Network still lives.

Perhaps it's time the left wing in the US to stop being so diplomatic

(and frightened!) The Democrats in recent years seem to mouth the same

nonsense as those on the right.

Europeans were born in a similar manner to Americans, from women who

were fertilized by men, and so were Canadians. But their ways of

perceiving " social benefits " is completely different. Why is that? I

hesitate to say for fear that I would be interpreted as being

anti-American, which I'm not. I found while living in the US that it

isn't alway easy to express values that are different from those also

who express different opinions.

However, I would like to see " my people " investigate issues more

deeply before forming fixed judgments. Why didn't Germany and France

leap blindly into the Irak morasse? They wanted more information. Were

they right or wrong? Your answer depends on many things.

One question that could be asked, if people were willing to listen to

the response, is " Who is like to benefit and who possibly receive less

benefit from a national health plan in the US? "

I've lived several years in countries other than the US, although I

lived most of my life in the US, and I find comparing attitudes toward

government responsibilty an interesting pasttime.

May your gods bless you.

Staninfrance

(More worms?)

> > > In a message dated 7/20/2004 12:42:10 PM Central Standard Time,

> > > Suzeegrape@a... writes:

> > > But no, I have to pay 16 percent of my income to social

> > > security. Freedom is relative.

> > > _____

> > > The time will come when you have Medicare and can't work and I

> > suspect you'll

> > > be very happy to have social security paid up.

> > > y

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[Guest guest]

Bem

If I had three children, I could share my love with all three, could

I not?

Isn't it possible to share one's love for more than one country?

Does it mean that if I like certain things about Germany or France

that I don't have room to like the U.S.

As Americans, don't we have the right to express opinions without

being accused of not liking America? To like something is not a

like or hate situation. There are lots of degrees in between, aren't

there, Ben?

By the way, WW II was a long time ago. A lot of things have changed

since then.

What do you mean by my " diatribe. " I find your use of that word

interesting.

As Bertrand once said, " When talks about , we

often learn more about than we do . "

(I like both and , okay, Ben?)

Peace, Big Ben.

Staninfr, the worm-can opener

> > > > In a message dated 7/20/2004 12:42:10 PM Central Standard

Time,

> > > > Suzeegrape@a... writes:

> > > > But no, I have to pay 16 percent of my income to social

> > > > security. Freedom is relative.

> > > > _____

> > > > The time will come when you have Medicare and can't work

and I

> > > suspect you'll

> > > > be very happy to have social security paid up.

> > > > y

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

y

The one good thing a side bar from the topic gives you is the chance

to forget about joint replacements. Takes the mind away. Makes you

realize there is more to life. Makes you think, gets the brain

moving and the blood flowing.

Now lets all play nicely and give a big group {{{{hug}}}!

Sue

> In a message dated 7/22/2004 1:58:36 AM Central Standard Time,

> sagebush2020@y... writes:

> Isn't it possible to share one's love for more than one country?

> Does it mean that if I like certain things about Germany or France

> that I don't have room to like the U.S.

> ______

> Folks......you're getting political and getting into side arguments

that have

> nothing to do with total joints. This is what happens to most

email lists

> that are for a particular purpose. i'd like to suggest that we

police ourselves

> a bit and not do this.

> y

[Guest guest]

I agree y.

I suggested on another post a hippie site for people who want to talk

about hippie and non-hippie topics.

Neutrally yours,

staninfr

> Folks......you're getting political and getting into side arguments

that have

> nothing to do with total joints. This is what happens to most email

lists

> that are for a particular purpose. i'd like to suggest that we

police ourselves

> a bit and not do this.

> y