Re: CPhT vs RPhT

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In a message dated 3/25/2007 7:53:15 P.M. Central Standard Time,

rxjeanne@... writes:

Just out of curositiy; when did RPhT or RPh come into play? I have

interviewed quite a few technicians using those abbreviations behind

their names...

The people that I have interviewed with RPhT and or RPh are not

nationally certified. They said that they use this title because they

are registerd with the state board of pharmacy. I am told that the

instructors at the tech schools who teaches the class in resume writing

to do that.

What are your thoughts on this?

RPh is a Pharmacist. RPhT is someone that is Registered with a state bit may

or may not hold a Cert. Some states do not require a cert to become

Registered. Some do not require a pharm Tech to keep his cert as long as they

stay

registered in that state.

Wohlers CPhT and RPhT Texas

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The initials RPh - is for Registered Pharmacist. All practicing Pharmacists

must be registered. You will have RPh, which is used by Pharmacists that have

a BS in Pharmacy, PharmD is used by doctorate degree (they are also RPh, but

PharmD has a " higher " level recognition).

CPhT is " owned " by the PTCB. Only " certified " technicians that have taken

the PTCB exam should be using these initials.

RPhT is not a " standard " , but seems to going in that direction - as each

state veries, we are seeing differing ways for identifiying technicians. I

understand RPhT to be a state registered technician, so I guess technically, you

might see a CPhT, RPhT.

Hope this helps -

Anne LaVance, BS, CPhT

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Jeanetta,

I will do my best to locate where on the PTCB site I found the info that

they " own " CPhT. I stumbled on it when I was looking for information on

something else. I have a hard time finding anything twice since they " updated "

the

site - very confusing!!

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I had asked this question to someone involved with the ExCPT exam, but they

wouldn't respond. More and more alphabet soup and more and more confusion

when the field needs cohesion.

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Dear Jeanne,

In the state of California this does not fly so well with me. My students ARE

required to take the PTCB exam. So most are CPhT. But some are not. I have no

problem with recognizing that a tech in CA MUST be registered. But it does not

truly mean a thing 'special' , since ALL techs MUST be registered in CA.

But NOT all techs MUST be CPhT. So NOW I look at this as a DEMOTION from a

CPhT!!! If I was working with someone who was NOT a CPhT, ther badge better NOT

say CPhT on it. But it could say RPhT. Now since a pharmacist badge always says

RPhm it unfortunately may look like to the public that RPhT is higher than a

CPhT and M'AY be misinterpreted by the public to mean registered pharmacist.

You know about sound and look alike drugs? Well this is a look and sound alike

title that I think is a legal disaster waiting to happen.

Personally I think the designation should be: PT and CPhT in the state of CA

because BOTH are and MUST be 'registered', otherwise we need: RPhT and CRPhT or

RPhT and RCPhT Hee! Not to confuse you further.

Jeanetta's opinion: " When in doubt leave it out: Drop the R add the C. "

NOW in other states that do not require registration the designation should be

PT and CPhT.

Since have only knowledge of what is happening in about 10 states and an

overview of the rest, I am SURE we shall hear from other members from other

states that have legal REASONS for the designation of RPhT

By the way RPh is Registered Pharmacist NOT tech and is in EVERY state.

Pharmacists MUST be licensed and registered in order to work in any state and

must do so in every state that they plan to work in. They may be licensed and

registered in more than one state at the same time. BUT we don't see the

designations with the letter " L' BECAUSE it would mean NOTHING, since ALL

pharmacists must be licenesed, meaning they passed a test after greaduating from

an approved and accredited pharmacy school (college). In order to become

registered in any state one must show proof or graduation from

approved/accredited shcool of pharm AND show proof of passing the licensing

exams for that particular state and therefore licensed. THEN assuming the

applicant meets other criteria (fingerprints background check etc ) he/she will

be registered. NO pharmacy may hire a pharmacist who is licensed but not

registered. Once again licensing means little in designation titles.

Just like certification means nothing in registration of technicians in the

state of California, except if this is the way you choose to qualify for

registration. Education from an approved/accredited pharm tech school/program

is a second option for qualifying for resgistration. Again NO pharmacy in the

state of CA may hire a person who is certified only they MUST be registered.

Thanks Jeane, I know you know the state of CA law, but others reading this do

not. And it is important when we talk about stuff like this that we post that

particular state law so that we can understand the implications and legalities.

A very pertinant question .

Respectfully,

Jeanetta Mastron CPhT BS

Pharm Tech Educator

Founder/Owner

Respectfully,

Jeanetta Mastron CPhT BS

rxjeanne <rxjeanne@...> wrote: Just out

of curositiy; when did RPhT or RPh come into play? I have

interviewed quite a few technicians using those abbreviations behind

their names...

The people that I have interviewed with RPhT and or RPh are not

nationally certified. They said that they use this title because they

are registerd with the state board of pharmacy. I am told that the

instructors at the tech schools who teaches the class in resume writing

to do that.

What are your thoughts on this?

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This is correct information.

Jeanetta Mastron CPhT BS

Pharm Tech Educator

Founder/owner of this site

donpieter@... wrote:

In a message dated 3/25/2007 7:53:15 P.M. Central Standard Time,

rxjeanne@... writes:

Just out of curositiy; when did RPhT or RPh come into play? I have

interviewed quite a few technicians using those abbreviations behind

their names...

The people that I have interviewed with RPhT and or RPh are not

nationally certified. They said that they use this title because they

are registerd with the state board of pharmacy. I am told that the

instructors at the tech schools who teaches the class in resume writing

to do that.

What are your thoughts on this?

RPh is a Pharmacist. RPhT is someone that is Registered with a state bit may

or may not hold a Cert. Some states do not require a cert to become

Registered. Some do not require a pharm Tech to keep his cert as long as they

stay

registered in that state.

Wohlers CPhT and RPhT Texas

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Thanks Jeanetta;

Those are exactly my thoughts! Yes, being in california, I am shocked

when I see these resumes come through that way. Since when did our BOP

give us that title? I was a bit surprised that it came from the

schools that we use that and my argument with them is that yes we are

registered, but the BOP didn't give us that option to do that, when we

take the PTCB we are privileged to use CPhT with our names.

I do know what RPh stands for, but the new grad students coming from

the tech schools are using this abbreviation and I tell the schools

that it is very misleading to the employer as they are thinking that

these students are Registered Pharmacists.

Thanks all for your opinions!

Jeanne

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Dear Ann TEXPERT,

While you and were typing short answers I was typing my long desertation

to this question.

I have no problem in what you are saying. HOWEVER it has been pointed out that

CPHT is not OWNED by PTCB in other posts, including that of PTEC.

Am I wrong? There are FOUR exams out there that certify technicians. States have

the RIGHT to choose and implement the certifying test of their choice. AND in

fact one state comes to mind that chooses to allow techs to take EITHER of two

different exams: Oregon if I am not mistaken (TRISHA - HELP me out here!) the

two tests that will certify a pharmacy tech in the state of Oregon are:

ExCPT and PTCB. Any tech who passes either one of the two exams may then apply

to the Oregon state board of pharmacy and assuming all other requiements are met

he or seh would then become a registered certified pharmacy technician who MAY

definietly bear (or bare? never knew which is correct), the title CPhT or

CERTIFIED PHARMACY TECHNICIAN.

While as an educator you or we or others may want a standard exam, until the

states agree on one exam for techs there is going to be a possibility and

reality that states will choose what ever exam they want. A perfectexample is

that of RPh licensing exams varied state to state until finally CA caved in in

2004 to allow NAPLEX to be its licensing exam. The only exam that is different

is the jurisprudence exam.

Sorry to say that unitl NABP can get all states to ratify an approval of ONE

exam ANY state can impose ANY exam to be its qualifying exam for the title of

CPhT UNLESS there is some law or patent on the words " certified " that I am not

aware of and has recently been brought forward to prove otherwise.

PLEASE show me any source of information that shows that PTCB 'owns' CPhT.

When I see it in writing I will profusly admit I am incorrect and apologize for

giving out incorrect information. But until then I have only REALITY that techs

in Oregon may take the ExCPT and become certified pharmacy technicians who may

then apply to become registered and may wear a tag that says CPhT on it.

I do not beleive this exists. I would love for there to be ONE standard exam and

a standard nationalized curriculum, but the truth of the matter is there is NOT

at this time.

With RESPECT for you and all that you do,

With LOVE for you as my colleague and friend,

I hope that you CAN prove this to me so that we can at least have a standard

on what the title means, even though it would mean I am wrong, it would be a

small victory in the technician world,

Please know that this was difficult thing for me to write. But as you know I am

for posting the correct informaton.

Desperately Seeking the Truth on 'CPhT', believing I already have it...

Jeanetta Mastron CPhT BS

Pharm Tech Educator

Founder/Owner of this site

InstructorCPhT@... wrote: The initials RPh

- is for Registered Pharmacist. All practicing Pharmacists

must be registered. You will have RPh, which is used by Pharmacists that have

a BS in Pharmacy, PharmD is used by doctorate degree (they are also RPh, but

PharmD has a " higher " level recognition).

CPhT is " owned " by the PTCB. Only " certified " technicians that have taken

the PTCB exam should be using these initials.

RPhT is not a " standard " , but seems to going in that direction - as each

state veries, we are seeing differing ways for identifiying technicians. I

understand RPhT to be a state registered technician, so I guess technically,

you

might see a CPhT, RPhT.

Hope this helps -

Anne LaVance, BS, CPhT

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Jeanne, I KNEW this was you, but I just had to type itall out for others who are

not CA techs to know our law and how it makes NO damn sense.

I BACK you on this one ALL the way baby!

You can always tell when something gets my goat or as my moderator Dora always

says 'chaps my hide', when I answer in a VERY Long form.

This is NOT acceptable to me. and YOU if YOU can do anything about this I will

help you all I can. It is going to be a law suit one day in CA when a little old

lady or young male pt comes to a window and accepts the information that a tech

gvies as that from a pharmacist BECAUSE the TAG says RPhT and looks similar to

RPh.

PERSONALLY I do not believe that BOP knows anything about this. It is not seen

down here much in Southern CA , but it will get here sure as birds fly south!

But unfortunately I knew it was happening in other states and in northern CA

where you are at. I feel it is the 'TRIP' of the schools and educators who do

not require PTCB from their students. They want their students to have . some

special title because they are NOT CPhT and to 'sell' the idea of having some

initial behind their names when they graduate!!! Well they do! PT PLAIN old

fashioned PT !!! Add California to that and you have California Pharmacy

Technician WOW what do you know ? isn't that CPhT????? Frick, what is it going

to take???

Let me know if you want to start a chain letter or campaigne! YOU are the only

one I know who could make this happen.

Thanks for letting me rant and rave on my own site!

Jeanetta Mastron Certified by PTCB as a CPhT BS in Chemistry from Chapman

College Registered in the State of California Pharmacy Techncician Educator

rxjeanne <rxjeanne@...> wrote: Thanks

Jeanetta;

Those are exactly my thoughts! Yes, being in california, I am shocked

when I see these resumes come through that way. Since when did our BOP

give us that title? I was a bit surprised that it came from the

schools that we use that and my argument with them is that yes we are

registered, but the BOP didn't give us that option to do that, when we

take the PTCB we are privileged to use CPhT with our names.

I do know what RPh stands for, but the new grad students coming from

the tech schools are using this abbreviation and I tell the schools

that it is very misleading to the employer as they are thinking that

these students are Registered Pharmacists.

Thanks all for your opinions!

Jeanne

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RPh is bad as that's the pharmacist abbreviation! I

have no problem with RPhT. I've worked with a few

techs who used PhT after thier name. I've never had

that issue as I took the PCTB a month or two before I

finished my schooling.

--- rxjeanne <rxjeanne@...> wrote:

Just out of curositiy; when did RPhT or RPh come into

play? I have interviewed quite a few technicians

using those abbreviations behind their names...

The people that I have interviewed with RPhT and or

RPh are not nationally certified. They said that they

use this title because they are registerd with the

state board of pharmacy. I

> am told that the

> instructors at the tech schools who teaches the

> class in resume writing

> to do that.

>

> What are your thoughts on this?

>

>

>

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Thank you Anne,

I will when I see it in black and white write a letter to all Oregon techs who

have chosen to take ExCPT thqta they are in fact NOT certifed pharmacy

technicians and therefore do not qualify as Oregon pharm techs. (:jest).

Of course I will apologize to you.

If you find this, then what? What of all who have taken another exam?

I personally do not think that anyone owns the right to a general statement of

'certified'.

But I too will do all I can to find this and get to the bottom of this.

Dora, Jeanne, Karin, other TEXPERTS anyone HELP! on this

Love ya

Jeanetta Mastron CPhT BS

Founder/Owner

InstructorCPhT@... wrote: Jeanetta,

I will do my best to locate where on the PTCB site I found the info that

they " own " CPhT. I stumbled on it when I was looking for information on

something else. I have a hard time finding anything twice since they

" updated " the

site - very confusing!!

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Yeah Karin, it may work in WA but not in CA. You see in CA becauase of the

change in law in 2004 one can go to school or pass the PTCB to get registered.

MOST pharmacists want an educated tech with experience. That is an educated tech

in CA due to externship. But they do not have to pass PTCB. So when all is said

and done by LAW the educated registered tech is equal to a registered PTCB

certifed tech which is equal to an educated PTCB certified tech.

By COMPARISON and EXPERIENCE and EVIDENCE BASED PRACTICE

this is JUST not true.

CA Techs who get registered by studying on their own and pass PTCB who have the

CPhT title who have never touched a syringe or cleaned a hood or washed their

hands aseptically, read a real Rx, taken a real drug off the shelf, spoken to a

real pt, typed up a real label, compounded a real IV or ointment or eye drop etc

etc etc are just NOT equal to the registered tech who has doen the above and

more who has not taken the PTCB exam and is not a CPhT. They never will be until

they get as much experience and education. Likewise neither of them compare to

the registered educated tech with experience via an externship who has passed

the PTCB and has CPhT title.

Therefore RPhT in CA is meaningless and if anything should be changed to PT or

Ca RPhT or something to denote they are different from a CPhT who has NO formal

education. CCRPhT or CRPhT??? California Certified Registered Pharmacy

Technician or Califronia Registered Pharmacy Technician. Better yet, how about

CAERPhT California Educatted Registered Pharmacy Technician

and CAECRPhT California Educated Certifed Registered Pharmacy Technician???

Jeanne you getting this? The real problem is this? How does a n educated ONLY

tech show off his education when the initials after his /her name are only

PT or PhT when a certified ONLY tech shows off as CPhT? This is the problem and

apparently WHY schools are threatened by CPhT title. Whar title can they SELL

their students?

Forme the question is IF I am a pharmacist interviewing OR working with a tech

HOW can I tell who is educated only, certified only or educated AND certified

without a resume in front of me???

And how can I make sure that the public does NOT get confused and think they are

talking to the pharmacist on duty (me).

It is a BIG problem waiting to EXPLODE in CA.

Thanks for you input Karin,

I had just posted for you opinion and your post was already up.

Got any more input in this?

Jeanetta

karin h <hockeykatbird_27@...> wrote: RPh

is bad as that's the pharmacist abbreviation! I

have no problem with RPhT. I've worked with a few

techs who used PhT after thier name. I've never had

that issue as I took the PCTB a month or two before I

finished my schooling.

--- rxjeanne <rxjeanne@...> wrote:

Just out of curositiy; when did RPhT or RPh come into

play? I have interviewed quite a few technicians

using those abbreviations behind their names...

The people that I have interviewed with RPhT and or

RPh are not nationally certified. They said that they

use this title because they are registerd with the

state board of pharmacy. I

> am told that the

> instructors at the tech schools who teaches the

> class in resume writing

> to do that.

>

> What are your thoughts on this?

>

>

>

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Absolutely!

What is the PTEC position on this?

Jeanetta JUST PLAIN JEANETTA on this topic

InstructorCPhT@... wrote: I had asked this

question to someone involved with the ExCPT exam, but they

wouldn't respond. More and more alphabet soup and more and more confusion

when the field needs cohesion.

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In re-reading this I got the perfect titles the we in Ca should propose:

CARCPhT for those who have taken the PTCB exam and are CA registered.

Californian Registered Certified Pharmacy Technician

CAREPhT for those who " cared enough " to go to school and are registered

California Registered Educated Pharmacy Technician

And

CARECPhT for those who cared enough to go to school and have voluntarily taken

and passed the PTCB exam

California Registered Educated Certified Pharmacy Technician

Since Registered and California is in every title lets remove them. Kind of like

math: find the lowest common denominator.

CARCPhT becomes = CPhT

CAREPhT becomes = EPhT

CARECPhT becomes = ECPhT or CEPhT

I vote for CEPhT because on a tag most of the public will not get confused with

CPhT and CEPhT because they BOTH begin with a C

NOW we will then hear from those who are ONLY certifed and see what THEY have to

YELL about.

What do you think Jeanne? Try selling this idea to the schools to put on their

resumes begin a new WAVE!

Jeanetta, JUST plain JEANETTA

Jeanetta Mastron <rxjm2002@...> wrote:

Yeah Karin, it may work in WA but not in CA. You see in CA becauase of the

change in law in 2004 one can go to school or pass the PTCB to get registered.

MOST pharmacists want an educated tech with experience. That is an educated

tech in CA due to externship. But they do not have to pass PTCB. So when all

is said and done by LAW the educated registered tech is equal to a registered

PTCB certifed tech which is equal to an educated PTCB certified tech.

By COMPARISON and EXPERIENCE and EVIDENCE BASED PRACTICE

this is JUST not true.

CA Techs who get registered by studying on their own and pass PTCB who have the

CPhT title who have never touched a syringe or cleaned a hood or washed their

hands aseptically, read a real Rx, taken a real drug off the shelf, spoken to a

real pt, typed up a real label, compounded a real IV or ointment or eye drop etc

etc etc are just NOT equal to the registered tech who has doen the above and

more who has not taken the PTCB exam and is not a CPhT. They never will be until

they get as much experience and education. Likewise neither of them compare to

the registered educated tech with experience via an externship who has passed

the PTCB and has CPhT title.

Therefore RPhT in CA is meaningless and if anything should be changed to PT or

Ca RPhT or something to denote they are different from a CPhT who has NO formal

education. CCRPhT or CRPhT??? California Certified Registered Pharmacy

Technician or Califronia Registered Pharmacy Technician. Better yet, how about

CAERPhT California Educatted Registered Pharmacy Technician

and CAECRPhT California Educated Certifed Registered Pharmacy Technician???

Jeanne you getting this? The real problem is this? How does a n educated ONLY

tech show off his education when the initials after his /her name are only

PT or PhT when a certified ONLY tech shows off as CPhT? This is the problem and

apparently WHY schools are threatened by CPhT title. Whar title can they SELL

their students?

Forme the question is IF I am a pharmacist interviewing OR working with a tech

HOW can I tell who is educated only, certified only or educated AND certified

without a resume in front of me???

And how can I make sure that the public does NOT get confused and think they

are talking to the pharmacist on duty (me).

It is a BIG problem waiting to EXPLODE in CA.

Thanks for you input Karin,

I had just posted for you opinion and your post was already up.

Got any more input in this?

Jeanetta

karin h <hockeykatbird_27@...> wrote:

RPh is bad as that's the pharmacist abbreviation! I

have no problem with RPhT. I've worked with a few

techs who used PhT after thier name. I've never had

that issue as I took the PCTB a month or two before I

finished my schooling.

--- rxjeanne <rxjeanne@...> wrote:

Just out of curositiy; when did RPhT or RPh come into

play? I have interviewed quite a few technicians

using those abbreviations behind their names...

The people that I have interviewed with RPhT and or

RPh are not nationally certified. They said that they

use this title because they are registerd with the

state board of pharmacy. I

> am told that the

> instructors at the tech schools who teaches the

> class in resume writing

> to do that.

>

> What are your thoughts on this?

>

>

>

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Jeanetta~

Yep it's me...jeanne.

Any hoo...I hope I didn't offend anyone outside of california as

reading through this post, it seems that outside of california, it

might be the norm? But as Jeanetta said..not here in california. I

strongly agree with you on this Jeanetta and the schools that I sit

on the advisory board has heard me loud and clear...not to change the

subject but not only are they using this abbreviations...let me add

this...

To obtain a position as a

Pharmacology Technologist

Pharmacy Technologist

You know me Jeanetta...they heard an earfull when the started to get

fancy like that...

With your school Jeanetta, I am sure that you guys teach them the

proper way of resume writing, but if you are in my seat and seeing

them when they graduate it is too funny. I have them coming to me in

short short short and I mean really short skirts, flip flops, shorts

to their interviews.

Sorry if I opened up a sore subject, but I was beginning to wonder if

I missed something when it came to abbreviations.

Jeanne

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Dear Jeanne,

I am KNOWN for being online in the middle of controversy. Has not been too much,

been quiet the last 2 years since ACPE gave up on accreditaion of tech schools.

But I have been hearing some rumblings lately so I think this is about to

change.

Pharmacy Technology is a term that began floating around the school/education

industry about 7 years ago. It got a bit of momentum in 2001 -2003 then it sort

of died down. But there are Community colleges that changed the major from

pharmacy technician to Pharmacy Technology. I think the main reason is this:

One gets an AS in Chemistry and becomes a chemical technician, one gets a BS

in Chemistry and becomes a chemist. To say one gets a diploma or AS in

Pharmacy Technician is an odd thing to say. Why ? Well let us apply the AS in

Chemist or the BS in Chemist. How about a BS in Biology one then becomes a

biologist. Since technicians are studying the use of technology to assist the

pharmacist many schools found this to make sense on the diploma. An AS in

Pharmacy Technology one then becomes a pharmacy technician NOT a pharmacy

technologist.

A pharmacy technologist would imply that one would graduate and study the

technology of pharmacy and try to develop, assess and improve technology used

in pharmacies. Since pharmacy technicians do not do this other than CQI

(continued quality improvement), technologist is not the best word for what one

becomes. As a technician, one performs routine tasks to assist the pharmacist

in dispensing medication and therefore technology must be studied in order to

perform the technical tasks and to use the technology and technical equipment.

I hope this helps. The school that I teach at does not at this time offer an AA

or AS in Pharmacy Technician or Pharmacy Technology. We offer a diploma,

certificate of completion of the Pharmacy Technician program. One becomes a

registered pharmacy technician. IF one passes the PTCB then one is called a

CPhT or is a registered CPhT.

While I too think the term technology is odd, there seems to be no other term

that has evolved to better replace it on AS or AA diplomas or for a declared

major. The military also uses this term.

NOW as far as you brining up a hot topic???? GO Right ahead ! this is WHERE you

SHOULD bring it up! If it affects technicians or education it should be brought

up here! So do not back off or shy away. YOU do not owe anyone an apology. I

will WHEN Anne finds that 'CPhT owned by PTCB' stuff on their site.

And if it is on their site, but it is not true, I will still own Anne the

apology because she is only going by what she has read.

NOW Pharmacology Technologist is OUT of the Question!!!!!! so if one were to

graduate with an AS or BS in Pharmacology Technology they would become a

pharmacology technologist. That would mean that they would continue to study the

study technology of pharmacology, assess the study of the study of drugs, and

offer improvement on the study of the technological advances in pharmacology and

drugs. So this defintely is NOT applicable to a pharmacy technician position.

WHO the hell thinks this crap up!!!

I wrote a text book on pharmacologym but I do not consider myself one who

studies the technology of drugs, the technology of developing, testing,

evaluating and improving drugs or pharmacology itself. I would however

consider a pharmaceutical chemist one who does!!! And even though I have a BS in

Chemistry I am not a pharmaceutical chemist.

GET REAL Educators and school administrators! Technicians are nothing more than

technicians! They are first humans and secondly a person who performs routine

tasks under the direct supervison of a pharmacist, using standard operating

procedures and protocol in order to assist the pharmacist to dispense drugs and

protect the public, without using professional judgement, which is reserved for

the pharmacist who is a professional, not a technician or a technologist.

Let's see: is an Xray technician called an X ray technologist? NO! But he or

she did get a diploma, certificate of completion, AA or AS in Radiation

Technology. MUST we go to the WIZARD of Rx for a BRAIN to be a Mental

Technologist!

X-ray techs can only use the technical equipment and employ technological

advances in procedures to obtain a 'recording' or 'graph' of a specific body

part in order to ASSIST the Radiologist who is a SPECIALIZED DOCTOR to analyze,

STUDY the x-ray or recording, so that he or she can then DETERMINE a diagnosis

and educate the health care professional who ordered the X-rays and possibly

the patient and to offer suggestions to the Case Physician as to treatment and

possibly to prescribe treatment to the patient. An X-Ray tech can not counsel a

pt, just as a pharmacy tech can not counsel a pt. But X-Ray techs are not called

technologists, only the Radiologist who studies the X-Rays are technologists in

the field of radiation as a tool for assessment not treatment.

Man I am so pissed when I think of what schools are 'selling' out there!

Resumes: We teach the traditional tried and true method of outlining a resume.

BUT on my site I have created some resumes that I believe will stand out in the

pile of resumes and possibly get a person SEEN or interviewed. That does not

equate to getting the job, because the interview and possibly testing gets the

person the job. But if you can't score an interview.... well let's face it, you

won't get a chance to even be told 'sorry someone else got the job " . So to

answer your question they have to be taught how to prepare a good resume.

NOW ATTIRE!!! What can I say. SOME of my own real live students are members of

this site. And if any were to come forward they all will tell you how I approach

this topic. Here is my standard speech (NO LIE):

1. Business Attire ONLY: Neutral colors: Black and White prefered, Navy, brown,

grey, camel, beige and IF you must Maroon, NO flourescent GREEN PIMP suits guys!

No wild prints ladies! No jeans! Not even with a sports coat.

Men: Dress business casual not wedding formal or clubbing with shirt, matching

tie, tie tac or clip, dress belt, dress shoes. NO tennis shoes. Matching socks

PLEASE! Shirts MUST be tucked in!

Preferably a suit, a sports coat is acceptable as well as long as it matches.

Ladies: May wear dresses, skirts or pants with jackets, preferably suits.

Business style shoes.

2.LADIES: NO PARTY Dresses, NO mini or micro mini skirts. When you sit down

ladies NO 'TRIANGLES' should be showing! That means when you stand your dress

or skirt should come no higher than two or three fingers above the knee. If you

start out with your skirt already at mid -thigh which is about 6 -7 inches above

the knee you will sit with teh skirt only two to three inches below the crotch

adn that MEANS TRIANGLES WILL BE SHOWING, NEED I BE any more GRAPHIC? YES I

really do speak to them this way. And with a tone and an attitude that meas

business. NOW ladies imagine if you walk in with a micro mini skirt? I know the

men already have (jest here). When you sit down your dress will most likely go

to the edge of your thighs and hips or shall I say where the edge of your

underwear is. NOW a larger area of a TRIANGLE will show. NO TRIANGLES! Is there

a lady WHO does not understand what I mean? Hoochie Coochie Mama Clothing. At

this point the group is smiling or

laughing but derfinitely getting the PICTURE and NOT one of them will come to

our events, such as poster session or others, with a mini or micro skirt. They

are told if they do they will be sent home suspended.

3. Ladies: NO CLEAVAGE, NO G-STRING or Panty OUTLINES can be seen, If you wear

them NO ONE should know that you are wearing them EXCEPT you ! Color of

underwear should not be seen/visible, NO tight clothing that causes one to see

your bra or body fat from the side view as they look at your buttons! That means

no peak a boo openingsm due to being too large for the top! Get a top your size,

if you out grow it give it to GOODWILL for goodness sakes! NO layering of

clothing that looks like a tank top under a sweater under a blouse or a knit

black vest with a business shirt not buttoned on the top with the shirt tale or

bottom hanging out of the vest not tucked in. NO lace! The preppy look is okay

as a last resort, but even they are a polished look the shirts ARE tucked in.

The top of the shirt is buttoned. NO NO STILLETO spike HEELS, NO SANDALS,NO

OPEN TOED SHOES, NO SLING BACK OR OPEN SIDE SHOES. Going to a professional event

or an interview is not like going to a park or

a club or a wedding. Wear only professional looking PUMPS 1-2 inch high no

more than three. MEN: dress shoes, no athletic shoes, no smelly or full of

holes tennis shoes. CLEAN and shined dress shoes.

4. Grooming: Men get a descent traditional hair cut and style: NO spiking or

GREASY WET look, No shaggy mops! Leave that for the clubbing.

Women: Wear a conservative style, NO BIG SEXY MAMA hair, no hair in the eyes,

CUT your bangs or spray them back. If your hair is long: Keep a NEAT Sleek long

hair style OR BETTER yet pin it back and up with a clip in a professional

looking manner. DO NOT use a clip and twist long hair only to have the ends

spiking and sprouting out of the top of your head like a damn peacock or a

rooster that has just been in a cock fight! Tuck those loose ends in! Othewise

you will look like you just did the laundry on a Saturday morning! Try a little

hair spray for goodness sakes!

Both men and women: NO perfumes or cologne worn such that everyone and their

grandmother knows you are coming before you even know that you have to be there!

NO one other than an intimate partner should be able to smell your perfume. Your

'personal zone' or space is one arms length. From the tip of your finger to your

body is that space and meant to be shared by you and your intimate partner,

family member, best friend, spouse or children.Your boss or your co-worker

should not be in that space. EXCEPT for cramped working quarters such as working

in a hood with 2 or 3 people. THEREFORE NO ONE should smell your cologne. Which

brings us to deodorant and antipersperants: WEAR them unless you are directed by

a doctor not to. You ARE going to work in close cramped spaces WEAR this

grooming agent. If you (like myself) are told by a doctor not to wear

antipersperant for medical reasons then ask if you can use a deodorant only.

Not as good but better than nothing. The type I

use has the pink breast cancer ribbon on it. ( Just so I do not get a bunch

of email I am fine but a scare last year has placed me on the do not use

list). NO body Glitter.

5. LADIES: Make up: Plain Simple Elegant, but not dramatic or drama queen or for

broadway, weddings or clubbing. Business make up not Hoochie Coochie Mama on the

corner of Sunset and Vine make up. NO heavy eyeliner or shadow. Stick to

neutrals on the eye shadow no blues, glitter etc. Wear muted colors on our lips.

5. Jewlery and Tattoos or TATS: UNLESS it is against your religion do not wear

jewlery. Wedding ring tells them you are married when the application can not

even ask this. IF for some reason you would rather that they did not know (even

on the principle) take it off, and replace any ring marks or indentations by

wearing a conservative style ring. Why? Because this may be interpreted as

recently divorced. Being married or single or divorced means different things to

different interviewers. It is NONE of their business. Wear little to no, but

definitely not BOLD or LOUD jewlery. NO HOOP earrings, NO Studs in the

eyebrows, nose or tongue rings. For goodness sakes take out the ring in the

tongue that can be seen or heard clicking when you speak. MEN no earrings, EVEN

if you believe it makes a statement about your lifestyle whether it be

homosexual, heterosexula or metrosexual. While you may say this is predjudice

you just might not get the job because you wore it an d

it may be against company policy and they may have felt that you would not

comply. Whether you like the rule or you think it is unfair or not, most older

pts do not want to be treated by a staff of medical professionals that look

like Prince Groupies or bikers. Therefore the hospitals and retail pharmacies

may have such a grooming policy.

Tats if you have them on your arms, back, neck or any place that can be

covered up by all means cover therm. Once again it may cost you that job. IF you

have something that is on a hand, wrist or upper neck that you would love to

cover up, you might try a bit of REVLON LONG Lasting 16 hour make up that does

not come off by rubbing or touching. It must be removed. I have been a lic

cosmetologist who once worked in theater make up and dept store make overs. I

once had a lady of about 85 come in and tell my she was going to take her last

portrait of her life, she wanted to look her best. I fixed her make up and she

bought everything and I taught her granddaughter how to apply it. During the

course of events she mentioned that her face would look great thanks to me, but

she was embarrassed by her hands. She said her hands would show as she was to

cross them in front ofher, and in one position have them up by the side of her

head . She said the veins and age spots

bothered her. But alas she just knew I could do nothing for her as all make up

comes off. But I could! I applied and amazed her with this magical make up

that does not come off. A few months later her granddaughter brought me a photo

and told me that her grandmother wanted me to have it, she stipulated it in a

letter just before she died. It is made by REVLON and sold under a different

name in Penny's. Just by the Revlon from your drug store. Go a bit darker if

you want. If you have tats that show, be ready to answer what they are and the

significance. It is not illegal to ask. But it is illegal to discriminate if you

said they were for a religious reasons. Do you have to answer? No but it may

cost you the job. Sort of damned if you do and damned if you don't depending how

the interviewer feels and thinks about tats.

NOW those of you reading this must be asking yourselves what kind of students

does this school that she teaches at let in, WHY would she have to go over the

business attire in such detail? . Well you must understand that I teach high

school and adults, the SAME program. I see them in their uniforms or scrubs on a

daily basis. When ever they have a chance to be themselves at an event or school

function they want others to see them as they are at home or hanging out with

friends and their fashion statement. They want others to see their

individualistic attitudes, self image, music preferences, style etc. But it

still does not belong in the business world. When I do not go over the rules

of attire and grooming JUST before an event, I inevitably get a student, adult

or juvenile, who uses poor judgement and dresses incorrectly. Usually it is a

young girl or woman less than 27 yrs old. Then I am forced to suspend them. I

do not want to suspend them because that means poor

grades or missing vital information. I could care less abuot the grades, I want

them to KNOW everything to save a life, prevent a death avoid a medication

error. So they have to be in their seat listening and watching and in the lab

doing.

Some of you will say: If they do not like what they see then they do not have to

hire me and I don't want to work for them anyway. OR they will see the tat

when/after I get hired. Well take what ever attitude you want and believe what

you want. But people in human resources may subconsciously be predjudiced. They

do not mean to be. But they are human. Worse you may remind them of an employee

or acquaintance who once gave them a hard time and they thinkyou will to just

because of our likeness of tats or makeup or ??

Once you are hired, you can not be fired over a tat. If they did not see it when

they interviewed you it is not your fault. But if they are that seriousl about

tats then it must be in the employee handbook. Like Disneyland/world has.

However if someone really dislikes tats, they make life on the job dificult

for you so that you quit.

So Jeanne you pushed the right button again! Hee! This topic is hot at school

right now because we are having parent night, poster session on Wed night

coming.

Still you owe no one an apology. Maybe I do for this long email. But someone

just someone of 18 or 19 yrs old just may learn a thing or two.

Thanks so much.

Jeanetta Mastron CPhT BS

Pharm Tech Educator and PREACHER (

Founder/Owner of this site

rxjeanne <rxjeanne@...> wrote: Jeanetta~

Yep it's me...jeanne.

Any hoo...I hope I didn't offend anyone outside of california as

reading through this post, it seems that outside of california, it

might be the norm? But as Jeanetta said..not here in california. I

strongly agree with you on this Jeanetta and the schools that I sit

on the advisory board has heard me loud and clear...not to change the

subject but not only are they using this abbreviations...let me add

this...

To obtain a position as a

Pharmacology Technologist

Pharmacy Technologist

You know me Jeanetta...they heard an earfull when the started to get

fancy like that...

With your school Jeanetta, I am sure that you guys teach them the

proper way of resume writing, but if you are in my seat and seeing

them when they graduate it is too funny. I have them coming to me in

short short short and I mean really short skirts, flip flops, shorts

to their interviews.

Sorry if I opened up a sore subject, but I was beginning to wonder if

I missed something when it came to abbreviations.

Jeanne

[Guest guest]

I remember a couple of years ago, there was a tech

from canada who showed us sites that in Canada the

CPhT could only be used if you passed Ontario's

requirements. I too remember the PCTB being the only

means to ber CPhT here in the states, but since the

" re-modeling " of their website, I haven't touched it

with a ten foot pole. (yep I pay extra to be

re-certified by mail, the site is THAT BAD)

--- Jeanetta Mastron <rxjm2002@...> wrote:

Thank you Anne,

I will when I see it in black and white write a

letter to all Oregon techs who have chosen to take

ExCPT thqta they are in fact NOT certifed pharmacy

technicians and therefore do not qualify as Oregon

pharm techs. (:jest).

Of course I will apologize to you.

>

> If you find this, then what? What of all who have

> taken another exam?

>

> I personally do not think that anyone owns the right

> to a general statement of 'certified'.

>

> But I too will do all I can to find this and get to

> the bottom of this.

>

> Dora, Jeanne, Karin, other TEXPERTS anyone HELP! on

> this

>

> Love ya

> Jeanetta Mastron CPhT BS

> Founder/Owner

>

> InstructorCPhT@... wrote:

> Jeanetta,

> I will do my best to locate where on the PTCB site

> I found the info that

> they " own " CPhT. I stumbled on it when I was

> looking for information on

> something else. I have a hard time finding

> anything twice since they " updated " the

> site - very confusing!!

> Anne

>

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Yeah I know I tried to get recertifed via the site and it ate my time so I had

to send certified check on the day it was due! I will try it again but I have

little faith,

With the advent of new exams for certification I don't see how any company can

'coin' or patent this word. In Canada the government only accepted a specific

exam. That exam allowed the Canadians to be allowed to work. I do not recal if

they were called certified or not.

Candian buddies help us out here?!

Now it is is different in the USA. BECAUSE each state is autonomous, meaning

that they set the standard for their own state . For example there was a time

not long ago that the state of TEXAS was going to have techs take a state

exam to be considered certified. I do believe they did have this exam. I think

our friend and TEXPERT Fox took it. Then Texas had some changes and

allowed the PTCB exam to replace the state exam. NOW we have a lot of Texans.

But only the those who have practiced a long time would know what I am talking

about. PLEASE comment and set my poor memory straight.

So if a state says that if the tech passes ExCPT and that is good enough to be a

state certified pharm tech then they are a certified pharm tech. The Federal

Government has no right at this time to tell states what to do in this area.

NOW I think it is acceptable to say PTCB Certified Pharmacy Technician or ExCPT

Certified Pharmacy Technician to distinguish which certification exam or process

one took or used.

This is to me like saying I am CPR certified.

YEAH but it makes a BIG difference as to what course you took and who certified

you.

American Heart Association CPR certified or American Red Cross CPR certified?

CPR certification for Health Care Workers or for TEACHERS???

CPR certification for Adults or for Pediatrics or for Both?

See what I mean? the words certified pharmacy technician imply that one took a

test and passed it, but do NOT imply which test nor specify which test. NO one

can patent this title only the test or process.

Recall: IV CERTIFIED

By who? NPTA? NCCA? AAPT? CSHP? AUHS? General Hospital Staff

How about Chemo Certified?

These are general titles that do not imply which test or testing process were

used.

BUT a specific hospital or state or employer can determine or designate which

test they will accept in order to be certified.

For example CA does NOT accept any testother than PTCB inorder to call the tech

a Certified Pharmacy Techncian, but Oregon accepts either PTCB or ExCPT. While

if I am not mistaken Washington, where you and Dora are from accepts only

educated techs and does not acknowledge PTCB certifed techs as a method of

becoming registered in the state of Washington. Is this in flux at this time?

Some retail chains do not consider their techs certified UNLESS they go through

that chains educational program on the job. When they can pass an inhouse test

THEN they are considered " certified " .

Comments anyone? This is not over for me!

Thanks

Jeanetta CPhT BS

karin h <hockeykatbird_27@...> wrote: I

remember a couple of years ago, there was a tech

from canada who showed us sites that in Canada the

CPhT could only be used if you passed Ontario's

requirements. I too remember the PCTB being the only

means to ber CPhT here in the states, but since the

" re-modeling " of their website, I haven't touched it

with a ten foot pole. (yep I pay extra to be

re-certified by mail, the site is THAT BAD)

--- Jeanetta Mastron <rxjm2002@...> wrote:

Thank you Anne,

I will when I see it in black and white write a

letter to all Oregon techs who have chosen to take

ExCPT thqta they are in fact NOT certifed pharmacy

technicians and therefore do not qualify as Oregon

pharm techs. (:jest).

Of course I will apologize to you.

>

> If you find this, then what? What of all who have

> taken another exam?

>

> I personally do not think that anyone owns the right

> to a general statement of 'certified'.

>

> But I too will do all I can to find this and get to

> the bottom of this.

>

> Dora, Jeanne, Karin, other TEXPERTS anyone HELP! on

> this

>

> Love ya

> Jeanetta Mastron CPhT BS

> Founder/Owner

>

> InstructorCPhT@... wrote:

> Jeanetta,

> I will do my best to locate where on the PTCB site

> I found the info that

> they " own " CPhT. I stumbled on it when I was

> looking for information on

> something else. I have a hard time finding

> anything twice since they " updated " the

> site - very confusing!!

> Anne

>

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