Re: is there a hint chart out there?

July 29, 2006

Dear Beth,

This question comes up alot. I wish I knew where my last post on this was.

Any way years ago this was a definite approach to study. But today there are too

many exceptions. The endings have more to do with the chemical structure than

MOA or classification any more.

For example

ifyou were to study that all -azoles are are antifungals such as ketoconazole

then what do you do with omeprazole a PPI?

I think you are safe with -pril being an ACE Inhib for high BP or HTN,

but as I type there is a new/different classification being studied that may end

in it.

You can not say that all -amines are in the same classification either.

You can not say all -dines are either.

You can make an argument that most are of one kind, but then how do you study

exceptions if you make a rule for the endings?

The BEST way to study is to use a memorization tool, such as the chart that I

made you. Put all of the same Classification together and then you will make

your own chart.

Statins are cholesterol lowering at the moment.

I hope this helps.

Jeanetta Mastron CPhT BS

Tech Educator

Founder/Owner

Beth <ebeth1118@...> wrote: I see that

there are quite a few drugs that have the

same endings. (example " pril " ) I was wondering if

there is a chart out there that tells what meanings

those endings or beginnings of words could group into.

I hope this question makes sense. Maybe this can

help me study and learn the words and groups easier.

thanks

beth

__________________________________________________

July 29, 2006

Does anyone have a chart already made that they would

share with me?

thanks

Beth

--- Jeanetta Mastron <rxjm2002@...> wrote:

> Dear Beth,

>

> This question comes up alot. I wish I knew where

> my last post on this was.

> Any way years ago this was a definite approach to

> study. But today there are too many exceptions. The

> endings have more to do with the chemical structure

> than MOA or classification any more.

> For example

> ifyou were to study that all -azoles are are

> antifungals such as ketoconazole

> then what do you do with omeprazole a PPI?

>

> I think you are safe with -pril being an ACE Inhib

> for high BP or HTN,

> but as I type there is a new/different

> classification being studied that may end in it.

>

> You can not say that all -amines are in the same

> classification either.

> You can not say all -dines are either.

> You can make an argument that most are of one kind,

> but then how do you study exceptions if you make a

> rule for the endings?

>

> The BEST way to study is to use a memorization tool,

> such as the chart that I made you. Put all of the

> same Classification together and then you will make

> your own chart.

>

> Statins are cholesterol lowering at the moment.

>

> I hope this helps.

>

> Jeanetta Mastron CPhT BS

> Tech Educator

> Founder/Owner

>

> Beth <ebeth1118@...> wrote:

> I see that there are quite a few drugs

> that have the

> same endings. (example " pril " ) I was wondering

> if

> there is a chart out there that tells what meanings

> those endings or beginnings of words could group

> into.

> I hope this question makes sense. Maybe this can

> help me study and learn the words and groups

> easier.

> thanks

> beth

>

> __________________________________________________

>

July 30, 2006

Dear ALL and Beth,

OKAY let me try this again another way.

It is UNSAFE to try to memorize 'endings or suffixes' for drugs. While we

would all love to have a short cut it still can cause probems and medication

errors. For this REASON if you have a chart that you want to share with BETH

please do so PRIVATELY and not on my site. I will not be part of any thing that

I believe to be problematic in the workforce or unsafe for the patient.

Again this is an issue of integrity and ethics for ME.

If you have NOT read my last post on this issue please do so!

Thank you ALL vvery much.

RESPECTFULLY,

Jeanetta Mastron CPhT BS

Founder/Owner

Beth <ebeth1118@...> wrote:

Does anyone have a chart already made that they would

share with me?

thanks

Beth

--- Jeanetta Mastron <rxjm2002@...> wrote:

> Dear Beth,

>

> This question comes up alot. I wish I knew where

> my last post on this was.

> Any way years ago this was a definite approach to

> study. But today there are too many exceptions. The

> endings have more to do with the chemical structure

> than MOA or classification any more.

> For example

> ifyou were to study that all -azoles are are

> antifungals such as ketoconazole

> then what do you do with omeprazole a PPI?

>

> I think you are safe with -pril being an ACE Inhib

> for high BP or HTN,

> but as I type there is a new/different

> classification being studied that may end in it.

>

> You can not say that all -amines are in the same

> classification either.

> You can not say all -dines are either.

> You can make an argument that most are of one kind,

> but then how do you study exceptions if you make a

> rule for the endings?

>

> The BEST way to study is to use a memorization tool,

> such as the chart that I made you. Put all of the

> same Classification together and then you will make

> your own chart.

>

> Statins are cholesterol lowering at the moment.

>

> I hope this helps.

>

> Jeanetta Mastron CPhT BS

> Tech Educator

> Founder/Owner

>

> Beth <ebeth1118@...> wrote:

> I see that there are quite a few drugs

> that have the

> same endings. (example " pril " ) I was wondering

> if

> there is a chart out there that tells what meanings

> those endings or beginnings of words could group

> into.

> I hope this question makes sense. Maybe this can

> help me study and learn the words and groups

> easier.

> thanks

> beth

>

> __________________________________________________

>

July 30, 2006

When I reposted asking if anyone had a chart to share,

I was not referring to a hint chart, but maybe

someone has filled in your blank chart with the top

200 and all the info about it that they might want to

share. I know its alot of work to find that info. I

am not really sure where to start. After reading what

you posted about a hint chart, I wont go that way.

For the exam, I wonder if I need to know all of the

info about the top 200, or is that specifically for

work. I will be getting on the job training as soon

as the pharmacy interns leave (by the way, when do

they go back to school). I find sites with the top

200. Do I just write each of those down, then look

each of them up individually to get the info about

them, or is there a site out there that has it all

listed? (seems like there most likely isnt a site

like that).

thanks

beth

ebeth1118@...

--- Jeanetta Mastron <rxjm2002@...> wrote:

> Dear ALL and Beth,

>

> OKAY let me try this again another way.

>

> It is UNSAFE to try to memorize 'endings or

> suffixes' for drugs. While we would all love to have

> a short cut it still can cause probems and

> medication errors. For this REASON if you have a

> chart that you want to share with BETH please do so

> PRIVATELY and not on my site. I will not be part of

> any thing that I believe to be problematic in the

> workforce or unsafe for the patient.

>

> Again this is an issue of integrity and ethics for

> ME.

>

> If you have NOT read my last post on this issue

> please do so!

>

> Thank you ALL vvery much.

>

> RESPECTFULLY,

>

> Jeanetta Mastron CPhT BS

> Founder/Owner

>

> Beth <ebeth1118@...> wrote:

> Does anyone have a chart already made that

> they would

> share with me?

> thanks

> Beth

>

> --- Jeanetta Mastron <rxjm2002@...> wrote:

>

> > Dear Beth,

> >

> > This question comes up alot. I wish I knew where

> > my last post on this was.

> > Any way years ago this was a definite approach to

> > study. But today there are too many exceptions.

> The

> > endings have more to do with the chemical

> structure

> > than MOA or classification any more.

> > For example

> > ifyou were to study that all -azoles are are

> > antifungals such as ketoconazole

> > then what do you do with omeprazole a PPI?

> >

> > I think you are safe with -pril being an ACE Inhib

> > for high BP or HTN,

> > but as I type there is a new/different

> > classification being studied that may end in it.

> >

> > You can not say that all -amines are in the same

> > classification either.

> > You can not say all -dines are either.

> > You can make an argument that most are of one

> kind,

> > but then how do you study exceptions if you make a

> > rule for the endings?

> >

> > The BEST way to study is to use a memorization

> tool,

> > such as the chart that I made you. Put all of the

> > same Classification together and then you will

> make

> > your own chart.

> >

> > Statins are cholesterol lowering at the moment.

> >

> > I hope this helps.

> >

> > Jeanetta Mastron CPhT BS

> > Tech Educator

> > Founder/Owner

> >

> > Beth <ebeth1118@...> wrote:

> > I see that there are quite a few drugs

> > that have the

> > same endings. (example " pril " ) I was wondering

> > if

> > there is a chart out there that tells what

> meanings

> > those endings or beginnings of words could group

> > into.

> > I hope this question makes sense. Maybe this can

> > help me study and learn the words and groups

> > easier.

> > thanks

> > beth

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

July 30, 2006

THANK you BETH for that Clarification!

YES by all means IF ANYONE has a pharmacology Study Tool Cahrt that I made

filled out and would like to share it with Beth Please feel free.

Now you know how much work it takes to make it and why one is not on this

site.

If I had to make it it just takes way too long. But if any one wants to share

theirs????

Hee!

I would just have to check it.

Any volunteers to make one? All we need is 20 people to look up 10 drugs and

we got one made!

I started this about 2 years ago on my educators site but it did not get

completed.

We could go 10 people and 20 drugs each.

Any takers??

Okay that being said you all may post this but recall it is considered not

check ed until I or texperts check it. That is a different story! And more time.

Well as for the top 200 drugs. I recently posted (not sure to whom I answered)

that you just do not know which FEW of the 200 drugs that they will ask you

about. And the questions range from exact mix/match of trade /generic to using

the trade or effects or toxic effects or special problems related to the drug.

So you would have to know the drug names anyway to answer the pharmacology

questions.

For examle the question may read:

1. Which of th efollowing drugs should not be given to children under 8 yrs

old becasue it causes interfernce with the development of good bones and teeth?

2. Which of the following drdug causes GI upset, GERD or GI ulcers if taken

on an empty stomach?

3. What auxiliary label should the tech place on a prescription for Motrin

800 mg.?

4. Which two drugs have dublicate therapy as the reason why they should not

be used together?

5. Which two drugs have potentiaion as the reason why they should not be used

together?

6. Which of the following drugs should be stored in the refrigerator?

Do you see what I mean?

Respectfully,

Jeanetta Mastron CPhT BS

Founder/Owner

Beth <ebeth1118@...> wrote:

When I reposted asking if anyone had a chart to share,

I was not referring to a hint chart, but maybe

someone has filled in your blank chart with the top

200 and all the info about it that they might want to

share. I know its alot of work to find that info. I

am not really sure where to start. After reading what

you posted about a hint chart, I wont go that way.

For the exam, I wonder if I need to know all of the

info about the top 200, or is that specifically for

work. I will be getting on the job training as soon

as the pharmacy interns leave (by the way, when do

they go back to school). I find sites with the top

200. Do I just write each of those down, then look

each of them up individually to get the info about

them, or is there a site out there that has it all

listed? (seems like there most likely isnt a site

like that).

thanks

beth

ebeth1118@...

--- Jeanetta Mastron <rxjm2002@...> wrote:

> Dear ALL and Beth,

>

> OKAY let me try this again another way.

>

> It is UNSAFE to try to memorize 'endings or

> suffixes' for drugs. While we would all love to have

> a short cut it still can cause probems and

> medication errors. For this REASON if you have a

> chart that you want to share with BETH please do so

> PRIVATELY and not on my site. I will not be part of

> any thing that I believe to be problematic in the

> workforce or unsafe for the patient.

>

> Again this is an issue of integrity and ethics for

> ME.

>

> If you have NOT read my last post on this issue

> please do so!

>

> Thank you ALL vvery much.

>

> RESPECTFULLY,

>

> Jeanetta Mastron CPhT BS

> Founder/Owner

>

> Beth <ebeth1118@...> wrote:

> Does anyone have a chart already made that

> they would

> share with me?

> thanks

> Beth

>

> --- Jeanetta Mastron <rxjm2002@...> wrote:

>

> > Dear Beth,

> >

> > This question comes up alot. I wish I knew where

> > my last post on this was.

> > Any way years ago this was a definite approach to

> > study. But today there are too many exceptions.

> The

> > endings have more to do with the chemical

> structure

> > than MOA or classification any more.

> > For example

> > ifyou were to study that all -azoles are are

> > antifungals such as ketoconazole

> > then what do you do with omeprazole a PPI?

> >

> > I think you are safe with -pril being an ACE Inhib

> > for high BP or HTN,

> > but as I type there is a new/different

> > classification being studied that may end in it.

> >

> > You can not say that all -amines are in the same

> > classification either.

> > You can not say all -dines are either.

> > You can make an argument that most are of one

> kind,

> > but then how do you study exceptions if you make a

> > rule for the endings?

> >

> > The BEST way to study is to use a memorization

> tool,

> > such as the chart that I made you. Put all of the

> > same Classification together and then you will

> make

> > your own chart.

> >

> > Statins are cholesterol lowering at the moment.

> >

> > I hope this helps.

> >

> > Jeanetta Mastron CPhT BS

> > Tech Educator

> > Founder/Owner

> >

> > Beth <ebeth1118@...> wrote:

> > I see that there are quite a few drugs

> > that have the

> > same endings. (example " pril " ) I was wondering

> > if

> > there is a chart out there that tells what

> meanings

> > those endings or beginnings of words could group

> > into.

> > I hope this question makes sense. Maybe this can

> > help me study and learn the words and groups

> > easier.

> > thanks

> > beth

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

July 30, 2006

Dear Beth and All,

Don't forget www.studystack.com Where you can go to write questions,

trade/generic elcetronic flash cards. You can use this tool for any thing from

storage and handling to adverse reactions.

Jeanetta Mastron CPhT BS

Founer/owner

Jeanetta Mastron <rxjm2002@...> wrote:

THANK you BETH for that Clarification!

YES by all means IF ANYONE has a pharmacology Study Tool Cahrt that I made

filled out and would like to share it with Beth Please feel free.

Now you know how much work it takes to make it and why one is not on this site.

If I had to make it it just takes way too long. But if any one wants to share

theirs????

Hee!

I would just have to check it.

Any volunteers to make one? All we need is 20 people to look up 10 drugs and we

got one made!

I started this about 2 years ago on my educators site but it did not get

completed.

We could go 10 people and 20 drugs each.

Any takers??

Okay that being said you all may post this but recall it is considered not check

ed until I or texperts check it. That is a different story! And more time.

Well as for the top 200 drugs. I recently posted (not sure to whom I answered)

that you just do not know which FEW of the 200 drugs that they will ask you

about. And the questions range from exact mix/match of trade /generic to using

the trade or effects or toxic effects or special problems related to the drug.

So you would have to know the drug names anyway to answer the pharmacology

questions.

For examle the question may read:

1. Which of th efollowing drugs should not be given to children under 8 yrs old

becasue it causes interfernce with the development of good bones and teeth?

2. Which of the following drdug causes GI upset, GERD or GI ulcers if taken on

an empty stomach?

3. What auxiliary label should the tech place on a prescription for Motrin 800

mg.?

4. Which two drugs have dublicate therapy as the reason why they should not be

used together?

5. Which two drugs have potentiaion as the reason why they should not be used

together?

6. Which of the following drugs should be stored in the refrigerator?

Do you see what I mean?

Respectfully,

Jeanetta Mastron CPhT BS

Founder/Owner

Beth <ebeth1118@...> wrote:

When I reposted asking if anyone had a chart to share,

I was not referring to a hint chart, but maybe

someone has filled in your blank chart with the top

200 and all the info about it that they might want to

share. I know its alot of work to find that info. I

am not really sure where to start. After reading what

you posted about a hint chart, I wont go that way.

For the exam, I wonder if I need to know all of the

info about the top 200, or is that specifically for

work. I will be getting on the job training as soon

as the pharmacy interns leave (by the way, when do

they go back to school). I find sites with the top

200. Do I just write each of those down, then look

each of them up individually to get the info about

them, or is there a site out there that has it all

listed? (seems like there most likely isnt a site

like that).

thanks

beth

ebeth1118@...

--- Jeanetta Mastron <rxjm2002@...> wrote:

> Dear ALL and Beth,

>

> OKAY let me try this again another way.

>

> It is UNSAFE to try to memorize 'endings or

> suffixes' for drugs. While we would all love to have

> a short cut it still can cause probems and

> medication errors. For this REASON if you have a

> chart that you want to share with BETH please do so

> PRIVATELY and not on my site. I will not be part of

> any thing that I believe to be problematic in the

> workforce or unsafe for the patient.

>

> Again this is an issue of integrity and ethics for

> ME.

>

> If you have NOT read my last post on this issue

> please do so!

>

> Thank you ALL vvery much.

>

> RESPECTFULLY,

>

> Jeanetta Mastron CPhT BS

> Founder/Owner

>

> Beth <ebeth1118@...> wrote:

> Does anyone have a chart already made that

> they would

> share with me?

> thanks

> Beth

>

> --- Jeanetta Mastron <rxjm2002@...> wrote:

>

> > Dear Beth,

> >

> > This question comes up alot. I wish I knew where

> > my last post on this was.

> > Any way years ago this was a definite approach to

> > study. But today there are too many exceptions.

> The

> > endings have more to do with the chemical

> structure

> > than MOA or classification any more.

> > For example

> > ifyou were to study that all -azoles are are

> > antifungals such as ketoconazole

> > then what do you do with omeprazole a PPI?

> >

> > I think you are safe with -pril being an ACE Inhib

> > for high BP or HTN,

> > but as I type there is a new/different

> > classification being studied that may end in it.

> >

> > You can not say that all -amines are in the same

> > classification either.

> > You can not say all -dines are either.

> > You can make an argument that most are of one

> kind,

> > but then how do you study exceptions if you make a

> > rule for the endings?

> >

> > The BEST way to study is to use a memorization

> tool,

> > such as the chart that I made you. Put all of the

> > same Classification together and then you will

> make

> > your own chart.

> >

> > Statins are cholesterol lowering at the moment.

> >

> > I hope this helps.

> >

> > Jeanetta Mastron CPhT BS

> > Tech Educator

> > Founder/Owner

> >

> > Beth <ebeth1118@...> wrote:

> > I see that there are quite a few drugs

> > that have the

> > same endings. (example " pril " ) I was wondering

> > if

> > there is a chart out there that tells what

> meanings

> > those endings or beginnings of words could group

> > into.

> > I hope this question makes sense. Maybe this can

> > help me study and learn the words and groups

> > easier.

> > thanks

> > beth

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

July 30, 2006

I do say that is alot to have to know about the top

200, or the drugs out there. I know a tech works in

that area, but it seems like we could actually be

studying to be pharmacists. I work in OTC area now,

and have worked inside the pharmacy several days a

week, until the pharmacist interns showed up, then I

got kicked out. SO, back to OTC. I am ready to get

in there, and be a technician. I guess I never

realized how hard it is, and how much studying there

is to all of this. I was spending every waking minute

when I wasnt working, studying. I decided last night,

that I need to spend time with my kids, and husband.

I was so stressed out trying to learn all of this, I

couldnt stand myself. I wanted to read something and

learn it every day. I have not gone to school to

learn this, I was hoping to get on the job training

for a while. The other techs tell me once they

started on the job training, they signed up for the

test, and took it within 3 or 4 mts of their decision

of wanting to be a tech. I dont know how they did it.

So, I know alot of people go to school for this, and

I was told I didnt have to, just to read all the

books, and study study study. Well thats what I

have been doing for months and months. I also work 40

hours a week. I have taken notes and made myself

flash cards. For an $8 an hr job, this is alot of

work.

sorry to go on, and on. I think its the stress. So,

I am giving myself a break, withdrawing from the

test, and going to take it slower.

beth

--- Jeanetta Mastron <rxjm2002@...> wrote:

> THANK you BETH for that Clarification!

>

> YES by all means IF ANYONE has a pharmacology

> Study Tool Cahrt that I made filled out and would

> like to share it with Beth Please feel free.

>

> Now you know how much work it takes to make it and

> why one is not on this site.

> If I had to make it it just takes way too long.

> But if any one wants to share theirs????

> Hee!

>

> I would just have to check it.

>

> Any volunteers to make one? All we need is 20

> people to look up 10 drugs and we got one made!

> I started this about 2 years ago on my educators

> site but it did not get completed.

>

> We could go 10 people and 20 drugs each.

> Any takers??

>

> Okay that being said you all may post this but

> recall it is considered not check ed until I or

> texperts check it. That is a different story! And

> more time.

>

> Well as for the top 200 drugs. I recently posted

> (not sure to whom I answered) that you just do not

> know which FEW of the 200 drugs that they will ask

> you about. And the questions range from exact

> mix/match of trade /generic to using the trade or

> effects or toxic effects or special problems related

> to the drug. So you would have to know the drug

> names anyway to answer the pharmacology questions.

>

> For examle the question may read:

> 1. Which of th efollowing drugs should not be

> given to children under 8 yrs old becasue it causes

> interfernce with the development of good bones and

> teeth?

> 2. Which of the following drdug causes GI upset,

> GERD or GI ulcers if taken on an empty stomach?

> 3. What auxiliary label should the tech place on a

> prescription for Motrin 800 mg.?

> 4. Which two drugs have dublicate therapy as the

> reason why they should not be used together?

> 5. Which two drugs have potentiaion as the reason

> why they should not be used together?

> 6. Which of the following drugs should be stored

> in the refrigerator?

>

> Do you see what I mean?

>

> Respectfully,

> Jeanetta Mastron CPhT BS

> Founder/Owner

>

> Beth <ebeth1118@...> wrote:

> When I reposted asking if anyone had a

> chart to share,

> I was not referring to a hint chart, but maybe

> someone has filled in your blank chart with the top

> 200 and all the info about it that they might want

> to

> share. I know its alot of work to find that info. I

> am not really sure where to start. After reading

> what

> you posted about a hint chart, I wont go that way.

> For the exam, I wonder if I need to know all of the

> info about the top 200, or is that specifically for

> work. I will be getting on the job training as soon

> as the pharmacy interns leave (by the way, when do

> they go back to school). I find sites with the top

> 200. Do I just write each of those down, then look

> each of them up individually to get the info about

> them, or is there a site out there that has it all

> listed? (seems like there most likely isnt a site

> like that).

> thanks

> beth

> ebeth1118@...

>

> --- Jeanetta Mastron <rxjm2002@...> wrote:

>

> > Dear ALL and Beth,

> >

> > OKAY let me try this again another way.

> >

> > It is UNSAFE to try to memorize 'endings or

> > suffixes' for drugs. While we would all love to

> have

> > a short cut it still can cause probems and

> > medication errors. For this REASON if you have a

> > chart that you want to share with BETH please do

> so

> > PRIVATELY and not on my site. I will not be part

> of

> > any thing that I believe to be problematic in the

> > workforce or unsafe for the patient.

> >

> > Again this is an issue of integrity and ethics for

> > ME.

> >

> > If you have NOT read my last post on this issue

> > please do so!

> >

> > Thank you ALL vvery much.

> >

> > RESPECTFULLY,

> >

> > Jeanetta Mastron CPhT BS

> > Founder/Owner

> >

> > Beth <ebeth1118@...> wrote:

> > Does anyone have a chart already made that

> > they would

> > share with me?

> > thanks

> > Beth

> >

> > --- Jeanetta Mastron <rxjm2002@...> wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Beth,

> > >

> > > This question comes up alot. I wish I knew where

> > > my last post on this was.

> > > Any way years ago this was a definite approach

> to

> > > study. But today there are too many exceptions.

> > The

> > > endings have more to do with the chemical

> > structure

> > > than MOA or classification any more.

> > > For example

> > > ifyou were to study that all -azoles are are

> > > antifungals such as ketoconazole

> > > then what do you do with omeprazole a PPI?

> > >

> > > I think you are safe with -pril being an ACE

> Inhib

> > > for high BP or HTN,

> > > but as I type there is a new/different

> > > classification being studied that may end in it.

> > >

> > > You can not say that all -amines are in the same

> > > classification either.

> > > You can not say all -dines are either.

> > > You can make an argument that most are of one

> > kind,

> > > but then how do you study exceptions if you make

> a

> > > rule for the endings?

> > >

> > > The BEST way to study is to use a memorization

> > tool,

> > > such as the chart that I made you. Put all of

> the

> > > same Classification together and then you will

> > make

> > > your own chart.

> > >

> > > Statins are cholesterol lowering at the moment.

> > >

> > > I hope this helps.

> > >

> > > Jeanetta Mastron CPhT BS

> > > Tech Educator

> > > Founder/Owner

> > >

> > > Beth <ebeth1118@...> wrote:

> > > I see that there are quite a few drugs

> > > that have the

> > > same endings. (example " pril " ) I was wondering

> > > if

> > > there is a chart out there that tells what

> > meanings

> > > those endings or beginnings of words could group

> > > into.

> > > I hope this question makes sense. Maybe this can

> > > help me study and learn the words and groups

> > > easier.

> > > thanks

> > > beth

> > >

> __________________________________________________

> > >

July 30, 2006

Dear Beth,

For $8 an hour it is a lot toknow and do. But it is the technician

who is the first 'strainter' in the seive process! Techs will sift

for the 'booulders' and the pharmacists then re-sifts for the 'sand'.

We are not there to be greeters, cashiers and pill counters. We do

have to do other things. and all of them start with knowing the drugs.

For the most part we think about studying the adverse reactions in

order to caution the patient withan auxiuliary label which the tech

chooses and affixes and then the pharmacist verbally counsels. So in

many erspects the tech does written counseling with the auxiliary

label. Coose the wrong label, affix the wrong label, pharmacist doe

not catch tech error = med error = problem for patient (minor or

severe).

BUT Are you aware that there are drugs that should not be opened by a

technician UNTIL or UNLESS the tech KLNOWS how this drug can harm the

employee (TECH or PHARMACIST) just by handling it wrong or breathing

in the counting dust??? THIS is just one reason why techs should go

to school.

NOT all pharmaices and all states are going to let techs do what they

should be doing for twice as much as what they are getting paid. This

is unfortunate. However techs should all be trained and educated to

do the SAME things. This is a different issue. But still piggy

backsoff of what you mention.

I am sure your frinds or co-workers most likely do not know all that

is considered pharmacology of all of the tope 200 drugs. I amnot sure

that I do. What I am trying to get across to you is this:

You do not know which drugs with which questions will be asked. So it

is up to you how much you want to prepare and study and know.

You do not know the first thing about th edrug that you are going to

take off the shelf. Can it harm you? or only the pt f not taken

correctly? How do you find out? What should you know before you

touch that drug on the shelf in the bottle it came in? How should

you handle it?

NOW how much do you want to know in advance and study and learn and

know? That again is up to you. How much do you want to leave to

chance? Not everything is taught in pharmtech school about every

drug, not everything taught is learned by every student. But the

schools try to impart the appreciation of 'knowing' and WHY one must

know in advance. If one does not know one must know HOW to find the

information quickly and easily.

YOU decide what you want to learn how much and when.

And yes for $8 per hour it is a lot ! And that is why techs need a

standard education and need recognition for allthat they do and why

we need an increase in pay. What state are you in that pays so little?

MayI ask what does the OTC job pay if the tech pays only $8 hour. The

average pay isabout $11 per hour.

see www.salary.com

Respectfully,

Jeanetta Mastron CPhT BS

Founder/Owner

> > > > I see that there are quite a few drugs

> > > > that have the

> > > > same endings. (example " pril " ) I was wondering

> > > > if

> > > > there is a chart out there that tells what

> > > meanings

> > > > those endings or beginnings of words could group

> > > > into.

> > > > I hope this question makes sense. Maybe this can

> > > > help me study and learn the words and groups

> > > > easier.

> > > > thanks

> > > > beth

> > > >

> > __________________________________________________

> > > >

July 30, 2006

Dear Beth,

You are not alone! Others are going through the same feelings. I know it does

not makeit any easier. But you need to RELAX as my dear friend Dora and

modeerator of this site once toldyou. IF you must postpone then do it. Your

family comes first.

Personally I have never seen one person who used this site as much as you

fail. It means that while you are studyingthe math you are also studying under

all other categories and turing up every rock.

So I expect you to pass and know that you will, even if and when you have no

belief that you will , I do.

Jeanetta

Beth <ebeth1118@...> wrote:

I do say that is alot to have to know about the top

200, or the drugs out there. I know a tech works in

that area, but it seems like we could actually be

studying to be pharmacists. I work in OTC area now,

and have worked inside the pharmacy several days a

week, until the pharmacist interns showed up, then I

got kicked out. SO, back to OTC. I am ready to get

in there, and be a technician. I guess I never

realized how hard it is, and how much studying there

is to all of this. I was spending every waking minute

when I wasnt working, studying. I decided last night,

that I need to spend time with my kids, and husband.

I was so stressed out trying to learn all of this, I

couldnt stand myself. I wanted to read something and

learn it every day. I have not gone to school to

learn this, I was hoping to get on the job training

for a while. The other techs tell me once they

started on the job training, they signed up for the

test, and took it within 3 or 4 mts of their decision

of wanting to be a tech. I dont know how they did it.

So, I know alot of people go to school for this, and

I was told I didnt have to, just to read all the

books, and study study study. Well thats what I

have been doing for months and months. I also work 40

hours a week. I have taken notes and made myself

flash cards. For an $8 an hr job, this is alot of

work.

sorry to go on, and on. I think its the stress. So,

I am giving myself a break, withdrawing from the

test, and going to take it slower.

beth

--- Jeanetta Mastron <rxjm2002@...> wrote:

> THANK you BETH for that Clarification!

>

> YES by all means IF ANYONE has a pharmacology

> Study Tool Cahrt that I made filled out and would

> like to share it with Beth Please feel free.

>

> Now you know how much work it takes to make it and

> why one is not on this site.

> If I had to make it it just takes way too long.

> But if any one wants to share theirs????

> Hee!

>

> I would just have to check it.

>

> Any volunteers to make one? All we need is 20

> people to look up 10 drugs and we got one made!

> I started this about 2 years ago on my educators

> site but it did not get completed.

>

> We could go 10 people and 20 drugs each.

> Any takers??

>

> Okay that being said you all may post this but

> recall it is considered not check ed until I or

> texperts check it. That is a different story! And

> more time.

>

> Well as for the top 200 drugs. I recently posted

> (not sure to whom I answered) that you just do not

> know which FEW of the 200 drugs that they will ask

> you about. And the questions range from exact

> mix/match of trade /generic to using the trade or

> effects or toxic effects or special problems related

> to the drug. So you would have to know the drug

> names anyway to answer the pharmacology questions.

>

> For examle the question may read:

> 1. Which of th efollowing drugs should not be

> given to children under 8 yrs old becasue it causes

> interfernce with the development of good bones and

> teeth?

> 2. Which of the following drdug causes GI upset,

> GERD or GI ulcers if taken on an empty stomach?

> 3. What auxiliary label should the tech place on a

> prescription for Motrin 800 mg.?

> 4. Which two drugs have dublicate therapy as the

> reason why they should not be used together?

> 5. Which two drugs have potentiaion as the reason

> why they should not be used together?

> 6. Which of the following drugs should be stored

> in the refrigerator?

>

> Do you see what I mean?

>

> Respectfully,

> Jeanetta Mastron CPhT BS

> Founder/Owner

>

> Beth <ebeth1118@...> wrote:

> When I reposted asking if anyone had a

> chart to share,

> I was not referring to a hint chart, but maybe

> someone has filled in your blank chart with the top

> 200 and all the info about it that they might want

> to

> share. I know its alot of work to find that info. I

> am not really sure where to start. After reading

> what

> you posted about a hint chart, I wont go that way.

> For the exam, I wonder if I need to know all of the

> info about the top 200, or is that specifically for

> work. I will be getting on the job training as soon

> as the pharmacy interns leave (by the way, when do

> they go back to school). I find sites with the top

> 200. Do I just write each of those down, then look

> each of them up individually to get the info about

> them, or is there a site out there that has it all

> listed? (seems like there most likely isnt a site

> like that).

> thanks

> beth

> ebeth1118@...

>

> --- Jeanetta Mastron <rxjm2002@...> wrote:

>

> > Dear ALL and Beth,

> >

> > OKAY let me try this again another way.

> >

> > It is UNSAFE to try to memorize 'endings or

> > suffixes' for drugs. While we would all love to

> have

> > a short cut it still can cause probems and

> > medication errors. For this REASON if you have a

> > chart that you want to share with BETH please do

> so

> > PRIVATELY and not on my site. I will not be part

> of

> > any thing that I believe to be problematic in the

> > workforce or unsafe for the patient.

> >

> > Again this is an issue of integrity and ethics for

> > ME.

> >

> > If you have NOT read my last post on this issue

> > please do so!

> >

> > Thank you ALL vvery much.

> >

> > RESPECTFULLY,

> >

> > Jeanetta Mastron CPhT BS

> > Founder/Owner

> >

> > Beth <ebeth1118@...> wrote:

> > Does anyone have a chart already made that

> > they would

> > share with me?

> > thanks

> > Beth

> >

> > --- Jeanetta Mastron <rxjm2002@...> wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Beth,

> > >

> > > This question comes up alot. I wish I knew where

> > > my last post on this was.

> > > Any way years ago this was a definite approach

> to

> > > study. But today there are too many exceptions.

> > The

> > > endings have more to do with the chemical

> > structure

> > > than MOA or classification any more.

> > > For example

> > > ifyou were to study that all -azoles are are

> > > antifungals such as ketoconazole

> > > then what do you do with omeprazole a PPI?

> > >

> > > I think you are safe with -pril being an ACE

> Inhib

> > > for high BP or HTN,

> > > but as I type there is a new/different

> > > classification being studied that may end in it.

> > >

> > > You can not say that all -amines are in the same

> > > classification either.

> > > You can not say all -dines are either.

> > > You can make an argument that most are of one

> > kind,

> > > but then how do you study exceptions if you make

> a

> > > rule for the endings?

> > >

> > > The BEST way to study is to use a memorization

> > tool,

> > > such as the chart that I made you. Put all of

> the

> > > same Classification together and then you will

> > make

> > > your own chart.

> > >

> > > Statins are cholesterol lowering at the moment.

> > >

> > > I hope this helps.

> > >

> > > Jeanetta Mastron CPhT BS

> > > Tech Educator

> > > Founder/Owner

> > >

> > > Beth <ebeth1118@...> wrote:

> > > I see that there are quite a few drugs

> > > that have the

> > > same endings. (example " pril " ) I was wondering

> > > if

> > > there is a chart out there that tells what

> > meanings

> > > those endings or beginnings of words could group

> > > into.

> > > I hope this question makes sense. Maybe this can

> > > help me study and learn the words and groups

> > > easier.

> > > thanks

> > > beth

> > >

> __________________________________________________

> > >

August 1, 2006

Jeanetta and ALL GROUP MEMBERS,

Please remember that there is also a new generation of PharmD's (and

still a few BS Pharm.) that will be replacing the current generation

of Pharmacists whose first experience with using Technicians was to

ring up customers and sweep the floor.

To a great extent, the CPhT was 'given birth to' and is still

regarded as CASHIERS that NOW can count from 1 to 60 for $9.00/hr

because they took a national exam by 'old school' Pharmacists who

(WITH GOOD REASON) are dubious of the education/skill

level/professionalism of a state Registered Nationally Certified

Pharmacy Technician.

I am a Pharmacy Technician who will be entering a PharmD program.

THIS WAS NOT WHAT I EVER EXPECTED WHEN I DECIDED TO GO BACK TO

COLLEGE.

I honestly have to admit that (JUST AS MOST OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC

UNDERSTANDS/PERCEIVES) when I first went back to college as a

Chemistry/Pre-Pharm. Major, I did not know what a CPhT was! This was

about three years ago, and as I have been lead down 'my path', my

eyes have been open to what is 'happening' in both Retail and

Hospital in both my state and a few others as well.

The generation of Pharmacists who will graduate with me will have a

completely different body of knowlege of how/why CHhT's are so

important to our ENTIRE healthcare system. Many of us will have

worked as Technicians before and during our PharmD programs, and will

have ENTIRELY DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES during our

internships/clerkships, and most important, our Practices as

Pharmacists.

If you read these words and think to yourself " SELF, I'm a 45 year

old Technician with 15 years experience, and this guy down in south

Texas is telling me up here in WHATEVER state that changes will be

made slowly... Mr. Oliver down there in Texas won't get his PharmD

License to Practice until 2011 anyway and he is just one person who

seems to have taken an interest in Jeanetta's Group... So WHY KEEP ON

GOING?????? "

I say back to you, Mr. or Ms. SELF, " For every PharmD that will be in

the Texas A & M Kingsville Irma Rangel College of Pharmacy Class of

2011, there are THOUSANDS of PharmD's who are graduating in the Class

of 2006! A 'new generation' of PharmD's and RPh's are coming.

WHATEVER YOU DO, DON'T GIVE UP ON YOUR CAREER. " (TO ANOTHER GOOD

PHARMACY EDUCATOR/FRIEND: PLEASE DON'T TAKE OFFENSE IF I STATE WITH

ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY THAT I BELIEVE THAT THE WORD CAREER OR PROFESSION

SHOULD BE USED INSTEAD OF VOCATION. I READ YOUR POST TOADY IN A

DIFFERENT FORUM AND FOUND IT SOMEWHAT IRONIC THAT YOU ARE EXACTLY 20

YEARS OLDER THAN I AM. YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL ON THIS ISSUE, AND I WILL

TAKE THE CHALLENGE HERE FOR TECHNICIANS' PROPER RECOGNITION. IT IS

BECAUSE OF THE EFFORTS AND PASSIONS OF PEOPLE LIKE YOURSELF AND

JEANETTA THAT ONE DAY THERE WILL BE THE STANDARDS/COMPENSATION/AND

RECOGNITION THAT WELL EDUCATED CPhT's DESERVE. PLEASE DON'T GIVE UP

HOPE! I WON'T!!!)

There also must be an increased level/standardiation amongst

different state BOP's for the proper

education/examination/certification/registration of Technicians.

This is where we must look to seasoned educators such as Jeanetta so

that as CITIZENS of our STATE, we can talk to our elected officials.

Changes in Government, most especially state governments quite often

come about at a snail's pace after (as one of my favorite Poly. Sci.

Professor used to describe the debates on the Floors of the Texas

House and Senate) 'a steel-cage-death-match', but generally (PLEASE

DON'T START A DEBATE ON JEANETTA'S GROUP ABOUT MY NEXT STATEMENT..

THAT IS NOT WHAT HER GROUP IS FOR...) decisions at the state level

will favor the citizen vs. the 'Government' as local politicians

might just live on your street!

Enough for now...

Best Wishes From Tropical Texas,

Christian B. Oliver RCPhT (TX)

> > > > > I see that there are quite a few drugs

> > > > > that have the

> > > > > same endings. (example " pril " ) I was wondering

> > > > > if

> > > > > there is a chart out there that tells what

> > > > meanings

> > > > > those endings or beginnings of words could group

> > > > > into.

> > > > > I hope this question makes sense. Maybe this can

> > > > > help me study and learn the words and groups

> > > > > easier.

> > > > > thanks

> > > > > beth

> > > > >

> > > __________________________________________________

> > > > >

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