Re: AN INCONVENIENT TRUTH

[Guest guest]

Check it out!

http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+mar\

s & btnG=Search

http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+jupiter & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Goo\

gle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_\

nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+triton & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Goo\

gle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_\

nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Goo\

gle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_\

nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+neptune & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

a1thighmaster wrote:

>

> Dave,

>

> What exactly is it that makes you think that all the planets in the

> solar system are warming?

>

> Best regards,

> Celeste

>

> Dave Narby wrote:

> > So how do you explain the fact that all the planets in the solar system

> > are warming...?

>

>

>

--

This is your brain on politics:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060131092225.htm

Yep! You've been an annoying zombie all these years.

[Guest guest]

What about Mars? Not to mention Jupiter, Saturn, Neptune and the moons

of those planets?!?!

http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+mar\

s & btnG=Search

http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+jupiter & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Goo\

gle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_\

nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+triton & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Goo\

gle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_\

nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Goo\

gle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_\

nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+neptune & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

Pull your freakin' head out of the sand!!!

Mark my words: When this debacle is revealed, it will set back the

credibility of environmentalists fifty years - and that's *not* a good

thing!

Brown wrote:

>

> Hi Dave:

>

> I guess you didn't read the article at realclimate.org. Even if Mars

> or Pluto were getting hotter it does not prove that the Earth's

> warming is due to the same cause and it especially does not mean that

> if there is a common cause e.g. Solar output increase or some other

> common effect, that the majority of the Earth's increased heat is

> caused by that. Anything that states that without repeatable studies

> is not science. It is speculation. Many repeatable studies have

> been done in relation to greenhouse gases. If we didn't have the

> greenhouse gas effect, the Earth would be a frozen wasteland and that

> is well-established. We just now have over double what we've had at

> any time for the past 43 million years. What a coincidence!

>

>

>

> At 09:33 AM 7/15/2006, you wrote:

>

> >YO, SCOTT!!!

> >

> >...How do you explain the fact that all the planets in the solar system

> >are also warming?

> >

> > Brown wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi:

> > >

> > > My current perspective, that human activity is very likely the major

> > > cause of global warming is not because I am a believer in some

> > > political agenda, but because it is the conclusion of the balance of

> > > scientific studies. If this changes, so will my perspective.

> > >

> > >

> > <<http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/306/5702/1686

>

<http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/306/5702/1686>>http://www.sciencemag\

..org/cgi/content/full/306/5702/1686

> <http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/306/5702/1686>

> >

> > > <http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/306/5702/1686

> <http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/306/5702/1686>>>Science

> > > Magazine

> > >

> > > Even if anthropogenic causes were not the primary source of global

> > > warming, because of the potential consequences, no matter what the

> > > mechanism, it is likely to eventually be extremely disastrous for the

> > > planet and we should work toward a strong course of action to stop or

> > > reverse the global warming trend.

> > >

> > > The concept that global warming on other planets in our solar system

> > > may indicate that the cause of global warming is not primarily the

> > > result of vastly increased greenhouse gasses in the Earth's

> > > atmosphere has been examined and rejected by the scientists who

> > > understand this best:

> > >

> > >

> >

>

<<http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2005/10/global-warming-on-mars/

>

<http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2005/10/global-warming-on-mars/>>\

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2005/10/global-warming-on-mars/

>

<http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2005/10/global-warming-on-mars/>

>

> >

> > >

> >

> <http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2005/10/global-warming-on-mars/

>

<http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2005/10/global-warming-on-mars/>>\

>Climate

>

> >

> > >

> > > Science

> > >

> > > Nevertheless, I agree that there are a lot of murky studies in the

> > > field of global warming based on unproven computer models. No one

> > > can predict, for example, what will happen in 100 years, that is

> > > absurd. Our computer models can't even predict weather a few days in

> > > advance, let alone many years in advance. We all, on both sides of

> > > the " what is causing global warming " debate, must stick to facts and

> > > data and not political conclusions.

> > >

> > > It has been established, however that atmospheric CO2 and global

> > > temperature correspond in proportion to each other. During the past

> > > 600,000 years there have been cyclic periods of warming and cooling

> > > with atmospheric CO2 quantity leading the trend. The more CO2, the

> > > warmer. Finally, we know that currently we have more than double the

> > > CO2 in the atmosphere than at any time in the past 600,000 years as

> > > determined by atmospheric bubbles in ice cores. In addition, most of

> > > the hottest years on record have occurred within the last 10 years.

> > >

> > > How fast global warming will progress is not possible to

> > > predict. There is insufficient data to know that. There are

> > > contributions from solar output, from greenhouse gasses trapping

> > > heat, from clouds reflecting the heat of the Sun, etc. All of this

> > > is very poorly quantified and not well understood.

> > >

> > > We do know that glaciers all over the world are disappearing. We do

> > > know that in the past 5 years, some of Greenland's glaciers have

> > > literally tripled the speed at which they march toward the sea.

> > >

> > >

> >

>

<<http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-greenland25jun25,0,1308610.story?co\

ll=la-home-headlines

>

<http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-greenland25jun25,0,1308610.story?col\

l=la-home-headlines>>http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-greenland25jun25\

,0,1308610.story?coll=la-home-headlines

>

<http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-greenland25jun25,0,1308610.story?col\

l=la-home-headlines>

>

> >

> > >

> >

>

<http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-greenland25jun25,0,1308610.story?col\

l=la-home-headlines

>

<http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-greenland25jun25,0,1308610.story?col\

l=la-home-headlines>>>Research

>

> >

> > >

> > > by NASA Scientist Jay Zwally (review article in popular press)

> > >

> > >

> > <<http://www.whoi.edu/oceanus/viewArticle.do?id=9126

>

<http://www.whoi.edu/oceanus/viewArticle.do?id=9126>>http://www.whoi.edu/oceanus\

/viewArticle.do?id=9126

> <http://www.whoi.edu/oceanus/viewArticle.do?id=9126>

> >

> > > <http://www.whoi.edu/oceanus/viewArticle.do?id=9126

> <http://www.whoi.edu/oceanus/viewArticle.do?id=9126>>>Oceanus

> > >

> >

>

<<http://www.newscientistspace.com/article.ns?id=mg18925383.500 & feedId=climate-c\

hange_rss20

>

<http://www.newscientistspace.com/article.ns?id=mg18925383.500 & feedId=climate-ch\

ange_rss20>>http://www.newscientistspace.com/article.ns?id=mg18925383.500 & feedId\

=climate-change_rss20

>

<http://www.newscientistspace.com/article.ns?id=mg18925383.500 & feedId=climate-ch\

ange_rss20>

>

> >

> > >

> >

>

<http://www.newscientistspace.com/article.ns?id=mg18925383.500 & feedId=climate-ch\

ange_rss20

>

<http://www.newscientistspace.com/article.ns?id=mg18925383.500 & feedId=climate-ch\

ange_rss20>>>New

>

> >

> > >

> > > Scientist Space

> > >

> > > The consequences for humans will be disastrous if this trend

> > > continues. Already mosquito borne disease has significantly risen to

> > > much higher altitudes in mountains all around the world. Many other

> > > mechanisms for human disease could easily be increased by the global

> > > warming trend. Billions of people live at or near sea level and

> > > countless cities and towns could face destruction by rising seas.

> > >

> > > Regardless of the cause, what are we going to do about it?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > At 07:42 AM 7/13/2006, you wrote:

> > >

> > > >So within your prediction, how do you propose that anyone will ever

> > > >prove who caused what?

> > > >

> > > >No one in their right mind would ever propose that global warming and

> > > >cooling does not happen.

> > > >The problem will always be in objectively proving what caused the

> > > >change. The advocates

> > > >of human intervention will swear they are correct, no matter what

> > > >happens and no one will be

> > > >able to prove them wrong... just as your side will go on claiming

> that

> > > >they are wrong. I think that

> > > >you are probably correct, but if you are not, the future of human

> life

> > > >on this planet stands at

> > > >risk . On the other side of the coin, if we were not taking most

> other

> > > >forms of life down with us,

> > > >that may be a good thing.

> > > >

> > > >Dave Narby wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Hey, I'll do you one better.

> > > > >

> > > > > Global warming is happening on ALL THE OTHER PLANETS IN THE SOLAR

> > > SYSTEM.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

<<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+other+planets & num=30 & hl=en\

& btnG=Google+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as\

_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+other+planets & num=30 & hl=en & \

btnG=Google+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_\

nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>http://w\

ww.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+other+planets & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Goog\

le+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_n\

hi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+other+planets & num=30 & hl=en & \

btnG=Google+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_\

nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

>

> >

> > >

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+other+planets & num=30 & hl=en & \

btnG=Google+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_\

nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+other+planets & num=30 & hl=en & \

btnG=Google+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_\

nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>><http:/\

/www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+other+planets & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+other+planets & num=30 & hl=en & \

btnG=Google+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_\

nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>http://w\

ww.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+other+planets & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Goog\

le+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_n\

hi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+other+planets & num=30 & hl=en & \

btnG=Google+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_\

nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

>

> >

> > >

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+other+planets & num=30 & hl=en & \

btnG=Google+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_\

nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+other+planets & num=30 & hl=en & \

btnG=Google+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_\

nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>

>

> >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

<<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+other+planets & num=30 & hl=en\

& btnG=Google+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as\

_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+other+planets & num=30 & hl=en & \

btnG=Google+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_\

nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>http://w\

ww.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+other+planets & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Goog\

le+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_n\

hi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+other+planets & num=30 & hl=en & \

btnG=Google+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_\

nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

>

> >

> > >

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+other+planets & num=30 & hl=en & \

btnG=Google+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_\

nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+other+planets & num=30 & hl=en & \

btnG=Google+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_\

nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>>

> > > > >

> > > > > I also hereby predict that man-made global warming will

> eventually be

> > > > > revealed the BIGGEST SCIENTIFIC DEBACLE IN HUMAN HISTORY.

> > > > >

> > > > > Apricot85 wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi Dave. Do you have a reference for Mars. I used the 'find'

> > > > > function for

> > > > > > work 'mars', but didn't get any hits.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I beleive that much of science presented comes from a money

> > > trail more

> > > > > > than any

> > > > > > pollitical agenda. In this case, do you really believe that

> ALL the

> > > > > > scientists have

> > > > > > a political agenda? Do you think that ALL of the top

> scientists are

> > > > > > overlooking Mars?

> > > > > > Recently I read an article where hundreds of scientists were

> > > surveyed

> > > > > > about the movie

> > > > > > & it's accuracy. For the most part, they ALL believed the movie

> > > to be

> > > > > > extremely accurate.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I saw the movie. I don't dislike Al Gore, but I wish he had

> left off

> > > > > > some of

> > > > > > self-promoting bs, & just stuck with the important subject

> matter. I

> > > > > > thought the self -promotion

> > > > > > was transparent clutter, excess, a distraction. If I look as

> > > only the

> > > > > > science presentation, it

> > > > > > was a good movie because the message is vitally important. We

> > > will see

> > > > > > huge effects of GW in

> > > > > > our life time. 50 yrs is not that far away.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dave Narby wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Just going through my backlog and spotted this one.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Did anybody else notice that completely ignored the fact

> > > > > that Mars

> > > > > > > is also experiencing global warming?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Not that I think we should keep using fossil fuels, mind

> you - but

> > > > > it's

> > > > > > > pretty funny how the 'true believers' simply refuse to address

> > > > > anything

> > > > > > > that doesn't fit their zeitgeist.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Brown wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Yeah, right and greehouse gas is a notion of fairy

> godmothers.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Most of the so-called " science " that " refutes " global

> > > warming from

> > > > > > > > unprecedented human combustion and dumping of CO2 and other

> > > > > > > > greenhouse gases is sponsored by those with a strong agenda

> > > for the

> > > > > > > > status quo like the infamous Cato institute, so loved by

> > > Bush

> > > > > > > > and the other oil barons (

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > <<http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html

>

<http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html>>http://www.cato.org/pubs/reg\

ulation/reg15n2g.html

> <http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html>

> >

> > >

> > <http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html

>

<http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html>>><http://www.cato.org/pubs/r\

egulation/reg15n2g.html

>

<http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html>>http://www.cato.org/pubs/reg\

ulation/reg15n2g.html

> <http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html>

> >

> > > <http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html

> <http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html>>

> > > >

> > > > >

> > <<http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html

>

<http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html>>http://www.cato.org/pubs/reg\

ulation/reg15n2g.html

> <http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html>

> >

> > > <http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html

> <http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html>>>

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > <<<http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html

>

<http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html>>http://www.cato.org/pubs/reg\

ulation/reg15n2g.html

> <http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html>

> >

> > >

> > <http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html

>

<http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html>>><http://www.cato.org/pubs/r\

egulation/reg15n2g.html

>

<http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html>>http://www.cato.org/pubs/reg\

ulation/reg15n2g.html

> <http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html>

> >

> > > <http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html

> <http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html>>

> > > >

> > > > >

> > <<http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html

>

<http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html>>http://www.cato.org/pubs/reg\

ulation/reg15n2g.html

> <http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html>

> >

> > > <http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html

> <http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html>>>>

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > <<<http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html

>

<http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html>>http://www.cato.org/pubs/reg\

ulation/reg15n2g.html

> <http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html>

> >

> > >

> > <http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html

>

<http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html>>><http://www.cato.org/pubs/r\

egulation/reg15n2g.html

>

<http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html>>http://www.cato.org/pubs/reg\

ulation/reg15n2g.html

> <http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html>

> >

> > > <http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html

> <http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html>>

> > > >

> > > > >

> > <<http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html

>

<http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html>>http://www.cato.org/pubs/reg\

ulation/reg15n2g.html

> <http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html>

> >

> > > <http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html

> <http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html>>>

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > <<<http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html

>

<http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html>>http://www.cato.org/pubs/reg\

ulation/reg15n2g.html

> <http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html>

> >

> > >

> > <http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html

>

<http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html>>><http://www.cato.org/pubs/r\

egulation/reg15n2g.html

>

<http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html>>http://www.cato.org/pubs/reg\

ulation/reg15n2g.html

> <http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html>

> >

> > > <http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html

> <http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html>>

> > > >

> > > > >

> > <<http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html

>

<http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html>>http://www.cato.org/pubs/reg\

ulation/reg15n2g.html

> <http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html>

> >

> > > <http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html

> <http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html>>>>>

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > <<<http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html

>

<http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html>>http://www.cato.org/pubs/reg\

ulation/reg15n2g.html

> <http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html>

> >

> > >

> > <http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html

>

<http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html>>><http://www.cato.org/pubs/r\

egulation/reg15n2g.html

>

<http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html>>http://www.cato.org/pubs/reg\

ulation/reg15n2g.html

> <http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html>

> >

> > > <http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html

> <http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html>>

> > > >

> > > > >

> > <<http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html

>

<http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html>>http://www.cato.org/pubs/reg\

ulation/reg15n2g.html

> <http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html>

> >

> > > <http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html

> <http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html>>>

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > <<<http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html

>

<http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html>>http://www.cato.org/pubs/reg\

ulation/reg15n2g.html

> <http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html>

> >

> > >

> > <http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html

>

<http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html>>><http://www.cato.org/pubs/r\

egulation/reg15n2g.html

>

<http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html>>http://www.cato.org/pubs/reg\

ulation/reg15n2g.html

> <http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html>

> >

> > > <http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html

> <http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html>>

> > > >

> > > > >

> > <<http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html

>

<http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html>>http://www.cato.org/pubs/reg\

ulation/reg15n2g.html

> <http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html>

> >

> > > <http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html

> <http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html>>>>

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > <<<http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html

>

<http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html>>http://www.cato.org/pubs/reg\

ulation/reg15n2g.html

> <http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html>

> >

> > >

> > <http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html

>

<http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html>>><http://www.cato.org/pubs/r\

egulation/reg15n2g.html

>

<http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html>>http://www.cato.org/pubs/reg\

ulation/reg15n2g.html

> <http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html>

> >

> > > <http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html

> <http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html>>

> > > >

> > > > >

> > <<http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html

>

<http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html>>http://www.cato.org/pubs/reg\

ulation/reg15n2g.html

> <http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html>

> >

> > > <http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html

> <http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html>>>

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > <<<http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html

>

<http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html>>http://www.cato.org/pubs/reg\

ulation/reg15n2g.html

> <http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html>

> >

> > >

> > <http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html

>

<http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html>>><http://www.cato.org/pubs/r\

egulation/reg15n2g.html

>

<http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html>>http://www.cato.org/pubs/reg\

ulation/reg15n2g.html

> <http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html>

> >

> > > <http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html

> <http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html>>

> > > >

> > > > >

> > <<http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html

>

<http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html>>http://www.cato.org/pubs/reg\

ulation/reg15n2g.html

> <http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html>

> >

> > > <http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html

> <http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html>>>>>> ). (By the way,

> > > > > > > > even their aligned scientists have recently this year

> > > switched their

> > > > > > > > arguments to say that instead of that humans are not causing

> > > global

> > > > > > > > warming, that it is proceeding at a much slower rate

> than other

> > > > > > > > scientists and models claim, citing isolated data and

> > > geographical

> > > > > > > > data from one area alone to substantiate how slowly it is

> > > > > > proceeding...)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It is the consensus of scientists everywhere that human

> > > activity is

> > > > > > > > largely behind global warming (and that any warming cycle of

> > > the Sun

> > > > > > > > is negligible).

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > <<http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/

> <http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/>>http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/

> <http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/>

> > >

> > <http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/

>

<http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/>>><http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/

> <http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/>>http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/

> <http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/>

> >

> > > <http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/

> <http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/>>

> > > > >

> > <<http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/

> <http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/>>http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/

> <http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/>

> > > <http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/

> <http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/>>>

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > <<<http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/

> <http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/>>http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/

> <http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/>

> > >

> > <http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/

>

<http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/>>><http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/

> <http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/>>http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/

> <http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/>

> >

> > > <http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/

> <http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/>>

> > > > >

> > <<http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/

> <http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/>>http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/

> <http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/>

> > > <http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/

> <http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/>>>>

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > <<<http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/

> <http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/>>http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/

> <http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/>

> > >

> > <http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/

>

<http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/>>><http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/

> <http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/>>http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/

> <http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/>

> >

> > > <http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/

> <http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/>>

> > > > >

> > <<http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/

> <http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/>>http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/

> <http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/>

> > > <http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/

> <http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/>>>

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > <<<http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/

> <http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/>>http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/

> <http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/>

> > >

> > <http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/

>

<http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/>>><http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/

> <http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/>>http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/

> <http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/>

> >

> > > <http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/

> <http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/>>

> > > > >

> > <<http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/

> <http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/>>http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/

> <http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/>

> > > <http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/

> <http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/>>>>>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Not really. See

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2005/10/global-warming-on-\

mars/ for the complete article and discussion.

Best regards,

Celeste

Global warming on Mars?

Guest contribution by Steinn Sigurdsson

<http://www.astro.psu.edu/users/steinn/> .

Recently, there have been some suggestions that " global warming " has

been observed on Mars. These are based on observations of regional

change around the South Polar Cap, but seem to have been extended into a

" global " change, and used by some to infer an external common mechanism

for global warming on Earth and Mars. But this is incorrect reasoning

and based on faulty understanding of the data.

A couple of basic issues first : the Martian year is about 2 Earth years

(687 days). Currently it is late winter in Mars's northern hemisphere,

so late summer in the southern hemisphere. Martian eccentricity is about

0.1 - over 5 times larger than Earth's, so the insolation (INcoming

SOLar radiATION) variation over the orbit is substantial, and

contributes significantly more to seasonality than on the Earth,

although Mars's obliquity (the angle of its spin axis to the orbital

plane) still dominates the seasons. The alignment of obliquity and

eccentricity due to precession is a much stronger effect than for the

Earth, leading to " great " summers and winters on time scales of tens of

thousands of years (the precessional period is 170,000 years). Since

Mars has no oceans and a thin atmosphere, the thermal inertia is low,

and Martian climate is easily perturbed by external influences,

including solar variations. However, solar irradiance is now well

measured by satellite and has been declining slightly over the last few

years as it moves towards a solar minimum.

So what is causing Martian climate change now? Mars has a relatively

well studied climate, going back to measurements made by Viking, and

continued with the current series of orbiters, such as the Mars Global

Surveyor. Complementing the measurements, NASA has a Mars General

Circulation Model (GCM) based at NASA Ames. (NB. There is a good

" general reader " review of modeling the Martian atmosphere by R

<http://www-atm.physics.ox.ac.uk/main/dept/index.html> in

Astronomy and Geophysics, volume 44 issue 4. pages 6-14.

<http://www.blackwellpublishing.com/journal.asp?ref=1366-8781> )

Globally, the mean temperature of the Martian atmosphere is particularly

sensitive to the strength and duration of hemispheric dust storms. Large

scale dust storms change the atmospheric opacity and convection; as

always when comparing mean temperatures, the altitude at which the

measurement is made matters, but to the extent it is sensible to speak

of a mean temperature for Mars, the evidence is for significant cooling

from the 1970's, when Viking made measurements, compared to current

temperatures. However, this is essentially due to large scale dust

storms that were common back then, compared to a lower level of

storminess now. The mean temperature on Mars, averaged over the Martian

year can change by many degrees from year to year, depending on how

active large scale dust storms are.

In 2001, Malin et al published a short article in Science

<http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/294/5549/2146?maxtoshow=\

& HITS=10 & hits=10 & RESULTFORMAT= & author1=Malin & titleabstract=Mars & searchi%\

3Cbr%20/%3Ed=1127335997248_11460 & stored_search= & FIRSTINDEX=0 & fdate=10/1/\

2001 & tdate=9/30/2002> (subscription required) discussing MGS data

showing a rapid shrinkage of the South Polar Cap. Recently, the MGS team

had a press release discussing more recent data showing the trend had

continued. MGS 2001 press release

<http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/mgs/msss/camera/images/CO2_Science_rel/> MGS

2005 press release

<http://www.msss.com/others/preview12Sept05release/spolar4years/> . The

shrinkage of the Martian South Polar Cap is almost certainly a regional

climate change, and is not any indication of global warming trends in

the Martian atmosphere. Colaprete et al in Nature 2005

<http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v435/n7039/full/nature03561.html>

(subscription required) showed, using the Mars GCM, that the south polar

climate is unstable due to the peculiar topography near the pole, and

the current configuration is on the instability border; we therefore

expect to see rapid changes in ice cover as the regional climate

transits between the unstable states.

Thus inferring global warming from a 3 Martian year regional trend is

unwarranted. The observed regional changes in south polar ice cover are

almost certainly due to a regional climate transition, not a global

phenomenon, and are demonstrably unrelated to external forcing. There is

a slight irony in people rushing to claim that the glacier changes on

Mars are a sure sign of global warming, while not being swayed by the

much more persuasive analogous phenomena here on Earth...

Dave Narby wrote:

> What about Mars? Not to mention Jupiter, Saturn, Neptune and the

moons

> of those planets?!?!

[Guest guest]

Hi:

I looked at those before. Some of these actually refute the

assertion. In addition, one of observations do not constitute

repeatable scientific research nor do observations of other planets

establish cause on Earth.

At 07:37 AM 7/16/2006, you wrote:

>Take the blinders off!!! If the link below doesn't work, do a freakin'

>Google search on 'global warming on other planets'!

>

><http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+other+planets & num=30 & hl=en\

& btnG=Google+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as\

_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>http://w\

ww.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+other+planets & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Goog\

le+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_n\

hi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

>a1thighmaster wrote:

> >

> > Except that not all the planets in the solar system are also warming.

> > No documentation exists to show that trend.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Celeste

> >

> > Dave Narby wrote:

> > > ...How do you explain the fact that all the planets in the solar system

> > > are also warming?

> >

> >

>

>--

>This is your brain on politics:

>

><http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060131092225.htm>http://www.scien\

cedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060131092225.htm

>

>Yep! You've been an annoying zombie all these years.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi:

I've looked at these and below, as an example, is a quote from the

article at the top of your previous search list about global warming on Pluto:

Jay Pasachoff, an astronomy professor at College, said that

Pluto's global warming was " likely not connected with that of the

Earth. The major way they could be connected is if the warming was

caused by a large increase in sunlight. But the solar constant--the

amount of sunlight received each second--is carefully monitored by

spacecraft, and we know the sun's output is much too steady to be

changing the temperature of Pluto. "

Did you actually read the articles or are you basing your opinion on

Google search titles?

At 08:18 AM 7/16/2006, you wrote:

>Check it out!

>

><http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+m\

ars & btnG=Search>http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=globa\

l+warming+on+mars & btnG=Search

>

>http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+jupiter & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

><http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>http://www.goog\

le.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as_e\

pq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=an\

y & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

>http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+triton & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

><http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>http://www.goog\

le.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as_e\

pq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=an\

y & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

>http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+neptune & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

>a1thighmaster wrote:

> >

> > Dave,

> >

> > What exactly is it that makes you think that all the planets in the

> > solar system are warming?

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Celeste

> >

> > Dave Narby wrote:

> > > So how do you explain the fact that all the planets in the solar system

> > > are warming...?

> >

> >

> >

>

>--

>This is your brain on politics:

>

><http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060131092225.htm>http://www.scien\

cedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060131092225.htm

>

>Yep! You've been an annoying zombie all these years.

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

Could it be that there is more energy being transfer from the sun to the

planets, which the satellite is not sensitive to, but which causes a

heating effect on all the planets e.g. greater infra red, an increase in

the solar wind, greater gravitational tides etc. Even if this energy

does not directly cause heating, it may cause secondary heating effects

e.g. from friction.

Brown wrote:

> Hi:

>

> I've looked at these and below, as an example, is a quote from the

> article at the top of your previous search list about global warming on Pluto:

>

> Jay Pasachoff, an astronomy professor at College, said that

> Pluto's global warming was " likely not connected with that of the

> Earth. The major way they could be connected is if the warming was

> caused by a large increase in sunlight. But the solar constant--the

> amount of sunlight received each second--is carefully monitored by

> spacecraft, and we know the sun's output is much too steady to be

> changing the temperature of Pluto. "

>

> Did you actually read the articles or are you basing your opinion on

> Google search titles?

>

>

>

> At 08:18 AM 7/16/2006, you wrote:

>

>

>> Check it out!

>>

>>

<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+ma\

rs & btnG=Search>http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global\

+warming+on+mars & btnG=Search

>>

>>

http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+jupiter & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>>

>>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>http://www.googl\

e.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as_ep\

q= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=any\

& as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>>

>>

http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+triton & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Goo\

gle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_\

nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>>

>>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>http://www.googl\

e.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as_ep\

q= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=any\

& as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>>

>>

http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+neptune & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>>

>> a1thighmaster wrote:

>>

>>> Dave,

>>>

>>> What exactly is it that makes you think that all the planets in the

>>> solar system are warming?

>>>

>>> Best regards,

>>> Celeste

>>>

>>> Dave Narby wrote:

>>>

>>>> So how do you explain the fact that all the planets in the solar system

>>>> are warming...?

>>>>

[Guest guest]

,

Could it be that there is more energy being transfer from the sun to the

planets, which the satellite is not sensitive to, but which causes a

heating effect on all the planets e.g. greater infra red, an increase in

the solar wind, greater gravitational tides etc. Even if this energy

does not directly cause heating, it may cause secondary heating effects

e.g. from friction.

Brown wrote:

> Hi:

>

> I've looked at these and below, as an example, is a quote from the

> article at the top of your previous search list about global warming on Pluto:

>

> Jay Pasachoff, an astronomy professor at College, said that

> Pluto's global warming was " likely not connected with that of the

> Earth. The major way they could be connected is if the warming was

> caused by a large increase in sunlight. But the solar constant--the

> amount of sunlight received each second--is carefully monitored by

> spacecraft, and we know the sun's output is much too steady to be

> changing the temperature of Pluto. "

>

> Did you actually read the articles or are you basing your opinion on

> Google search titles?

>

>

>

> At 08:18 AM 7/16/2006, you wrote:

>

>

>> Check it out!

>>

>>

<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+ma\

rs & btnG=Search>http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global\

+warming+on+mars & btnG=Search

>>

>>

http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+jupiter & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>>

>>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>http://www.googl\

e.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as_ep\

q= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=any\

& as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>>

>>

http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+triton & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Goo\

gle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_\

nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>>

>>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>http://www.googl\

e.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as_ep\

q= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=any\

& as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>>

>>

http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+neptune & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>>

>> a1thighmaster wrote:

>>

>>> Dave,

>>>

>>> What exactly is it that makes you think that all the planets in the

>>> solar system are warming?

>>>

>>> Best regards,

>>> Celeste

>>>

>>> Dave Narby wrote:

>>>

>>>> So how do you explain the fact that all the planets in the solar system

>>>> are warming...?

>>>>

[Guest guest]

Hi :

I carefully thought about your concern, which is quite valid,

regarding whether our measurements that Solar output are relatively

constant could be flawed - could miss something that could be heating

Earth and the other planets in the Solar System. Being an electronic

engineer and having been a biomedical instrumentation researcher for

the space program, I am very much aware of the precision and

limitations of scientific instruments.

In addition, there should always be in science, an opening to be

skeptical and to question any scientific study or conclusion. This

skepticism and criticism must be done using science and reason and

without a priori agendas. That is why medical review insists on

double blind studies - Neither the doctor nor the patient nor the

researcher knows which patients get the drug or substance under test

and which get placebos and it must sufficient numbers to have

statistical significance. Even with these stringent rules, some

nefarious researchers with hidden agendas have managed to manipulate

data in their favors.

Back to the point of your question, I believe the solar output

satellites measure both visible and infrared output from the

Sun. They are very precise and reliable and cover a broad

spectrum. It is conceivable, but seems highly unlikely, that

electromagnetic radiation outside of this measured spectrum could

ever be output at sufficient levels to cause significant heating in

the planets. Even if there were such radiation heating all the

planets, it is still true that increased greenhouse gas on the Earth

would further enhance this heating effect on Earth. It should be

noted that there are many satellites and Earth-based instruments

measuring most of the electromagnetic spectrum output by the Sun and

all correlate to measuring that the Sun's output is relatively

constant, and not increasing beyond what has been previously

measured. It does vary, has cycles, etc but it is well within the

known limits by all current measurements.

All the truly scientific studies I have seen regarding global warming

on other planets have specifically stated why they don't relate to

each other or to Earth's global warming.trend for different

reasons. If you look at most of the links that Dave sent out, Google

searches that were flooded with highly politicized blogging sites

that denigrate anyone who is against their belief systems. I loved

the one showing Al Gore with his eyes bugging out and spewing

something, I guess global warming, out of his mouth - very

cute. That really is convincing. They promote that anyone who

agrees with the evidence that Earth's global warming is primarily

caused by vastly increased greenhouse gas (an unmistakable fact is

that we have over double the greenhouse gas levels of anytime in the

past 600,000 years and likely 43,000,000 years) is a wild liberal

fanatic that sleeps with spotted owls, hugs trees, shoots

hard-working lumberjacks and is against the American Way.

They promote, without much in the way of solid, peer reviewed

scientific study, that global warming is a natural cycle of the sun

and/or that the evidence for greenhouse-gas based global warming of

the Earth has been manufactured for political reasons. One

science-oriented blog author at least tried to " prove " that the

previously established estimates of how much greenhouse gases warm

the Earth are off by orders of magnitude, but this again was not a

peer-reviewed or well documented scientific study, if they can prove

that with reproducible studies, I'd listen. But there have already

been (before global warming was a political issue) peer reviewed.

reproducible studies on the effect of greenhouse gases. Could they

have been in error? Perhaps, show me the proof.

In fact, I have agreed in previous posts, that some of the reasonable

criticism of the global warming science - the part that is based

mainly on computer models of climate - is not good science

either. It is interesting and useful and we should do it, but to

pass off a computer model's prediction as science is just as bad as

the bad " science " on the other side. These proponents believe truly

that a single uncertain temperature reading on Pluto coupled with a

storm on Jupiter or any number of other isolated single and uncertain

spot readings across the solar system indicating possible warming -

in the face of extremely certain,accurate and constant solar output

readings - indicate that the solar output really is increasing. Both

of these positions are political and neither are science. Science is

about careful studies that correlate with other evidence and are

reproducible..

Nevertheless, there is ample evidence that greenhouse gas

significantly warms the atmosphere of planets and of course enhances

any solar warming effect that may be present. This has been well

accepted scientific knowledge way before the concept of global

warming ever surfaced, it isn't a new theory at all. Also, most, if

not all of the warming events on other planets appear to be short

term variations.

In fact the latest readings from Pluto now show cooling, not

warming. This, from one of the Google-generated links that Dave sent

out. One wonders if he read beyond the titles in the Google search

page. Read all the links, I've read several from each of Dave's

Google searches, including the specific ones that I put out and

you'll most likely understand why none of these blogs that allegedly

link Earth's warming to the warming observed elsewhere in the Solar

System are convincing. They're not science for the most part and the

real science shows that the temperature rises outside the Earth are

not of a similar causality as that of Earth. Give me a reasonable,

logical and scientific study based argument with reference to

reproducible, peer reviewed studies and not exclamatory remarks and

references to politicized adversary-denigrating blogs citing spot

readings from here and there along with 100,000 random Google-generated links.

At 04:01 PM 7/16/2006, you wrote:

>,

>

>Could it be that there is more energy being transfer from the sun to the

>planets, which the satellite is not sensitive to, but which causes a

>heating effect on all the planets e.g. greater infra red, an increase in

>the solar wind, greater gravitational tides etc. Even if this energy

>does not directly cause heating, it may cause secondary heating effects

>e.g. from friction.

>

>

>

> Brown wrote:

> > Hi:

> >

> > I've looked at these and below, as an example, is a quote from the

> > article at the top of your previous search list about global

> warming on Pluto:

> >

> > Jay Pasachoff, an astronomy professor at College, said that

> > Pluto's global warming was " likely not connected with that of the

> > Earth. The major way they could be connected is if the warming was

> > caused by a large increase in sunlight. But the solar constant--the

> > amount of sunlight received each second--is carefully monitored by

> > spacecraft, and we know the sun's output is much too steady to be

> > changing the temperature of Pluto. "

> >

> > Did you actually read the articles or are you basing your opinion on

> > Google search titles?

> >

> >

> >

> > At 08:18 AM 7/16/2006, you wrote:

> >

> >

> >> Check it out!

> >>

> >>

>

<<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+m\

ars & btnG=Search>http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=globa\

l+warming+on+mars & btnG=Search>http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_q\

dr=all & q=global+warming+on+mars & btnG=Search

> >>

> >>

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+jupiter & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>http://www.goog\

le.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+jupiter & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as_\

epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=a\

ny & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

> >>

> >>

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images><http://www.goog\

le.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as_e\

pq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=an\

y & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>http://www.google.com/search?as_\

q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq=\

& lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_site\

search= & as_rights= & safe=images

> >>

> >>

>

http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+triton & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Goo\

gle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_\

nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

> >>

> >>

>

<<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>http://www.goog\

le.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as_e\

pq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=an\

y & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>http://www.google.com/search?as_\

q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq=\

& lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_site\

search= & as_rights= & safe=images

> >>

> >>

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+neptune & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>http://www.goog\

le.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+neptune & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as_\

epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=a\

ny & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

> >>

> >> a1thighmaster wrote:

> >>

> >>> Dave,

> >>>

> >>> What exactly is it that makes you think that all the planets in the

> >>> solar system are warming?

> >>>

> >>> Best regards,

> >>> Celeste

> >>>

> >>> Dave Narby wrote:

> >>>

> >>>> So how do you explain the fact that all the planets in the solar system

> >>>> are warming...?

> >>>>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

This research could throw a spanner in some global climate models.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/07/060719085650.htm

Tiny Airborne Particles Found To Be A Major Cause Of Climate Change

Quote of first two paragraphs :

" A scientist at the Weizmann Institute of Science and his colleagues

caused a storm in the atmospheric community when they suggested a few

years back that tiny airborne particles, known as aerosols, may be one

of the main culprits causing climate change – having, on a local scale,

an even greater impact than the greenhouse gases effect. Attempts to

understand how these particles influence clouds have generated many

uncertainties.

A new paper by Dr. Ilan Koren of the Weizmann Institute Environmental

Studies and Energy Research Department and Dr. Yoram Kauffman of the

NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center, USA,* published in Science Express

online, weaves together two opposing effects of atmospheric aerosols to

provide a comprehensive picture of how they may be affecting our climate.

"

Brown wrote:

> Hi :

>

> I carefully thought about your concern, which is quite valid,

> regarding whether our measurements that Solar output are relatively

> constant could be flawed - could miss something that could be heating

> Earth and the other planets in the Solar System. Being an electronic

> engineer and having been a biomedical instrumentation researcher for

> the space program, I am very much aware of the precision and

> limitations of scientific instruments.

>

> In addition, there should always be in science, an opening to be

> skeptical and to question any scientific study or conclusion. This

> skepticism and criticism must be done using science and reason and

> without a priori agendas. That is why medical review insists on

> double blind studies - Neither the doctor nor the patient nor the

> researcher knows which patients get the drug or substance under test

> and which get placebos and it must sufficient numbers to have

> statistical significance. Even with these stringent rules, some

> nefarious researchers with hidden agendas have managed to manipulate

> data in their favors.

>

> Back to the point of your question, I believe the solar output

> satellites measure both visible and infrared output from the

> Sun. They are very precise and reliable and cover a broad

> spectrum. It is conceivable, but seems highly unlikely, that

> electromagnetic radiation outside of this measured spectrum could

> ever be output at sufficient levels to cause significant heating in

> the planets. Even if there were such radiation heating all the

> planets, it is still true that increased greenhouse gas on the Earth

> would further enhance this heating effect on Earth. It should be

> noted that there are many satellites and Earth-based instruments

> measuring most of the electromagnetic spectrum output by the Sun and

> all correlate to measuring that the Sun's output is relatively

> constant, and not increasing beyond what has been previously

> measured. It does vary, has cycles, etc but it is well within the

> known limits by all current measurements.

>

> All the truly scientific studies I have seen regarding global warming

> on other planets have specifically stated why they don't relate to

> each other or to Earth's global warming.trend for different

> reasons. If you look at most of the links that Dave sent out, Google

> searches that were flooded with highly politicized blogging sites

> that denigrate anyone who is against their belief systems. I loved

> the one showing Al Gore with his eyes bugging out and spewing

> something, I guess global warming, out of his mouth - very

> cute. That really is convincing. They promote that anyone who

> agrees with the evidence that Earth's global warming is primarily

> caused by vastly increased greenhouse gas (an unmistakable fact is

> that we have over double the greenhouse gas levels of anytime in the

> past 600,000 years and likely 43,000,000 years) is a wild liberal

> fanatic that sleeps with spotted owls, hugs trees, shoots

> hard-working lumberjacks and is against the American Way.

>

> They promote, without much in the way of solid, peer reviewed

> scientific study, that global warming is a natural cycle of the sun

> and/or that the evidence for greenhouse-gas based global warming of

> the Earth has been manufactured for political reasons. One

> science-oriented blog author at least tried to " prove " that the

> previously established estimates of how much greenhouse gases warm

> the Earth are off by orders of magnitude, but this again was not a

> peer-reviewed or well documented scientific study, if they can prove

> that with reproducible studies, I'd listen. But there have already

> been (before global warming was a political issue) peer reviewed.

> reproducible studies on the effect of greenhouse gases. Could they

> have been in error? Perhaps, show me the proof.

>

> In fact, I have agreed in previous posts, that some of the reasonable

> criticism of the global warming science - the part that is based

> mainly on computer models of climate - is not good science

> either. It is interesting and useful and we should do it, but to

> pass off a computer model's prediction as science is just as bad as

> the bad " science " on the other side. These proponents believe truly

> that a single uncertain temperature reading on Pluto coupled with a

> storm on Jupiter or any number of other isolated single and uncertain

> spot readings across the solar system indicating possible warming -

> in the face of extremely certain,accurate and constant solar output

> readings - indicate that the solar output really is increasing. Both

> of these positions are political and neither are science. Science is

> about careful studies that correlate with other evidence and are

> reproducible..

>

> Nevertheless, there is ample evidence that greenhouse gas

> significantly warms the atmosphere of planets and of course enhances

> any solar warming effect that may be present. This has been well

> accepted scientific knowledge way before the concept of global

> warming ever surfaced, it isn't a new theory at all. Also, most, if

> not all of the warming events on other planets appear to be short

> term variations.

>

> In fact the latest readings from Pluto now show cooling, not

> warming. This, from one of the Google-generated links that Dave sent

> out. One wonders if he read beyond the titles in the Google search

> page. Read all the links, I've read several from each of Dave's

> Google searches, including the specific ones that I put out and

> you'll most likely understand why none of these blogs that allegedly

> link Earth's warming to the warming observed elsewhere in the Solar

> System are convincing. They're not science for the most part and the

> real science shows that the temperature rises outside the Earth are

> not of a similar causality as that of Earth. Give me a reasonable,

> logical and scientific study based argument with reference to

> reproducible, peer reviewed studies and not exclamatory remarks and

> references to politicized adversary-denigrating blogs citing spot

> readings from here and there along with 100,000 random Google-generated links.

>

>

>

> At 04:01 PM 7/16/2006, you wrote:

>

>

>> ,

>>

>> Could it be that there is more energy being transfer from the sun to the

>> planets, which the satellite is not sensitive to, but which causes a

>> heating effect on all the planets e.g. greater infra red, an increase in

>> the solar wind, greater gravitational tides etc. Even if this energy

>> does not directly cause heating, it may cause secondary heating effects

>> e.g. from friction.

>>

>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Hi :

Yes, this is quite interesting. For some reason I couldn't connect

to sciencedaily.com, I'll try again later - perhaps their servers are

overloaded at the moment.

I recall reading a study on this a few years ago. It seemed

inconclusive at the time as to whether aerosols in the atmosphere

might absorb and/or retain solar heat or reflect it back into

space. I would imagine that both effects probably take place, in

addition to secondary effects on cloud formation. If they disperse

clouds, there would be more warming, I presume. If they create more

clouds, since clouds are good at reflecting solar heat back into

space, this could create a cooling effect. There have been

discussions that the use of certain aerosols could help to ameliorate

some global warming as well.

One thing that occurred to me when reading your post was speculating

that this may be the mechanism, if it accelerates warming, that could

be responsible for the seeming acceleration in global warming that we

are now seeing that goes beyond all the greenhouse gas based

models. Recall my previous post, showing clear data that some of

Greenland's glaciers have accelerated their marches to the sea by a

factor of 3 in the last decade. That seems ominous.

I look forward to reading the Science Daily research. Thanks.

At 12:49 PM 7/19/2006, you wrote:

>,

>

>This research could throw a spanner in some global climate models.

>

>http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/07/060719085650.htm

>

>Tiny Airborne Particles Found To Be A Major Cause Of Climate Change

>

>Quote of first two paragraphs :

>

> " A scientist at the Weizmann Institute of Science and his colleagues

>caused a storm in the atmospheric community when they suggested a few

>years back that tiny airborne particles, known as aerosols, may be one

>of the main culprits causing climate change ­ having, on a local scale,

>an even greater impact than the greenhouse gases effect. Attempts to

>understand how these particles influence clouds have generated many

>uncertainties.

>

>A new paper by Dr. Ilan Koren of the Weizmann Institute Environmental

>Studies and Energy Research Department and Dr. Yoram Kauffman of the

>NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center, USA,* published in Science Express

>online, weaves together two opposing effects of atmospheric aerosols to

>provide a comprehensive picture of how they may be affecting our climate.

> "

>

>

>

>

> Brown wrote:

> > Hi :

> >

> > I carefully thought about your concern, which is quite valid,

> > regarding whether our measurements that Solar output are relatively

> > constant could be flawed - could miss something that could be heating

> > Earth and the other planets in the Solar System. Being an electronic

> > engineer and having been a biomedical instrumentation researcher for

> > the space program, I am very much aware of the precision and

> > limitations of scientific instruments.

> >

> > In addition, there should always be in science, an opening to be

> > skeptical and to question any scientific study or conclusion. This

> > skepticism and criticism must be done using science and reason and

> > without a priori agendas. That is why medical review insists on

> > double blind studies - Neither the doctor nor the patient nor the

> > researcher knows which patients get the drug or substance under test

> > and which get placebos and it must sufficient numbers to have

> > statistical significance. Even with these stringent rules, some

> > nefarious researchers with hidden agendas have managed to manipulate

> > data in their favors.

> >

> > Back to the point of your question, I believe the solar output

> > satellites measure both visible and infrared output from the

> > Sun. They are very precise and reliable and cover a broad

> > spectrum. It is conceivable, but seems highly unlikely, that

> > electromagnetic radiation outside of this measured spectrum could

> > ever be output at sufficient levels to cause significant heating in

> > the planets. Even if there were such radiation heating all the

> > planets, it is still true that increased greenhouse gas on the Earth

> > would further enhance this heating effect on Earth. It should be

> > noted that there are many satellites and Earth-based instruments

> > measuring most of the electromagnetic spectrum output by the Sun and

> > all correlate to measuring that the Sun's output is relatively

> > constant, and not increasing beyond what has been previously

> > measured. It does vary, has cycles, etc but it is well within the

> > known limits by all current measurements.

> >

> > All the truly scientific studies I have seen regarding global warming

> > on other planets have specifically stated why they don't relate to

> > each other or to Earth's global warming.trend for different

> > reasons. If you look at most of the links that Dave sent out, Google

> > searches that were flooded with highly politicized blogging sites

> > that denigrate anyone who is against their belief systems. I loved

> > the one showing Al Gore with his eyes bugging out and spewing

> > something, I guess global warming, out of his mouth - very

> > cute. That really is convincing. They promote that anyone who

> > agrees with the evidence that Earth's global warming is primarily

> > caused by vastly increased greenhouse gas (an unmistakable fact is

> > that we have over double the greenhouse gas levels of anytime in the

> > past 600,000 years and likely 43,000,000 years) is a wild liberal

> > fanatic that sleeps with spotted owls, hugs trees, shoots

> > hard-working lumberjacks and is against the American Way.

> >

> > They promote, without much in the way of solid, peer reviewed

> > scientific study, that global warming is a natural cycle of the sun

> > and/or that the evidence for greenhouse-gas based global warming of

> > the Earth has been manufactured for political reasons. One

> > science-oriented blog author at least tried to " prove " that the

> > previously established estimates of how much greenhouse gases warm

> > the Earth are off by orders of magnitude, but this again was not a

> > peer-reviewed or well documented scientific study, if they can prove

> > that with reproducible studies, I'd listen. But there have already

> > been (before global warming was a political issue) peer reviewed.

> > reproducible studies on the effect of greenhouse gases. Could they

> > have been in error? Perhaps, show me the proof.

> >

> > In fact, I have agreed in previous posts, that some of the reasonable

> > criticism of the global warming science - the part that is based

> > mainly on computer models of climate - is not good science

> > either. It is interesting and useful and we should do it, but to

> > pass off a computer model's prediction as science is just as bad as

> > the bad " science " on the other side. These proponents believe truly

> > that a single uncertain temperature reading on Pluto coupled with a

> > storm on Jupiter or any number of other isolated single and uncertain

> > spot readings across the solar system indicating possible warming -

> > in the face of extremely certain,accurate and constant solar output

> > readings - indicate that the solar output really is increasing. Both

> > of these positions are political and neither are science. Science is

> > about careful studies that correlate with other evidence and are

> > reproducible..

> >

> > Nevertheless, there is ample evidence that greenhouse gas

> > significantly warms the atmosphere of planets and of course enhances

> > any solar warming effect that may be present. This has been well

> > accepted scientific knowledge way before the concept of global

> > warming ever surfaced, it isn't a new theory at all. Also, most, if

> > not all of the warming events on other planets appear to be short

> > term variations.

> >

> > In fact the latest readings from Pluto now show cooling, not

> > warming. This, from one of the Google-generated links that Dave sent

> > out. One wonders if he read beyond the titles in the Google search

> > page. Read all the links, I've read several from each of Dave's

> > Google searches, including the specific ones that I put out and

> > you'll most likely understand why none of these blogs that allegedly

> > link Earth's warming to the warming observed elsewhere in the Solar

> > System are convincing. They're not science for the most part and the

> > real science shows that the temperature rises outside the Earth are

> > not of a similar causality as that of Earth. Give me a reasonable,

> > logical and scientific study based argument with reference to

> > reproducible, peer reviewed studies and not exclamatory remarks and

> > references to politicized adversary-denigrating blogs citing spot

> > readings from here and there along with 100,000 random

> Google-generated links.

> >

> >

> >

> > At 04:01 PM 7/16/2006, you wrote:

> >

> >

> >> ,

> >>

> >> Could it be that there is more energy being transfer from the sun to the

> >> planets, which the satellite is not sensitive to, but which causes a

> >> heating effect on all the planets e.g. greater infra red, an increase in

> >> the solar wind, greater gravitational tides etc. Even if this energy

> >> does not directly cause heating, it may cause secondary heating effects

> >> e.g. from friction.

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

>

>

>

>

>Note: This forum is for discussion of health related subjects but

>under no circumstances should any information published here be

>considered a substitute for personal medical advice from a qualified

>physician. -the owner

>

[Guest guest]

Just a note that the global warming article implicates tiny particles.

My story of chemtrails comes to mind; during the spraying in our area,

quite a few otherwise healthy people were coming in with raw and

bleeding sinuses. A column of around that time claimed to know through

lab work that there were metallic elements in the aerosol. I didn't

investigate further.

Duncan

> " A scientist at the Weizmann Institute of Science and his colleagues

> caused a storm in the atmospheric community when they suggested a

few

> years back that tiny airborne particles, known as aerosols, may be

one

> of the main culprits causing climate change

[Guest guest]

I just bothered to actually Google the terms. Granted, Pluto isn't the

best example due to it's eccentric orbit, but what's happening on the

other planets and large moons should prove illuminating..

However, If you want to ignore the evidence to the contrary... Go right

ahead.

But mark my words: The hysteria about global warming will prove

extremely damaging to the environmental movement once it is revealed to

be the debacle it is. And this is *not* a good thing.

Brown wrote:

>

> Hi:

>

> I've looked at these and below, as an example, is a quote from the

> article at the top of your previous search list about global warming

> on Pluto:

>

> Jay Pasachoff, an astronomy professor at College, said that

> Pluto's global warming was " likely not connected with that of the

> Earth. The major way they could be connected is if the warming was

> caused by a large increase in sunlight. But the solar constant--the

> amount of sunlight received each second--is carefully monitored by

> spacecraft, and we know the sun's output is much too steady to be

> changing the temperature of Pluto. "

>

> Did you actually read the articles or are you basing your opinion on

> Google search titles?

>

>

>

> At 08:18 AM 7/16/2006, you wrote:

>

> >Check it out!

> >

>

><http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+m\

ars & btnG=Search

>

<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+ma\

rs & btnG=Search>>http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=globa\

l+warming+on+mars & btnG=Search

>

<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+ma\

rs & btnG=Search>

> >

>

>http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+jupiter & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+jupiter & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

> >

>

><http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>http://www.goog\

le.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as_e\

pq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=an\

y & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

> >

>

>http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+triton & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+triton & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

> >

>

><http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>http://www.goog\

le.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as_e\

pq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=an\

y & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

> >

>

>http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+neptune & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+neptune & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

> >

> >a1thighmaster wrote:

> > >

> > > Dave,

> > >

> > > What exactly is it that makes you think that all the planets in the

> > > solar system are warming?

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > > Celeste

> > >

> > > Dave Narby wrote:

> > > > So how do you explain the fact that all the planets in the solar

> system

> > > > are warming...?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >--

> >This is your brain on politics:

> >

> ><http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060131092225.htm

>

<http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060131092225.htm>>http://www.scien\

cedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060131092225.htm

> <http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060131092225.htm>

> >

> >Yep! You've been an annoying zombie all these years.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Thanks ,

For pointing out that an increase in solar radiation is the most likely

culprit.

If you want an explanation as to how this sort of debacle could happen

in the supposedly fact based and objective world of science, read this

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/5181008.stm

and this

http://www.lesjones.com/posts/001657.shtml

Best regards,

Dave Narby

nospam.rwp@... wrote:

>

> ,

>

> Could it be that there is more energy being transfer from the sun to the

> planets, which the satellite is not sensitive to, but which causes a

> heating effect on all the planets e.g. greater infra red, an increase in

> the solar wind, greater gravitational tides etc. Even if this energy

> does not directly cause heating, it may cause secondary heating effects

> e.g. from friction.

>

>

>

> Brown wrote:

> > Hi:

> >

> > I've looked at these and below, as an example, is a quote from the

> > article at the top of your previous search list about global warming

> on Pluto:

> >

> > Jay Pasachoff, an astronomy professor at College, said that

> > Pluto's global warming was " likely not connected with that of the

> > Earth. The major way they could be connected is if the warming was

> > caused by a large increase in sunlight. But the solar constant--the

> > amount of sunlight received each second--is carefully monitored by

> > spacecraft, and we know the sun's output is much too steady to be

> > changing the temperature of Pluto. "

> >

> > Did you actually read the articles or are you basing your opinion on

> > Google search titles?

> >

> >

> >

> > At 08:18 AM 7/16/2006, you wrote:

> >

> >

> >> Check it out!

> >>

> >>

>

<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+ma\

rs & btnG=Search

>

<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+ma\

rs & btnG=Search>>http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=globa\

l+warming+on+mars & btnG=Search

>

<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+ma\

rs & btnG=Search>

> >>

> >>

>

http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+jupiter & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+jupiter & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

> >>

> >>

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>http://www.goog\

le.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as_e\

pq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=an\

y & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

> >>

> >>

>

http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+triton & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Goo\

gle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_\

nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+triton & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

> >>

> >>

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>http://www.goog\

le.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as_e\

pq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=an\

y & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

> >>

> >>

>

http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+neptune & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+neptune & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

> >>

> >> a1thighmaster wrote:

> >>

> >>> Dave,

> >>>

> >>> What exactly is it that makes you think that all the planets in the

> >>> solar system are warming?

> >>>

> >>> Best regards,

> >>> Celeste

> >>>

> >>> Dave Narby wrote:

> >>>

> >>>> So how do you explain the fact that all the planets in the solar

> system

> >>>> are warming...?

> >>>>

>

>

--

This is your brain on politics:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060131092225.htm

Yep! You've been an annoying zombie all these years.

[Guest guest]

Uh-huh.

http://www.astronomy.com/asy/default.aspx?c=a & id=3503

Similar to how you are not impressed by satire; a volume of words does

not impress me.

Brown wrote:

>

> Hi :

>

> I carefully thought about your concern, which is quite valid,

> regarding whether our measurements that Solar output are relatively

> constant could be flawed - could miss something that could be heating

> Earth and the other planets in the Solar System. Being an electronic

> engineer and having been a biomedical instrumentation researcher for

> the space program, I am very much aware of the precision and

> limitations of scientific instruments.

>

> In addition, there should always be in science, an opening to be

> skeptical and to question any scientific study or conclusion. This

> skepticism and criticism must be done using science and reason and

> without a priori agendas. That is why medical review insists on

> double blind studies - Neither the doctor nor the patient nor the

> researcher knows which patients get the drug or substance under test

> and which get placebos and it must sufficient numbers to have

> statistical significance. Even with these stringent rules, some

> nefarious researchers with hidden agendas have managed to manipulate

> data in their favors.

>

> Back to the point of your question, I believe the solar output

> satellites measure both visible and infrared output from the

> Sun. They are very precise and reliable and cover a broad

> spectrum. It is conceivable, but seems highly unlikely, that

> electromagnetic radiation outside of this measured spectrum could

> ever be output at sufficient levels to cause significant heating in

> the planets. Even if there were such radiation heating all the

> planets, it is still true that increased greenhouse gas on the Earth

> would further enhance this heating effect on Earth. It should be

> noted that there are many satellites and Earth-based instruments

> measuring most of the electromagnetic spectrum output by the Sun and

> all correlate to measuring that the Sun's output is relatively

> constant, and not increasing beyond what has been previously

> measured. It does vary, has cycles, etc but it is well within the

> known limits by all current measurements.

>

> All the truly scientific studies I have seen regarding global warming

> on other planets have specifically stated why they don't relate to

> each other or to Earth's global warming.trend for different

> reasons. If you look at most of the links that Dave sent out, Google

> searches that were flooded with highly politicized blogging sites

> that denigrate anyone who is against their belief systems. I loved

> the one showing Al Gore with his eyes bugging out and spewing

> something, I guess global warming, out of his mouth - very

> cute. That really is convincing. They promote that anyone who

> agrees with the evidence that Earth's global warming is primarily

> caused by vastly increased greenhouse gas (an unmistakable fact is

> that we have over double the greenhouse gas levels of anytime in the

> past 600,000 years and likely 43,000,000 years) is a wild liberal

> fanatic that sleeps with spotted owls, hugs trees, shoots

> hard-working lumberjacks and is against the American Way.

>

> They promote, without much in the way of solid, peer reviewed

> scientific study, that global warming is a natural cycle of the sun

> and/or that the evidence for greenhouse-gas based global warming of

> the Earth has been manufactured for political reasons. One

> science-oriented blog author at least tried to " prove " that the

> previously established estimates of how much greenhouse gases warm

> the Earth are off by orders of magnitude, but this again was not a

> peer-reviewed or well documented scientific study, if they can prove

> that with reproducible studies, I'd listen. But there have already

> been (before global warming was a political issue) peer reviewed.

> reproducible studies on the effect of greenhouse gases. Could they

> have been in error? Perhaps, show me the proof.

>

> In fact, I have agreed in previous posts, that some of the reasonable

> criticism of the global warming science - the part that is based

> mainly on computer models of climate - is not good science

> either. It is interesting and useful and we should do it, but to

> pass off a computer model's prediction as science is just as bad as

> the bad " science " on the other side. These proponents believe truly

> that a single uncertain temperature reading on Pluto coupled with a

> storm on Jupiter or any number of other isolated single and uncertain

> spot readings across the solar system indicating possible warming -

> in the face of extremely certain,accurate and constant solar output

> readings - indicate that the solar output really is increasing. Both

> of these positions are political and neither are science. Science is

> about careful studies that correlate with other evidence and are

> reproducible..

>

> Nevertheless, there is ample evidence that greenhouse gas

> significantly warms the atmosphere of planets and of course enhances

> any solar warming effect that may be present. This has been well

> accepted scientific knowledge way before the concept of global

> warming ever surfaced, it isn't a new theory at all. Also, most, if

> not all of the warming events on other planets appear to be short

> term variations.

>

> In fact the latest readings from Pluto now show cooling, not

> warming. This, from one of the Google-generated links that Dave sent

> out. One wonders if he read beyond the titles in the Google search

> page. Read all the links, I've read several from each of Dave's

> Google searches, including the specific ones that I put out and

> you'll most likely understand why none of these blogs that allegedly

> link Earth's warming to the warming observed elsewhere in the Solar

> System are convincing. They're not science for the most part and the

> real science shows that the temperature rises outside the Earth are

> not of a similar causality as that of Earth. Give me a reasonable,

> logical and scientific study based argument with reference to

> reproducible, peer reviewed studies and not exclamatory remarks and

> references to politicized adversary-denigrating blogs citing spot

> readings from here and there along with 100,000 random

> Google-generated links.

>

>

>

> At 04:01 PM 7/16/2006, you wrote:

>

> >,

> >

> >Could it be that there is more energy being transfer from the sun to the

> >planets, which the satellite is not sensitive to, but which causes a

> >heating effect on all the planets e.g. greater infra red, an increase in

> >the solar wind, greater gravitational tides etc. Even if this energy

> >does not directly cause heating, it may cause secondary heating effects

> >e.g. from friction.

> >

> >

> >

> > Brown wrote:

> > > Hi:

> > >

> > > I've looked at these and below, as an example, is a quote from the

> > > article at the top of your previous search list about global

> > warming on Pluto:

> > >

> > > Jay Pasachoff, an astronomy professor at College, said that

> > > Pluto's global warming was " likely not connected with that of the

> > > Earth. The major way they could be connected is if the warming was

> > > caused by a large increase in sunlight. But the solar constant--the

> > > amount of sunlight received each second--is carefully monitored by

> > > spacecraft, and we know the sun's output is much too steady to be

> > > changing the temperature of Pluto. "

> > >

> > > Did you actually read the articles or are you basing your opinion on

> > > Google search titles?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > At 08:18 AM 7/16/2006, you wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >> Check it out!

> > >>

> > >>

> >

>

<<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+m\

ars & btnG=Search

>

<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+ma\

rs & btnG=Search>>http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=globa\

l+warming+on+mars & btnG=Search

>

<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+ma\

rs & btnG=Search>>http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=globa\

l+warming+on+mars & btnG=Search

>

<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+ma\

rs & btnG=Search>

> > >>

> > >>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+jupiter & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+jupiter & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>http://www.goo\

gle.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+jupiter & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as\

_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=\

any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+jupiter & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

> > >>

> > >>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>><http://www.goo\

gle.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as_\

epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=a\

ny & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>http://www.goog\

le.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as_e\

pq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=an\

y & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

> > >>

> > >>

> >

>

http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+triton & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Goo\

gle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_\

nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+triton & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

> > >>

> > >>

> >

>

<<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>http://www.goog\

le.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as_e\

pq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=an\

y & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>http://www.goog\

le.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as_e\

pq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=an\

y & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

> > >>

> > >>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+neptune & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+neptune & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>http://www.goo\

gle.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+neptune & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as\

_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=\

any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+neptune & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

> > >>

> > >> a1thighmaster wrote:

> > >>

> > >>> Dave,

> > >>>

> > >>> What exactly is it that makes you think that all the planets in the

> > >>> solar system are warming?

> > >>>

> > >>> Best regards,

> > >>> Celeste

> > >>>

> > >>> Dave Narby wrote:

> > >>>

> > >>>> So how do you explain the fact that all the planets in the

> solar system

> > >>>> are warming...?

> > >>>>

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dave:

I would agree with you if it were cut and dried, but it will never be

" revealed "

even if global warming proponents are wrong. We will not know for sure

even as the oceans currents die and the ice caps thaw.

In the spirit of your comment, I think that global warming is a red

herring.

Even if it were proven 100% to be true, we could (would) not make the

reverses necessary to change the outcome. The western world is just

too committed to business as usual. Even our proposed fixes are just nods

to other industries. The alcohol program is aimed at Cargill instead of

Exxon

Mobil. Both major parties love big business, just in different

proportions.

Jim

Dave Narby wrote:

> I just bothered to actually Google the terms. Granted, Pluto isn't the

> best example due to it's eccentric orbit, but what's happening on the

> other planets and large moons should prove illuminating..

>

> However, If you want to ignore the evidence to the contrary... Go right

> ahead.

>

> But mark my words: The hysteria about global warming will prove

> extremely damaging to the environmental movement once it is revealed to

> be the debacle it is. And this is *not* a good thing.

>

> Brown wrote:

> >

> > Hi:

> >

> > I've looked at these and below, as an example, is a quote from the

> > article at the top of your previous search list about global warming

> > on Pluto:

> >

> > Jay Pasachoff, an astronomy professor at College, said that

> > Pluto's global warming was " likely not connected with that of the

> > Earth. The major way they could be connected is if the warming was

> > caused by a large increase in sunlight. But the solar constant--the

> > amount of sunlight received each second--is carefully monitored by

> > spacecraft, and we know the sun's output is much too steady to be

> > changing the temperature of Pluto. "

> >

> > Did you actually read the articles or are you basing your opinion on

> > Google search titles?

> >

> >

> >

> > At 08:18 AM 7/16/2006, you wrote:

> >

> > >Check it out!

> > >

> >

>

><http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+m\

ars & btnG=Search

>

<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+ma\

rs & btnG=Search>

>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+ma\

rs & btnG=Search

>

<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+ma\

rs & btnG=Search>>>http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=glob\

al+warming+on+mars & btnG=Search

>

<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+ma\

rs & btnG=Search>

>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+ma\

rs & btnG=Search

>

<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+ma\

rs & btnG=Search>>

> > >

> >

>

>http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+jupiter & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+jupiter & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+jupiter & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+jupiter & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>

> > >

> >

>

><http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>>http://www.goo\

gle.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as_\

epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=a\

ny & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>

> > >

> >

>

>http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+triton & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+triton & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+triton & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+triton & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>

> > >

> >

>

><http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>>http://www.goo\

gle.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as_\

epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=a\

ny & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>

> > >

> >

>

>http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+neptune & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+neptune & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+neptune & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+neptune & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>

> > >

> > >a1thighmaster wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dave,

> > > >

> > > > What exactly is it that makes you think that all the planets in the

> > > > solar system are warming?

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > > Celeste

> > > >

> > > > Dave Narby wrote:

> > > > > So how do you explain the fact that all the planets in the solar

> > system

> > > > > are warming...?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >--

> > >This is your brain on politics:

> > >

> > ><http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060131092225.htm

> <http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060131092225.htm>

> > <http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060131092225.htm

>

<http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060131092225.htm>>>http://www.scie\

ncedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060131092225.htm

> <http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060131092225.htm>

> > <http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060131092225.htm

> <http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060131092225.htm>>

> > >

> > >Yep! You've been an annoying zombie all these years.

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Not to mention

http://www.livescience.com/environment/051208_cloud_definition.html

The Definition of 'Cloud' Gets Cloudy

and

Scientists Clueless over Sun's Effect on Earth

http://www.livescience.com/environment/050505_earth_bright.html

Seems to me there's a whole toolbox of spanners being chucked in the

gearbox, it's just that the global warming machine has a tremendous

amount of momentum...

nospam.rwp@... wrote:

> ,

>

> This research could throw a spanner in some global climate models.

>

> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/07/060719085650.htm

>

> Tiny Airborne Particles Found To Be A Major Cause Of Climate Change

>

> Quote of first two paragraphs :

>

> " A scientist at the Weizmann Institute of Science and his colleagues

> caused a storm in the atmospheric community when they suggested a few

> years back that tiny airborne particles, known as aerosols, may be one

> of the main culprits causing climate change – having, on a local scale,

> an even greater impact than the greenhouse gases effect. Attempts to

> understand how these particles influence clouds have generated many

> uncertainties.

>

> A new paper by Dr. Ilan Koren of the Weizmann Institute Environmental

> Studies and Energy Research Department and Dr. Yoram Kauffman of the

> NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center, USA,* published in Science Express

> online, weaves together two opposing effects of atmospheric aerosols to

> provide a comprehensive picture of how they may be affecting our climate.

> "

>

>

>

>

> Brown wrote:

>

>> Hi :

>>

>> I carefully thought about your concern, which is quite valid,

>> regarding whether our measurements that Solar output are relatively

>> constant could be flawed - could miss something that could be heating

>> Earth and the other planets in the Solar System. Being an electronic

>> engineer and having been a biomedical instrumentation researcher for

>> the space program, I am very much aware of the precision and

>> limitations of scientific instruments.

>>

>> In addition, there should always be in science, an opening to be

>> skeptical and to question any scientific study or conclusion. This

>> skepticism and criticism must be done using science and reason and

>> without a priori agendas. That is why medical review insists on

>> double blind studies - Neither the doctor nor the patient nor the

>> researcher knows which patients get the drug or substance under test

>> and which get placebos and it must sufficient numbers to have

>> statistical significance. Even with these stringent rules, some

>> nefarious researchers with hidden agendas have managed to manipulate

>> data in their favors.

>>

>> Back to the point of your question, I believe the solar output

>> satellites measure both visible and infrared output from the

>> Sun. They are very precise and reliable and cover a broad

>> spectrum. It is conceivable, but seems highly unlikely, that

>> electromagnetic radiation outside of this measured spectrum could

>> ever be output at sufficient levels to cause significant heating in

>> the planets. Even if there were such radiation heating all the

>> planets, it is still true that increased greenhouse gas on the Earth

>> would further enhance this heating effect on Earth. It should be

>> noted that there are many satellites and Earth-based instruments

>> measuring most of the electromagnetic spectrum output by the Sun and

>> all correlate to measuring that the Sun's output is relatively

>> constant, and not increasing beyond what has been previously

>> measured. It does vary, has cycles, etc but it is well within the

>> known limits by all current measurements.

>>

>> All the truly scientific studies I have seen regarding global warming

>> on other planets have specifically stated why they don't relate to

>> each other or to Earth's global warming.trend for different

>> reasons. If you look at most of the links that Dave sent out, Google

>> searches that were flooded with highly politicized blogging sites

>> that denigrate anyone who is against their belief systems. I loved

>> the one showing Al Gore with his eyes bugging out and spewing

>> something, I guess global warming, out of his mouth - very

>> cute. That really is convincing. They promote that anyone who

>> agrees with the evidence that Earth's global warming is primarily

>> caused by vastly increased greenhouse gas (an unmistakable fact is

>> that we have over double the greenhouse gas levels of anytime in the

>> past 600,000 years and likely 43,000,000 years) is a wild liberal

>> fanatic that sleeps with spotted owls, hugs trees, shoots

>> hard-working lumberjacks and is against the American Way.

>>

>> They promote, without much in the way of solid, peer reviewed

>> scientific study, that global warming is a natural cycle of the sun

>> and/or that the evidence for greenhouse-gas based global warming of

>> the Earth has been manufactured for political reasons. One

>> science-oriented blog author at least tried to " prove " that the

>> previously established estimates of how much greenhouse gases warm

>> the Earth are off by orders of magnitude, but this again was not a

>> peer-reviewed or well documented scientific study, if they can prove

>> that with reproducible studies, I'd listen. But there have already

>> been (before global warming was a political issue) peer reviewed.

>> reproducible studies on the effect of greenhouse gases. Could they

>> have been in error? Perhaps, show me the proof.

>>

>> In fact, I have agreed in previous posts, that some of the reasonable

>> criticism of the global warming science - the part that is based

>> mainly on computer models of climate - is not good science

>> either. It is interesting and useful and we should do it, but to

>> pass off a computer model's prediction as science is just as bad as

>> the bad " science " on the other side. These proponents believe truly

>> that a single uncertain temperature reading on Pluto coupled with a

>> storm on Jupiter or any number of other isolated single and uncertain

>> spot readings across the solar system indicating possible warming -

>> in the face of extremely certain,accurate and constant solar output

>> readings - indicate that the solar output really is increasing. Both

>> of these positions are political and neither are science. Science is

>> about careful studies that correlate with other evidence and are

>> reproducible..

>>

>> Nevertheless, there is ample evidence that greenhouse gas

>> significantly warms the atmosphere of planets and of course enhances

>> any solar warming effect that may be present. This has been well

>> accepted scientific knowledge way before the concept of global

>> warming ever surfaced, it isn't a new theory at all. Also, most, if

>> not all of the warming events on other planets appear to be short

>> term variations.

>>

>> In fact the latest readings from Pluto now show cooling, not

>> warming. This, from one of the Google-generated links that Dave sent

>> out. One wonders if he read beyond the titles in the Google search

>> page. Read all the links, I've read several from each of Dave's

>> Google searches, including the specific ones that I put out and

>> you'll most likely understand why none of these blogs that allegedly

>> link Earth's warming to the warming observed elsewhere in the Solar

>> System are convincing. They're not science for the most part and the

>> real science shows that the temperature rises outside the Earth are

>> not of a similar causality as that of Earth. Give me a reasonable,

>> logical and scientific study based argument with reference to

>> reproducible, peer reviewed studies and not exclamatory remarks and

>> references to politicized adversary-denigrating blogs citing spot

>> readings from here and there along with 100,000 random Google-generated

links.

>>

>>

>>

>> At 04:01 PM 7/16/2006, you wrote:

>>

>>

>>

>>> ,

>>>

>>> Could it be that there is more energy being transfer from the sun to the

>>> planets, which the satellite is not sensitive to, but which causes a

>>> heating effect on all the planets e.g. greater infra red, an increase in

>>> the solar wind, greater gravitational tides etc. Even if this energy

>>> does not directly cause heating, it may cause secondary heating effects

>>> e.g. from friction.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>

>

>

>

> Note: This forum is for discussion of health related subjects but under no

circumstances should any information published here be considered a substitute

for personal medical advice from a qualified physician. -the owner

>

[Guest guest]

Feynman was the character that pulled the control plug on ph

Papp's

engine and killed a man as a result. This resulted in Cal Tech losing a

law suite to Papp.

It should have been worse.

http://www.infinite-energy.com/iemagazine/issue51/papp.html

If he had not made that stupid mistake, we may have seen the actual

benefits of what could

have been the end of gasoline powered vehicles. As it is, Papp died

with his inert gas fuel

composition in his head. There is speculation that his engine was a

strange nuclear device and

his quick death from cancer as a result of his not knowing that he was

subjecting himself to

close-up doses of radiation as he demonstrated and worked on his engine.

In any case, Feynman could never qualify as a hero of mine after that

debacle.

Jim.

Dave Narby wrote:

> Thanks ,

>

> For pointing out that an increase in solar radiation is the most likely

> culprit.

>

> If you want an explanation as to how this sort of debacle could happen

> in the supposedly fact based and objective world of science, read this

>

> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/5181008.stm

> <http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/5181008.stm>

>

> and this

>

> http://www.lesjones.com/posts/001657.shtml

> <http://www.lesjones.com/posts/001657.shtml>

>

> Best regards,

>

> Dave Narby

>

> nospam.rwp@... <mailto:nospam.rwp%40dsl.pipex.com> wrote:

> >

> > ,

> >

> > Could it be that there is more energy being transfer from the sun to the

> > planets, which the satellite is not sensitive to, but which causes a

> > heating effect on all the planets e.g. greater infra red, an increase in

> > the solar wind, greater gravitational tides etc. Even if this energy

> > does not directly cause heating, it may cause secondary heating effects

> > e.g. from friction.

> >

> >

> >

> > Brown wrote:

> > > Hi:

> > >

> > > I've looked at these and below, as an example, is a quote from the

> > > article at the top of your previous search list about global warming

> > on Pluto:

> > >

> > > Jay Pasachoff, an astronomy professor at College, said that

> > > Pluto's global warming was " likely not connected with that of the

> > > Earth. The major way they could be connected is if the warming was

> > > caused by a large increase in sunlight. But the solar constant--the

> > > amount of sunlight received each second--is carefully monitored by

> > > spacecraft, and we know the sun's output is much too steady to be

> > > changing the temperature of Pluto. "

> > >

> > > Did you actually read the articles or are you basing your opinion on

> > > Google search titles?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > At 08:18 AM 7/16/2006, you wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >> Check it out!

> > >>

> > >>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+ma\

rs & btnG=Search

>

<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+ma\

rs & btnG=Search>

>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+ma\

rs & btnG=Search

>

<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+ma\

rs & btnG=Search>>>http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=glob\

al+warming+on+mars & btnG=Search

>

<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+ma\

rs & btnG=Search>

>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+ma\

rs & btnG=Search

>

<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+ma\

rs & btnG=Search>>

> > >>

> > >>

> >

>

http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+jupiter & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+jupiter & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+jupiter & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+jupiter & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>

> > >>

> > >>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>>http://www.goo\

gle.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as_\

epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=a\

ny & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>

> > >>

> > >>

> >

>

http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+triton & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Goo\

gle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_\

nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+triton & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+triton & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+triton & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>

> > >>

> > >>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>>http://www.goo\

gle.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as_\

epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=a\

ny & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>

> > >>

> > >>

> >

>

http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+neptune & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+neptune & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+neptune & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+neptune & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>

> > >>

> > >> a1thighmaster wrote:

> > >>

> > >>> Dave,

> > >>>

> > >>> What exactly is it that makes you think that all the planets in the

> > >>> solar system are warming?

> > >>>

> > >>> Best regards,

> > >>> Celeste

> > >>>

> > >>> Dave Narby wrote:

> > >>>

> > >>>> So how do you explain the fact that all the planets in the solar

> > system

> > >>>> are warming...?

> > >>>>

> >

> >

>

> --

> This is your brain on politics:

>

> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060131092225.htm

> <http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060131092225.htm>

>

> Yep! You've been an annoying zombie all these years.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Dave:

That is your opinion. Opinions and spot data points don't count in

science. Reproducible results do. Interesting data points should be

investigated to see where they lead. In terms of the whole solar

system warming, there doesn't really appear to be any clear evidence

of that at this point. There are a few data points and some of them

clearly contradict this concept.

As I previously said, the dependence on computer models is not

science either. It gives interesting predictions, but it is not

scientific evidence. That avenue of research should be clearly

branded for what it is. It is not as good as the weather report and

may be as good as your newspaper's astrology column is for predicting

what will happen. The possibilities that it predicts should be

investigated, but models only do that, they help us to focus on what

should be more carefully investigated and what may - given the limits

of the model - happen.

To the extent that global warming is predicted by these complex

models, I agree with you, but there is also pretty convincing,

reproducible and solid scientific evidence that human activity is

behind much of global warming. And that is more than opinion. The

exact amount is not yet possible to predict. Whether it is mostly

from CO2 or other effects (like micro aerosols) is also hard to

quantize at this point.

People exaggerate on both ends of the spectrum because they feel

strongly about their perspectives, but those are opinions and not

science. Your opinion is well noted and even though I don't entirely

agree with it, I appreciate it. Thanks for sharing you opinion with me.

At 04:00 PM 7/19/2006, you wrote:

>I just bothered to actually Google the terms. Granted, Pluto isn't the

>best example due to it's eccentric orbit, but what's happening on the

>other planets and large moons should prove illuminating..

>

>However, If you want to ignore the evidence to the contrary... Go right

>ahead.

>

>But mark my words: The hysteria about global warming will prove

>extremely damaging to the environmental movement once it is revealed to

>be the debacle it is. And this is *not* a good thing.

>

> Brown wrote:

> >

> > Hi:

> >

> > I've looked at these and below, as an example, is a quote from the

> > article at the top of your previous search list about global warming

> > on Pluto:

> >

> > Jay Pasachoff, an astronomy professor at College, said that

> > Pluto's global warming was " likely not connected with that of the

> > Earth. The major way they could be connected is if the warming was

> > caused by a large increase in sunlight. But the solar constant--the

> > amount of sunlight received each second--is carefully monitored by

> > spacecraft, and we know the sun's output is much too steady to be

> > changing the temperature of Pluto. "

> >

> > Did you actually read the articles or are you basing your opinion on

> > Google search titles?

> >

> >

> >

> > At 08:18 AM 7/16/2006, you wrote:

> >

> > >Check it out!

> > >

> > ><<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=glob

>

al+warming+on+mars & btnG=Search>http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_\

qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+mars & btnG=Search

>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+ma\

rs & btnG=Search>><http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=glob\

al+warming+on+mars & btnG=Search>http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_\

qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+mars & btnG=Search

>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+ma\

rs & btnG=Search>

> > >

> > ><http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+jupiter & num=

>

30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qd\

r=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>\

http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+jupiter & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+jupiter & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

> > >

> > ><<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=

>

30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qd\

r=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>\

http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Goo\

gle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_\

nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>><http://www.goo\

gle.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as_\

epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=a\

ny & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>http://www.google.com/search?as\

_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq\

= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sit\

esearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

> > >

> > ><http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+triton & num=3

>

0 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr\

=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>h\

ttp://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+triton & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Goog\

le+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_n\

hi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+triton & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

> > >

> > ><<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=

>

30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qd\

r=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>\

http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Goo\

gle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_\

nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>><http://www.goo\

gle.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as_\

epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=a\

ny & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>http://www.google.com/search?as\

_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq\

= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sit\

esearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

> > >

> > ><http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+neptune & num=

>

30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qd\

r=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>\

http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+neptune & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+neptune & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

> > >

> > >a1thighmaster wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dave,

> > > >

> > > > What exactly is it that makes you think that all the planets in the

> > > > solar system are warming?

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > > Celeste

> > > >

> > > > Dave Narby wrote:

> > > > > So how do you explain the fact that all the planets in the solar

> > system

> > > > > are warming...?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >--

> > >This is your brain on politics:

> > >

> > ><<http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060131092225.htm>h

> ttp://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060131092225.htm

> >

>

<http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060131092225.htm>><http://www.scie\

ncedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060131092225.htm>http://www.sciencedaily.com/relea\

ses/2006/01/060131092225.htm

>

> > <http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060131092225.htm>

> > >

> > >Yep! You've been an annoying zombie all these years.

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hi:

Neither of these posts shows that there is an increase in solar

radiation. I've yet to see any evidence for that being a primary

cause of global warming. If it is, lets see the evidence, I'm

certainly open to it. I have no ego stake in its being one way or the other.

I've already spoken about the global warming models that I agree are

not science and perhaps they are part of this same " disease " that

Feynman talks about. I think of some of the dogmatic points

of view that I've seen appear to be science becoming like a religion,

if you don't believe in the standard accepted theory or you counter

it with new evidence, you may be branded a heretic. This is

especially true in medical science. This is not science. Science

should always be open to new evidence and should always be humble and

welcome evidence and theories whether they agree or disagree with

current understanding - with the caveat that they conform to the

rules of science.

I'm aware of both of these stories in your links and am an avid

reader of Feynmam. In the 1960s, he predicted the limits of

quantum computers and today, when several labs are finally working on

quantum computers, his predictions hold true including the probable

timing. He predicted that by about 2013 at the rate the technology

is progressing in chip technology (beyond 's law), we will have

a computer the size of a PDA today with 1,000 times the memory and

computation power of the human brain that will consume 1 watt of

electricity. Talk about battery life! The display backlights of

phones and PDAs take more power than that.

At 04:04 PM 7/19/2006, you wrote:

>Thanks ,

>

>For pointing out that an increase in solar radiation is the most likely

>culprit.

>

>If you want an explanation as to how this sort of debacle could happen

>in the supposedly fact based and objective world of science, read this

>

><http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/5181008.stm>http://news.bbc.co.uk/\

2/hi/uk_news/magazine/5181008.stm

>

>and this

>

><http://www.lesjones.com/posts/001657.shtml>http://www.lesjones.com/posts/00165\

7.shtml

>

>Best regards,

>

>Dave Narby

>

><mailto:nospam.rwp%40dsl.pipex.com>nospam.rwp@... wrote:

> >

> > ,

> >

> > Could it be that there is more energy being transfer from the sun to the

> > planets, which the satellite is not sensitive to, but which causes a

> > heating effect on all the planets e.g. greater infra red, an increase in

> > the solar wind, greater gravitational tides etc. Even if this energy

> > does not directly cause heating, it may cause secondary heating effects

> > e.g. from friction.

> >

> >

> >

> > Brown wrote:

> > > Hi:

> > >

> > > I've looked at these and below, as an example, is a quote from the

> > > article at the top of your previous search list about global warming

> > on Pluto:

> > >

> > > Jay Pasachoff, an astronomy professor at College, said that

> > > Pluto's global warming was " likely not connected with that of the

> > > Earth. The major way they could be connected is if the warming was

> > > caused by a large increase in sunlight. But the solar constant--the

> > > amount of sunlight received each second--is carefully monitored by

> > > spacecraft, and we know the sun's output is much too steady to be

> > > changing the temperature of Pluto. "

> > >

> > > Did you actually read the articles or are you basing your opinion on

> > > Google search titles?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > At 08:18 AM 7/16/2006, you wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >> Check it out!

> > >>

> > >>

> >

>

<<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+m\

ars & btnG=Search>http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=globa\

l+warming+on+mars & btnG=Search

>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+ma\

rs & btnG=Search>><http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=glob\

al+warming+on+mars & btnG=Search>http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_\

qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+mars & btnG=Search

>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+ma\

rs & btnG=Search>

> > >>

> > >>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+jupiter & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>http://www.goog\

le.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+jupiter & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as_\

epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=a\

ny & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+jupiter & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

> > >>

> > >>

> >

>

<<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>http://www.goog\

le.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as_e\

pq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=an\

y & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>><http://www.goo\

gle.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as_\

epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=a\

ny & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>http://www.google.com/search?as\

_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq\

= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sit\

esearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

> > >>

> > >>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+triton & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>http://www.googl\

e.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+triton & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as_ep\

q= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=any\

& as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+triton & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

> > >>

> > >>

> >

>

<<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>http://www.goog\

le.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as_e\

pq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=an\

y & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>><http://www.goo\

gle.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as_\

epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=a\

ny & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>http://www.google.com/search?as\

_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq\

= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sit\

esearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

> > >>

> > >>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+neptune & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>http://www.goog\

le.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+neptune & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as_\

epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=a\

ny & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+neptune & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

> > >>

> > >> a1thighmaster wrote:

> > >>

> > >>> Dave,

> > >>>

> > >>> What exactly is it that makes you think that all the planets in the

> > >>> solar system are warming?

> > >>>

> > >>> Best regards,

> > >>> Celeste

> > >>>

> > >>> Dave Narby wrote:

> > >>>

> > >>>> So how do you explain the fact that all the planets in the solar

> > system

> > >>>> are warming...?

> > >>>>

> >

> >

>

>--

>This is your brain on politics:

>

><http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060131092225.htm>http://www.scien\

cedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060131092225.htm

>

>Yep! You've been an annoying zombie all these years.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Satire? Is that personal? Where is your volume of evidence,

certainly not in this link.

At 04:43 PM 7/19/2006, you wrote:

>Uh-huh.

>

><http://www.astronomy.com/asy/default.aspx?c=a & id=3503>http://www.astronomy.com\

/asy/default.aspx?c=a & id=3503

>

>Similar to how you are not impressed by satire; a volume of words does

>not impress me.

>

> Brown wrote:

> >

> > Hi :

> >

> > I carefully thought about your concern, which is quite valid,

> > regarding whether our measurements that Solar output are relatively

> > constant could be flawed - could miss something that could be heating

> > Earth and the other planets in the Solar System. Being an electronic

> > engineer and having been a biomedical instrumentation researcher for

> > the space program, I am very much aware of the precision and

> > limitations of scientific instruments.

> >

> > In addition, there should always be in science, an opening to be

> > skeptical and to question any scientific study or conclusion. This

> > skepticism and criticism must be done using science and reason and

> > without a priori agendas. That is why medical review insists on

> > double blind studies - Neither the doctor nor the patient nor the

> > researcher knows which patients get the drug or substance under test

> > and which get placebos and it must sufficient numbers to have

> > statistical significance. Even with these stringent rules, some

> > nefarious researchers with hidden agendas have managed to manipulate

> > data in their favors.

> >

> > Back to the point of your question, I believe the solar output

> > satellites measure both visible and infrared output from the

> > Sun. They are very precise and reliable and cover a broad

> > spectrum. It is conceivable, but seems highly unlikely, that

> > electromagnetic radiation outside of this measured spectrum could

> > ever be output at sufficient levels to cause significant heating in

> > the planets. Even if there were such radiation heating all the

> > planets, it is still true that increased greenhouse gas on the Earth

> > would further enhance this heating effect on Earth. It should be

> > noted that there are many satellites and Earth-based instruments

> > measuring most of the electromagnetic spectrum output by the Sun and

> > all correlate to measuring that the Sun's output is relatively

> > constant, and not increasing beyond what has been previously

> > measured. It does vary, has cycles, etc but it is well within the

> > known limits by all current measurements.

> >

> > All the truly scientific studies I have seen regarding global warming

> > on other planets have specifically stated why they don't relate to

> > each other or to Earth's global warming.trend for different

> > reasons. If you look at most of the links that Dave sent out, Google

> > searches that were flooded with highly politicized blogging sites

> > that denigrate anyone who is against their belief systems. I loved

> > the one showing Al Gore with his eyes bugging out and spewing

> > something, I guess global warming, out of his mouth - very

> > cute. That really is convincing. They promote that anyone who

> > agrees with the evidence that Earth's global warming is primarily

> > caused by vastly increased greenhouse gas (an unmistakable fact is

> > that we have over double the greenhouse gas levels of anytime in the

> > past 600,000 years and likely 43,000,000 years) is a wild liberal

> > fanatic that sleeps with spotted owls, hugs trees, shoots

> > hard-working lumberjacks and is against the American Way.

> >

> > They promote, without much in the way of solid, peer reviewed

> > scientific study, that global warming is a natural cycle of the sun

> > and/or that the evidence for greenhouse-gas based global warming of

> > the Earth has been manufactured for political reasons. One

> > science-oriented blog author at least tried to " prove " that the

> > previously established estimates of how much greenhouse gases warm

> > the Earth are off by orders of magnitude, but this again was not a

> > peer-reviewed or well documented scientific study, if they can prove

> > that with reproducible studies, I'd listen. But there have already

> > been (before global warming was a political issue) peer reviewed.

> > reproducible studies on the effect of greenhouse gases. Could they

> > have been in error? Perhaps, show me the proof.

> >

> > In fact, I have agreed in previous posts, that some of the reasonable

> > criticism of the global warming science - the part that is based

> > mainly on computer models of climate - is not good science

> > either. It is interesting and useful and we should do it, but to

> > pass off a computer model's prediction as science is just as bad as

> > the bad " science " on the other side. These proponents believe truly

> > that a single uncertain temperature reading on Pluto coupled with a

> > storm on Jupiter or any number of other isolated single and uncertain

> > spot readings across the solar system indicating possible warming -

> > in the face of extremely certain,accurate and constant solar output

> > readings - indicate that the solar output really is increasing. Both

> > of these positions are political and neither are science. Science is

> > about careful studies that correlate with other evidence and are

> > reproducible..

> >

> > Nevertheless, there is ample evidence that greenhouse gas

> > significantly warms the atmosphere of planets and of course enhances

> > any solar warming effect that may be present. This has been well

> > accepted scientific knowledge way before the concept of global

> > warming ever surfaced, it isn't a new theory at all. Also, most, if

> > not all of the warming events on other planets appear to be short

> > term variations.

> >

> > In fact the latest readings from Pluto now show cooling, not

> > warming. This, from one of the Google-generated links that Dave sent

> > out. One wonders if he read beyond the titles in the Google search

> > page. Read all the links, I've read several from each of Dave's

> > Google searches, including the specific ones that I put out and

> > you'll most likely understand why none of these blogs that allegedly

> > link Earth's warming to the warming observed elsewhere in the Solar

> > System are convincing. They're not science for the most part and the

> > real science shows that the temperature rises outside the Earth are

> > not of a similar causality as that of Earth. Give me a reasonable,

> > logical and scientific study based argument with reference to

> > reproducible, peer reviewed studies and not exclamatory remarks and

> > references to politicized adversary-denigrating blogs citing spot

> > readings from here and there along with 100,000 random

> > Google-generated links.

> >

> >

> >

> > At 04:01 PM 7/16/2006, you wrote:

> >

> > >,

> > >

> > >Could it be that there is more energy being transfer from the sun to the

> > >planets, which the satellite is not sensitive to, but which causes a

> > >heating effect on all the planets e.g. greater infra red, an increase in

> > >the solar wind, greater gravitational tides etc. Even if this energy

> > >does not directly cause heating, it may cause secondary heating effects

> > >e.g. from friction.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Brown wrote:

> > > > Hi:

> > > >

> > > > I've looked at these and below, as an example, is a quote from the

> > > > article at the top of your previous search list about global

> > > warming on Pluto:

> > > >

> > > > Jay Pasachoff, an astronomy professor at College, said that

> > > > Pluto's global warming was " likely not connected with that of the

> > > > Earth. The major way they could be connected is if the warming was

> > > > caused by a large increase in sunlight. But the solar constant--the

> > > > amount of sunlight received each second--is carefully monitored by

> > > > spacecraft, and we know the sun's output is much too steady to be

> > > > changing the temperature of Pluto. "

> > > >

> > > > Did you actually read the articles or are you basing your opinion on

> > > > Google search titles?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > At 08:18 AM 7/16/2006, you wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >> Check it out!

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > >

> >

>

<<<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+\

mars & btnG=Search>http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=glob\

al+warming+on+mars & btnG=Search

>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+ma\

rs & btnG=Search>><http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=glob\

al+warming+on+mars & btnG=Search>http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_\

qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+mars & btnG=Search

>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+ma\

rs & btnG=Search>><http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=glob\

al+warming+on+mars & btnG=Search>http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_\

qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+mars & btnG=Search

>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+ma\

rs & btnG=Search>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > >

> >

>

<<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+jupiter & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=\

Google+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & \

as_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>http://www.goo\

gle.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+jupiter & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as\

_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=\

any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+jupiter & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>><http://www.go\

ogle.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+jupiter & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & a\

s_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt\

=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>http://www.google.com/search?\

as_q=global+warming+on+jupiter & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as\

_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_\

sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+jupiter & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > >

> >

>

<<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>http://www.goog\

le.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as_e\

pq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=an\

y & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>><<http://www.go\

ogle.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as\

_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=\

any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>http://www.google.com/search?a\

s_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_e\

q= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_si\

tesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>><http://www.goo\

gle.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as_\

epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=a\

ny & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>http://www.google.com/search?as\

_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq\

= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sit\

esearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > >

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+triton & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>http://www.googl\

e.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+triton & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as_ep\

q= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=any\

& as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+triton & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > >

> >

>

<<<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=\

Google+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & \

as_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>http://www.goo\

gle.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as_\

epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=a\

ny & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>><http://www.goo\

gle.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as_\

epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=a\

ny & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>http://www.google.com/search?as\

_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq\

= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sit\

esearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>><http://www.goo\

gle.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as_\

epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=a\

ny & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>http://www.google.com/search?as\

_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq\

= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sit\

esearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > >

> >

>

<<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+neptune & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=\

Google+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & \

as_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>http://www.goo\

gle.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+neptune & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as\

_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=\

any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+neptune & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>><http://www.go\

ogle.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+neptune & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & a\

s_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt\

=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>http://www.google.com/search?\

as_q=global+warming+on+neptune & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as\

_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_\

sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+neptune & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

> > > >>

> > > >> a1thighmaster wrote:

> > > >>

> > > >>> Dave,

> > > >>>

> > > >>> What exactly is it that makes you think that all the planets in the

> > > >>> solar system are warming?

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Best regards,

> > > >>> Celeste

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Dave Narby wrote:

> > > >>>

> > > >>>> So how do you explain the fact that all the planets in the

> > solar system

> > > >>>> are warming...?

> > > >>>>

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Right, modeling is imprecise.

At 04:54 PM 7/19/2006, you wrote:

>Not to mention

>

>http://www.livescience.com/environment/051208_cloud_definition.html

>The Definition of 'Cloud' Gets Cloudy

>

>and

>

>Scientists Clueless over Sun's Effect on Earth

>http://www.livescience.com/environment/050505_earth_bright.html

>

>Seems to me there's a whole toolbox of spanners being chucked in the

>gearbox, it's just that the global warming machine has a tremendous

>amount of momentum...

>

>

>

>nospam.rwp@... wrote:

> > ,

> >

> > This research could throw a spanner in some global climate models.

> >

> > http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/07/060719085650.htm

> >

> > Tiny Airborne Particles Found To Be A Major Cause Of Climate Change

> >

> > Quote of first two paragraphs :

> >

> > " A scientist at the Weizmann Institute of Science and his colleagues

> > caused a storm in the atmospheric community when they suggested a few

> > years back that tiny airborne particles, known as aerosols, may be one

> > of the main culprits causing climate change ­ having, on a local scale,

> > an even greater impact than the greenhouse gases effect. Attempts to

> > understand how these particles influence clouds have generated many

> > uncertainties.

> >

> > A new paper by Dr. Ilan Koren of the Weizmann Institute Environmental

> > Studies and Energy Research Department and Dr. Yoram Kauffman of the

> > NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center, USA,* published in Science Express

> > online, weaves together two opposing effects of atmospheric aerosols to

> > provide a comprehensive picture of how they may be affecting our climate.

> > "

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Brown wrote:

> >

> >> Hi :

> >>

> >> I carefully thought about your concern, which is quite valid,

> >> regarding whether our measurements that Solar output are relatively

> >> constant could be flawed - could miss something that could be heating

> >> Earth and the other planets in the Solar System. Being an electronic

> >> engineer and having been a biomedical instrumentation researcher for

> >> the space program, I am very much aware of the precision and

> >> limitations of scientific instruments.

> >>

> >> In addition, there should always be in science, an opening to be

> >> skeptical and to question any scientific study or conclusion. This

> >> skepticism and criticism must be done using science and reason and

> >> without a priori agendas. That is why medical review insists on

> >> double blind studies - Neither the doctor nor the patient nor the

> >> researcher knows which patients get the drug or substance under test

> >> and which get placebos and it must sufficient numbers to have

> >> statistical significance. Even with these stringent rules, some

> >> nefarious researchers with hidden agendas have managed to manipulate

> >> data in their favors.

> >>

> >> Back to the point of your question, I believe the solar output

> >> satellites measure both visible and infrared output from the

> >> Sun. They are very precise and reliable and cover a broad

> >> spectrum. It is conceivable, but seems highly unlikely, that

> >> electromagnetic radiation outside of this measured spectrum could

> >> ever be output at sufficient levels to cause significant heating in

> >> the planets. Even if there were such radiation heating all the

> >> planets, it is still true that increased greenhouse gas on the Earth

> >> would further enhance this heating effect on Earth. It should be

> >> noted that there are many satellites and Earth-based instruments

> >> measuring most of the electromagnetic spectrum output by the Sun and

> >> all correlate to measuring that the Sun's output is relatively

> >> constant, and not increasing beyond what has been previously

> >> measured. It does vary, has cycles, etc but it is well within the

> >> known limits by all current measurements.

> >>

> >> All the truly scientific studies I have seen regarding global warming

> >> on other planets have specifically stated why they don't relate to

> >> each other or to Earth's global warming.trend for different

> >> reasons. If you look at most of the links that Dave sent out, Google

> >> searches that were flooded with highly politicized blogging sites

> >> that denigrate anyone who is against their belief systems. I loved

> >> the one showing Al Gore with his eyes bugging out and spewing

> >> something, I guess global warming, out of his mouth - very

> >> cute. That really is convincing. They promote that anyone who

> >> agrees with the evidence that Earth's global warming is primarily

> >> caused by vastly increased greenhouse gas (an unmistakable fact is

> >> that we have over double the greenhouse gas levels of anytime in the

> >> past 600,000 years and likely 43,000,000 years) is a wild liberal

> >> fanatic that sleeps with spotted owls, hugs trees, shoots

> >> hard-working lumberjacks and is against the American Way.

> >>

> >> They promote, without much in the way of solid, peer reviewed

> >> scientific study, that global warming is a natural cycle of the sun

> >> and/or that the evidence for greenhouse-gas based global warming of

> >> the Earth has been manufactured for political reasons. One

> >> science-oriented blog author at least tried to " prove " that the

> >> previously established estimates of how much greenhouse gases warm

> >> the Earth are off by orders of magnitude, but this again was not a

> >> peer-reviewed or well documented scientific study, if they can prove

> >> that with reproducible studies, I'd listen. But there have already

> >> been (before global warming was a political issue) peer reviewed.

> >> reproducible studies on the effect of greenhouse gases. Could they

> >> have been in error? Perhaps, show me the proof.

> >>

> >> In fact, I have agreed in previous posts, that some of the reasonable

> >> criticism of the global warming science - the part that is based

> >> mainly on computer models of climate - is not good science

> >> either. It is interesting and useful and we should do it, but to

> >> pass off a computer model's prediction as science is just as bad as

> >> the bad " science " on the other side. These proponents believe truly

> >> that a single uncertain temperature reading on Pluto coupled with a

> >> storm on Jupiter or any number of other isolated single and uncertain

> >> spot readings across the solar system indicating possible warming -

> >> in the face of extremely certain,accurate and constant solar output

> >> readings - indicate that the solar output really is increasing. Both

> >> of these positions are political and neither are science. Science is

> >> about careful studies that correlate with other evidence and are

> >> reproducible..

> >>

> >> Nevertheless, there is ample evidence that greenhouse gas

> >> significantly warms the atmosphere of planets and of course enhances

> >> any solar warming effect that may be present. This has been well

> >> accepted scientific knowledge way before the concept of global

> >> warming ever surfaced, it isn't a new theory at all. Also, most, if

> >> not all of the warming events on other planets appear to be short

> >> term variations.

> >>

> >> In fact the latest readings from Pluto now show cooling, not

> >> warming. This, from one of the Google-generated links that Dave sent

> >> out. One wonders if he read beyond the titles in the Google search

> >> page. Read all the links, I've read several from each of Dave's

> >> Google searches, including the specific ones that I put out and

> >> you'll most likely understand why none of these blogs that allegedly

> >> link Earth's warming to the warming observed elsewhere in the Solar

> >> System are convincing. They're not science for the most part and the

> >> real science shows that the temperature rises outside the Earth are

> >> not of a similar causality as that of Earth. Give me a reasonable,

> >> logical and scientific study based argument with reference to

> >> reproducible, peer reviewed studies and not exclamatory remarks and

> >> references to politicized adversary-denigrating blogs citing spot

> >> readings from here and there along with 100,000 random

> Google-generated links.

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> At 04:01 PM 7/16/2006, you wrote:

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>> ,

> >>>

> >>> Could it be that there is more energy being transfer from the sun to the

> >>> planets, which the satellite is not sensitive to, but which causes a

> >>> heating effect on all the planets e.g. greater infra red, an increase in

> >>> the solar wind, greater gravitational tides etc. Even if this energy

> >>> does not directly cause heating, it may cause secondary heating effects

> >>> e.g. from friction.

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Note: This forum is for discussion of health related subjects but

> under no circumstances should any information published here be

> considered a substitute for personal medical advice from a

> qualified physician. -the owner

> >

[Guest guest]

It is clearly NOT my " opinion " that the residual (permanent) Southern

ice cap on Mars is disappearing.

http://www.astronomy.com/asy/default.aspx?c=a & id=3503

With all due respect (and you do seem much more respectful than most

other global warming advocates), you seem to be having a great deal of

trouble integrating this information into your fact set.

I can point to other specific examples of warming on other planets (and

general problems with GW theory)... But let's work on this one 'white

crow' first: Because it only takes one white crow to prove not all

crows are black.

Dave Narby

Brown wrote:

>

> Hi Dave:

>

> That is your opinion. Opinions and spot data points don't count in

> science. Reproducible results do. Interesting data points should be

> investigated to see where they lead. In terms of the whole solar

> system warming, there doesn't really appear to be any clear evidence

> of that at this point. There are a few data points and some of them

> clearly contradict this concept.

>

> As I previously said, the dependence on computer models is not

> science either. It gives interesting predictions, but it is not

> scientific evidence. That avenue of research should be clearly

> branded for what it is. It is not as good as the weather report and

> may be as good as your newspaper's astrology column is for predicting

> what will happen. The possibilities that it predicts should be

> investigated, but models only do that, they help us to focus on what

> should be more carefully investigated and what may - given the limits

> of the model - happen.

>

> To the extent that global warming is predicted by these complex

> models, I agree with you, but there is also pretty convincing,

> reproducible and solid scientific evidence that human activity is

> behind much of global warming. And that is more than opinion. The

> exact amount is not yet possible to predict. Whether it is mostly

> from CO2 or other effects (like micro aerosols) is also hard to

> quantize at this point.

>

> People exaggerate on both ends of the spectrum because they feel

> strongly about their perspectives, but those are opinions and not

> science. Your opinion is well noted and even though I don't entirely

> agree with it, I appreciate it. Thanks for sharing you opinion with me.

>

>

>

> At 04:00 PM 7/19/2006, you wrote:

>

> >I just bothered to actually Google the terms. Granted, Pluto isn't the

> >best example due to it's eccentric orbit, but what's happening on the

> >other planets and large moons should prove illuminating..

> >

> >However, If you want to ignore the evidence to the contrary... Go right

> >ahead.

> >

> >But mark my words: The hysteria about global warming will prove

> >extremely damaging to the environmental movement once it is revealed to

> >be the debacle it is. And this is *not* a good thing.

> >

> > Brown wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi:

> > >

> > > I've looked at these and below, as an example, is a quote from the

> > > article at the top of your previous search list about global warming

> > > on Pluto:

> > >

> > > Jay Pasachoff, an astronomy professor at College, said that

> > > Pluto's global warming was " likely not connected with that of the

> > > Earth. The major way they could be connected is if the warming was

> > > caused by a large increase in sunlight. But the solar constant--the

> > > amount of sunlight received each second--is carefully monitored by

> > > spacecraft, and we know the sun's output is much too steady to be

> > > changing the temperature of Pluto. "

> > >

> > > Did you actually read the articles or are you basing your opinion on

> > > Google search titles?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > At 08:18 AM 7/16/2006, you wrote:

> > >

> > > >Check it out!

> > > >

> > > ><<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=glob

> <http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=glob>

> >

>

al+warming+on+mars & btnG=Search>http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_\

qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+mars & btnG=Search

>

<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+ma\

rs & btnG=Search>

>

> >

> > >

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+ma\

rs & btnG=Search

>

<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+ma\

rs & btnG=Search>>><http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=glo\

bal+warming+on+mars & btnG=Search

>

<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+ma\

rs & btnG=Search>>http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=globa\

l+warming+on+mars & btnG=Search

>

<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+ma\

rs & btnG=Search>

>

> >

> > >

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+ma\

rs & btnG=Search

>

<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+ma\

rs & btnG=Search>>

> > > >

> > > ><http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+jupiter & num=

> <http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+jupiter & num=>

> >

>

30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qd\

r=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>\

http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+jupiter & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+jupiter & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

>

> >

> > >

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+jupiter & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+jupiter & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>

> > > >

> > > ><<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=

> <http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=>

> >

>

30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qd\

r=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>\

http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Goo\

gle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_\

nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

>

> >

> > >

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>><http://www.go\

ogle.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as\

_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=\

any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>http://www.goog\

le.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as_e\

pq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=an\

y & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

>

> >

> > >

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>

> > > >

> > > ><http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+triton & num=3

> <http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+triton & num=3>

> >

>

0 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr\

=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>h\

ttp://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+triton & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Goog\

le+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_n\

hi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+triton & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

>

> >

> > >

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+triton & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+triton & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>

> > > >

> > > ><<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=

> <http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=>

> >

>

30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qd\

r=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>\

http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Goo\

gle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_\

nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

>

> >

> > >

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>><http://www.go\

ogle.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as\

_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=\

any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>http://www.goog\

le.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as_e\

pq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=an\

y & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

>

> >

> > >

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>

> > > >

> > > ><http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+neptune & num=

> <http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+neptune & num=>

> >

>

30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qd\

r=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>\

http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+neptune & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+neptune & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

>

> >

> > >

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+neptune & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+neptune & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>

> > > >

> > > >a1thighmaster wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dave,

> > > > >

> > > > > What exactly is it that makes you think that all the planets

> in the

> > > > > solar system are warming?

> > > > >

> > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > Celeste

> > > > >

> > > > > Dave Narby wrote:

> > > > > > So how do you explain the fact that all the planets in the solar

> > > system

> > > > > > are warming...?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >--

> > > >This is your brain on politics:

> > > >

> > > ><<http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060131092225.htm

> <http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060131092225.htm>>h

> > ttp://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060131092225.htm

> <ttp://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060131092225.htm>

> > >

> > <http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060131092225.htm

>

<http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060131092225.htm>>><http://www.sci\

encedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060131092225.htm

>

<http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060131092225.htm>>http://www.scien\

cedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060131092225.htm

> <http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060131092225.htm>

> >

> > > <http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060131092225.htm

> <http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060131092225.htm>>

> > > >

> > > >Yep! You've been an annoying zombie all these years.

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Jim,

I agree with you wholeheartedly. Fact of the matter is, I do think

global warming is happening, but only that it's not happening on a rapid

enough scale to cause a catastrophe, nor is it a result of human

activity. The Earth naturally goes through cycles of heating and cooling.

I do agree we need to get off the oil teat. My next car is going to be

electric - even if I have to build it myself. Who knows, maybe I'll

build TWO and sell the second one.

Dave Narby

Jim wrote:

>

> Dave:

>

> I would agree with you if it were cut and dried, but it will never be

> " revealed "

> even if global warming proponents are wrong. We will not know for sure

> even as the oceans currents die and the ice caps thaw.

>

> In the spirit of your comment, I think that global warming is a red

> herring.

> Even if it were proven 100% to be true, we could (would) not make the

> reverses necessary to change the outcome. The western world is just

> too committed to business as usual. Even our proposed fixes are just nods

> to other industries. The alcohol program is aimed at Cargill instead of

> Exxon

> Mobil. Both major parties love big business, just in different

> proportions.

>

> Jim

>

> Dave Narby wrote:

>

> > I just bothered to actually Google the terms. Granted, Pluto isn't the

> > best example due to it's eccentric orbit, but what's happening on the

> > other planets and large moons should prove illuminating..

> >

> > However, If you want to ignore the evidence to the contrary... Go right

> > ahead.

> >

> > But mark my words: The hysteria about global warming will prove

> > extremely damaging to the environmental movement once it is revealed to

> > be the debacle it is. And this is *not* a good thing.

> >

> > Brown wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi:

> > >

> > > I've looked at these and below, as an example, is a quote from the

> > > article at the top of your previous search list about global warming

> > > on Pluto:

> > >

> > > Jay Pasachoff, an astronomy professor at College, said that

> > > Pluto's global warming was " likely not connected with that of the

> > > Earth. The major way they could be connected is if the warming was

> > > caused by a large increase in sunlight. But the solar constant--the

> > > amount of sunlight received each second--is carefully monitored by

> > > spacecraft, and we know the sun's output is much too steady to be

> > > changing the temperature of Pluto. "

> > >

> > > Did you actually read the articles or are you basing your opinion on

> > > Google search titles?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > At 08:18 AM 7/16/2006, you wrote:

> > >

> > > >Check it out!

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

><http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+m\

ars & btnG=Search

>

<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+ma\

rs & btnG=Search>

>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+ma\

rs & btnG=Search

>

<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+ma\

rs & btnG=Search>>

>

> >

> > >

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+ma\

rs & btnG=Search

>

<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+ma\

rs & btnG=Search>

>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+ma\

rs & btnG=Search

>

<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+ma\

rs & btnG=Search>>>>http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=glo\

bal+warming+on+mars & btnG=Search

>

<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+ma\

rs & btnG=Search>

>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+ma\

rs & btnG=Search

>

<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+ma\

rs & btnG=Search>>

>

> >

> > >

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+ma\

rs & btnG=Search

>

<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+ma\

rs & btnG=Search>

>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+ma\

rs & btnG=Search

>

<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+ma\

rs & btnG=Search>>>

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

>http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+jupiter & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+jupiter & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+jupiter & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+jupiter & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>

>

> >

> > >

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+jupiter & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+jupiter & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+jupiter & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+jupiter & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>>

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

><http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>

>

> >

> > >

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>>>http://www.go\

ogle.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as\

_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=\

any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>

>

> >

> > >

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>>

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

>http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+triton & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+triton & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+triton & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+triton & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>

>

> >

> > >

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+triton & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+triton & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+triton & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+triton & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>>

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

><http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>

>

> >

> > >

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>>>http://www.go\

ogle.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as\

_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=\

any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>

>

> >

> > >

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>>

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

>http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+neptune & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+neptune & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+neptune & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+neptune & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>

>

> >

> > >

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+neptune & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+neptune & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

>

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+neptune & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+neptune & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>>

> > > >

> > > >a1thighmaster wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dave,

> > > > >

> > > > > What exactly is it that makes you think that all the planets

> in the

> > > > > solar system are warming?

> > > > >

> > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > Celeste

> > > > >

> > > > > Dave Narby wrote:

> > > > > > So how do you explain the fact that all the planets in the solar

> > > system

> > > > > > are warming...?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >--

> > > >This is your brain on politics:

> > > >

> > > ><http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060131092225.htm

> <http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060131092225.htm>

> > <http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060131092225.htm

> <http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060131092225.htm>>

> > > <http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060131092225.htm

> <http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060131092225.htm>

> > <http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060131092225.htm

>

<http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060131092225.htm>>>>http://www.sci\

encedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060131092225.htm

> <http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060131092225.htm>

> > <http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060131092225.htm

> <http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060131092225.htm>>

> > > <http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060131092225.htm

> <http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060131092225.htm>

> > <http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060131092225.htm

> <http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060131092225.htm>>>

> > > >

> > > >Yep! You've been an annoying zombie all these years.

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Oh for crying out loud... Let's just deal with ONE example of extra

terrestrial global warming for now - the 'formerly persistent' Southern

ice cap on Mars!

Brown wrote:

>

> Satire? Is that personal? Where is your volume of evidence,

> certainly not in this link.

>

>

>

> At 04:43 PM 7/19/2006, you wrote:

>

> >Uh-huh.

> >

> ><http://www.astronomy.com/asy/default.aspx?c=a & id=3503

>

<http://www.astronomy.com/asy/default.aspx?c=a & id=3503>>http://www.astronomy.com\

/asy/default.aspx?c=a & id=3503

> <http://www.astronomy.com/asy/default.aspx?c=a & id=3503>

> >

> >Similar to how you are not impressed by satire; a volume of words does

> >not impress me.

> >

> > Brown wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi :

> > >

> > > I carefully thought about your concern, which is quite valid,

> > > regarding whether our measurements that Solar output are relatively

> > > constant could be flawed - could miss something that could be heating

> > > Earth and the other planets in the Solar System. Being an electronic

> > > engineer and having been a biomedical instrumentation researcher for

> > > the space program, I am very much aware of the precision and

> > > limitations of scientific instruments.

> > >

> > > In addition, there should always be in science, an opening to be

> > > skeptical and to question any scientific study or conclusion. This

> > > skepticism and criticism must be done using science and reason and

> > > without a priori agendas. That is why medical review insists on

> > > double blind studies - Neither the doctor nor the patient nor the

> > > researcher knows which patients get the drug or substance under test

> > > and which get placebos and it must sufficient numbers to have

> > > statistical significance. Even with these stringent rules, some

> > > nefarious researchers with hidden agendas have managed to manipulate

> > > data in their favors.

> > >

> > > Back to the point of your question, I believe the solar output

> > > satellites measure both visible and infrared output from the

> > > Sun. They are very precise and reliable and cover a broad

> > > spectrum. It is conceivable, but seems highly unlikely, that

> > > electromagnetic radiation outside of this measured spectrum could

> > > ever be output at sufficient levels to cause significant heating in

> > > the planets. Even if there were such radiation heating all the

> > > planets, it is still true that increased greenhouse gas on the Earth

> > > would further enhance this heating effect on Earth. It should be

> > > noted that there are many satellites and Earth-based instruments

> > > measuring most of the electromagnetic spectrum output by the Sun and

> > > all correlate to measuring that the Sun's output is relatively

> > > constant, and not increasing beyond what has been previously

> > > measured. It does vary, has cycles, etc but it is well within the

> > > known limits by all current measurements.

> > >

> > > All the truly scientific studies I have seen regarding global warming

> > > on other planets have specifically stated why they don't relate to

> > > each other or to Earth's global warming.trend for different

> > > reasons. If you look at most of the links that Dave sent out, Google

> > > searches that were flooded with highly politicized blogging sites

> > > that denigrate anyone who is against their belief systems. I loved

> > > the one showing Al Gore with his eyes bugging out and spewing

> > > something, I guess global warming, out of his mouth - very

> > > cute. That really is convincing. They promote that anyone who

> > > agrees with the evidence that Earth's global warming is primarily

> > > caused by vastly increased greenhouse gas (an unmistakable fact is

> > > that we have over double the greenhouse gas levels of anytime in the

> > > past 600,000 years and likely 43,000,000 years) is a wild liberal

> > > fanatic that sleeps with spotted owls, hugs trees, shoots

> > > hard-working lumberjacks and is against the American Way.

> > >

> > > They promote, without much in the way of solid, peer reviewed

> > > scientific study, that global warming is a natural cycle of the sun

> > > and/or that the evidence for greenhouse-gas based global warming of

> > > the Earth has been manufactured for political reasons. One

> > > science-oriented blog author at least tried to " prove " that the

> > > previously established estimates of how much greenhouse gases warm

> > > the Earth are off by orders of magnitude, but this again was not a

> > > peer-reviewed or well documented scientific study, if they can prove

> > > that with reproducible studies, I'd listen. But there have already

> > > been (before global warming was a political issue) peer reviewed.

> > > reproducible studies on the effect of greenhouse gases. Could they

> > > have been in error? Perhaps, show me the proof.

> > >

> > > In fact, I have agreed in previous posts, that some of the reasonable

> > > criticism of the global warming science - the part that is based

> > > mainly on computer models of climate - is not good science

> > > either. It is interesting and useful and we should do it, but to

> > > pass off a computer model's prediction as science is just as bad as

> > > the bad " science " on the other side. These proponents believe truly

> > > that a single uncertain temperature reading on Pluto coupled with a

> > > storm on Jupiter or any number of other isolated single and uncertain

> > > spot readings across the solar system indicating possible warming -

> > > in the face of extremely certain,accurate and constant solar output

> > > readings - indicate that the solar output really is increasing. Both

> > > of these positions are political and neither are science. Science is

> > > about careful studies that correlate with other evidence and are

> > > reproducible..

> > >

> > > Nevertheless, there is ample evidence that greenhouse gas

> > > significantly warms the atmosphere of planets and of course enhances

> > > any solar warming effect that may be present. This has been well

> > > accepted scientific knowledge way before the concept of global

> > > warming ever surfaced, it isn't a new theory at all. Also, most, if

> > > not all of the warming events on other planets appear to be short

> > > term variations.

> > >

> > > In fact the latest readings from Pluto now show cooling, not

> > > warming. This, from one of the Google-generated links that Dave sent

> > > out. One wonders if he read beyond the titles in the Google search

> > > page. Read all the links, I've read several from each of Dave's

> > > Google searches, including the specific ones that I put out and

> > > you'll most likely understand why none of these blogs that allegedly

> > > link Earth's warming to the warming observed elsewhere in the Solar

> > > System are convincing. They're not science for the most part and the

> > > real science shows that the temperature rises outside the Earth are

> > > not of a similar causality as that of Earth. Give me a reasonable,

> > > logical and scientific study based argument with reference to

> > > reproducible, peer reviewed studies and not exclamatory remarks and

> > > references to politicized adversary-denigrating blogs citing spot

> > > readings from here and there along with 100,000 random

> > > Google-generated links.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > At 04:01 PM 7/16/2006, you wrote:

> > >

> > > >,

> > > >

> > > >Could it be that there is more energy being transfer from the sun

> to the

> > > >planets, which the satellite is not sensitive to, but which causes a

> > > >heating effect on all the planets e.g. greater infra red, an

> increase in

> > > >the solar wind, greater gravitational tides etc. Even if this energy

> > > >does not directly cause heating, it may cause secondary heating

> effects

> > > >e.g. from friction.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Brown wrote:

> > > > > Hi:

> > > > >

> > > > > I've looked at these and below, as an example, is a quote from the

> > > > > article at the top of your previous search list about global

> > > > warming on Pluto:

> > > > >

> > > > > Jay Pasachoff, an astronomy professor at College,

> said that

> > > > > Pluto's global warming was " likely not connected with that of the

> > > > > Earth. The major way they could be connected is if the warming was

> > > > > caused by a large increase in sunlight. But the solar

> constant--the

> > > > > amount of sunlight received each second--is carefully monitored by

> > > > > spacecraft, and we know the sun's output is much too steady to be

> > > > > changing the temperature of Pluto. "

> > > > >

> > > > > Did you actually read the articles or are you basing your

> opinion on

> > > > > Google search titles?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > At 08:18 AM 7/16/2006, you wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >> Check it out!

> > > > >>

> > > > >>

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

<<<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+\

mars & btnG=Search

>

<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+ma\

rs & btnG=Search>>http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=globa\

l+warming+on+mars & btnG=Search

>

<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+ma\

rs & btnG=Search>

>

> >

> > >

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+ma\

rs & btnG=Search

>

<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+ma\

rs & btnG=Search>>><http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=glo\

bal+warming+on+mars & btnG=Search

>

<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+ma\

rs & btnG=Search>>http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=globa\

l+warming+on+mars & btnG=Search

>

<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+ma\

rs & btnG=Search>

>

> >

> > >

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+ma\

rs & btnG=Search

>

<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+ma\

rs & btnG=Search>>><http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=glo\

bal+warming+on+mars & btnG=Search

>

<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+ma\

rs & btnG=Search>>http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=globa\

l+warming+on+mars & btnG=Search

>

<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+ma\

rs & btnG=Search>

>

> >

> > >

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+ma\

rs & btnG=Search

>

<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+ma\

rs & btnG=Search>>

> > > > >>

> > > > >>

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

<<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+jupiter & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=\

Google+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & \

as_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+jupiter & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>http://www.goo\

gle.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+jupiter & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as\

_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=\

any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+jupiter & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

>

> >

> > >

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+jupiter & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+jupiter & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>><http://www.g\

oogle.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+jupiter & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & \

as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occ\

t=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+jupiter & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>http://www.goo\

gle.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+jupiter & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as\

_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=\

any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+jupiter & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

>

> >

> > >

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+jupiter & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+jupiter & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>

> > > > >>

> > > > >>

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

<<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>http://www.goog\

le.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as_e\

pq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=an\

y & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

>

> >

> > >

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>><<http://www.g\

oogle.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & a\

s_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt\

=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>http://www.goog\

le.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as_e\

pq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=an\

y & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

>

> >

> > >

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>><http://www.go\

ogle.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as\

_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=\

any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>http://www.goog\

le.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as_e\

pq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=an\

y & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

>

> >

> > >

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>

> > > > >>

> > > > >>

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+triton & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+triton & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>http://www.goog\

le.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+triton & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as_e\

pq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=an\

y & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+triton & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

>

> >

> > >

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+triton & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+triton & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>

> > > > >>

> > > > >>

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

<<<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=\

Google+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & \

as_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>http://www.goog\

le.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as_e\

pq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=an\

y & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

>

> >

> > >

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>><http://www.go\

ogle.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as\

_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=\

any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>http://www.goog\

le.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as_e\

pq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=an\

y & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

>

> >

> > >

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>><http://www.go\

ogle.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as\

_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=\

any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>http://www.goog\

le.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as_e\

pq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=an\

y & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

>

> >

> > >

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>

> > > > >>

> > > > >>

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

<<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+neptune & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=\

Google+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & \

as_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+neptune & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>http://www.goo\

gle.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+neptune & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as\

_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=\

any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+neptune & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

>

> >

> > >

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+neptune & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+neptune & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>><http://www.g\

oogle.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+neptune & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & \

as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occ\

t=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+neptune & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>http://www.goo\

gle.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+neptune & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as\

_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=\

any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+neptune & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

>

> >

> > >

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+neptune & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+neptune & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>

> > > > >>

> > > > >> a1thighmaster wrote:

> > > > >>

> > > > >>> Dave,

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> What exactly is it that makes you think that all the planets

> in the

> > > > >>> solar system are warming?

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> Best regards,

> > > > >>> Celeste

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> Dave Narby wrote:

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>>> So how do you explain the fact that all the planets in the

> > > solar system

> > > > >>>> are warming...?

> > > > >>>>

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

It's not hard to find, :

http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/1997/11.06/BrighteningSuni.html

http://www.agu.org/revgeophys/reid00/reid00.html

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Library/SORCE/sorce_04.html

http://www.fathersforlife.org/REA/warming4.htm

http://www.google.com/search?as_q=solar+radiation+global+warming & num=30 & hl=en & bt\

nG=Google+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nl\

o= & as_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

Not to mention other possible extra-terrestrial factors:

http://www.envirotruth.org/docs/Veizer-Shaviv.pdf

http://www.crichton-official.com/speeches/speeches_quote04.html

Brown wrote:

>

> Hi:

>

> Neither of these posts shows that there is an increase in solar

> radiation. I've yet to see any evidence for that being a primary

> cause of global warming. If it is, lets see the evidence, I'm

> certainly open to it. I have no ego stake in its being one way or the

> other.

>

> I've already spoken about the global warming models that I agree are

> not science and perhaps they are part of this same " disease " that

> Feynman talks about. I think of some of the dogmatic points

> of view that I've seen appear to be science becoming like a religion,

> if you don't believe in the standard accepted theory or you counter

> it with new evidence, you may be branded a heretic. This is

> especially true in medical science. This is not science. Science

> should always be open to new evidence and should always be humble and

> welcome evidence and theories whether they agree or disagree with

> current understanding - with the caveat that they conform to the

> rules of science.

>

> I'm aware of both of these stories in your links and am an avid

> reader of Feynmam. In the 1960s, he predicted the limits of

> quantum computers and today, when several labs are finally working on

> quantum computers, his predictions hold true including the probable

> timing. He predicted that by about 2013 at the rate the technology

> is progressing in chip technology (beyond 's law), we will have

> a computer the size of a PDA today with 1,000 times the memory and

> computation power of the human brain that will consume 1 watt of

> electricity. Talk about battery life! The display backlights of

> phones and PDAs take more power than that.

>

>

>

> At 04:04 PM 7/19/2006, you wrote:

>

> >Thanks ,

> >

> >For pointing out that an increase in solar radiation is the most likely

> >culprit.

> >

> >If you want an explanation as to how this sort of debacle could happen

> >in the supposedly fact based and objective world of science, read this

> >

> ><http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/5181008.stm

>

<http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/5181008.stm>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/\

2/hi/uk_news/magazine/5181008.stm

> <http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/5181008.stm>

> >

> >and this

> >

> ><http://www.lesjones.com/posts/001657.shtml

>

<http://www.lesjones.com/posts/001657.shtml>>http://www.lesjones.com/posts/00165\

7.shtml

> <http://www.lesjones.com/posts/001657.shtml>

> >

> >Best regards,

> >

> >Dave Narby

> >

> ><mailto:nospam.rwp%40dsl.pipex.com>nospam.rwp@...

> <mailto:nospam.rwp%40dsl.pipex.com> wrote:

> > >

> > > ,

> > >

> > > Could it be that there is more energy being transfer from the sun

> to the

> > > planets, which the satellite is not sensitive to, but which causes a

> > > heating effect on all the planets e.g. greater infra red, an

> increase in

> > > the solar wind, greater gravitational tides etc. Even if this energy

> > > does not directly cause heating, it may cause secondary heating

> effects

> > > e.g. from friction.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Brown wrote:

> > > > Hi:

> > > >

> > > > I've looked at these and below, as an example, is a quote from the

> > > > article at the top of your previous search list about global warming

> > > on Pluto:

> > > >

> > > > Jay Pasachoff, an astronomy professor at College, said that

> > > > Pluto's global warming was " likely not connected with that of the

> > > > Earth. The major way they could be connected is if the warming was

> > > > caused by a large increase in sunlight. But the solar constant--the

> > > > amount of sunlight received each second--is carefully monitored by

> > > > spacecraft, and we know the sun's output is much too steady to be

> > > > changing the temperature of Pluto. "

> > > >

> > > > Did you actually read the articles or are you basing your opinion on

> > > > Google search titles?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > At 08:18 AM 7/16/2006, you wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >> Check it out!

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > >

> >

>

<<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+m\

ars & btnG=Search

>

<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+ma\

rs & btnG=Search>>http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=globa\

l+warming+on+mars & btnG=Search

>

<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+ma\

rs & btnG=Search>

>

> >

> > >

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+ma\

rs & btnG=Search

>

<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+ma\

rs & btnG=Search>>><http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=glo\

bal+warming+on+mars & btnG=Search

>

<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+ma\

rs & btnG=Search>>http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=globa\

l+warming+on+mars & btnG=Search

>

<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+ma\

rs & btnG=Search>

>

> >

> > >

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+ma\

rs & btnG=Search

>

<http://www.google.com/search?num=30 & hl=en & lr= & as_qdr=all & q=global+warming+on+ma\

rs & btnG=Search>>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > >

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+jupiter & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+jupiter & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>http://www.goo\

gle.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+jupiter & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as\

_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=\

any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+jupiter & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

>

> >

> > >

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+jupiter & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+jupiter & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > >

> >

>

<<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>http://www.goog\

le.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as_e\

pq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=an\

y & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

>

> >

> > >

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>><http://www.go\

ogle.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as\

_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=\

any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>http://www.goog\

le.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as_e\

pq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=an\

y & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

>

> >

> > >

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+saturn & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > >

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+triton & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+triton & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>http://www.goog\

le.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+triton & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as_e\

pq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=an\

y & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+triton & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

>

> >

> > >

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+triton & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+triton & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > >

> >

>

<<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>http://www.goog\

le.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as_e\

pq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=an\

y & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

>

> >

> > >

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>><http://www.go\

ogle.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as\

_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=\

any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>http://www.goog\

le.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as_e\

pq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=an\

y & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

>

> >

> > >

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+europa & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Go\

ogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as\

_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > >

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+neptune & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+neptune & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>http://www.goo\

gle.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+neptune & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=Google+Search & as\

_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & as_nhi= & as_occt=\

any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+neptune & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>

>

> >

> > >

> >

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+neptune & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images

>

<http://www.google.com/search?as_q=global+warming+on+neptune & num=30 & hl=en & btnG=G\

oogle+Search & as_epq= & as_oq= & as_eq= & lr= & as_ft=i & as_filetype= & as_qdr=all & as_nlo= & a\

s_nhi= & as_occt=any & as_dt=i & as_sitesearch= & as_rights= & safe=images>>

> > > >>

> > > >> a1thighmaster wrote:

> > > >>

> > > >>> Dave,

> > > >>>

> > > >>> What exactly is it that makes you think that all the planets

> in the

> > > >>> solar system are warming?

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Best regards,

> > > >>> Celeste

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Dave Narby wrote:

> > > >>>

> > > >>>> So how do you explain the fact that all the planets in the solar

> > > system

> > > >>>> are warming...?

> > > >>>>

> > >

> > >

> >

> >--

> >This is your brain on politics:

> >

> ><http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060131092225.htm

>

<http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060131092225.htm>>http://www.scien\

cedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060131092225.htm

> <http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060131092225.htm>

> >

> >Yep! You've been an annoying zombie all these years.

> >

> >