Re: Danger exists for QXCI/SCIO practitioners

April 27, 2007

I agree that whoever uses the SCIO device should know things about human anatomy, physiology and so on... besides the SCIO devise itself.

Could anyone suggest me some books which I could use to train myself in health related fields?

What are the fields I should consider?

I've found some books, but they are really complex

(http://www.amazon.com/Anatomy-Physiology-Unity-Form-Function/dp/0073228044 ).

If anyone could suggest me some good but easier books, please let me know.

Best regards,Vasile

> > > > > > > > A very real danger exists for the future of QXCI/SCIO > Therapists/practitioners because untrained people are buying > QXCI/SCIO machines, believing that they do not need any academic > knowledge of pathology or remedies because the QXCI/SCIO machine is > capable of infallible information. Unlike the Allopathic/orthodox > medical profession, any lay person has access to the QXCI/SCIO > machines. Short seminars by the brokers are regulary attended by > these lay people who then have ready access to such machines. This > situation reflects adversely on well-trained therapists and > practitioners who, due to their knowledge of anatomy, physiology and > pathology and methods of treatment, have a reference point for any > illness and remedy selection made by an instrument. In this setting, > dangers from the subjective factor are minimised and an approach such > as the QXCI/SCIO becomes a valuable addition to the other skills of > the therapist/practitioner.> > > > Dr Renier du Toit> >>

April 27, 2007

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Re: Danger exists for QXCI/SCIO practitioners

I agree that whoever uses the SCIO device should know things about human anatomy, physiology and so on... besides the SCIO devise itself.

Could anyone suggest me some books which I could use to train myself in health related fields?

What are the fields I should consider?

I've found some books, but they are really complex

(http://www.amazon.com/Anatomy-Physiology-Unity-Form-Function/dp/0073228044 ).

If anyone could suggest me some good but easier books, please let me know.

Best regards,Vasile

> > > > > > > > A very real danger exists for the future of QXCI/SCIO > Therapists/practitioners because untrained people are buying > QXCI/SCIO machines, believing that they do not need any academic > knowledge of pathology or remedies because the QXCI/SCIO machine is > capable of infallible information. Unlike the Allopathic/orthodox > medical profession, any lay person has access to the QXCI/SCIO > machines. Short seminars by the brokers are regulary attended by > these lay people who then have ready access to such machines. This > situation reflects adversely on well-trained therapists and > practitioners who, due to their knowledge of anatomy, physiology and > pathology and methods of treatment, have a reference point for any > illness and remedy selection made by an instrument. In this setting, > dangers from the subjective factor are minimised and an approach such > as the QXCI/SCIO becomes a valuable addition to the other skills of > the therapist/practitioner.> > > > Dr Renier du Toit> >>

April 27, 2007

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Re: Danger exists for QXCI/SCIO practitioners

I agree that whoever uses the SCIO device should know things about human anatomy, physiology and so on... besides the SCIO devise itself.

Could anyone suggest me some books which I could use to train myself in health related fields?

What are the fields I should consider?

I've found some books, but they are really complex

(http://www.amazon.com/Anatomy-Physiology-Unity-Form-Function/dp/0073228044 ).

If anyone could suggest me some good but easier books, please let me know.

Best regards,Vasile

> > > > > > > > A very real danger exists for the future of QXCI/SCIO > Therapists/practitioners because untrained people are buying > QXCI/SCIO machines, believing that they do not need any academic > knowledge of pathology or remedies because the QXCI/SCIO machine is > capable of infallible information. Unlike the Allopathic/orthodox > medical profession, any lay person has access to the QXCI/SCIO > machines. Short seminars by the brokers are regulary attended by > these lay people who then have ready access to such machines. This > situation reflects adversely on well-trained therapists and > practitioners who, due to their knowledge of anatomy, physiology and > pathology and methods of treatment, have a reference point for any > illness and remedy selection made by an instrument. In this setting, > dangers from the subjective factor are minimised and an approach such > as the QXCI/SCIO becomes a valuable addition to the other skills of > the therapist/practitioner.> > > > Dr Renier du Toit> >>

May 1, 2007

I don't believe that is the consensus of the opinions that only medical people should buy the device. This may be the entry for some people into a medical field. But most MD's are not interested, and even if they were, do not have the time to learn it and use it. I think what IS being said is that those who buy it need to learn, and most of us are avidly learning.An associate mentioned one time how MD's are given much by the pharmaceutical companies to come to their seminars which are often free for them. Often they pay for their transportation and meals. Most of us are paying for our equipment, our books, our seminars, our conferences and spending our time and money learning because we want to. That is the best way to learn. A pharmacist I know goes to the free seminars and works on other things and doesn't even pay attention. When you are truly wanting to learn there is a big difference. j6j638

<j6j638@...> wrote: I understand the opinions voiced, that only licensed medical people should buy the device, BUT there is another side. There are people like me,who have discovered this device and have an intense passion for it. In high school, I had two years of anatomy and physiology in the college prep course, and loved it. However, I couldn't stand blood and needles, so I went into teaching. Back in 1956 the options for me seemed to be teacher, nurse, secretary, waitress, or factory worker. My

guidance counselor,(not worthy of the name)just said I was smart, so go be a teacher. Ok. I did teach biology for some years and have had other experiences, too. Although I enjoyed everything I did, I felt I was missing something. Why was there no passion? What was wrong with me? I was interested in all the complementary fields--- massage, applied kinesiolagy, ayurvedic, the mind-body connection, but did not want to just pick one. I liked them all and kept reading and learning, but with no definite purpose. When I heard the executive director of my state's medical association say, in 1990, that old people have got to realize that they will die, and that money can't be spent on them as much, but channeled to the young. Well, I could have accepted that, if I had felt that the medical system was doing the best for people. I hadn't heard about the "functional 75%", those not well, but not

sick, but I knew that's where I was. By being neglected, as functional and not sick, eventually, the neglect would eventually manifest in some way. If this happened after age 56, should I be then told, sorry, too late? No way. I was angry and decided there needs to be a better way,so that the chronic and metabolic issues that rob us of our quality if life, in the functional realm, need to be addressed. I wanted to be part of the paradyme shift that would start addressing this. It was just not clear how I could be involved. It took 15 years for it to be clear. Last year I had found the EPFX- SCIO ! From that moment, I have felt a joy in my life that I will not let go. Thank goodness, purchasing this device not restricted to just medical people. Retirement money is never enough and I had to borrow, but I had to have this. I am sure I am not alone. There are many of us who will be

dedicated, study hard, thirsty for more knowledge, who will convey enthusiasm and passion for what this high tech device can do. PLEASE keep us in mind. It is easy to be elitist, and there is a basis for you feelings, but please be compassionate towards those of us who missed our calling, and have finally found it. I cannot imagine being alive without having the joy from this work. Very sincerely, Szigeti- my personal email is cj.szigetijohnsongmail > > > > A very real danger exists for the future of QXCI/SCIO Therapists/practitioners because untrained people are buying QXCI/SCIO machines, believing that they do not need any academic knowledge of pathology or remedies because the QXCI/SCIO machine is capable of infallible information. Unlike the Allopathic/orthodox medical profession, any lay person has access to the QXCI/SCIO machines. Short seminars by the brokers are regulary attended by these lay people who then have ready access to such machines. This situation reflects

adversely on well-trained therapists and practitioners who, due to their knowledge of anatomy, physiology and pathology and methods of treatment, have a reference point for any illness and remedy selection made by an instrument. In this setting, dangers from the subjective factor are minimised and an approach such as the QXCI/SCIO becomes a valuable addition to the other skills of the therapist/practitioner. > > Dr Renier du Toit >

May 2, 2007

Thanks, , I appreciate your response. I believe we all have value and something to offer. It would be a shame to limit access just because a few people are not up to par? each profession has a small number that are not a credit. again, thank you...I feel better. christine Raskin DC <lraskindc@...> wrote: Dear ,My email wasn't aimed at someone like yourself. And I didn't mean to imply that only licensed medical people should buy the

device.......for goodness sakes I'm not a medic!I just meant that people should have enough training at least on the device itself. Other people voiced their opinions that training in health related fields and subjects would be of value. I would agree with that. I'm not here to judge.I was just expressing my dismay at clients receiving long printouts from their reports and being given the impression that these were all 'diseases' that they had. And not even being hooked up to the device when they are sitting right next to the box.It feels like those selling the devices or who are responsible for their distribution aren't making sure that the people who buy them are properly trained.Noone should be given long printouts of their 'diseases'.I'm so sorry if I have caused you any distress. My email wasn't meant for you. I guess I am hoping my email reached people selling the devices.You

sound like a wonderful, extremely educated healer.Warmly,j6j638 <j6j638 > wrote: I understand the opinions voiced, that only licensed medical people should buy the device, BUT there is another side. There are people like me,who have discovered this device and have an intense passion for it. In high school, I had two years of anatomy and physiology in the college prep course, and loved it. However, I couldn't stand blood and needles, so I went into teaching. Back in 1956 the options for me seemed to be teacher, nurse, secretary, waitress, or factory worker. My guidance counselor,(not worthy of the name)just said I was smart, so go be a teacher. Ok. I did teach biology for some years and have had other experiences, too. Although I enjoyed

everything I did, I felt I was missing something. Why was there no passion? What was wrong with me? I was interested in all the complementary fields--- massage, applied kinesiolagy, ayurvedic, the mind-body connection, but did not want to just pick one. I liked them all and kept reading and learning, but with no definite purpose.When I heard the executive director of my state's medical association say, in 1990, that old people have got to realize that they will die, and that money can't be spent on them as much, but channeled to the young. Well, I could have accepted that, if I had felt that the medical system was doing the best for people. I hadn't heard about the "functional 75%", those not well, but not sick, but I knew that's where I was. By being neglected, as functional and not sick, eventually, the neglect would eventually manifest in some way. If this happened after age 56, should I be then told, sorry,

too late?No way. I was angry and decided there needs to be a better way,so that the chronic and metabolic issues that rob us of our quality if life, in the functional realm, need to be addressed. I wanted to be part of the paradyme shift that would start addressing this. It was just not clear how I could be involved.It took 15 years for it to be clear. Last year I had found the EPFX-SCIO ! From that moment, I have felt a joy in my life that I will not let go. Thank goodness, purchasing this device not restricted to just medical people. Retirement money is never enough and I had to borrow, but I had to have this. I am sure I am not alone. There are many of us who will be dedicated, study hard, thirsty for more knowledge, who will convey enthusiasm and passion for what this high tech device can do.PLEASE keep us in mind. It is easy to be elitist, and there is a basis for you feelings, but please be

compassionate towards those of us who missed our calling, and have finally found it. I cannot imagine being alive without having the joy from this work.Very sincerely, Szigeti- my personal email is cj.szigetijohnsongmail> > > > A very real danger exists for the

future of QXCI/SCIO Therapists/practitioners because untrained people are buying QXCI/SCIO machines, believing that they do not need any academic knowledge of pathology or remedies because the QXCI/SCIO machine is capable of infallible information. Unlike the Allopathic/orthodox medical profession, any lay person has access to the QXCI/SCIO machines. Short seminars by the brokers are regulary attended by these lay people who then have ready access to such machines. This situation reflects adversely on well-trained therapists and practitioners who, due to their knowledge of anatomy, physiology and pathology and methods of treatment, have a reference point for any illness and remedy selection made by an instrument. In this setting, dangers from the subjective factor are minimised and an approach such as the QXCI/SCIO becomes a valuable addition to the other skills of the therapist/practitioner.>

> Dr Renier du Toit>

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May 4, 2007

If this is such an issue then " IMO " the distributors

need to find a more productive form of training and

accomodate the buyers, therefore ensuring that

appropriate training is conducted before the new buyer

makes those mistakes. Maybe financing the cost of

travel to training?, Or making online or local

training more advantageous.

Maybe training before buyer receives actual device?

They receive the device at training? I know of many

companies that do not issue kit or product, device etc

until basic training is completed.

If distributors are selling to anyone who can afford

the device and not following up on appropriate

training, then shame on the distributor! And not just

the inexperienced buyer, as they paid for training.

I'm getting personal calls frequently from people that

aren't getting their training as promised or adequate

training.

Maybe even the forms of training need to be

re-evaluated? I hear it alot that people just cannot

afford to travel for the classes and/or don't have the

time. However; would willingly take online classes or

local classes.

Some have told me that the actual conference/classroom

style hands-on classes they travelled to left them

feeling less-than-confident to run the device, as the

classes weren't intense enough or went too fast and

they didn't comprehend what they were taught. So they

were looking for a different form of training. Not

everyone can learn in a conference type setting and

not everyone can learn from an online video either.

Some simply have to have the one-on-one training to

get it. Not all distributors are offering the

one-on-one training either.

However it works out, it is agreed that new

practitioners need to be trained first! After working

on the SCIO a little over a year, I'm still learning

things that aren't or weren't taught in any of the

training I've had so far, with the exception of my

one-on-one training.

I love the new online classes ,for CEU's, that are

small and more detailed and are not videos! I look

forward to more of them.

Kernan

--- <j6j638@...> wrote:

> Thanks, , I appreciate your response. I

> believe we all have value and something to offer.

> It would be a shame to limit access just because a

> few people are not up to par? each profession has a

> small number that are not a credit.

> again, thank you...I feel better. christine

>

> Raskin DC <lraskindc@...> wrote:

> Dear ,

>

> My email wasn't aimed at someone like yourself.

> And I didn't mean to imply that only licensed

> medical people should buy the device.......for

> goodness sakes I'm not a medic!

>

> I just meant that people should have enough training

> at least on the device itself. Other people voiced

> their opinions that training in health related

> fields and subjects would be of value. I would

> agree with that.

>

> I'm not here to judge.

>

> I was just expressing my dismay at clients receiving

> long printouts from their reports and being given

> the impression that these were all 'diseases' that

> they had. And not even being hooked up to the

> device when they are sitting right next to the box.

>

> It feels like those selling the devices or who are

> responsible for their distribution aren't making

> sure that the people who buy them are properly

> trained.

>

> Noone should be given long printouts of their

> 'diseases'.

>

> I'm so sorry if I have caused you any distress. My

> email wasn't meant for you. I guess I am hoping my

> email reached people selling the devices.

>

> You sound like a wonderful, extremely educated

> healer.

>

> Warmly,

>

> j6j638 <j6j638@...> wrote: I understand

> the opinions voiced, that only licensed medical

> people

> should buy the device, BUT there is another side.

>

> There are people like me,who have discovered this

> device and have an

> intense passion for it. In high school, I had two

> years of anatomy

> and physiology in the college prep course, and loved

> it. However, I

> couldn't stand blood and needles, so I went into

> teaching. Back in

> 1956 the options for me seemed to be teacher, nurse,

> secretary,

> waitress, or factory worker. My guidance

> counselor,(not worthy of

> the name)just said I was smart, so go be a teacher.

> Ok.

>

> I did teach biology for some years and have had

> other experiences,

> too. Although I enjoyed everything I did, I felt I

> was missing

> something. Why was there no passion? What was wrong

> with me? I

> was interested in all the complementary fields---

> massage, applied

> kinesiolagy, ayurvedic, the mind-body connection,

> but did not want to

> just pick one. I liked them all and kept reading and

> learning, but

> with no definite purpose.

>

> When I heard the executive director of my state's

> medical association

> say, in 1990, that old people have got to realize

> that they will die,

> and that money can't be spent on them as much, but

> channeled to the

> young. Well, I could have accepted that, if I had

> felt that the

> medical system was doing the best for people. I

> hadn't heard about

> the " functional 75% " , those not well, but not sick,

> but I knew that's

> where I was. By being neglected, as functional and

> not sick,

> eventually, the neglect would eventually manifest in

> some way. If

> this happened after age 56, should I be then told,

> sorry, too late?

>

> No way. I was angry and decided there needs to be a

> better way,so

> that the chronic and metabolic issues that rob us of

> our quality if

> life, in the functional realm, need to be addressed.

> I wanted to be

> part of the paradyme shift that would start

> addressing this. It was

> just not clear how I could be involved.

>

> It took 15 years for it to be clear. Last year I had

> found the EPFX-

> SCIO ! From that moment, I have felt a joy in my

> life that I will

> not let go. Thank goodness, purchasing this device

> not restricted to

> just medical people. Retirement money is never

> enough and I had to

> borrow, but I had to have this.

>

> I am sure I am not alone. There are many of us who

> will be

> dedicated, study hard, thirsty for more knowledge,

> who will convey

> enthusiasm and passion for what this high tech

> device can do.

>

> PLEASE keep us in mind. It is easy to be elitist,

> and there is a

> basis for you feelings, but please be compassionate

> towards those of

> us who missed our calling, and have finally found

> it. I cannot

> imagine being alive without having the joy from this

> work.

>

> Very sincerely,

>

> Szigeti-

> my personal email is cj.szigetijohnson@...

>

> >

> > A very real danger exists for the future of

> QXCI/SCIO

> Therapists/practitioners because untrained people

> are buying

> QXCI/SCIO machines, believing that they do not need

> any academic

> knowledge of pathology or remedies because the

> QXCI/SCIO machine is

> capable of infallible information. Unlike the

> Allopathic/orthodox

> medical profession, any lay person has access to the

> QXCI/SCIO

> machines. Short seminars by the brokers are regulary

> attended by

> these lay people who then have ready access to such

> machines. This

> situation reflects adversely on well-trained

> therapists and

> practitioners who, due to their knowledge of

> anatomy, physiology and

> pathology and methods of treatment, have a reference

> point for any

> illness and remedy selection made by an instrument.

> In this setting,

> dangers from the subjective factor are minimised and

> an approach such

> as the QXCI/SCIO becomes a valuable addition to the

> other skills of

> the therapist/practitioner.

> >

> > Dr Renier du Toit

> >

>

> ---------------------------------

> Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell?

> Check outnew cars at Autos.

May 7, 2007

Dr Renier du Toit

The outline of the Bio-energy/Biofeedback correspondence course that you posted

.. could you please supply the details of the Institute presenting this course,

as I would like to apply to do it.

Marler

(Pretoria South Africa)

________________________________

From: qxci-english on behalf of Dr Renier du Toit

Sent: Fri 27/04/2007 08:35

qxci-english

Subject: Re: Re: Danger exists for QXCI/SCIO practitioners

BIO-ENERGY/BIOFEEDBACK THERAPY CORRESPONDENCE COURSE

CURRICULUM OUTLINE:

Anatomy and Physiology

Introduction to Anatomy: The Skeletal System, The Muscular System, The Vascular

System, The Neurological System, The Digestive System, The Respiratory System,

The Genito-Urinary System, The Endocrine System, Accessory Organs, Histology.

Medicinal Herbs(Old curriculum)

An overview study of indigenous and non-indigenous herbs: Acacia senegal,

Erythronium americanum, Agave americana, Medicago sativa, Pimenta officinalis,

Prunus amygdalus, Aloe vera, Vaccinium vitis idaea, Althaea officinalis,

Amaranthus hypochondriacus, Sabatia angularis, Veratum viride, Parthenocissus

quinquefolia, archangelica, Pimpinella anisum, Arnica montana, Cynara

scolymus, Asparagus officinalis, officinalis, Berberis vulgaris, Ocimum

basilicum, Arctostaphylos uva-ursi, Allium ursinum, Galium aparine, Galium

verum, Atropa belladonna, Stachys officinalis, Betula alba, Rubus villosus,

Cimicifuga racemosa, Lamium album, Caulophyllum thalictroides, Iris versicolor,

Verbena hastasa, Eupatorium perfoliatum, Borage officinalis, Bryonia alba,

Barosma betulina, Rhamnus frangula, Arctium lappa. Calendula officinalis,

Anthemis nobilis, Cannabis sativa, Daucus carota, Nepeta cataria, Capsicum

frutescens, Chelidonium majus, Apium graveolens, Stellaria media, Cichorium

intybus, Lycopodium clavatum, Tussilago farfara, Symphytum officinale, Caltha

palustris, Taraxacum officinale, Ephedra spp., Anethum graveolens, Echinacea

angustifolia, Sambucus canadensis, Eucalyptus globulus, Verbena officinalis,

Oenethera biennis, Foeniculum vulgare, Trigonella foenum-graecum, Chrysanthemum

parthenium, Linum usitatissimum, Digitalis purpurea, Valeriana officinalis,

Viola odorata, Allium sativum, Zingiber officinale, Panax schin-seng, Solidago

odora and virgaurea, Hydrastis canadensis, Crataegus oxyacantha, Helleborus

niger, Galeopsis tetrahit, Lawsonia inermis, Humulus lupulus, Marubium vulgare,

Aesculus hippocastunum, Armoracia lapathifolia, Hyssopus officinalis, Zea mays,

Ipomoea jalapa, Jasminum officinale, Juniperus communis, Alchemilla vulgaris,

Lavandula officinalis, Allium porrum, Glycyrrhiza glabra, Convallaria majalis,

Lobelia inflata, Pulmonaria officinalis, Adiantum pedatum, Malva sylvestris,

Podophyllum peltatum, Origanum vulgare, Ledum palustre, Filipendula ulmaria,

Achillea millefolium, Mentha piperita, Viscum album, Artemisia vulgaris,

Verbascum thapsus, Brassica nigra, Commiphora myrrha, Tropaeolum majus, Urtica

dioica, Solanum dulcamara, Myristica fragrans, Quercus alba, Avena sativa, Olea

europaea, Allium cepa, Viola tricolor, Carica papaya, Petroselinum sativum,

Anemone patens, Passiflora incarnata, Hedeoma pulegioides, Vinca major and

minor, Cinchona sp., Erechtites hieracifolia, Plantago lanceolata, Asclepias

tuberosa, Populus tremuloides, Primula officinalis, Picraena excelsa, Raphanus

sativus, Rubus strigosus, Rheum palmatum, Rosemarinus officinalis, Ruta

graveolens, Carthamus tinctorius, Crocus sativus, Salvia officinalis, Hypericum

perforatum, Santalum album, Smilax officinalis, Sassafras albidum, Satureja

montana, Serenoa serrulata, Cassia acutifolia, Equisetum arvense, Capsela

bursa-pastoris, Scutellaria lateriflora, Rumex acetosa, officinalis,

Euphorbia spp., Acorus calamus, Tanacetum vulgare, Thuja occidentalis, Thymus

vulgaris, Potentilla tormentilla, Juglans regia, Nasturtium officinale, Baptisia

tinctoria, Mahonia aquifolium, Dioscorea villosa, Salix alba, Gaultheria

procumbens, Hamamelis virginiana, Oxalis acetosella, Artemisia absinthium, Rumex

crispus, Gelsemium sempervirens.

Introduction to Psychology

Definition of psychology, The subfields of psychology, The development of

Behaviour, The Principles of learning, Human learning and memory, Thinking and

Problemsolving, Language and Communication, Drives and Motivation, Arousal,

Emotion and Awareness, The Senses, Perception, Psychological testing,

Personality, Behaviour disorders and their treatment, Attitudes and prejudice.

Disorders and Cures(Old curriculum)

Ailments and diseases: Definition, Symptoms, Etiologic considerations,

Discussion, Treatment: Diet, Physiotherapy, Therapeutic Agents: Vitamins and

Minerals, Botanicals: Abscesses, Acne, AIDS, Adenoids, Alcoholism, Allergies,

Alopecia, Amenorrhea, Anemia, Appendicitis, Arteriosclerosis, Arthritis, Asthma,

Atherosclerosis, Bedwetting, Behavioural disorders, Body odour, Boils,

Bronchitis, Burns, Bursitis, Cataracts, Catarrh, Celiac disease, Childhood

diseases, Colds, Colitis, Constipation, Cystitis and urethritis, Dandruff,

Dermatitis, Diabetes, Diaper rash, Diarrhea, Digestive disturbances,

Diverticulitis, Earache, Edema, Emphysema, Epilepsy, Fatigue, Fever, Fibrocystic

breast disease, Flat feet, Flatulence, Gallbladder disease, Gout, Halitosis,

Headache and migraine, Heart disease, Heavy metal poisoning, Herpes genitalis,

Hital hernia, Hives, Hyperactivity, Hypertension, Hypoglycemia, Impotence,

Incontinence, Infertility, Imsomnia, Kidney disease, Kidney stones, Low back

pain, Mastitis, Ménières disease, Menopause, Menstrual disorders, Multiple

scleroses, Neuritis, Neuralgia, Obesity, Osteoporosis, Peptic ulcer, Phlebitis,

PMS, Prostate Gland trouble, Psoriasis, Salpingitis and salpingo-oophoritis,

Schizophrenia, Sinusitus, Smoking, Staphylococcal infection, Teeth and Gum

disease, Thoracic outlet syndrome, Thyroid disease and disorders, Tonsillitis,

Vaginitis, Varicose veins and ulcers, Warts, Worms, Yeast infection

(Candidiasis)

Fasting, Nutrition, Naturopathic Diet

Juice fasting, How it works, Benefits of Fasting, Juice versus water fasting,

Side effects, Contra-indications, Fasting programme, Breaking the Fast, Golden

rules, The essence of food-combining, Acid-alkaline balance, Macrobiotics,

wholefoods, Vegetarianism, Fats versus oils, Free Radicals, Metabolic

food-typing, Contrasting the Chinese and Japanese diets, The Naturopathic

Lifestyle.

Hydrotherapy

The principles and physiology of hydrotherapy. The body's reaction on hot and

cold stimuli, The general primary excitant effects, The local primary excitant

effects, The local secondary excitant effects, The benefits of hydrotherapy,

Hydropathic procedures: Alternate hot and cold sitz bath, Full immersion bath,

Full cold and hot bath, Hot full epsom salt bath, Neutral or tepid

full-immersion bath, Local bath, Sweating bath, Cold and hot compress, Full-body

wet sheet pack, Trunk pack, Chest pack, Throat pack, Inhalations, Enemas,

Douches, Morning dew walks, The four categories of heat treatments, The

contra-indications of heat treatment, Steam baths, Sauna baths, Wax baths, Foam

and aerated baths, Radiant heat baths, methods of applications of paraffin wax

treatments.

Massage

Swedish, Oil, Mechanical, The six basic movements, The two principle types of

mechanical massages, Combined treatments, Vacuum suction treatment, Electricity

in treatment, Fuses, Medical currents, Faradism, Faradic instruments, Galvanic

treatment, Iotophoretic treatment, Deincrustation, Contra-indications,

Advantages of Infra-red treatment.

African Traditional Healing

Brief history of plant medicine, Man's affinity to plants, The chemistry of

plants, Herbal remedies, African herbalism, Zulu Herbal preparations and

administration techniques, Natural antibiotics, Skin treatment and Zulu muti,

African plant medicine for Main Functional problems, The alcohol barrier,

Perceptive visual and clinical diagnosis, Provisional diagnosis and symptoms

guiding clinical diagnosis, A modern concept of naturopathy, First Aid herbal

remedies, Combined formulas and recipes, Phytotherapy, The healing properties of

plant extracts, The healing properties of oils, The skin and its functions, The

remedy for alopecia, Yin Yangology, Organs of sensation, Oligo therapy,

Acupuncture, Definitions.

Veterinary Natural Medicine

Introduction, Food and Diet, Stress, Shock, Trauma, Birth, Orphans, Old age,

Domestic Animals, Household Pets, Farm animals, Wild animals, Mammals, Birds,

Reptiles, Ailments and symptoms, Herbs, Methods of Preparation.

Energetic Medicine

Allergens, Emotions, Meridians, Amino acids, Fatty acids, Minerals, Animal

diseases, Flower Essences, Muscles, Aroma therapy oils, Foods, Organ sarcodes,

Bacteria, Fungi, Parasites, Blood Chemistry, Geopathics, Physic Energies, Bones,

Herbs, Prions, Candida, Homeopathics-Isodes, Spiritual Energies, Chakras,

Homeopathics-Nosodes, Toxins, Chromosomes, Homeopathics-Classical, Urine

chemistry, Dental diseases & products, Homeopathics-Combinations, Venoms,

Digestion, Hormones, Viruses, Diseases, Ligaments, Vitamins, Drugs, Miasmas,

Worms, EEG,ECG, Brain wave.

Energetic Therapies

· Autofocus Therapies - Acupuncture, Chakra, Chiropractic, Color, Rife,

Trivector (Bicom/Mora), Spiritual Healing, Biofeedback.

· Specialist - Acupuncture, Craniosacral, Iridology, Brain wave, Allergen

de-sensitization, Fat loss, TMJ, Eye, Hearing, Cholesterol, Sport, Beauty,

Detoxification, Aging, Dental.

· Emotional & Mental - NLP Individual, NLP Group, NLP family, Gestalt, Neuro net

stabilization, Emotional Growth, Unconscious reactivity, Electro hypnosis.

· Stress - Music, Biofeedback..

· Focused - Degeneration, Injury, Pain, Metabolic repair, Hormonal,

Neurological, Relaxation & Sleep, Digestive, Feel Good, Oxygenation, Muscle

building, Flexibility, Co-ordination, Immune Stim, Chronic fatigue, Anti

inflammation, Fibrositis, Intellect Stim, Physic abilities, stem Blood sugar,

Parasym'c NS, Sympathetic NS, Autonomic NS.

· Testing - Test samples including hair, saliva, urine, skin, semen.

Re: Danger exists for QXCI/SCIO practitioners

I agree that whoever uses the SCIO device should know things about human

anatomy, physiology and so on... besides the SCIO devise itself.

Could anyone suggest me some books which I could use to train myself in health

related fields?

What are the fields I should consider?

I've found some books, but they are really complex

(http://www.amazon.com/Anatomy-Physiology-Unity-Form-Function/dp/0073228044

<http://www.amazon.com/Anatomy-Physiology-Unity-Form-Function/dp/0073228044> ).

If anyone could suggest me some good but easier books, please let me know.

Best regards,

Vasile

> >

> > A very real danger exists for the future of QXCI/SCIO

> Therapists/practitioners because untrained people are buying

> QXCI/SCIO machines, believing that they do not need any academic

> knowledge of pathology or remedies because the QXCI/SCIO machine is

> capable of infallible information. Unlike the Allopathic/orthodox

> medical profession, any lay person has access to the QXCI/SCIO

> machines. Short seminars by the brokers are regulary attended by

> these lay people who then have ready access to such machines. This

> situation reflects adversely on well-trained therapists and

> practitioners who, due to their knowledge of anatomy, physiology and

> pathology and methods of treatment, have a reference point for any

> illness and remedy selection made by an instrument. In this setting,

> dangers from the subjective factor are minimised and an approach such

> as the QXCI/SCIO becomes a valuable addition to the other skills of

> the therapist/practitioner.

> >

> > Dr Renier du Toit

> >

>

May 9, 2007

Hi ,

SA College of Natural Medicine/Quantum Training Institute of SA.

Tel: 27 23 614 2672

Regards,

Renier

Re: Danger exists for QXCI/SCIO practitionersI agree that whoever uses the SCIO device should know things about human anatomy, physiology and so on... besides the SCIO devise itself.Could anyone suggest me some books which I could use to train myself in health related fields? What are the fields I should consider?I've found some books, but they are really complex (http://www.amazon.com/Anatomy-Physiology-Unity-Form-Function/dp/0073228044 <http://www.amazon.com/Anatomy-Physiology-Unity-Form-Function/dp/0073228044> ).If anyone could suggest me some good but easier books, please let me know.Best regards,Vasile> > > > > > > > A very real danger exists for the future of QXCI/SCIO > Therapists/practitioners because untrained people are buying > QXCI/SCIO machines, believing that they do not need any academic > knowledge of pathology or remedies because the QXCI/SCIO machine is > capable of infallible information. Unlike the Allopathic/orthodox > medical profession, any lay person has access to the QXCI/SCIO > machines. Short seminars by the brokers are regulary attended by > these lay people who then have ready access to such machines. This > situation reflects adversely on well-trained therapists and > practitioners who, due to their knowledge of anatomy, physiology and > pathology and methods of treatment, have a reference point for any > illness and remedy selection made by an instrument. In this setting, > dangers from the subjective factor are minimised and an approach such > as the QXCI/SCIO becomes a valuable addition to the other skills of > the therapist/practitioner.> > > > Dr Renier du Toit> >>

May 14, 2007

In these situations you may contact either or both the relevant broker with full details of the grievance. If yu dont advise with detail then it is not possible for action that will lift professionalism to take place.

Have you visited www.imune.net yet?

Dr Kelsey Imune- Vice Chancellor

info@...www.imune.netF: +44 870 460 1138T: +44 121 243 6318

RE: Danger exists for QXCI/SCIO practitioners

Hello, I've been reading the group's messages and was amazed to read this major concern over the usage of the SCIO. I purchased one almost a year ago, I guess my enthusiasm was more than my abilities. Although my intentions were not to become a practicioner, I wanted to first help my family and later others with it. However, like I've read, there is so much information, so much to learn that someone like myself becomes overwhelmed quickly, that discouragement sets in. So much that now I am actually considering trying to sell it. I truly believe in it and how it can help. Unfortunately, because it is sold for profit, after I bought it, I was left to my own without much support.

Cruz

" Dogris, Ph.D." <nicholasdogrisverizon (DOT) net> wrote:

Hi,

I’ve been using the QXCI/SCIO for about half a year in my practice and I have found it to be an amazing device. After reading this post I was reminded of the ongoing concern that I have about anyone being able to employ the use of the SCIO without proper training and education. For me the training was a waste of time that resulted in my walking away with a great deal of concern and anger towards the quantum alliance. If you have 20K and a pulse you can get a SCIO. There are no constraints on the user and no competency requirements. I have created a waiver in my practice stating that the device is experimental and that it has not been shown through consistent research to be reliable and valid. I have done this because of practitioners who have managed to screw up the creditability of this device. In my area I am the only SCIO practitioner and I have been very cautious about using this device with my patients. I have taken a great deal of time to train myself up on it use so that I can provide good services. As a result of this caution I have had good outcomes with some very difficult cases. Actually amazing results when I think about it. However, there was one of my clients who had seen a practitioner who did what was posted below. They disclosed the list of pathology and scared the hell out of the person. When this person came to me they asked for the list and I explained why they were not allowed to have it. The person was angered and relieved at the same time.

The need to challenge allopathic medicine is absolutely necessary in this day and age where big pharma rules as king and the alternative is not discussed in the MD’s office. However, in order to create creditability the powers that be who make decisions regarding the SCIO need to create a system that ensures ongoing competency of the SCIO user with some minimal requirements for being able to obtain the device. This will help to ensure a standard of use that will benefit us all. When I went to the training I completed all of the pre-training reading and lessons. Other than myself, maybe two or three others out of 17 did the same. Nothing was said about it and the class simply went on. That’s a problem.

Dogris, Ph.D.

Neuropsychologist

-----Original Message-----From: qxci-english [mailto:qxci-english ] On Behalf Of Raskin DCSent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 8:49 AMqxci-english Subject: Re: Danger exists for QXCI/SCIO practitioners

I agree aurelie.This is very frustrating. In my area people in need are writing off this device because they went to someone who was rather incompetent and didn't get results. Now they refuse to see anyone else with the device because of a bad first experience.I have recently had a patient in my office who was given a printout of all her 'diseases' by an operator of the device. She was in a panic. Noone should be receiving long printouts and being told that this is what is wrong with them.Another couple of people weren't even hooked up to the device even though they were sitting right there in the room. Their daughter finally convinced them to come see me.Thank goodness these three decided to give it another shot.Especially where I am, there is very INTENSE marketing of the device to just anyone. All we can do is hope that people in need reach people who are trained.aurelie <coachaurelie > wrote:

I studied these subjects for years BEFORE I bought the device, which is one reason I was interested in it. It combines many of my interests. I think doing it the other way around is a lot more difficult, because there is SO MUCH to learn. Even with a great deal of knowledge behind me I have more than enough to learn just about what the device can do, as well as much information in the matrix that I was not yet familiar with. This is a lifetime of learning, not quick fix for health. I am in disagreement in the sales pitch that I've heard that "every home should have one"--most people are not sophisticated enough to use it properly, and many people will not take the time to learn. I know people who have spent $20,000 to have them sitting unused. I totally agree we should be more than button pushers. Regarding licensing, certifications etc., I'm not sure what is the best way to handle that, but since it has become a concern the teaching available has become excellent. I especially like the programs given by Kathy , Gage Tarrant and Levi.Aurelie ce, PhD, CMT, CNHP, RSp, QBS727 232 0504Kathy <kathyqxsbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote:

Those of us who are trainers (and I wish I could say all) but at least the Masters/Advanced instructors, should be encouraging ALL students to get further education when operating this machine. Even Medical Doctors are encouraged to take classes in alternative health and the non medical practitioner should be studying not only anatomy, physiology and pathology but homeopathic, naturapathic studies in herbs, oils, back flower remedies, etc.

I agree with you this device by itself is NOT enough for anyone who owns it, but there are many out there who are advancing in their studies and should be not only rewarded for this but commended. The rest need to be encouraged.

Yours in Health,

Kathy , ND, IMUNE International Advanced Master InstructorDr Renier du Toit <natmedmweb (DOT) co.za> wrote:

A very real danger exists for the future of QXCI/SCIO Therapists/practitioners because untrained people are buying QXCI/SCIO machines, believing that they do not need any academic knowledge of pathology or remedies because the QXCI/SCIO machine is capable of infallible information. Unlike the Allopathic/orthodox medical profession, any lay person has access to the QXCI/SCIO machines. Short seminars by the brokers are regulary attended by these lay people who then have ready access to such machines. This situation reflects adversely on well-trained therapists and practitioners who, due to their knowledge of anatomy, physiology and pathology and methods of treatment, have a reference point for any illness and remedy selection made by an instrument. In this setting, dangers from the subjective factor are mini mised and an approach such as the QXCI/SCIO becomes a valuable addition to the other skills of the therapist/practitioner.

Dr Renier du Toit

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May 16, 2007

The more you know the better it gets. I think Levi's protocol is a good way to learn a broad swath in a short period of time. Remember there is always more than one indicater for anything you may suspect is an issue. We are putting puzzles together when we work with the QXCI. The more you know about nutrition, herbs, lifestyle modification and stress relief the more you can piece together a successful session. Kim Phelps MH CBT CBS

May 20, 2007

Greetings!

I am not an expert in telling other people how to operate their SCIO or what training they need to take. But, I do like the advise Dr. Gilbert gives. What he says is to:

1. use the harness for your clients in the beginning for your own peace of mind and that of your client.

2. believe what the SCIO tells you and run one of the first three programs that come up on the screen.

3. believe your own intuitive insights in choosing what program to run.

4. run that program until the results tell you that's the best you're going to get right now.

5. then run one or two more programs either from the original list or a list that you get now.

6. for best results, work with your client for fifty minutes or less (based on research done on the effectiveness of biofeedback training).

7. ask your client if you can send them healing energy for the next week and do remote sessions with them to both help them and help you learn more about your SCIO.

My suggestion is to go to http://NTCB.org/biofeedback/information/index.html and learn about how to use a professional code of ethics and informed consent form to protect your buttocks.

Blessings,

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May 1, 2008

i bought a QXCI machine as i was sooo imoressed with the one a relative of mine in another country purchased. i do not feel confident with my knowledge of it after training days and paying for one to one tuition , but to be fair, there is soo much to know i dont know if i ever would. with the result i am now seriously in debt and keeping my SCIO for my retirement years to play with! I am still impressed with it when i get time to use it, and i hope that will never wear off, but I do appreciate that there is not much more than expensive course after course and i am still working to pay off the original machine plus laptop and cannot afford all the courses.

Good luck to everyone that does make a go of it!

Nicki

qxci-english From: sarah.diggins@...Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 17:05:33 +0100Subject: Re: Danger exists for QXCI/SCIO practitioners

Me too! I feel abandoned and feel that my sale was agreed by someone who was very

aware of my cirmumstances very quickly but I have not been offered anything approaching

adequate after sales support that will enable me to use my SCIO As a result I have to

learn by doing and reading everyone's contributions in this fantastic newsgroup

- good but far from ideal.

RE: Danger exists for QXCI/SCIO practitioners

Hello, I've been reading the group's messages and was amazed to read this major concern over the usage of the SCIO. I purchased one almost a year ago, I guess my enthusiasm was more than my abilities. Although my intentions were not to become a practicioner, I wanted to first help my family and later others with it. However, like I've read, there is so much information, so much to learn that someone like myself becomes overwhelmed quickly, that discouragement sets in. So much that now I am actually considering trying to sell it. I truly believe in it and how it can help. Unfortunately, because it is sold for profit, after I bought it, I was left to my own without much support.

Cruz

" Dogris, Ph.D." <nicholasdogrisverizon (DOT) net> wrote:

Hi,

I’ve been using the QXCI/SCIO for about half a year in my practice and I have found it to be an amazing device. After reading this post I was reminded of the ongoing concern that I have about anyone being able to employ the use of the SCIO without proper training and education. For me the training was a waste of time that resulted in my walking away with a great deal of concern and anger towards the quantum alliance. If you have 20K and a pulse you can get a SCIO. There are no constraints on the user and no competency requirements. I have created a waiver in my practice stating that the device is experimental and that it has not been shown through consistent research to be reliable and valid. I have done this because of practitioners who have managed to screw up the creditability of this device. In my area I am the only SCIO practitioner and I have been very cautious about using this device with my patients. I have taken a great deal of time to train myself up on it use so that I can provide good services. As a result of this caution I have had good outcomes with some very difficult cases. Actually amazing results when I think about it. However, there was one of my clients who had seen a practitioner who did what was posted below. They disclosed the list of pathology and scared the hell out of the person. When this person came to me they asked for the list and I explained why they were not allowed to have it. The person was angered and relieved at the same time.

The need to challenge allopathic medicine is absolutely necessary in this day and age where big pharma rules as king and the alternative is not discussed in the MD’s office. However, in order to create creditability the powers that be who make decisions regarding the SCIO need to create a system that ensures ongoing competency of the SCIO user with some minimal requirements for being able to obtain the device. This will help to ensure a standard of use that will benefit us all. When I went to the training I completed all of the pre-training reading and lessons. Other than myself, maybe two or three others out of 17 did the same. Nothing was said about it and the class simply went on. That’s a problem.

Dogris, Ph.D.

Neuropsychologist

-----Original Message-----From: qxci-english [mailto:qxci-english ] On Behalf Of Raskin DCSent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 8:49 AMqxci-english Subject: Re: Danger exists for QXCI/SCIO practitioners

I agree aurelie.This is very frustrating. In my area people in need are writing off this device because they went to someone who was rather incompetent and didn't get results. Now they refuse to see anyone else with the device because of a bad first experience.I have recently had a patient in my office who was given a printout of all her 'diseases' by an operator of the device. She was in a panic. Noone should be receiving long printouts and being told that this is what is wrong with them.Another couple of people weren't even hooked up to the device even though they were sitting right there in the room. Their daughter finally convinced them to come see me.Thank goodness these three decided to give it another shot.Especially where I am, there is very INTENSE marketing of the device to just anyone. All we can do is hope that people in need reach people who are trained.aurelie <coachaurelie > wrote:

I studied these subjects for years BEFORE I bought the device, which is one reason I was interested in it. It combines many of my interests. I think doing it the other way around is a lot more difficult, because there is SO MUCH to learn. Even with a great deal of knowledge behind me I have more than enough to learn just about what the device can do, as well as much information in the matrix that I was not yet familiar with. This is a lifetime of learning, not quick fix for health. I am in disagreement in the sales pitch that I've heard that "every home should have one"--most people are not sophisticated enough to use it properly, and many people will not take the time to learn. I know people who have spent $20,000 to have them sitting unused. I totally agree we should be more than button pushers. Regarding licensing, certifications etc., I'm not sure what is the best way to handle that, but since it has become a concern the teaching available has become excellent. I especially like the programs given by Kathy , Gage Tarrant and Levi.Aurelie ce, PhD, CMT, CNHP, RSp, QBS727 232 0504Kathy <kathyqxsbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote:

Those of us who are trainers (and I wish I could say all) but at least the Masters/Advanced instructors, should be encouraging ALL students to get further education when operating this machine. Even Medical Doctors are encouraged to take classes in alternative health and the non medical practitioner should be studying not only anatomy, physiology and pathology but homeopathic, naturapathic studies in herbs, oils, back flower remedies, etc.

I agree with you this device by itself is NOT enough for anyone who owns it, but there are many out there who are advancing in their studies and should be not only rewarded for this but commended. The rest need to be encouraged.

Yours in Health,

Kathy , ND, IMUNE International Advanced Master InstructorDr Renier du Toit <natmedmweb (DOT) co.za> wrote:

A very real danger exists for the future of QXCI/SCIO Therapists/practitioners because untrained people are buying QXCI/SCIO machines, believing that they do not need any academic knowledge of pathology or remedies because the QXCI/SCIO machine is capable of infallible information. Unlike the Allopathic/orthodox medical profession, any lay person has access to the QXCI/SCIO machines. Short seminars by the brokers are regulary attended by these lay people who then have ready access to such machines. This situation reflects adversely on well-trained therapists and practitioners who, due to their knowledge of anatomy, physiology and pathology and methods of treatment, have a reference point for any illness and remedy selection made by an instrument. In this setting, dangers from the subjective factor are mini mised and an approach such as the QXCI/SCIO becomes a valuable addition to the other skills of the therapist/practitioner.

Dr Renier du Toit

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May 7, 2008

Hi Nicki,

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RE: Danger exists for QXCI/SCIO practitioners

Hello, I've been reading the group's messages and was amazed to read this major concern over the usage of the SCIO. I purchased one almost a year ago, I guess my enthusiasm was more than my abilities. Although my intentions were not to become a practicioner, I wanted to first help my family and later others with it. However, like I've read, there is so much information, so much to learn that someone like myself becomes overwhelmed quickly, that discouragement sets in. So much that now I am actually considering trying to sell it. I truly believe in it and how it can help. Unfortunately, because it is sold for profit, after I bought it, I was left to my own without much support.

Cruz

" Dogris, Ph.D." <nicholasdogrisverizon (DOT) net> wrote:

Hi,

I’ve been using the QXCI/SCIO for about half a year in my practice and I have found it to be an amazing device. After reading this post I was reminded of the ongoing concern that I have about anyone being able to employ the use of the SCIO without proper training and education. For me the training was a waste of time that resulted in my walking away with a great deal of concern and anger towards the quantum alliance. If you have 20K and a pulse you can get a SCIO. There are no constraints on the user and no competency requirements. I have created a waiver in my practice stating that the device is experimental and that it has not been shown through consistent research to be reliable and valid. I have done this because of practitioners who have managed to screw up the creditability of this device. In my area I am the only SCIO practitioner and I have been very cautious about using this device with my patients. I have taken a great deal of time to train myself up on it use so that I can provide good services. As a result of this caution I have had good outcomes with some very difficult cases. Actually amazing results when I think about it. However, there was one of my clients who had seen a practitioner who did what was posted below. They disclosed the list of pathology and scared the hell out of the person. When this person came to me they asked for the list and I explained why they were not allowed to have it. The person was angered and relieved at the same time.

The need to challenge allopathic medicine is absolutely necessary in this day and age where big pharma rules as king and the alternative is not discussed in the MD’s office. However, in order to create creditability the powers that be who make decisions regarding the SCIO need to create a system that ensures ongoing competency of the SCIO user with some minimal requirements for being able to obtain the device. This will help to ensure a standard of use that will benefit us all. When I went to the training I completed all of the pre-training reading and lessons. Other than myself, maybe two or three others out of 17 did the same. Nothing was said about it and the class simply went on. That’s a problem.

Dogris, Ph.D.

Neuropsychologist

-----Original Message-----From: qxci-english [mailto:qxci-english ] On Behalf Of Raskin DCSent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 8:49 AMqxci-english Subject: Re: Danger exists for QXCI/SCIO practitioners

I agree aurelie.This is very frustrating. In my area people in need are writing off this device because they went to someone who was rather incompetent and didn't get results. Now they refuse to see anyone else with the device because of a bad first experience.I have recently had a patient in my office who was given a printout of all her 'diseases' by an operator of the device. She was in a panic. Noone should be receiving long printouts and being told that this is what is wrong with them.Another couple of people weren't even hooked up to the device even though they were sitting right there in the room. Their daughter finally convinced them to come see me.Thank goodness these three decided to give it another shot.Especially where I am, there is very INTENSE marketing of the device to just anyone. All we can do is hope that people in need reach people who are trained.aurelie <coachaurelie > wrote:

I studied these subjects for years BEFORE I bought the device, which is one reason I was interested in it. It combines many of my interests. I think doing it the other way around is a lot more difficult, because there is SO MUCH to learn. Even with a great deal of knowledge behind me I have more than enough to learn just about what the device can do, as well as much information in the matrix that I was not yet familiar with. This is a lifetime of learning, not quick fix for health. I am in disagreement in the sales pitch that I've heard that "every home should have one"--most people are not sophisticated enough to use it properly, and many people will not take the time to learn. I know people who have spent $20,000 to have them sitting unused. I totally agree we should be more than button pushers. Regarding licensing, certifications etc., I'm not sure what is the best way to handle that, but since it has become a concern the teaching available has become excellent. I especially like the programs given by Kathy , Gage Tarrant and Levi.Aurelie ce, PhD, CMT, CNHP, RSp, QBS727 232 0504Kathy <kathyqxsbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote:

Those of us who are trainers (and I wish I could say all) but at least the Masters/Advanced instructors, should be encouraging ALL students to get further education when operating this machine. Even Medical Doctors are encouraged to take classes in alternative health and the non medical practitioner should be studying not only anatomy, physiology and pathology but homeopathic, naturapathic studies in herbs, oils, back flower remedies, etc.

I agree with you this device by itself is NOT enough for anyone who owns it, but there are many out there who are advancing in their studies and should be not only rewarded for this but commended. The rest need to be encouraged.

Yours in Health,

Kathy , ND, IMUNE International Advanced Master InstructorDr Renier du Toit <natmedmweb (DOT) co.za> wrote:

A very real danger exists for the future of QXCI/SCIO Therapists/practitioners because untrained people are buying QXCI/SCIO machines, believing that they do not need any academic knowledge of pathology or remedies because the QXCI/SCIO machine is capable of infallible information. Unlike the Allopathic/orthodox medical profession, any lay person has access to the QXCI/SCIO machines. Short seminars by the brokers are regulary attended by these lay people who then have ready access to such machines. This situation reflects adversely on well-trained therapists and practitioners who, due to their knowledge of anatomy, physiology and pathology and methods of treatment, have a reference point for any illness and remedy selection made by an instrument. In this setting, dangers from the subjective factor are mini mised and an approach such as the QXCI/SCIO becomes a valuable addition to the other skills of the therapist/practitioner.

Dr Renier du Toit

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May 7, 2008

Dear AllInitially when I started reading the emails relating to this thread I thought what a load of negative and moaning people. On further investigation I realized that perhaps the problem is that the people that are giving up and getting overwhelmed did and do not realize that this is not a press button and quick zap kind of treatment device. One needs to understand the technology and have the write kind of awareness education. Education on how to use the machine, Education on how the technology works, Awareness and consciousness training, Training about intent. After all this is a treatment device, so why complain about having to learn and having to go on seminars. Of course there are people selling this device that are not giving you the right information - so avoid these marketers that lure you with a box of goodies and neglect the most important part of the device THE KNOW HOW. You can not heal anyone until you learn to heal yourself and that means seeing through these impulse sales techniques.Best Regards Branco

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If you are not the intended recipient please notify us immediately.qxci-english From: nickihewitt@...Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 20:35:53 +0000Subject: RE: Danger exists for QXCI/SCIO practitioners

i bought a QXCI machine as i was sooo imoressed with the one a relative of mine in another country purchased. i do not feel confident with my knowledge of it after training days and paying for one to one tuition , but to be fair, there is soo much to know i dont know if i ever would. with the result i am now seriously in debt and keeping my SCIO for my retirement years to play with! I am still impressed with it when i get time to use it, and i hope that will never wear off, but I do appreciate that there is not much more than expensive course after course and i am still working to pay off the original machine plus laptop and cannot afford all the courses.

Good luck to everyone that does make a go of it!

Nicki

qxci-english From: sarah.digginsvirgin (DOT) netDate: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 17:05:33 +0100Subject: Re: Danger exists for QXCI/SCIO practitioners

Me too! I feel abandoned and feel that my sale was agreed by someone who was very

aware of my cirmumstances very quickly but I have not been offered anything approaching

adequate after sales support that will enable me to use my SCIO As a result I have to

learn by doing and reading everyone's contributions in this fantastic newsgroup

- good but far from ideal.

RE: Danger exists for QXCI/SCIO practitioners

Hello, I've been reading the group's messages and was amazed to read this major concern over the usage of the SCIO. I purchased one almost a year ago, I guess my enthusiasm was more than my abilities. Although my intentions were not to become a practicioner, I wanted to first help my family and later others with it. However, like I've read, there is so much information, so much to learn that someone like myself becomes overwhelmed quickly, that discouragement sets in. So much that now I am actually considering trying to sell it. I truly believe in it and how it can help. Unfortunately, because it is sold for profit, after I bought it, I was left to my own without much support.

Cruz

" Dogris, Ph.D." <nicholasdogrisverizon (DOT) net> wrote:

Hi,

I’ve been using the QXCI/SCIO for about half a year in my practice and I have found it to be an amazing device. After reading this post I was reminded of the ongoing concern that I have about anyone being able to employ the use of the SCIO without proper training and education. For me the training was a waste of time that resulted in my walking away with a great deal of concern and anger towards the quantum alliance. If you have 20K and a pulse you can get a SCIO. There are no constraints on the user and no competency requirements. I have created a waiver in my practice stating that the device is experimental and that it has not been shown through consistent research to be reliable and valid. I have done this because of practitioners who have managed to screw up the creditability of this device. In my area I am the only SCIO practitioner and I have been very cautious about using this device with my patients. I have taken a great deal of time to train myself up on it use so that I can provide good services. As a result of this caution I have had good outcomes with some very difficult cases. Actually amazing results when I think about it. However, there was one of my clients who had seen a practitioner who did what was posted below. They disclosed the list of pathology and scared the hell out of the person. When this person came to me they asked for the list and I explained why they were not allowed to have it. The person was angered and relieved at the same time.

The need to challenge allopathic medicine is absolutely necessary in this day and age where big pharma rules as king and the alternative is not discussed in the MD’s office. However, in order to create creditability the powers that be who make decisions regarding the SCIO need to create a system that ensures ongoing competency of the SCIO user with some minimal requirements for being able to obtain the device. This will help to ensure a standard of use that will benefit us all. When I went to the training I completed all of the pre-training reading and lessons. Other than myself, maybe two or three others out of 17 did the same. Nothing was said about it and the class simply went on. That’s a problem.

Dogris, Ph.D.

Neuropsychologist

-----Original Message-----From: qxci-english [mailto:qxci-english ] On Behalf Of Raskin DCSent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 8:49 AMqxci-english Subject: Re: Danger exists for QXCI/SCIO practitioners

I agree aurelie.This is very frustrating. In my area people in need are writing off this device because they went to someone who was rather incompetent and didn't get results. Now they refuse to see anyone else with the device because of a bad first experience.I have recently had a patient in my office who was given a printout of all her 'diseases' by an operator of the device. She was in a panic. Noone should be receiving long printouts and being told that this is what is wrong with them.Another couple of people weren't even hooked up to the device even though they were sitting right there in the room. Their daughter finally convinced them to come see me.Thank goodness these three decided to give it another shot.Especially where I am, there is very INTENSE marketing of the device to just anyone. All we can do is hope that people in need reach people who are trained.aurelie <coachaurelie > wrote:

I studied these subjects for years BEFORE I bought the device, which is one reason I was interested in it. It combines many of my interests. I think doing it the other way around is a lot more difficult, because there is SO MUCH to learn. Even with a great deal of knowledge behind me I have more than enough to learn just about what the device can do, as well as much information in the matrix that I was not yet familiar with. This is a lifetime of learning, not quick fix for health. I am in disagreement in the sales pitch that I've heard that "every home should have one"--most people are not sophisticated enough to use it properly, and many people will not take the time to learn. I know people who have spent $20,000 to have them sitting unused. I totally agree we should be more than button pushers. Regarding licensing, certifications etc., I'm not sure what is the best way to handle that, but since it has become a concern the teaching available has become excellent. I especially like the programs given by Kathy , Gage Tarrant and Levi.Aurelie ce, PhD, CMT, CNHP, RSp, QBS727 232 0504Kathy <kathyqxsbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote:

Those of us who are trainers (and I wish I could say all) but at least the Masters/Advanced instructors, should be encouraging ALL students to get further education when operating this machine. Even Medical Doctors are encouraged to take classes in alternative health and the non medical practitioner should be studying not only anatomy, physiology and pathology but homeopathic, naturapathic studies in herbs, oils, back flower remedies, etc.

I agree with you this device by itself is NOT enough for anyone who owns it, but there are many out there who are advancing in their studies and should be not only rewarded for this but commended. The rest need to be encouraged.

Yours in Health,

Kathy , ND, IMUNE International Advanced Master InstructorDr Renier du Toit <natmedmweb (DOT) co.za> wrote:

A very real danger exists for the future of QXCI/SCIO Therapists/practitioners because untrained people are buying QXCI/SCIO machines, believing that they do not need any academic knowledge of pathology or remedies because the QXCI/SCIO machine is capable of infallible information. Unlike the Allopathic/orthodox medical profession, any lay person has access to the QXCI/SCIO machines. Short seminars by the brokers are regulary attended by these lay people who then have ready access to such machines. This situation reflects adversely on well-trained therapists and practitioners who, due to their knowledge of anatomy, physiology and pathology and methods of treatment, have a reference point for any illness and remedy selection made by an instrument. In this setting, dangers from the subjective factor are mini mised and an approach such as the QXCI/SCIO becomes a valuable addition to the other skills of the therapist/practitioner.

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---- nicki hewitt <nickihewitt@...> wrote:

>

> i bought a QXCI machine as i was sooo imoressed with the one a relative of

mine in another country purchased. i do not feel confident with my knowledge of

it after training days and paying for one to one tuition , but to be fair, there

is soo much to know i dont know if i ever would. with the result i am now

seriously in debt and keeping my SCIO for my retirement years to play with! I am

still impressed with it when i get time to use it, and i hope that will never

wear off, but I do appreciate that there is not much more than expensive course

after course and i am still working to pay off the original machine plus laptop

and cannot afford all the courses.

> Good luck to everyone that does make a go of it!

> Nicki

>

> qxci-english@...: sarah.diggins@...: Mon, 23

Apr 2007 17:05:33 +0100Subject: Re: Danger exists for QXCI/SCIO

practitioners

>

> Me too! I feel abandoned and feel that my sale was agreed by someone who was

very

> aware of my cirmumstances very quickly but I have not been offered anything

approaching

> adequate after sales support that will enable me to use my SCIO As a result I

have to

> learn by doing and reading everyone's contributions in this fantastic

newsgroup

> - good but far from ideal.

>

> RE: Danger exists for QXCI/SCIO practitioners

>

> Hello, I've been reading the group's messages and was amazed to read this

major concern over the usage of the SCIO. I purchased one almost a year ago, I

guess my enthusiasm was more than my abilities. Although my intentions were not

to become a practicioner, I wanted to first help my family and later others with

it. However, like I've read, there is so much information, so much to learn

that someone like myself becomes overwhelmed quickly, that discouragement sets

in. So much that now I am actually considering trying to sell it. I truly

believe in it and how it can help. Unfortunately, because it is sold for

profit, after I bought it, I was left to my own without much support.

>

> Cruz

> " Dogris, Ph.D. " <nicholasdogris@...> wrote:

>

> Hi,

>

> Iâ€™ve been using the QXCI/SCIO for about half a year in my practice and I

have found it to be an amazing device. After reading this post I was reminded

of the ongoing concern that I have about anyone being able to employ the use of

the SCIO without proper training and education. For me the training was a waste

of time that resulted in my walking away with a great deal of concern and anger

towards the quantum alliance. If you have 20K and a pulse you can get a SCIO.

There are no constraints on the user and no competency requirements. I have

created a waiver in my practice stating that the device is experimental and that

it has not been shown through consistent research to be reliable and valid. I

have done this because of practitioners who have managed to screw up the

creditability of this device. In my area I am the only SCIO practitioner and I

have been very cautious about using this device with my patients. I have taken

a great deal of time to train myself up on it use so that I can provide good

services. As a result of this caution I have had good outcomes with some very

difficult cases. Actually amazing results when I think about it. However,

there was one of my clients who had seen a practitioner who did what was posted

below. They disclosed the list of pathology and scared the hell out of the

person. When this person came to me they asked for the list and I explained why

they were not allowed to have it. The person was angered and relieved at the

same time.

>

> The need to challenge allopathic medicine is absolutely necessary in this day

and age where big pharma rules as king and the alternative is not discussed in

the MDâ€™s office. However, in order to create creditability the powers that be

who make decisions regarding the SCIO need to create a system that ensures

ongoing competency of the SCIO user with some minimal requirements for being

able to obtain the device. This will help to ensure a standard of use that

will benefit us all. When I went to the training I completed all of the

pre-training reading and lessons. Other than myself, maybe two or three others

out of 17 did the same. Nothing was said about it and the class simply went on.

Thatâ€™s a problem.

>

> Dogris, Ph.D.

> Neuropsychologist

>

> -----Original Message-----From: qxci-english

[mailto:qxci-english ] On Behalf Of Raskin DCSent:

Wednesday, April 18, 2007 8:49 AMqxci-english@...: Re:

Danger exists for QXCI/SCIO practitioners

>

> I agree aurelie.This is very frustrating. In my area people in need are

writing off this device because they went to someone who was rather incompetent

and didn't get results. Now they refuse to see anyone else with the device

because of a bad first experience.I have recently had a patient in my office who

was given a printout of all her 'diseases' by an operator of the device. She

was in a panic. Noone should be receiving long printouts and being told that

this is what is wrong with them.Another couple of people weren't even hooked up

to the device even though they were sitting right there in the room. Their

daughter finally convinced them to come see me.Thank goodness these three

decided to give it another shot.Especially where I am, there is very INTENSE

marketing of the device to just anyone. All we can do is hope that people in

need reach people who are trained.aurelie <coachaurelie@...> wrote:

>

> I studied these subjects for years BEFORE I bought the device, which is one

reason I was interested in it. It combines many of my interests. I think doing

it the other way around is a lot more difficult, because there is SO MUCH to

learn. Even with a great deal of knowledge behind me I have more than enough to

learn just about what the device can do, as well as much information in the

matrix that I was not yet familiar with. This is a lifetime of learning, not

quick fix for health. I am in disagreement in the sales pitch that I've heard

that " every home should have one " --most people are not sophisticated enough to

use it properly, and many people will not take the time to learn. I know people

who have spent $20,000 to have them sitting unused. I totally agree we should

be more than button pushers. Regarding licensing, certifications etc., I'm not

sure what is the best way to handle that, but since it has become a concern the

teaching available has become excellent. I especially like the programs given

by Kathy , Gage Tarrant and Levi.Aurelie ce, PhD, CMT, CNHP, RSp,

QBS727 232 0504Kathy <kathyqx@...> wrote:

>

> Those of us who are trainers (and I wish I could say all) but at least the

Masters/Advanced instructors, should be encouraging ALL students to get further

education when operating this machine. Even Medical Doctors are encouraged to

take classes in alternative health and the non medical practitioner should be

studying not only anatomy, physiology and pathology but homeopathic,

naturapathic studies in herbs, oils, back flower remedies, etc.

>

> I agree with you this device by itself is NOT enough for anyone who owns it,

but there are many out there who are advancing in their studies and should be

not only rewarded for this but commended. The rest need to be encouraged.

>

> Yours in Health,

>

> Kathy , ND, IMUNE International Advanced Master InstructorDr Renier du

Toit <natmed@...> wrote:

>

> A very real danger exists for the future of QXCI/SCIO Therapists/practitioners

because untrained people are buying QXCI/SCIO machines, believing that they do

not need any academic knowledge of pathology or remedies because the QXCI/SCIO

machine is capable of infallible information. Unlike the Allopathic/orthodox

medical profession, any lay person has access to the QXCI/SCIO machines. Short

seminars by the brokers are regulary attended by these lay people who then have

ready access to such machines. This situation reflects adversely on well-trained

therapists and practitioners who, due to their knowledge of anatomy, physiology

and pathology and methods of treatment, have a reference point for any illness

and remedy selection made by an instrument. In this setting, dangers from the

subjective factor are mini mised and an approach such as the QXCI/SCIO becomes a

valuable addition to the other skills of the therapist/practitioner.

>

> Dr Renier du Toit

>

> Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell?Check out new cars at

Autos.

>

May 8, 2008

i too am very diappointed in the training that was why i was out there searching

for others who could share and help me. i am a visual learner so all of those

manuals that are on the scio i have printed out and have been reading them.

there is a simple manual on the opening screen and in the scio area there is an

advanced manual. then the stuff in the medical encyclopedia where there are

protocol to follow, not nearly enough for the 499.00 i paid for it. i did wat

they said to do before class and all that taught me to do was move around the

from frame to frame it did not teach me the reading of the results, how to

interpret the results and how i got the results. i want to understand the

device not just move around from screen to screen. i want to know how they come

up with the SOC and how it relates to getting other results. i dont want to be

just a button pusher. the person who sold me my device cant even answer my

questions. so i dig around til i find some kind of answer. like foci is the

plural of focus and these are the things we should concentrate on working on.

people in my class travel all over to these seminars and conventions is how they

learn what they know. but who has that kind of money. i would do b etter if

they gave me both sets of manuals beginnrs and intermediate/advanced and let me

experiment. I told them that they needed a manual to explain the manual. lots

of luck Margaret