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Sorry we missed each other.....

Dick

At 08:14 PM 11/25/04, you wrote:

dick I was there 10pm

my time or 8pm your time. so know I'm going to bed good night guy...Kathy

b.

Dick Southern <southern@...> wrote:

Anybody going to Chat?

Dick

Kathy Brunow

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Hi Dawn,

This is the reason why we need to get together

a chat night…. So we are all in the chat “room” at the same time.

It seems there is always only one in there – ourself!! I have met one person,

once there!

Soon…..maybe I’ll get on it!

chat

if you are signed into this group all I do is

click on chat on the

left, but I am the only name I see among chatters

for A. ??

DAWN FROM OH

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Hey Mike,

The Chat is a chat room. The quality

isn’t great, but it works. Go to the group web page. Click on

“chat” on the left hand of the page. It might take a minute

to load. It there is anyone else, besides you in the room, they will show

up on the right. Most times, it will only be you in the room! Lol

If you chat during the “chat times”, you should run into some

others! No voice, just typing!

in BC

Chat

I'm kinda confused. Is the online chat voice

only? I don't have

that capability on my PC.

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Hi Mike,

No chat can be either on. You have the choice to enable voice chat otherwise

type away.

We would love you have you.

JC

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Message: 8

Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:31:52 -0000

From: " Mike in WI " <dtfanx@...>

Subject: Chat

I'm kinda confused. Is the online chat voice only? I don't have

that capability on my PC.

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Sorry I missed chat tonight....4th shot no sides.....spending the

weekend in Sunny San Mateo. Liz, it is Hwy 92 and 101.

The tat is doing good,too.

I will check in when I can....

Dick

> CHAT11111

>

> Take care of yourself,

> Liz

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There are some of us there now

At 05:45 PM 3/10/05, you wrote:

yes!!!!!!!!! i dint miss

it!!!! count me in!! connie

Dick Southern <southern@...> wrote:

Come on by...we will be there at the hour.....15 mins from

now.....

Dick

At 05:43 PM 3/10/05, you wrote:

please please tell me i didnt miss it again

is it time NOW??

connie

Dick Southern <southern@...> wrote:

Nothing to it....you just have to know when to hold them and know

when to fold them and you know the rest...chat in an hour, and it doesn't

matter where you are.....One hour from now...be there......

Hepatitis CSupportGroupForDummies/

Dick

At 04:38 PM 3/10/05, you

wrote:

I'll see that 61 and fold and leave town... lol

I don't know how to play poker either... lol

Anya

RE: hey

I will see that 60 and raise you one year and I am all in!!

Dick

At 03:17 PM 3/10/05, you wrote:

I am the oldie in this

group.I was 60 in December.The rest of you are still young pups and lots

to look forward too. Gail

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i would love to join the chat room..i am usaully the only one there....

_blueeyescryin69@..._ (mailto:blueeyescryin69@...) screen name at

aol

or _charlottecardoso@..._ (mailto:charlottecardoso@...)

email me and i will logon too...

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My son just had to go to the doctors for his handwashing it was so bad they

were infected and now his pinky is scarred...no sooner would I put the cream

on he would wash it off...it was a vicious circle...he does the same with his

animals and all his stuff..in certain order and knows if you have touched

anything of his.....does use the bathroom at school, and so much more...

charlotte

now that he is not allowed to wash his hands he asks to take baths all the

time..

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karen

We have been having him use cream instead of washing his hands....so

everytime he has the urge to wash his hands we give him the cream..and I massage

it

in to clam him and get his mind off of it...it works sometimes..but not all

times..i think that is why he is asking to take baths all the time now..

charlotte

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Good question! I have been curious about this as well.

I have not seen anyone using chat room, but I am always open to making

friends, sharing, and supporting each other using chat. Is there anything

in particular you are looking for, or just a friend? You can email me, and

we can set up a time to do that. It would be great if some of the others

would join in as well. I also have messenger.

Amy

_____

From: kris10444 [mailto:kris10444@...]

Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 3:57 PM

Subject: chat

I was wondering how and when to chat with other parents in the

group ? Looking for a friend to talk to you about this.

Our list archives, bookmarks, files, and chat feature may be accessed at:

/ .

Our list advisors are Gail B. , Ed.D., Tamar Chansky, Ph.D.(

http://www.worrywisekids.org ), Dan Geller, M.D.,Aureen Pinto Wagner, Ph.D.,

( http://www.lighthouse-press.com ). Our list moderators are

Birkhan, Castle, Fowler, Kathy Hammes, Joye, Kathy

Mac, Gail Pesses, and Kathy . Subscription issues or

suggestions may be addressed to Louis Harkins, list owner, at

louisharkins@... , louisharkins@... , louisharkins@...

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hi, thanks for responding so quickly .... Actually i was just looking for a

friend to bounce back and forth ideas comments whatever. My daughter, her dad,

her aunt, and both paternal grandparents have ocd. I have always suspected my

daughter had this too. I quess I knew and just had some denial issues. She

is about to turn 14 and is having trouble at school(not academically) and her

ocd has now become overwhelmingly apparent. She is in therapy and has an

appointment with a psychiatrist in a couple of days. Dealing with this now has

become a daily struggle where as before it was just little things she had to do

or have her way. It seems now that she has more anxiety about every little

thing especially germs. More and more symptoms seem to be coming up including

abtrusive thoughts about harming herself or others. Even though she does not do

these thing it bothers her so and she feels such quilt over just the thoughts.

My id is kris10444. I will add if you request

and we could talk. Just email with a time and I'll sign in at that time.

Later in the evenings is good for me but I will do any time really. Thanks

again and it is nice to meet you.

Amy Kosinski <akosinski1@...> wrote:Good question! I have been

curious about this as well.

I have not seen anyone using chat room, but I am always open to making

friends, sharing, and supporting each other using chat. Is there anything

in particular you are looking for, or just a friend? You can email me, and

we can set up a time to do that. It would be great if some of the others

would join in as well. I also have messenger.

Amy

_____

From: kris10444 [mailto:kris10444@...]

Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 3:57 PM

Subject: chat

I was wondering how and when to chat with other parents in the

group ? Looking for a friend to talk to you about this.

Our list archives, bookmarks, files, and chat feature may be accessed at:

/ .

Our list advisors are Gail B. , Ed.D., Tamar Chansky, Ph.D.(

http://www.worrywisekids.org ), Dan Geller, M.D.,Aureen Pinto Wagner, Ph.D.,

( http://www.lighthouse-press.com ). Our list moderators are

Birkhan, Castle, Fowler, Kathy Hammes, Joye, Kathy

Mac, Gail Pesses, and Kathy . Subscription issues or

suggestions may be addressed to Louis Harkins, list owner, at

louisharkins@... , louisharkins@... , louisharkins@...

..

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,

Your very welcome! Any evening is fine, I am in Florida USA, where are you

residing? Is your daughter getting the CBT and ERP in therapy?

Amy

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From: kristen petrosky [mailto:kris10444@...]

Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 4:22 PM

Subject: RE: chat

hi, thanks for responding so quickly .... Actually i was just looking for a

friend to bounce back and forth ideas comments whatever. My daughter, her

dad, her aunt, and both paternal grandparents have ocd. I have always

suspected my daughter had this too. I quess I knew and just had some denial

issues. She is about to turn 14 and is having trouble at school(not

academically) and her ocd has now become overwhelmingly apparent. She is in

therapy and has an appointment with a psychiatrist in a couple of days.

Dealing with this now has become a daily struggle where as before it was

just little things she had to do or have her way. It seems now that she has

more anxiety about every little thing especially germs. More and more

symptoms seem to be coming up including abtrusive thoughts about harming

herself or others. Even though she does not do these thing it bothers her

so and she feels such quilt over ! just the thoughts. My id is

kris10444. I will add if you request

and we could talk. Just email with a time and I'll sign in at that time.

Later in the evenings is good for me but I will do any time really. Thanks

again and it is nice to meet you.

Amy Kosinski <akosinski1@...> wrote:Good question! I have been

curious about this as well.

I have not seen anyone using chat room, but I am always open to making

friends, sharing, and supporting each other using chat. Is there anything

in particular you are looking for, or just a friend? You can email me, and

we can set up a time to do that. It would be great if some of the others

would join in as well. I also have messenger.

Amy

_____

From: kris10444 [mailto:kris10444@...]

Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 3:57 PM

Subject: chat

I was wondering how and when to chat with other parents in the

group ? Looking for a friend to talk to you about this.

Our list archives, bookmarks, files, and chat feature may be accessed at:

/ .

Our list advisors are Gail B. , Ed.D., Tamar Chansky, Ph.D.(

http://www.worrywisekids.org ), Dan Geller, M.D.,Aureen Pinto Wagner, Ph.D.,

( http://www.lighthouse-press.com ). Our list moderators are

Birkhan, Castle, Fowler, Kathy Hammes, Joye, Kathy

Mac, Gail Pesses, and Kathy . Subscription issues or

suggestions may be addressed to Louis Harkins, list owner, at

louisharkins@... , louisharkins@... , louisharkins@...

..

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Just wondering...

An awful lot of our kids seem to be around age 14.

Am I correct? Is there some sort of correlation - hormone surges or social

stress or academic demands?

kimz

chat

I was wondering how and when to chat with other parents in the

group ? Looking for a friend to talk to you about this.

Our list archives, bookmarks, files, and chat feature may be accessed at:

/ .

Our list advisors are Gail B. , Ed.D., Tamar Chansky, Ph.D.(

http://www.worrywisekids.org ), Dan Geller, M.D.,Aureen Pinto Wagner, Ph.D.,

( http://www.lighthouse-press.com ). Our list moderators are

Birkhan, Castle, Fowler, Kathy Hammes, Joye, Kathy

Mac, Gail Pesses, and Kathy . Subscription issues or

suggestions may be addressed to Louis Harkins, list owner, at

louisharkins@... , louisharkins@... , louisharkins@...

.

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My son, just turned 14, was just quirky until late 13 - he remembers

evening out things, lining things up, rituals with his stuffed

animals so they wouldn't get jealous, angry, and violent....all sorts

of little things that I mostly never knew about.

but, at late 13, coinciding with his first big growth spurt, a faint

moustache, and a slight voice change - it has intensified - noone

should have to wash their hands that many times a day -

Good question! I have been

curious about this as well.

> I have not seen anyone using chat room, but I am always open to

making

> friends, sharing, and supporting each other using chat. Is

there anything

> in particular you are looking for, or just a friend? You can

email me, and

> we can set up a time to do that. It would be great if some of

the others

> would join in as well. I also have messenger.

>

> Amy

>

> _____

>

> From: kris10444 [mailto:kris10444@y...]

> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 3:57 PM

>

> Subject: chat

>

>

>

> I was wondering how and when to chat with other parents in the

> group ? Looking for a friend to talk to you about this.

>

>

>

>

>

> Our list archives, bookmarks, files, and chat feature may be

accessed at:

> / .

> Our list advisors are Gail B. , Ed.D., Tamar Chansky, Ph.D.(

> http://www.worrywisekids.org ), Dan Geller, M.D.,Aureen Pinto

Wagner, Ph.D.,

> ( http://www.lighthouse-press.com ). Our list moderators are

> Birkhan, Castle, Fowler, Kathy Hammes, Joye,

Kathy

> Mac, Gail Pesses, and Kathy . Subscription issues

or

> suggestions may be addressed to Louis Harkins, list owner, at

> louisharkins@y... , louisharkins@h... , louisharkins@g...

> .

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Charlotte,

What do you mean by 'not allowed to wash his hands'? There must be

more to it than that (we all wish it were that simple, don't we?)

I made an appointment today with a pediatric dermatologist associated

with our Children's Hospital - My son's skin is just starting to go

through puberty and I'm a little concerned about him deciding one day

that it's 'dirty' - or him starting to pick at his skin.

My plan is to start seeing this dermatologist a couple times a year,

find something Cody is willing to put on his skin - or use to wash

his skin - and be able to not let the breakouts get too bad and to

set up a repoire with this doctor.

At Children's they're used to working with kids with problems - so, I

think Cody has a good chance of getting through this.

Cody also has an appointment with the dentist clinic at Children's

since sharp objects are to be avoided at all costs (can you imagine

general anesthesia for a cavity? I'm hoping they have another

solution besides that.).

> My son just had to go to the doctors for his handwashing it was so

bad they

> were infected and now his pinky is scarred...no sooner would I put

the cream

> on he would wash it off...it was a vicious circle...he does the

same with his

> animals and all his stuff..in certain order and knows if you have

touched

> anything of his.....does use the bathroom at school, and so much

more...

> charlotte

> now that he is not allowed to wash his hands he asks to take baths

all the

> time..

>

>

>

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My daughter is 11, her doctor told us that most kids are usually diagnosed

during the onset of puberty. We have had several diagnoses over the years

and he has told us that he was going to give it a group name as she was

having several individual diagnosis and she is meeting the criteria for

several others. He explained whatever it was that she would end up with

would not be known until she matured past the puberty stage. That is not

always the most comforting news for a mom..but we will deal with it. He is

calling it pervasive personality mood disorder...her in writing dx up to

this point have been SAD, GAD, OCD and depression.

She has not had the hand washing but she has had the " just right " stuff,

fixes the cards in the stores, pictures on walls, erases excessively, has in

the past checked locks on doors and windows, cleans her fingernails for

hours (getting much better).

Looking forward to the chat later.

Amy

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From: klwicklund77 [mailto:k777thorpe@...]

Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 4:56 PM

Subject: Re: chat

My son, just turned 14, was just quirky until late 13 - he remembers

evening out things, lining things up, rituals with his stuffed

animals so they wouldn't get jealous, angry, and violent....all sorts

of little things that I mostly never knew about.

but, at late 13, coinciding with his first big growth spurt, a faint

moustache, and a slight voice change - it has intensified - noone

should have to wash their hands that many times a day -

Good question! I have been

curious about this as well.

> I have not seen anyone using chat room, but I am always open to

making

> friends, sharing, and supporting each other using chat. Is

there anything

> in particular you are looking for, or just a friend? You can

email me, and

> we can set up a time to do that. It would be great if some of

the others

> would join in as well. I also have messenger.

>

> Amy

>

> _____

>

> From: kris10444 [mailto:kris10444@y...]

> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 3:57 PM

>

> Subject: chat

>

>

>

> I was wondering how and when to chat with other parents in the

> group ? Looking for a friend to talk to you about this.

>

>

>

>

>

> Our list archives, bookmarks, files, and chat feature may be

accessed at:

> / .

> Our list advisors are Gail B. , Ed.D., Tamar Chansky, Ph.D.(

> http://www.worrywisekids.org ), Dan Geller, M.D.,Aureen Pinto

Wagner, Ph.D.,

> ( http://www.lighthouse-press.com ). Our list moderators are

> Birkhan, Castle, Fowler, Kathy Hammes, Joye,

Kathy

> Mac, Gail Pesses, and Kathy . Subscription issues

or

> suggestions may be addressed to Louis Harkins, list owner, at

> louisharkins@y... , louisharkins@h... , louisharkins@g...

> .

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Kimz,

my understanding is that the teenage years tend to intensify it while

also make it harder to cope with - then in adulthood it can calm down

and become easier to live with from an adult perspective. [this

reminds me of a comic who was talking about how our first interest in

boys/girls occurs at an age when mother nature has made us the most

unattractive we will ever be :)]

I'm looking forward to watching those just entering their twenties

who had the medications and cbt/erp available to them - I'm hoping

that theirs will be the generation of huge success!

> Amy:

> Re -end up with

> would not be known until she matured past the puberty stage.

> -----

> Does she mean that it could disappear after puberty - It would be

nice if she had some indication that it's just a stress-

induced 'blip' or something. Or maybe there are stats that show

puberty onset means long-term? Did she hint that it was a passing

stage?

> kimz

>

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Amy:

Re -end up with

would not be known until she matured past the puberty stage.

-----

Does she mean that it could disappear after puberty - It would be nice if she

had some indication that it's just a stress-induced 'blip' or something. Or

maybe there are stats that show puberty onset means long-term? Did she hint that

it was a passing stage?

kimz

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The impression that was given was the earlier the onset the greater the

chances were for being more severe and having multiple cross categories for

diagnoses. Oh how I wish it would disappear we have been in it for most of

her life...showing symptoms of separation problems and sensory issues since

she was nine months old. I was so overwhelmed I started my research into

this area and I am learning that it is more likely that earlier onset is

connected to heredity and predisposition and harder to treat verses the

puberty onset and PANDAS. I have only found this in a few references in the

library and no information on the internet....still searching. I am also

researching family history, behaviors and illnesses to build a clearer

picture. not sure what good it will do me..but it may help future

generations in the long run. My dd's doctor is very conservative and does

not rush to any diagnosis unless he is backed into a corner so to

speak.....but he does not minimize things either.

the long term portion, I can only answer this from our daughters stand point

and we are in this for the long haul. he told us she will have to deal with

portions all of her life and our goal is to teach her how to live with it

not just treat it. He is leaning towards the personality/mood disorders in

addition to the anxiety disorders.

I can get in more depth in an email if you are curious about this

complicated issue.

Amy

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From: Kim Zarzour [mailto:k.zarzour@...]

Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 5:41 PM

Subject: Re: Re: chat

Amy:

Re -end up with

would not be known until she matured past the puberty stage.

-----

Does she mean that it could disappear after puberty - It would be nice if

she had some indication that it's just a stress-induced 'blip' or something.

Or maybe there are stats that show puberty onset means long-term? Did she

hint that it was a passing stage?

kimz

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That's helpful Amy, thanks.

I take a bit of hope from this.

kimz

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Amy:

Re -end up with

would not be known until she matured past the puberty stage.

-----

Does she mean that it could disappear after puberty - It would be nice if

she had some indication that it's just a stress-induced 'blip' or something.

Or maybe there are stats that show puberty onset means long-term? Did she

hint that it was a passing stage?

kimz

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Ok I accepted you on my and maybe I can chat later. I just bought a

workbook on CBT and Im not sure what erp is. I was waiting to see the

Psychiatrist and see what he says. Our therapist now is ok soso. I am also in

Florida USA. HAHA coincidence.... anyway above Tampa. Talk to you soon.

Amy Kosinski <akosinski1@...> wrote:,

Your very welcome! Any evening is fine, I am in Florida USA, where are you

residing? Is your daughter getting the CBT and ERP in therapy?

Amy

_____

From: kristen petrosky [mailto:kris10444@...]

Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 4:22 PM

Subject: RE: chat

hi, thanks for responding so quickly .... Actually i was just looking for a

friend to bounce back and forth ideas comments whatever. My daughter, her

dad, her aunt, and both paternal grandparents have ocd. I have always

suspected my daughter had this too. I quess I knew and just had some denial

issues. She is about to turn 14 and is having trouble at school(not

academically) and her ocd has now become overwhelmingly apparent. She is in

therapy and has an appointment with a psychiatrist in a couple of days.

Dealing with this now has become a daily struggle where as before it was

just little things she had to do or have her way. It seems now that she has

more anxiety about every little thing especially germs. More and more

symptoms seem to be coming up including abtrusive thoughts about harming

herself or others. Even though she does not do these thing it bothers her

so and she feels such quilt over ! just the thoughts. My id is

kris10444. I will add if you request

and we could talk. Just email with a time and I'll sign in at that time.

Later in the evenings is good for me but I will do any time really. Thanks

again and it is nice to meet you.

Amy Kosinski <akosinski1@...> wrote:Good question! I have been

curious about this as well.

I have not seen anyone using chat room, but I am always open to making

friends, sharing, and supporting each other using chat. Is there anything

in particular you are looking for, or just a friend? You can email me, and

we can set up a time to do that. It would be great if some of the others

would join in as well. I also have messenger.

Amy

_____

From: kris10444 [mailto:kris10444@...]

Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 3:57 PM

Subject: chat

I was wondering how and when to chat with other parents in the

group ? Looking for a friend to talk to you about this.

Our list archives, bookmarks, files, and chat feature may be accessed at:

/ .

Our list advisors are Gail B. , Ed.D., Tamar Chansky, Ph.D.(

http://www.worrywisekids.org ), Dan Geller, M.D.,Aureen Pinto Wagner, Ph.D.,

( http://www.lighthouse-press.com ). Our list moderators are

Birkhan, Castle, Fowler, Kathy Hammes, Joye, Kathy

Mac, Gail Pesses, and Kathy . Subscription issues or

suggestions may be addressed to Louis Harkins, list owner, at

louisharkins@... , louisharkins@... , louisharkins@...

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My daughter started having problems just before her 9th birthday, so I don't

THINK it was hormonal. She's not showing any other major signs of hormone stuff.

P. in NJ

Kim Zarzour <k.zarzour@...> wrote:

Just wondering...

An awful lot of our kids seem to be around age 14.

Am I correct? Is there some sort of correlation - hormone surges or social

stress or academic demands?

kimz

chat

I was wondering how and when to chat with other parents in the

group ? Looking for a friend to talk to you about this.

Our list archives, bookmarks, files, and chat feature may be accessed at:

/ .

Our list advisors are Gail B. , Ed.D., Tamar Chansky, Ph.D.(

http://www.worrywisekids.org ), Dan Geller, M.D.,Aureen Pinto Wagner, Ph.D.,

( http://www.lighthouse-press.com ). Our list moderators are

Birkhan, Castle, Fowler, Kathy Hammes, Joye, Kathy

Mac, Gail Pesses, and Kathy . Subscription issues or

suggestions may be addressed to Louis Harkins, list owner, at

louisharkins@... , louisharkins@... , louisharkins@...

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Hi, I have never been part of a chat group before. I do not know the

guidelines. I hope I am not stepping on any toes, please tell me if

I am. I wanted to respond to you because I was reading that most

kids are diognosed at puberty. I have a five year old son we have

been told has OCD. This is from a LMFC. He has contamination issues

and from what I can get out of him thoughts of being harmed. He will

only wear one outfit (I am having trouble getting him to put on

PJs.) Many nights he wears the clothes to bed and I insist he change

his underwear the next day. He claims they protect him from germs

and cougars. This behavior started when he was about 3.5 or 4

years. Little kids get particular and this is what we always thought

this was. He then began to wash his hands a lot. He also began to

wear gloves outside to play so he wouldn't have to touch things

outside. He is a very sensative person and very caring, but he can

have very explosive tantrums over his compulsions and obsessions. We

are doing behavior therapy with him under the guidance of the

therapist. He is aware that his brain " tricks " him. He doesn't know

why he does what he does. Have you heard of this in kids this

young? After living like this, I know this is not normal for a five

year old. I am really surprised as he is so young. We are doing as

much research as possible. THanks for listening. Again, please let

me know if I have just stepped on anyones toes replying to the

message. Callie Happe

Good question! I have

been

> curious about this as well.

> > I have not seen anyone using chat room, but I am always open to

> making

> > friends, sharing, and supporting each other using chat. Is

> there anything

> > in particular you are looking for, or just a friend? You can

> email me, and

> > we can set up a time to do that. It would be great if some of

> the others

> > would join in as well. I also have messenger.

> >

> > Amy

> >

> > _____

> >

> > From: kris10444 [mailto:kris10444@y...]

> > Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 3:57 PM

> >

> > Subject: chat

> >

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